Don’t vote for the joooo…..
Sources close to Rae say that his wife, Arlene Perly Rae, was approached during last weekend’s convention by a delegate who didn’t realize she was the candidate’s wife. The delegate told her not to vote for Rae “because his wife is Jewish.”
Perly Rae stonily informed the delegate that she was the wife in question. The delegate beat a hasty retreat.
The incident might have been shrugged off if it had been an isolated event. But Rae team insiders contend it was part of a larger pattern of anti-Semitic smears on Rae, who finished third.
A flyer was circulated electronically among convention delegates denouncing Rae for having once delivered a speech to the Jewish National Fund, a group the flyer said was complicit in “war crimes and ethnic cleansing.”
“Rae’s wife is a vice-president of the CJC (Canadian Jewish Congress), a lobby group which supports Israeli apartheid,” said the flyer in bold letters superimposed over a close-up of Rae’s face.
“Bob Rae supports Israeli apartheid. Don’t elect a leader who supports apartheid.”
The Canadian Jewish Congress has condemned the flyer and blamed Khaled Mouammar, president of the Canadian Arab Federation for circulating it. The federation has, in turn, accused the CJC of making “a pitiful attempt to discredit” it and has denied producing or distributing the flyer.
Nevertheless, in a release Thursday, the federation supported the content of the flyer.
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On another website, operated by a Montreal-based pro-Palestinian group, Liberals were urged about a week before the leadership vote: “Do not vote for Bob Rae, we’re not looking or another Zionist PM.”
The group recommended that delegates vote for Gerard Kennedy, the fourth-place contender whose dramatic decision to throw his support to Stephane Dion after the second ballot clinched the victory for Dion. It said that “voting for Bob Rae is a vote for the daily massacre in Palestine (and) . . . for a new Zionist PM in Canada.”
Rae could not be reached for comment Thursday but insiders say he was aghast and hurt by the attacks.
The smears have raised broader questions about the role that blocs of ethnic delegates played at the convention in securing a stunning, come-from-behind victory for Dion.
Update Stephen Taylor has a copy of the flyer.
I’m still laughing.
Ha ha ha, Bob and Iggy thought this was about politics and policies, I guess they didn’t get the memo that the liberal boys are nothing but a bunch of gangster thugs. At least Iggy can go back to Harvard, Bob sold out his NDP soul, kinda like Buzz. After this, how can we treat the liberals as a political party with Canada’s best interests in mind. There isn’t much difference between Hamas, or is it Hezbolla, in Lebannaon and Liberals in Canada. Trudeau, Mo Strong, started this cult, when do they bring out the rockets.
We don’t have any proof that CPC observers at the convention were behind this, nor that Liberals were. Until we know for sure (and we may never), we should not tar either party with it.
Illustrative of the the Liberal mindset….do or say whatever you can to get or keep power.
This LPC is a house of corruption. It needs to be burned to the ground….if there are ANY honest Liberals they must be loosing a lot of sleep.
I’ve had the pleasure of growing up around Upper Canadian Liberals and they’re all the same. Very anti-semetic Protestants of English ancestory. It shouldn’t surprise anyone that the Liberals in Canada feel this way.
“anti-semetic Protestants of English ancestory”
It’s kind of pathetic to see religious and ethnic bigotry in a thread about anti-semitism, particularly from people who can’t spell it.
Maybe the renascent anti-Semitism of the Liberals is based on demographics. From 1997 to 2001, the number of Jews in the country increased from 318 to 329 thousands, while the number of Muslims increased from 253 to 579 thousands. I’m sure in the six years since (couldn’t find later figures) that gap has widened considerably, given our immigration policies.
christopher: “It’s kind of pathetic to see religious and ethnic bigotry in a thread about anti-semitism, particularly from people who can’t spell it.”
Yes, irony is all around…
Crabgrass,
It occurred at a Liberal convention, therefore its prima facie liberals.
However there’s numerous witnesses to corroborate that this was organized by libs at the convention, including
Rae’s wife (who the stupid delegates didn’t realize who she was) was directly approached by known liberal delegates.
Pathetic try to pin this on the CPC.
Course given the vile nature of the conduct I can understand why you’d want to avoid supporting such a party.
But alas, it is your Liberal party.
Inciting racial hatred.
“In Canada, advocating genocide or inciting hatred against any ‘identifiable group’ is an indictable offense under the Canadian Criminal Code with maximum terms of two to fourteen years. An ‘identifiable group’ is defined as ‘any section of the public distinguished by colour, race, religion, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.’ It makes exceptions for cases of statements of truth, and subjects of public debate and religious doctrine. The landmark judicial decision on the constitutionality of this law was R. v. Keegstra (1990).” (answers.com)
Is the Liberal Party of Canada liable?
Are the creators/distributors of the “flyer” inciting racial hatred?
“We don’t have any proof that CPC observers at the convention were behind this,”
Not just pathetic, clueless too.
I actually don’t know this, but would it be easy to tell a delegate from an observer? “The delegate beat a hasty retreat” suggests to me that they in fact do not know who it was. That’s rather key. Do we know who the witnesses are? I haven’t been following closely, but I haven’t heard any names at all. If any of this information comes out (again, maybe it has, but can you point me to it?), it would do much to lend some creedence to the story.
It’s not really my Liberal party, but I do like what I’m seeing right now. It looks like we all have at least some time to make that decision.
Ace, I’m well aware that Borat is Jewish, He doesn’t get a pass from me because he is. Given we are at war with a fascist ideology that at it’s core wants to kill us, that Islamofascists are humorless thugs that would never appreciate his self-depreciating sense of humor, I think he and Hollywood are on a very slippery slope promoting his style of humor. There is no humor in anti-Semitism or in manipulating an image of Americans as idiots. It disgusts me that it gets exported overseas, like so much garbage out of Hollywood, for all of the world to misunderstand.
Canada is hotel to the world
duallys like Dion. notice the most common thread-libs and dippers except Myron.
Omar Alghabra (Ontario Liberal), with Syria.
Raymond Chan (British Columbia Liberal), with the United Kingdom.
Libby Davies (British Columbia NDP), with the United Kingdom.
Jim Karygiannis (Ontario Liberal), with Greece.
Wajid Khan (Ontario Liberal), with Pakistan.
Maka Kotto (Quebec Bloc Québécois), with France.
Pablo Rodriguez (Quebec Liberal), with Argentina.
Michael Savage (Nova Scotia Liberal), with the United Kingdom.
Mario Silva (Ontario Liberal), with Portugal.
Lui Temelkovski (Ontario Liberal), with Macedonia.
Myron Thompson (Alberta Conservative), with the United States.
Ya know, in a rational thinking nation, supporting the Jews who were provoked into their last conflict and mounted a surgical assault designed to minimze collateral damage, would be a good thing.
Supporting the islamo-freaks who use human bombs and “fire-and-f*ckit” missle strategies would generally seem to be a bad thing.
Then again, my mind does not apparently function (or not) like a Liberal’s.
“G&M comments re Dion and his French citizenship favor his keeping it. I wonder if Canada broke out in war, would Chirac pay for Dions evacuation. Now we see liberals are against the Jews, is that a surprise, with Iggy’s campaign manager supporting the Hezzies. Wasn’t it a liberal government that refused to let a boat full of jewish people disembark and sent them back to the ovens. Liberals have been anti-jewish forever. Maybe the Jewish population will finally realize this and change their vote. And for all those trying to defend Dion for his french citizenship, all the rest in the House with dual citizenship are not trying to be the PM. As for Ted Morton, he was not chosen so it is a non issue. Ezra is not the only one mentioning this, he is the first one to write about it. Regardless, Dion has waited too long, and got too emotional over it, for cdns to trust him. His stmt, if it becomes a problem I will give it up. Hey, it has become a problem, and when you give it up you are telling us Harper can win. That is what you told Manbridge last night.”
Wow! Every time I read something by “maryT” I cringe for SDA. She’s almost singlehandedly lowering the tone of this site.
Shorter Kate: “Whaaa! It’s a vast global conspiracy against teh jooos!”
Suuuuuuuuuuuuuure, Kate, it gets more believable every time you and the rest of the “Israel First” nutbars say it. This Canadian Press story is a crock and I seriously question the gullability of anyone who buys this steaming turd retail.
Dennis Prager a talk show host, columnist and Jew wrote and article about why most Jews are liberal:
http://www.townhall.com/columnists/DennisPrager/2006/04/25/explaining_jews,_part_v_why_are_jews_liberal
In the last American mid-term election American Jews voted 85% for the Democrats even though they are more anti-semitic than Canada’s liberals.
“The Canadian Jewish Congress has condemned the flyer and blamed Khaled Mouammar, president of the Canadian Arab Federation for circulating it. The federation has, in turn, accused the CJC of making “a pitiful attempt to discredit” it and has denied producing or distributing the flyer.
Nevertheless, in a release Thursday, the federation supported the content of the flyer.”
That is the part that I think everyone has overlooked so far. They didn’t write it, but they sure wish they did. Whatever group (winkety blink) wrote this certainly has the support of the Canadian Arab Federation.
would it be okay if Mr. Dion was a dual citizen of Israel?
Bravo odie441…missed the regret :). I tell my grandaughters about the wars, and what their grandfathers and great-grandfather sacrificed so that they can argue whether they can listen to their Ipods in school or not. As for that teacher, I think that is a misuse of the word “teacher”. Old wounds? Guess he/she never heard about learning from our mistakes, and how those that don’t, are doomed to repeat it!
Ex-liberal: “would it be okay if Mr. Dion was a dual citizen of Israel?”
No. Nothing would be okay. I guarantee it.
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JJM, something tells me that MaryT is a little wild-eyed. It has become apparent that someone who agrees with everything that Kate infers can indeed damage the brand.
“I’m well aware that Borat is Jewish, He doesn’t get a pass from me because he is.”
I agree…
jjm & crabgrass – what you can’t handle the truth.
Must be liberals. The only person who could be our PM and hold dual citizenship is one of our Native leaders. I am not wide eyed, just someone who has been around a long time and has a very good memory, especially of past liberal actions against the Jews. Has canada ever refused to let a plane load or boat load of muslims disembark, to be returned to their country to be blown up by some idiot with a death wish. Also, those saying the conservatives called Arar a terrorist in the house of commons. It would be in Hansard, please find it. Today Day challenged the liberals to do find it. Libs better be careful or the truth will be brought out, and it will not look good for Graham, the ambassador to Syria or backroom libs.
i did post that in angry
Another looser
Maher Arar – dual citizen Canada & Syria. And US could not decide so they took 51% he was Syrian. And they ship him there – now —cry baby cry……
“I wonder if there is some kind of fundamental change going on in the Liberal Party. To my knowledge, the Jewish vote in the large cities of Toronto, Montreal etc – is traditionally to the Liberal Party.”
The fundamental change is that there are now a lot more muslims in Canada than jews. They don’t need the jewish vote if they can get the muslim vote.
mbaron
“Crabgrass”:
Check “maryT’s” last posting.
Quod erat demonstrandum.
Nuff said.
Given that this is the first time I have commented on this topic, I will provide full disclosure. I am neither Jewish nor Arabic. I was born in Alberta to second generation Canadians, ancestors British.
In the last ten years I did spend a year as the Chief of Liaison to the Multinational Force and Observers in the Sinai of Egypt, dealing “up close and personal” with Egyptian and Israeli officers on a range of matters. I was also involved closely with the Palestinian issue.
I will tell you that when you are dealing with mid-East relationships, there is plenty of blame to go around. No one is guiltless, no one is entirely guilty. When you see the blatant anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli dialogue that characterises the current position of the Liberal party, it is obvious that they have “lost the bubble”; they no longer have the ability to differentiate between rhetoric and reality; and they have no interest in the truth. The situation at the convention does not surprise me. Too bad.
Anyone recall that during their convention Ken Dryden crying out “I want my Canada back”.
Well Ken, how do you feel about your Liberal comrades now? Is that your Canada?
Let’s face it.
The Liberals’ Canada is just a mess.
anti-mom/dad/kid families
anti-having babies
anti-Jewish
anti-CPC
anti-Harper
anti-Alberta
anti-accountability
anti-responsibility
anti-protecting 14-year-old kids from sexual predators
Aunty Sicko.
Over at Cherniak’s he has posted a statement by Dion. Funny, but the statement says that the dissemination of Anti-Semitic material at the convention was a terrible thing (blah blah blah) but nowhere does he say that it was a Conservative plant or a Rovian conspiracy. He seems to believe the incident actually happened and was perpetrated by (gasp) Liberals!!
I guess we’ll soon see the apologies from the many posters here and, of course, on the many LibLogs for falsely accusing Conservatives.
Crabgrass
An anti-Semitic flyer was recently distributed at the Liberal Leadership Convention
Or, was it really a fake, ordered by Steven Harper, and distributed by a CPC “plant?”
Did the Conservatives fake the flyer? We don’t know. They’re not saying. (sarcasm off)
Give your head a shake!
RLP – Could you point me to some of the dialogue that you’re referring to?
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Even with respect to whatever might have happened at the convention, so far we have “a delegate” and “Rae team insiders” purportedly reporting what is being bought in bulk as the truth here.
The Canadian Arab federation denies distributing it but agrees with the content.
Okay… I don’t know anything about them, but does it matter?
Is there a tie to the Liberal party in there somewhere?
“A Montreal-based pro-Palestinian group urged Liberals..[not to vote for Rae]” Could the same group not urge CPC members to vote a certain way at some point? Would that prove something?
Last paragraph: “The smears have raised broader questions…” Smears.
Is there anything more concrete than my chicken scratch summary here? Do we have even the name of a single soul willing to substantiate any of this?
I’m not trying to be difficult here. Can anyone point me to something more compelling than what I’ve gleaned from this piece?
Is it possible that Kennedy knew about the flyer, and that possibly one of Raes supporters was going to take it public on TV at the end of voting on second ballot. If that happened, Rae would get the sympathy vote and possible put GK out of the race. He pulled a fast one by dropping out of the third vote. Could this be why, his camp was full of muslim delegates (400)which was half his vote. The liberal party will not be united for a long time, until they get trudeau the 2nd. Gee, cbc must of lost their love for Dion, haven’t seen or heard from him all day.
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO ALL MUSLIMS.
mezba said…
Is it purely about the optics then? I would HATE to see him fold over this.It will be an insult to all dual citizens who are 100% loyal to Canada but hold on to their original citizenship due to sentimental reasons.
It will also be a sign that Ezra Levant[Western Standard]
the nutcase has power. …-
(Posted at a Lib blog)
Maybe of topic
But can someone explain to me why we have a bank in Canada?
Food one
Why?
Are they taking me for ride?
NCF TO, I just reread my comments and no where does it even elude that “where the world would be so much better if the Jews would just go away” as you wrote.
I gather that reading comprehension wasn’t one of your best subjects in school. If you are going to try and slam me then try to understand what was written.
mbaron
It doesn’t get much clearer than what you have said and it is a fact.
Thanks to decades of the Liberals pandering to most all of the dynamic minority lobbies in order to get votes to sustain themselves up to now. The less moderate (?) Muslim lobby has primarily gone to the Liberals as they believe it is the best long term way for them to go – not to grow Canada, but to impose many of their own values rather than integrating. It is all about power.
They are becoming increasingly more politically active, have the financing, and have inherited the vehicle for power (totally gratis) – all of the legislation that has here-to-fore been passed to protect 4 million uni-lingual francophones as well as the other strong minority groups that have supported them in a joint effort as being the best way to ensure their own group’s interests – imposing their own mores/values on the ROC. It has put the ROC into this extreme political correctness mode – either acquiesce or face going to a human rights tribunal. Total insanity – about 30% minority of a country driving the entire socio/political engine of the country.
With the next huge wave of immigration expected to arrive from India – so will another power lobby emerge that has the interest in, and the financial backing to pursue political influence to impose many of their own mores/values rather than to integrate.
The question is – what to do? The first step in problem solving is awareness and far to many in the ROC have just not got to this point yet.
off topic:
Hydro one
Again they caught thief
All CEO are like that?
RLP – When you see the blatant anti-Jewish and anti-Israeli dialogue that characterises the current position of the Liberal party, it is obvious that they have “lost the bubble”; they no longer have the ability to differentiate between rhetoric and reality; and they have no interest in the truth.
Man, that is a poignant statement! Sadly that is the state of politics today. Win at all costs. Even if it means selling your soul.
Crabgrass,
Do we have even the name of a single soul willing to substantiate any of this?
Mrs. Rae isn’t good enough? Conspiracy for sure.
BTW: When I go fishing we try to go where we know there are fish.
I would have also thought having a NDP leader for the liberal party would have been enough not to choose him … NDP/liberal same thing.
The suggestion that CPC observers were behind this is beyond credulity. I am sure they would not be capable of pulling something off like that, for starters. But I also find it difficult to believe this is some systemic problem within the Liberal party without much, much more to go on. Sure there appears to be, and I hear from disappointed inside sources, that religious and ethnic-based politics is happening, but that is a long way from what is reported here. I also find it somewhat dubious that a delegate would not recognize the wife of one of the two lead candidates and, in addition, would make such statements to someone he did not already know. It seems the matter should be explored thoroughly, but it is way too early get on the soapbox, either way.
Ural, I’d be glad to discuss this, if you’re up for continuing.
Pretend for a moment that someone who claimed to be representing you told Mrs. Rae something pretty ugly. Do you think you might ask Mrs Rae “who was it? What camp were they from?” This is not a silly question.
Mrs. Rae indicated that a delegate told her not to vote for Bob, and upon her identifying herself made a hasty retreat. This person did NOT want to be identified. Your guess is as good as mine. It seems that you’re confident it was a delegate, and beyond that, if it was a delegate it provides all the evidence we need that the Liberal party is rife with venomous anti-Semitism. I’m just saying that it’s a pretty rash judgement, especially on something so damning. Does that make sense?
I asked earlier and got no reply, is there a way to distinguish delegates from observers?
Anyone? I’d love to know this (I think it’s really important) and I don’t.
Ural, when you say that he Liberals and NDP are the same thing, I assume that you mean you’d never vote for either. Myself, I would make a distinction, but I guess that’s why we all vote!
Any thoughts?
Jacques Parizeau and his “ethnic vote” comment… simply google it.
Whew…just checked in on the weblog awards thing…Kate, with over 700 votes, and her closest rival has 72…
VOTE EARLY, VOTE OFTEN…well, as often as once every 24 hrs, that is…
Well Crabgrass, you have me convinced that it was a CPC plant and not some anti-semitic Liberal delegate (really now, is there such as thing)who would engage Rae’s wife at the convention.
I going to become a liberal based on comments…now go away, you have a convert
Crabgrass,
It’s been awhile since I was at a convention (never made it to a political one). I recall everyone wearing badges … needed one even to get lunch. I remember glancing at badges when I was talking to those wearing them. Everyone had badges. Maybe things have changed.
Your better off going to rabble.ca if you are seeking someone to agree with you.
Crabgrass: If it walks like a duck and talks like a duck and looks like a duck, chances are its a duck. This looks to be typical of the Liberal mindset.
To try to suggest that neither the LPC or CPC should be held to blame for this campaign because there is no proof of who was behind it is ludicrous in the extreme. The CPC has publicly stood up and supported Israel when the rest of the world (except the US) denounced them. The Liberals were actually supporting the terrorists.
I think you are also suggesting that perhaps this didn’t happen? A copy of the flyer is available for review and the CIC is making statements about it…if it didn’t happen, there’s a lot of fuss about nothing.
You may as well carry on with this reasoning…the CPC probably killed JFK too.
Crabgrass, the following is from CTV:
Sources close to Rae say that his wife, Arlene Perly Rae, was approached during last weekend’s convention by a delegate who didn’t realize she was the candidate’s wife. The delegate told her not to vote for Rae “because his wife is Jewish.”
Now if you are questioning this, then you are (a) calling CTV a liar, (b) calling Mrs. Rae a liar, or (c) doubting Mrs. Rae’s ability to differentiate between a delegate and an observer.
One would expect that Mrs. Rae might have had some experience regarding the latter.
So which is it Crabgrass?
A gift from Arafat to Dion and his wife: Montreal Gazette.
“Or the gift that Yasser Arafat* gave the couple before he died.”
*Yasser Arafat.