85 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: The Documentary”

  2. The climate change argument is like the train that has already left the station. I happen to think humans are not responsible (.15% of total GHGs) for warming, if it even is happening. It doesn’t matter.
    Canadians have caught the environmental bug. Sure, right now it’s mostly warm and fuzzy. The media, however, will skewer any public figure who challenges the warming dogma. That’s why Dion is trying to nail Harper with this “he doesn’t believe in the theory” outing.
    Stephane, no s**t. Harper will reframe the debate to reducing emissions, to ultimately transitioning from carbon fuels to some other (electric, nuclear, cold fission?) energy technology.
    Harper also knows that Kyoto will do little if anything to meaningfully reduce CO2 emissions, but if we don’t get off carbon fuel, China, India and the rest of the modernizing world will cause an environmental catastrophe. He has already said this is a very long-term transition (50+ years).
    Energy technology is the quiet high tech right now. Canada, if she plays her cards right, can truly be an energy superpower. That is our heritage, as staple providers to the world. Our standard of living depends on it, and Harper knows this too.
    I think he is doing a pretty good job of “stickhanding” so far, eh?

  3. From the forthcoming autobiography of Cardinal Suzuki:
    “Teach a boy to fish and you feed him for the rest of his life. Put that boy in an interment camp and he will side with the fish for the rest of his life. “

  4. What on earth do Anne Murray, Randy Bachmann and other assorted musicians and sports figures have to contribute to what should be a scientific debate on global warming? Suzuki’s tour looks like nothing more than a travelling circus, replete with plenty of feel-good cheerleading and little else.

  6. Is this just another version of Ken Kesey’s Merry Pranksters or Tom Wolfe’s Electric Koolaid Acid Test, or perhaps Canada’s own 1970 cross country Festival Express rock tour?
    Sounds more like just another “BE IN” from the recipients of the great pioneer television experiment Howdy Doody / Razzle Dazzle crowd.

  7. Have you noticed that the folks who maintain that human activity is THE culprit in climate change never, ever, mention the Sun?
    Basic common sense would place the Sun’s output as the number controller over our climate.
    But……admitting that would remove the leverage and the hysteria from the issue.
    People who can’t win at the ballot box looking to create a panic that allows them to foist their hardleft ideology on everyone.
    (as mentioned earlier, the manufactured hysteria over climate change/global warming buries more important issues such as deforestation and overfishing.)

  9. Kate: There have been a lot of comments containing facts and very good arguments against the politicization of the environment posted to SDA. That together with your posting of topics and facts would make an interesting introduction to this whole business for newbies as well as combating the envirofascists.
    “A roadkill guide to climate change and Kyoto”
    I know it’s probably too time consuming – but just an idea, for what it’s worth.

  10. An enormous barrage of press and publicity to push this line.
    10 years to fix the planet…..well its either true or this is about crisis creation. I would like to see what the waypoints are that tell us we are on the road. How will I know 3 years from now that we will be only 7 years away from disaster….what are the signs and indicies….guess what there arent any that can be stated other than there will be weird weather….climate porn…..What are they going to say if the ice cap is bigger in 2007 than 2006?
    What will be said if the we dont have a recor breaking summer in 2007? My bet is that the ice cap will be larger in 2007 than in 2006 and that the summer will not be record breaking heat. But we will have hot days, and humid days…..and I bet somewhere in Canada they will have record heat FOR THAT DAY, but overall..now.
    In Toronto, last summer was great, no record heat, pleasant etc except for a normal couple of weeks when it gets really muggy.
    This is a big con and needs to be resisted for at least 2 more years when the data will definitely not support irrevocable global warming…..

  11. Ah lemme see now David.
    If I were Prime Minister I would..
    Shut down Ft Mac and send thousands of gainfully employed young men and women home to dwell in the dispair of EI forever.
    Build nuke power plants based on Russian technology to replace all coal fired generation right across Canada.
    And finally raise the cost of gasoline ,diesel and home heating oil to $50.00/litre to discourage wasteful usage like home heating and basic transportation.
    You and me is gonna be pals David.
    Pals I tell ya..Pals.

  12. Gulp! Vancouver Sun front page (as viewed from a newspaper box):
    BC may become overwhelmed by climate refugees from places like Bangladesh, etc.
    This seems to be an amazingly well orchestrated campaign.

  13. Joke’ll be on them, I say. Since Vancouver will be underwater and everything.
    But things are looking up for Saskatchewan!

  14. Read this:
    http://www.thestar.com/News/article/176382
    Imagine, Stephen Harper called Kyoto a socialist scheme:
    “It would take more than one letter to explain what’s wrong with Kyoto, but here are a few facts about this so-called “Accord”:
    — It’s based on tentative and contradictory scientific evidence about climate trends.
    — It focuses on carbon dioxide, which is essential to life, rather than upon pollutants.
    — Canada is the only country in the world required to make significant cuts in emissions. Third World countries are exempt, the Europeans get credit for shutting down inefficient Soviet-era industries, and no country in the Western hemisphere except Canada is signing.
    — Implementing Kyoto will cripple the oil and gas industry, which is essential to the economies of Newfoundland, Nova Scotia, Saskatchewan, Alberta and British Columbia.
    — As the effects trickle through other industries, workers and consumers everywhere in Canada will lose. THERE ARE NO CANADIAN WINNERS UNDER THE KYOTO ACCORD.
    — The only winners will be countries such as Russia, India, and China, from which Canada will have to buy “emissions credits.” Kyoto is essentially a socialist scheme to suck money out of wealth-producing nations.
    — On top of all this, Kyoto will not even reduce greenhouse gases. By encouraging transfer of industrial production to Third World countries where emissions standards are more relaxed, it will almost certainly increase emissions on a global scale.”
    How damning. I guess the TorStar has outed him.
    Perhaps Citoyen Dion can rebut his arguments. What a laugh when Dion accuses of not agreeing with the “science” of global warming.
    Tell the truth, Dion. Human induced (loading) global warming is a theory at this point – unproven. Even so, many “experts” think it is true, so their opinion constitutes “consensus.”
    Don’t argue there is scientific basis for human-induced climate change; it is an opinion.
    Once again, Mr Harper has trumped Mr Dion on the environmental file dealing with pollution (with CO2 reductions as a nice bonus) emissions, that we need a realistic action plan, not Dr Didlittle (Greg Weston in today’s Sun).
    I was originally wary of running these ads (keep your powder dry), but now I see their value.
    Though I question their veracity, I am curious how the next “poll” will play out.

  15. Have you noticed that the folks who maintain that human activity is THE culprit in climate change never, ever, mention the Sun?
    Yep. The sun is only relevant to lefties in that they think that it rises and sets on them alone. The fossil record tells us that we’ve had severe climate changes in the past before humans.
    The coffers of global socialism needs these apocalyptic fund raisers to transfer wealth. Remember when AIDS would kill one in four of us? Being a behavioral disease that wasn’t very realistic. How many billions are down the African AIDS rat hole by now?
    If we are lucky enough as democracies and intelligent people to kill socialism finally, the MSM, retake our colleges, and restore real science maybe next decade we can start rebuilding the legacy of the Greeks, Judeo-Christian principles, Newton, Galileo, the stuff that doesn’t matter any more.
    Scary, isn’t it?

  17. For anyone who’s interested, here’s the list of the David Suzuki Foundation’s Honorary Board Members:
    Margaret Atwood
    James Burke
    Dr. Paul Ehrlich
    Peter Garrett
    Gordon Lightfoot
    Anita Roddick
    Sting
    Maurice Strong
    Dr. E.O. Wilson
    Sir Edward Goldsmith
    Raffi Cavoukian
    Dr. Tara Cullis, Founder and President of the David Suzuki Foundation, is billed as “An award-winning writer and former instructor at Harvard University.”
    Dr. Cullis is David Suzuki’s second wife, who he married in 1972.
    Severn Cullis-Suzuki, “active in environmental and social justice since she was a child…closed a Plenary Session at 1992’s Rio Earth Summit with a powerful speech to the political representatives, and in 1993 she received the UN Environment Program’s Global 500 Award. She is well-known for her work as a writer, speaker and television host, and is co-founder of the Skyfish Project.”
    Severn Cullis-Suzuki is David Suzuki’s and Tara Cullis’ daugther.

  18. Vancouver will be underwater,of course! Buy future oceanfront property in Sask.now. When the icecaps melt the water levels will be about the same as they are right now. A little experiment,Fill a pitcher with as much ice as possible. Top it up to the miniscus(as full as possible). When the ice inside melts,measure how much has spilled over. Oh my,maybe that oceanfront sask. home wasn’t such a good idea.

  19. Sorry, ‘forgot to mention that Dr. Cullis and Severn Cullis-Suzuki are both Board Members of the David Suzuki Foundation.

  20. I figured that the David Suzuki Foundation’s citing of over 900 scientific articles that, supposedly, unanimously support the theory of man-made warming, wasn’t telling the whole story (Len Pryor’s post above, January 30, 2007, 1:27 p.m.).
    This from Lorne Gunter’s National Post article, one of the links above confirms it, in spades:
    [begin quote]
    If you saw Al Gore’s propaganda film, An Inconvenient Truth, you may be familiar with Naomi Oreskes, the University of California social scientist who claimed to have found 100% agreement among climate scientists. In a much-quoted article in Science magazine, Ms. Oreskes claimed that of the 928 scientific paper’s whose abstracts she reviewed, not a single one disagreed with or raised objections to the man-made warming theory.
    Not reported though — because it doesn’t reinforce the climate catechism — was a review of Ms. Oreskes’ report by British scientist Benny Peiser. He found that Ms. Oreskes had failed to examine nearly 11,000 other climate reports that may or may not have supported her conclusion. And even among the 928 she carefully selected, only 2% “wholly endorsed the view that human activity is driving global warming,” while several “actually opposed that conclusion,” even though Ms. Oreskes claimed their support, too.
    [end quote]
    Comrade Suzuki’s Canadian Caravan is nothing more than a Wild West Show, with snake oil, huksterism, and all.

  21. It drives me crazy how members of the MSM can’t discuss the real purpose of Kyoto which isn’t to decrease meaningful pollution by any amount but to transfer billions out of our pockets to crazy polluting so-called developing nations. I agree that we should do something about pollution of our land-base, waters, and air (especially in the cities) but we don’t have to do it at the expense of our economy and Kyoto is a load of crap.
    PS climate change has been occurring since the beginning of time and humans are stupid enough to want to try to stop any kind of climate change from happening? The whole idea is laughable. The person who commented about more droughts on the prairies should really go talk to a geologist because there have historically been 50 year droughts on the prairies (of course there weren’t people here but the evidence lies in the soil profile). All of this before so-called “global warming”.
    Pollution caused by humans is bad but the one thing that I’m certain of is that climate change happens and I’m not sure that I buy that humanity should try it’s darndest to keep the climate exactly the same because what if this is a naturally occurring phenomenon and we’re screwing it up by trying to cool the earth? Isn’t that as bad as humanity causing global warming in the first place? Hmmmmmmmmmm.

  22. Dion is going to retrofit Stornaway. How much will that cost the taxpayer. He is turning a bedroom into an exercise room so, as he said on global, his successor will be able to possibly lose weight. Is that or is it not an attack. And what if that successor is layton, or duceppe. That stmt made after being questioned re the critical ads being run, and he said he would never stoop that low, it is not his style. Another case of foot in mouth, isn’t that fatal.

  23. Well the Globe finally got to one good point today. NO EXEMPTIONS
    Even if you believe that Global Warming is a consequence of man made industrial activity you should absolutely oppose Kyoto. Not including the number 2 and number 4 CO2 emitters in the treaty was ridiculous.
    If you believe CO2 is a Satanic Gas then it must be stopped everywhere…..oh shoot I emit CO2 when breathe out, I guess better kill myslef for the sake of the planet

  24. Proof if any was needed. You can find conmen in any profession. This one has been on the public dole for so long, he thinks he has a job.

  25. To show how much the average voter knows about co2 lets encourage the g&m to have a poll with these questions.
    How much co2 are you responsible for emitting into the air on a daily basis.
    lots
    none
    don’t know
    I think none would top the votes.
    Anyone else get the e-mail from someone fwding a message from some group advocating that every cdn turn off all electrical power in their home and office for 5 minutes, feb 1st, at the same time.
    They say the amount of energy saved by this action would reduce ghg by x amount.
    My question, what happens to the surge at power stations at minute 6. How long would it take to power up every computer, engine, appliance etc. Bet more than was saved. I deleted it and refused to fwd to 5 friends. This request started in TO, so watch for problems feb 1, 1:00p.m.

  26. The main architect of this scam Kyoto is hiding in China, to afraid to fly into the U.S. All his cronies are either in jail or on trial for theiving and lying, and the msm buys this global warming religion like it is the koran, coming from these shady dorks. You are judged by the friends you keep.

  27. Watch for the EU to pull out of Kyoto, as it is killing their economy. People woke up to the fact that meeting targets would affect them personally. They bought the lie, only industry would pay. They forgot industry provides jobs, and other necessities of life.
    Everyone knows kyoto targets can’t be met but strong and chretain had a plan to scam millions. JC signed kyoto, and the entire cabinet including dion knew nothing would ever be done except transfer money. But, something happened, chretain lost to martin, martin lost to harper. Now, the libs have to do everything in their power to get back and pretend to believe in kyoto. They get Harper to turn green, and when he starts to do something, anti dion liberals will have an awakening and discover kyoto is bad and harper & dion knew it but tried to ruin canada anyway. New leader, Wahlah, liberals back in power. Hows that for a conspiracy, makes more sense than the one blaming Bush for 9/11.

  28. when is Borat Dion going to admit that his
    “substanable development” means cutting back the heat by 25%, cutting back driving by30%, increasing fuel prices by 30%, increasing payments to china and india by 200% for nothing.
    suzuki and the other jet set will have us all living in substandard substanable subhuman conditions ala Cuba whilst the they and Al Gore jet the world.

  30. Bartinsky says: “The main architect of this scam Kyoto is hiding in China, too afraid to fly into the U.S.” Anyone notice that this same individual also sits on Suzuki Foundation’s board? Anymore questions about who is funding Suzuki’s dog and pony show?

  31. “Analysis of vertical air photographs taken in 1959 and 1974 reveals that a total of 48 km2, involving 3.3 km3, of ice calved from Milne and
    Ayles ice shelves between July 1959 and July 1974. In addition, Ayles Ice Shelf moved about 5 km out of Ayles Fiord. It still occupied this exposed
    position in July 1984.    ”
    http://pubs.aina.ucalgary.ca/arctic/Arctic39-1-15.pdf
    It seems like this rascally chunk of 4,500 year old ice likes to move around … I can’t remember if it was global warming or cooling at the time.
    Does anyone remember any of the MSM scientists reporting this 20 years ago? I can’t seem to recall the media stir.

  32. Mary T, You connected the dots – this was yet another Liberano scam to rob Canadian taxpayers. Every criminal Liberano thug is in the window all Canadians need to do is open their eyes and look!
    If a person listens to the people ‘concerned’ about ‘climate change’ – don’t any of them have a life?- you will find that they have no answer to why they are ‘concerned’. Why do they believe in something that expensive for no obvious reason? I think that, deep down, the whimpering ‘climate cultists’ are pea green with envy when they see the young people of Alta, working hard and building themselves a future;( izzy mohony in al bert ha) cultists are always cowards; they envy and resent those who have grit and courage. They can never compete so they aim to destroy.
    Never doubt, ever, that Y2Kayota is NOT about climate, it never was, it is about bankrupting Alta; the thorn in the Liberano hide. The Western Canadians (especially Albertians), with the help of the sane in the East, stole Liberano dreams of a luxurious future life lots of money and control over thousands – all free of charge! Canadian taxpayers were going to pay via carbon credits funneled to Mo tse Strong in China.
    It was all planned.
    If the Liberanos ever win another election they will be ruthlessly dictatorial; this country will never have another election and all citizens here will be working for you know who over there. Now that is something to be ‘concerned’ about IMO.

  34. Commenter at Jack’s Newswatch re The Weather Hoax/Scam…-
    One of the other BT bloggers posted a series of 4 or 5 vid clips from a video from the “Freinds of Science” group. In those clips, the climatologists were very vocal in their objections to ‘current’ and ‘accepted’ data regarding climate-change. They totally be-bunked the hockey stick graph, and also the CO2 vs. global temperature graph. During some of the coldest periods of the earth, the CO@ levels were 5-8 times higher….and usually lagging behind current temps by 300-600 yrs or so. Their basic point is the relationship to global temperature is not influenced by GHG, but that GHG were determined by temps. Also, they very clearly stated that earth’s global temps are constantly changing…always were, always have, and always will. Enough with the “Global warming is real” B.S. In 5 years, it will be the “the global cooling is real” hysteria coming down the pike next.
    The level of hysteria is directly linked to donations to groups like the sierra club and ilk….when donations dry up, some new calamity will emerge….save the whales, old growth forests, burrowing owls….harp seals….see a trend?
    If you get suckered into believing this GHG and Climate change hooey, then you are way more stupid than you think. Just the change from global warming to the now more sell-able climate change shows a shift in the environmental group’s marketing strategy: “Warming only works for us when it gets hotter, therefore, we change to CLIMATE CHANGE, then we can bamboozle them even if it gets colder.” Wake up people….you are being lied to!
    Comment by arctic_front | January 30, 2007

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