Over at Blackfive last night, Uncle Jimbo caught al-Okaili attempting to use this narrative once too often as captured on Yahoo!’s photostream:
The woman in the photo—Uncle Jimbo notes that she looks like the same woman—makes a very similar claim, holding up bullets that she claims hit her house.
And they very well may have hit her house, if the were tossed or kicked in that direction, but it is quite obvious that bullets still in their cartridge casings have never been fired by a gun.
More on “Magic Bullet Lady.
More – reader “Skip” sends this photo. “The included picture will provide for readers a reference of the common military cartridges. Brown case is AK-47 round, the .223 is what the good guys use, and the .308 is what some of the good guys use for short range sniping.”
we should consider that it could be something as simple as an error with the translation.
Hey, Fatima didn’t caption the photo, she doesn’t work at the news desk, AFP editors do. A translation error doesn’t take stupid out of the equation.
What’s at issue here is the integrity of the media. You don’t seem to get that. But, then, I don’t think that’s relevant to you.
My only hope is that all of these Iraqis didn’t die for nothing
And before Saddam’s demise they were dying for SOMETHING? I don’t think the Kurds and Shiia would agree. As we speak, Iraqis have been dying WITH Americans against a common terrorist enemy. Think you can hold that thought, “with” being the operative word.
If that’s too much for you, default back to the CBC for guidance on how to think.
SeeBeeSee
The right goes into a tizzy over the littlest mistake in the media
The “mistakes” are constant, always in one direction & compound the persistent bias shown by the media. They have to be highlighted because they are quite irrefutable whereas the general charge of bias requires more concentration than liberals can muster.
Bush lied That’s a lie as you cannot know that for sure.
It’s pretty obvious that a major shitstorm went down in Iraq..
Well the defeat of Saddam was actually pretty painless. The insurgency is the problem. Now, the opposition to the war by people like you and your favourite power countries with business interests in Iraq, caused the following:
– delayed the war and gave Saddam time to set up the insurgency and hide any WMD he may have had.
– changed the original attack plan for the war that would have reduced the potential for insurgency.
– encouraged local and foreign actors to resist democracy in the hope of gaining power in the knowledge that US will would be worn out before their’s.
To whatever extent Iraq is a mess, those who encouraged opposition once it was clear the US was going anyway, share the blame.
Time for a CSI: MSM
Even if they haven’t been spent – these shells could take out an eye.
You’d think that someone would figure out it cheaper to throw rocks than shells … would also have a more predictable trajectory.
What we really need — as this article makes abundantly clear — is a Bullet Registry.
there are two parts to a round, the bullet and the casing. So the firing pin hits the casing, the bullet and casing separte …those bullet’s are holding hit your house you say?
“The “mistakes” are constant, always in one direction & compound the persistent bias shown by the media”
I guess you’ve never been to Media Matters, which documents scores of the rightwing bias every single day.
“That’s a lie as you cannot know that for sure.”
Well gee… the White House sure went out of it’s way to hide all of the evidence that countered their charges. Hell… they even outed a CIA agent just to attack her husband who called them out on their fabrication.
As for other Bush lies… go here:
http://www.bushlies.net/
And dude… to blame the fuckuppery that has gone on since the war began on those who opposed it is absolutely insane. It demonstrates that you and other conservatives are so pathetic that you can’t even accept that you’ve made mistakes.
It indicates that you none of you have any business running governments. Hell… I wouldn’t trust you to run down to the supermarket, and not fuck it up.
First of all, Bush blew it by invading. Period.
BUT… if he was going to invade and occupy under false pretenses, the least the idiot could have done was to do it right.
A) They lacked the troops to control the country
B) The torture scandal fucked them completely. This was pure incompetence.
C) They handed the economy over to a 24 year old who was a faithful GOP operative. Fucking incredible that one was. No wonder it failed.
D) They basically turned the rebuilding of Iraq over the the blessed “free market”. The lack of oversight has lead to fraud on a scale never before seen in human history, AND a failing infrastructure.
E) They dumped the army, thereby turning many of the former soldiers loose as the insurgency.
F) They fired many Baathist administrators who should have been kept on, if only because they knew what the fuck they were doing.
Stop blaming the failure on anybody else but Bush. He had full control of the Congress, the Senate, the judiciary and the White House. There is nobody to blame but himself… oh… and actually all those who support him.
The Buck stops right the fuck here. Choke on it.
Skip, nice picture!
For SeeBeeSee and the rest of you uneducated Liberal types,
A)those are not standard NATO hardball rounds as far as I can see. Closest I can think of would be 5.45 x39 Russian-style shorty rounds for a Krinkov. Check out the neck on that case, that’s a pretty big step.
How do I know? Google, dudes. Look it up.
B)One of the big problems soldiers are having down there is the concrete-like construction of the houses. 5.56 NATO from the M16 can’t penetrate the walls, 7.62 NATO from the squad level machine guns does a bit better but you have to put a bunch of rounds on the same spot to get through. When they want to reach out and whack somebody they call for a .50 caliber machine gun or a sniper with a Barrett.
//www.barrettrifles.com/
Or a tank.
C) those are unfired. You can tell because of the big brass thing attached to the back of the teeny little bullet.
Bottom line, if Magic Bullet Lady was living in a standard issue house, even had those cartridges been fired those bullets were not going to make it into her mattress except through a window.
Now get out there and take some shooting lessons.
Thank you for your kind words Penny.
Richard, don’t say that. They nearly had one in California before Ahhhnold became King down there. They were going to laser cut a number onto every single friggin’ bullet AND casing, I kid you not.
Lucky it all came to a well deserved end when some accountant figured out what it would cost to track all that.
I’m thinking they’re both 5.56 Nato (.223). When I was scanning the three above, you could hold the 223 at an angle that gave it the same big shouldered look.
(Disclosure for gun grabbers and leftards: The presence of a cartridge labeled “AK-47” isn’t evidence of possession of “terrorist” weapons by civvies – the 7.62×39 is used by several non-restricted firearms in Canada. Anyways, terrorist weapons are strap-on bombs and mainstream media, and the apparently incestuously related, brainwashed leftards).
Skip’ you sure that doesn’t looked like a necked down 7.62×39 Russian? The newer ammo isn’t all that Soviet era copper-washed steel crap, they switched to brass for the 5.45 stuff I heard. (Could be wrong, I haven’t been keeping up. Can’t get Guns ‘N Ammo at Chapters, y’know.)
I have heard of cases where journalists had gang members pose with guns just for a dramatic photo this is yellow journalism
I think the bullets, complete with cartridges, came from the U of T gun club, the one the leftards closed down. Wasn’t Fatima seen on campus?
These rounds both appear to be .223/5.56mm, the same as used in the M16/C7 and the M249/C9, but they ALSO appear to be 55-grain M193 ball rounds, which aren’t issued to NATO forces anymore; current-issue ammo is the M855 or SS109-equivalent semi-AP round, which have a longer ogive and stick further out of the case (and are usually marked with a green tip). Regardless, these couldn’t have been “fired” at her house.
Maybe they were having a pitched battle, pitching/tossing bullets at houses.
Has it come down to this, our network can’t afford photographers so they dig up an old picture to fit the tale they’re reporting?
SDC, aren’t tungsten penetrators the ones with the green tip? Red for tracer, green for penetrator, plain for ball?
Possible gap in my gourd there?
No, the green tip was just an identifier for “semi-AP”, as the steel forward core in the bullet is just mild steel; the design for the M855 was taken from the Belgian SS109 round, and NATO has now moved over to that round entirely, because it has better penetration (the US calls their version “M855”, Canada calls their version “C77”, and so on). The round the US was using BEFORE the M855 was the 55-grain M193 ball, which is what the woman in the photo appears to be holding. These are still plentiful and readily available from commercial sources. The identifier for 5.56mm tracers IS a red tip, and the current US designation for those is “M856”.
Thanks, that clears things up. Don’t want to mix up the identifiers, that could lead to an owwie.
These cartridges look like hunting rounds with over capacity cases. The photo is not that clear, but the bullet tips are silver and not sharp pointed. The shoulder of the case looks to have too sharp of an angle for a military round and the bullet diameter seems about 2 1/2 times smaller than the case. The case walls are too straight; there is not the usual more pronounced (conical) taper found in military rounds. There would likely be feeding and stuck case problems if this ammo was used in an automatic rifle.
Just an opinion on what I see.
maybe they cant afford guns and have taken the palestinian rock throwing to a new level, throwing cartridges.
They don’t look like 5.56 NATO to me. Case is too thick, and the shoulder angle is too steep. However, they do look an awful lot like the 6.8 SPC round I’m holding in my hand right now. It’s generally a hunting round, but is occassionally used by some military units, predominantly SpecOps.
Regardless, they would still need to actually have been fired at some point to have had some relationship to the original caption.
Unless someone threw them real hard … 😉
As usual the leftards are completely incapable of seeing the POINT…..the story is bogus … the picture is faked ….. and the MSM tools run with it like nothing is out of the ordinary.
Acceptance of things like this is the evidence of your mental deficiency. Defending things like this is why you are mocked!
Also goes a long way to explaining why your politics lean the way they do …. stupid is as stupid does.