He didn’t say that. He couldn’t have. Nobody could be that stupid. Not even Jack Layton is that stupid.
h/t
(Oh, and in case you were wondering – I really don’t care what Afghans do with Taliban prisoners, and I suspect I hold the majority opinion on that subject.)
Agree tomax7..and hey,why can’t we stick a few on Hans Island (sorry Hans,it’s a good cause).That way the Danes can’t argue about it!
And following the reasoning of the trolls,then Cho was just a combatant in the war against America,under their version of the Convention. Makes sense to me.
Some people from the human rights industry are suggesting Canada should build some sort of holding facility in Afstan. This would be a monumental mistake.
The leftards would immediately dub it “Gitmo North”. Twice a week there would be giant screaming stories in the Globe and Mail/CBC/Torstar about how Mohammed’s prayer mat was too small or how Abdul detected some bacon grease in his breakfast, or how so and so wasn’t getting full access to Eddie Greenspan. It would be a complete gong show.
Just say no Mr. Harper.
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/War_Terror/2007/03/08/3715494-ap.html
http://www.hrw.org/press/2002/11/afghan1114.htm
By all means, torture anyone who disagrees.
Show them (your own twisted vision of) Canadian values.
If no one from various agencies can get in to see these prisoners, how did the globe get the interviews. Are they hiding in canada as refugees. If they can get in to talk why can’t others. When all taliban fighters and anyone else planning bad things, the first thing they are told is, if captured, cry torture. If these guys are/were tortured, why don’t we see any scars. Same with Arar, but our softies in the media believe the terrorists, and not the government or the military. Why do the libs/ndp/greens/democrats want the west to lose.
They only good thing about losing is that all those supporters of the terrorists would be the first ones killed when they take over.
Great idea DH. If Kate could post her comments with the commentators ID posted first it would save us all a lot of time. I gave up trying to reason with the trolls a long time ago. With this latest bunch Alby, Ibby, Teddy, and Thwappy, its abundantly clear that they are well indoctrinated, brainwashed Liberals who will never ever be capable of producing an original thought by themselves. The pity of it all is that these people make up approximately 30% of the Canadian population.
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Maybe the Fiberals could make a special deal with Doug Henning and the
Natural Law Party…. so that we can all levitate to work, thus really
reducing Canada’s carbon emissions.
It’s at least as jaw-dropping amazing as his latest brainwave here.
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What are you thugs complaining about? You could all get jobs running the Canadian version of Gitmo and go all Kate McMillan (think Lindy England, only with worse hair) on their asses.
Then you’d all be putting your sadistic rage to productive use, finally.
albatros39a
Maybe you should go back and read the Geneva Convention. Remember what the Americans did to those Germans that were wearing American MP uniforms during the battle of Bastogne in the second WW. Upon capture they were tied to a post and shot and they were in their right to do so under the rules of the convention. Also it is under the direction of NATO that these Taliban are handed over to the Afghans. Any combatant wearing the opposite sides militatary uniform or wearing civilian clothing conducting combat operations can be summarily executed under the convention.
Last time I checked they were a sovereign country….so if we arent supposed to make waves about Chinese offenses of Human Rights why do we care abut AFghan offenses…..oh yeah right, enemy of my enemy
correct me if i’m wrong but was it not the liberal government that signed the agreement to turn terrorists over to the afghan authorites?
Taliban on the streets. Our streets. the Taliban.
Do I also smell albatros39a in the morning. Ah the sweet smell of defeat.
Re: M. Dion’s suggestion we bring captured Islamo-fascists to Canada.
Does anyone have that hilarious parody where some useful idiot gets a letter from the government informing him that, in response to all the concern he has been expressing, he has been called upon to billet an Islamo-fascist in his home?
Picture Dion on the porch of Stornaway in his bathrobe, Kyoto running around on the lawn barking, door open behind him, staring at the open letter in his hand.
Thwap, 9:43 am,
Harper on the job. Doing the right thing as usual.
Thank heaven for that.
Standing offer to Dion; designate your chosen site in Afghanistan and we*ll send Tally-prisoners there, otherwise think again or shut up.
Nutbar leftiods..= TG
Imagine the headlines. . .
Taliban prisoner escapes prison bus, destroys 10 Billion$ Irving refinery. = TG
Every once and a while Kate seriously disturbs the moonbats. They come out from their nests hurling insults, flying blindly into walls, bumping into each other in a desperate attempt to find rational reason. But, alas, despite all the flittering about, once again they succumb to irrational feelings.
This is one of those times. And all any reasonable person can do is sit back and wonder.
Typical Leftist pattern emerges again.
Liberals identify with and instinctually want to protect criminals in a conscious attempt to create a culture whose goal is to avoid personal responsibility at all costs.
Conservatives empathize and instinctually want to protect the victim of crime and demand the perpetrator be held responsible.
If the leftist would spend even a tiny fraction of the energy the spend coddling the criminals on actually protecting victims and forcing accountability they could earn a smidgen of respect from those outside the criminal element.
Leftist pattern: against torture and war.
All the liberal mps who are leaving the sinking ship could head up the construction of gitmo north. BS could be given the overseers job. After the next election the rest of the fired lib mps, including maybe dion, and May, could go offer their help. Scott better stay home, his kind are not to welcome in that area.
the liberals need votes…
Someone mail that Jack his bat wings….barking moonbat first class.
I hope they stay at Jack’s place and eat up all his hummus.
Is there a full moon tonight?
Kate said…”I really don’t care what Afghans do with Taliban prisoners, and I suspect I hold the majority opinion on that subject”
I’m not sure that not caring constitutes holding an opinion. Do you sort of hope that they maybe do get tortured?
I’m not fond of the Taliban myself, but I do not think that Canada should turn a blind eye to how prisoners are treated. To do so is weak and cowardly. We should hold a stated position and ensure that it is respected.
And this is a bit O/T (or maybe not, given the title of this post), but did we all forget to make fun of Mario Dumont’s being French?
“Every once and a while Kate seriously disturbs the moonbats. They come out from their nests hurling insults, flying blindly into walls, bumping into each other in a desperate attempt to find rational reason. But, alas, despite all the flittering about, once again they succumb to irrational feelings.
This is one of those times. And all any reasonable person can do is sit back and wonder.
Posted by: irwin daisy at April 24, 2007 1:08 PM ”
Sit back and wonder, Daisy. I,personally,am laughing so hard I had to break poor Cheryl Crow’s new rules and use 2 squares of TP to cover up the wet spot!
Buffy the Vampire Hunter…Kate the MoonBat Displeaser(in a good way) …LOL
Do I care what the Afghans do with the Taliban? Well, I hope they don’t torture them. And, I hope they don’t make them kneel in a soccer stadium to be shot in the back of the head in very public acts of intimidation and control over society.
The Geneva Conventions are what delusional leftards use to try to justify their fantasies with some thin veneer of authority when they think something should happen according to their opinion.
The Conventions are clear, unambiguous and clearly unread by the left. But then the facts are not the point.
Lefty judges “read in” stuff into our constitution deliberately left out so there is certainly precedent to what these people are doing. What is irksome is that they get away with it. No only are they adding stuff that isn’t there, they’re manipulating, distorting and rendering ineffective the reasoning for what IS there.
The GC’s were for the protection of Civilians and legal militaries in that order. They were set up to enact swift and severe punishment to the violators for not obeying the rules of war. If combatants are allowed to hide amongst civilians and fight out of uniform they get civilians killed (and it’s the ones hiding in civilian areas that are responsible for the deaths, not the legal combatants firing on them. In last year’s Lebonon war, that would be Hezbollah that was committing war crimes – not the Jews.) Therefore, It was clear that illegal combatants lose all protections when they violate the conventions. This is not up for debate. It couldn’t be more clearly outlined in the documents. It could also not matter less to the leftards who rely more on their feelings than the facts they can’t be bothered to learn.
Taliban prisoners are subject to whatever they get. They have NO rights under the GC’s. None.
They DO have protection from the UN Treaty Against Torture. So, if you leftards want to thank me for taking the 20 seconds it takes to do your homework for you, I can proceed to draw the conclusion that although Taliban terrorists should not be tortured, they should just not be taken prisoner to begin with. Yes, that means shoot them on sight. That’s legal for terrorists under both treaties (GC’s specifically condones it and the Treaty Against Torture is silent on the matter.)
Now if you’re a retard lefty who wants to dish out their usual idiot opinion, at least spend the 20 seconds required to get your F’ing facts correct. Or better yet, kill yourself for being too stupid to live.
While it’s true Taliban prisoners aren’t protected by the Geneva Conventions, I think it also makes sense to treat them humanely. A lot of the Taliban are just kids who have been brainwashed in Pakistani Madrassas. They might be salvageable.
And lets not forget the intelligence that can be gained from prisoners. I’m sure lots of information is obtained from them, even without resorting to torture.
Blisarius,
I’m not for torture but it’s a fact that we don’t have the manpower to run a prison and don’t want the media having the opportunity of running amuk on our military at the first sign of underwear…
If the US, NATO or other relyable ally is running a prison there, fine. Send them there. If not, taliban be damned. Salvagable or not, these are some of the most hateful, violent, savage, cruel and viscious people on earth. If they can’t be locked up by the government of Afghanastan and can’t be pawned off elsewhere, there’s nothing left but a bullet.
“Leftist pattern: against torture and war.
Posted by: thwap at April 24, 2007 1:17 PM”
I gotta admit it, I’m a Liberal and I’m pretty much against torture and war. The question is, why are you for it?
ROFL
Frankly, who’d expect more from a sanctimonious prig who is unable to eat a hot dog unassisted?
Things must be truly desperate in lib-land; they are now courting the Taleban-Canadian vote
mhb23re
at gmail d0t calm
In the spirit of multi-lateralism, and UN diplomacy, I propose we send a very strongly worded letter to Hamid Karzai, telling him that torture is wrong.
There. That should do it.
Al Gore and all those others promoting this global warming poppycock should duct tape their mouths shut and cut off all that HOT AIR
Norman,
Or we could send the Taliban to Sudan to preach about human rights. It isn’t any more nuts than putting Sudan on the UN human rights committee or Iran on the UN disarmament committee…
Don:
Thwap’s your people. He was being facetious.
As for why someone would be for war, it’s the wrong question. The correct question is why is there nothing important enough for you to fight for? Is your life that small? Do you have so little to defend that you don’t value anything? Is there no one you care about that you’d defend?
Am I for war? Depends on who’s on the menu. I’m against war with Haiti cause there isn’t a point to it. They aren’t a threat. I’m for the war against islamofascism cause they want to destroy my culture, country, family and aside from that I’d like to keep my head if at all possible. If that means some of the people doing the threatening lose theirs instead, so be it.
Crabgrass
Yes, some of us hope or at least don’t fret that the Taliban prisoners may be tortured.
A little retribution on behalf of the teacher who is beheaded in front of his/her students or the farmer who is disemboweled alive in front of his family because he spoke to the troops.
This post, with comments, sums up the conservative sensibility better than anyone on the left could dream of doing. Hatred, torture and insult. Bravo.
Now, why are we in Afghanistan again? Oh, yeah, we’re fighting for freedom. Remember how the Taliban treated women? An outfit called RAWA was trotted out by the pro-war types–they bravely exposed Taliban excesses to the world. But, of course, things are different now.
You know, I love it. Years back, I remember getting chain emails after chain emails begging the world to do something about the treatment of women… loudest calls were from the lefties.
Now, the loudest calls to get out of Afghani affairs is from… the lefties.
Everything is easy when you can just wave a placard. Actual work is hard, and should be avoided, right lefties?
For those morons whose memory lasts a few days:
We’re in Afghanistan because of Embassy bombings in Kenya and Sudan, bombing of USS Cole, export of terror to Central Asia, Africa, Europe, South-east Asia not to mention that incident in New York a few years back.
With the knowledge, consent and support of the Taliban, thousands of radical Jihadis were trained in al-Qaeda’s Afghan terror camps to attack non-Muslim countries and spread Jihad. We’re there to make sure they don’t return.
Hey, they all report torture, it’s their MO, the jihadis aren’t stupid. They’ve noticed how the lefty media lemmings will run with any allegation that discredits coalition troops. There was a Muslim kid in Maine tortured(my word) recently when a classmate left a ham sandwich near him at lunch. The duplicity of Muslims, as a given, is well documented. Lying to or about non-Muslims has Mohammed’s approval in advancing the jihad. They just never had the lefty MSM and multi-culti lemmings to facilitate it before. Why report a “rumor” before it is substantiated?
This is the same jerk around games that the left and their media minions have been doing to Bush from day one.
A lot of the Taliban are just kids who have been brainwashed in Pakistani Madrassas. They might be salvageable.
Besides the fact that they probably were captured with lethal weapons rather than soccer balls, troops aren’t foster parents or social workers. What could a social worker do for this kid? He’s not our responsibility.
An enemy illegal combatant makes an unsubstanciated allegation and I am supposed to care because????? Canadian armed services people are taught that if captured they are to give their name rank and sin number. The taliban are taught that when caught they are to complain to the nearest western media that they are or have been tortured. The only consolation is that the more people hear the looney lefties like Taliban Steffie and Taliban Jack the more they realize what a gift PMSH is to Canada.
The assorted lefties and socialists infecting this thread are nauseating.
“Why are we there?” Because a LIBERAL PM sent them there at the request and the support of the UN and NATO.
“Why are we still there?” Because a CONSERVATIVE will stay until the job is done, not run away and hide like a little nancy-boy. We are still wanted there by the legal government of the country, the UN and NATO.
“Liberals are against war and torture.” As is every other thinking and caring human being, Conservatives included. The difference is, Conservatives not only understand that “war is hell” but also know that some things are worth fighting for. Liberals / socialists / lefties (L/S/L) want SOMEONE ELSE to do all the heavy lifting…they want to be the back-seat driver, the arm-chair quarterback, the “sayer” not the doer”. In short, they are spineless cowards with a need for attention and control.
To paraphrase the old saying…those that can (Conservatives), do; those that can’t (liberals / socialists / lefties), hide behind mommy’s skirt and shout insults, thinking themselves superior.
I parallel this whole “get out of Afghanistan” schtick with the following fictional line of reasoning:
Firefighters and police officers get killed on the job…therefore, the L/S/L would intone…ohmigod, why are they out there where it is dangerous? We should bring them back home to their firehalls and police stations! We are against violence and fire!
Morons.
Pundit, my dad was in the Air Police during WW2 and when he wasn’t chasing AWOLs in Quebec he would take German prisoners to the camps north of Timmins. You are right, very few ever tried to escape even though it wasn’t hard to do. When one did my dad and some of the other guards would patrol highway 11 for a few days. Some times the badly bitten by mosguitos and black flies escaper would show up, most time they didn’t.
…and as they arrive give them complimentary NDP party memberships and get them a temprary citizen status so they can vote…remember we allow prisoners to vote here….I think Jack was just engaging in a little voter base building.
Just to point out, didn’t Dion make the comment?
“Why are we still there?” Because a CONSERVATIVE will stay until the job is done, not run away and hide like a little nancy-boy. We are still wanted there by the legal government of the country, the UN and NATO.
That’s right–I’d forgotten about homophobia. Mandatory for conservatives. I did like the ambiguity of the last sentence, though. Deliberate?
So I guess we can all agree: if something is not illegal, then it is morally ok to do. Like abortion, perhaps.
First of all, I believe they are prisoners of the government of Afghanistan, not Canadian prisoners. We are not “occupying” Afghanistan, we are there at the request of the government of Afghanistan, who maintain sovergnty over their country. It is all outlined in the “Afghanistan Compact” which was signed onto by the Government of Afghanistan and the NATO member countries.
Secondly, fine, lets leave Afghanistan to its own devises–so we can send our troops somewhere else–but wait–the same people complaining about us being in Afghanistan will also complain about us being somewhere else–not of course, until the casualties begin, and/or the media reports of our soldiers “soldiering”. Oh, but wait–we also had casualties in Cyprus, Golan Heights, the Congo, Bosnia, etc., and believe it or not, our soldiers also participated in “soldiering” on those missions too–funny I didnt hear any cries of “bring our troops home” then.
Hey Dawg, go upstairs. I think your mom’s making cookies.
What is the big problem here? The taliban hide amongst women and children and as such this is quite clear even to an imbecile that they do not qualify for Geneva protection; they are citizens of Afghanistan and as such are turned over to local government. Case closed! Who gives a crap about these “so called” freedom fighters other than left-wing asshats like albatross! I find it so ironic that you same lefties rallied when Maher Arar was sent to Syria to be tortured.
Bring a canuk back to his people but not allow an Afghan to be dealt with by his people??!!!
You moonbats have serious issues!
From the performance of ALL the Opposition Parties in the HOC, none of them are even fit to be in OPPOSITION.
They show no sign of having the capacity for intelligent debate on any subject. They have nothing to offer but a game of Gotcha, which is the lowest form of Politics played by the desperate.
I find it so ironic that you same lefties rallied when Maher Arar was sent to Syria to be tortured.
Bring a canuk back to his people but not allow an Afghan to be dealt with by his people??!!!
You moonbats have serious issues!
I’m not sure I see the contradiction. Please enlighten me. We brought Arar back because he was a citizen, but the matter was made far more urgent because he was being tortured. Now some of us don’t like the notion of handing over prisoners of war to be tortured. Seems consistent.
But, in fairness, the conservatives here are consistent, too–they support torture. “Serious issues,” indeed: some are self-disclosing perhaps more than they intended.
albatros = thwap/dawg
Thwap, from your linked blog site, here’s your bio in your own words. I’m putting it out here because it has adolescent games player written all over it.
About Me
I used to hang around on rabble.ca’s “babble” until May, 2006, and, since then, I’ve been found at http://www.enmasse.ca and http://www.breadnroses.ca. I’m sometimes rude to people and I’ve been accused of “schoolyard taunts,” so, here’s my schoolyard.
Interests
labour issues socialism anarchism revolution & reform … underground comix art … philosophy and meaning … stuff
Folks, you are responding to a kid whose interests include anarchy, underground comix art(?) and is a self-professed bully.