By US airforce strike.
Roundups at Instapundit and Pajamas Media. They are hosting a podcast of “Richard Fernandez of the Belmont Club interviewing Omar from Iraq the Model – direct from Baghdad.”
Comments open for celebration.
From the comments, this – On the CBC 6:00 a.m. radio news, the commentator called this an “alleged victory”.
Well, to be fair – not everyone is celebrating.
More reaction from Iraq, IraqPundit
Iraq improved today, though true peace is obviously still far off. There are already reports of more deaths at the hands of terrorists who are now killing only for the sake of murder. Zarqawi’s death is another setback for a campaign that is only about death. The Zarqawi movement has failed to achieve any of its goals. Obviously, it has failed to stop the (often painful) development of Iraqi democratic institutions. Yes, there has been much sectarian violence, more than enough to satisfy those vultures who have been circling what they hope is Iraq’s corpse. But that violence was far from what Zarqawi’s band of killers sought to foment. Indeed, the last time we heard from Zarqawi, in an audiotape released this month, he had been reduced to pleading for an all-out civil war, ordering Iraq’s Sunnis to kill Shiites. But it’s Zarqawi who is dead. Iraq lives. As the Baghdadi man said from his heart, “It has to.”
Vengeance is sweet. This is the filthy pondscum that personally beheaded a hostage on tape.
Zarqawi tentacles reached even into Canada:
His influence was felt as far as the recent arrests in Canada, where the Mississauga News reported that “Zarqawi’s outfit passe[d] on bomb-making manuals, advice on how to sustain terror cells and even ways to use credit card fraud to hack into vital Internet sites” to the accused terror suspects.
http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/012/307cfkcp.asp?pg=2
I have no words for the creepy, indulged, middle-class little roaches attracted to the Kos site. They are too stupid to realized that their seditious and disgusting rooting for the enemy is only safe and a privilege when you live in a democracy protected by a First Amendment, the same democratic protection they root for the Iraqis and Afghans to lose. You can bet that a lot of these little jerks still live off an allowance from their parents. In their whole silly short lives, I bet most of them haven’t had to face anything much more painful than a price increase on their favorite draft beer.
Just to play devil’s advocate:
If you cruise over to CNN; you can watch the airstrike video, see a pic of Zarqawi’s face which looks relatively intact.
I think ‘Zarqawi’ was on the slab for a few days.
If you were in a direct hit by a 500 pounder bomb, then it would be reasonable to expect that everybody in the building would be atomized joining the lengthy list of “Pink Mist Boys”.
Atomized : To reduce to tiny particles or a fine spray.
To have an intact face after a point blank 500 pound bomb explosion just doesn’t make sense.
This guy they are showing was “taken out” some time before the airstrike. The guy should be in fine pieces at best, being shovelled up into a garbage bag.
When you look at the video, the blast blows down the street for something like 3-4 city blocks.
If he was hit by a direct strike there should be close to nothing left but “pink mist”.
An interesting piece of disinformation perhaps?
Try this link:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/06/08/iraq.al.zarqawi/index.html
How about that autopsy to prove the cause of death? Apparently, the authorities were also able to get good fingerprints after a 500 lb blast.
This strains a little credibility.
Maybe a good snipers shot to the chest from about 1-2km would pass plausibility.
Its truely frightening how hateful and spiteful many of the posters on the ‘dailyKak’ are.
Any bit of good news is disbelieved with strident calls for proof and accusations of false reporting.
Yet any bit of news that paints Bush, America or the West in a bad light is instantly accepted and gleefully promoted as true.
The jihad cannot defeat a united West, they quite possibly will defeat a West underminded by traitorous stupid Liberals !
Hans,
come on, take your tin foil off. 😎 The concussion from a 500lb bomb is enough to kill. Hve you ever seen Bomb Damage Assessments (BDA) before and after? I have, it is likely that he was either killed by the concussive blast or by something falling on him, like a big piece of concrete retribution! I do find it interesting that others are trying to put a spin on it, saying they found childrens items nearby. How pathetic, if the terrorists were using innocent children as shields, go to hell Zarqawi, if they are relatives of the terrorists, the terrorists are responsible for their deaths!
I think it is justice that this creep didn’t know it was coming! lights out terrorist Punk! Hans, go easy on the conspiracy theories.
adnabe…There are many different types of victories,even small moral ones.To win the war,you must first be victorious in many individual battles.And whether this is justice or not depends strictly on one’s point of view.Personally,I will accept it as fair justice only if I learn he suffered before he died.But hey,that’s just me!
All the Bush-bashing going on is basically partisan and superfluous.Whether you agree with war or not,these terrorists are on a self-described mission to eradicate our freedoms.Do you understand they want to kill your family and friends?
Which leads to this…To blame the west for suicide bombings is backwards thinking.If you are intent in believing someone must be blamed for these attacks,that’s fine.But remember that by DEFAULT,if you want to BLAME the US for every death,you are defending the terrorists.That is something your post sadly demonstrates.
If you don’t like Bush,no prob,not many of us do!(just look at his UNapproval ratings!)But,that is no excuse to undermine him in a time of war,thus helping the REAL enemy.(that’s muslim extremists,not Bush,in case the MSM has failed to point this out.)
What alternative do you offer?Surely you don’t want the coalition to cut and run and leave the Iraqis exposed to these terrorists and the slaughter that would ensue.
Canoe news says you Westerners are at fault for Muslim Islamist terrorism not the late Z-man (cursed be he). You will be backlashed.
Propaganda from canoenews.
The self-loathing, suicidal left liberals/socialists are allied with Muslim Islamist terrorists. +
al Zarqawi backlash
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Hans – That crossed my mind, too. I was surprised that we could so easily recognize the face following the blast. I saw the video of the bombing first, and wondered how they would be able to identify anybody at all who was inside the structure at the time. I wondered whether they’d be able to determine exactly how many individuals were inside, in fact. When I later saw the picture of Mr. Zarqawi’s face, I was amazed. It could certainly be that the picture is a little older than we’re being told. Days, weeks, we don’t know. The news comes at a good time for Bush (he could do with a story like this every day or so for a few months), and we all know that one of the first casualties of war is um, the uh, the truth. Anyway, it’s good that Zarqawi is gone, no doubt about that.
Abu Musab Zarqawi Liberal Feedback
Orbusmax ^ | 6/8/06
Posted on 06/08/2006 10:32:17 AM PDT by llevrok
This Pacific NW “drudge like” web page is doing a great job today of tracking the liberal response to Zarqawi’s death.
Absolutly amazing (but not surprising)
Link to orbusmax from:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645707/posts
Doug,
The same wind that should blow you into the back pew…a place where people that want to censor opposing views have no audience…a form of conservative-fascism.
Hans has point…however, there were two 500 pounders. Even if you discount the vapourization theory, the incredible pressure from the concussion would cause a human body to go paper thin.
But George W. lie to the American people…come on that is just unthinkable.
C’mon, people, don’t preempt your President, let him declare the end of major operations in the GWOT.
“To blame the west for suicide bombings is backwards thinking.If you are intent in believing someone must be blamed for these attacks,that’s fine.But remember that by DEFAULT,if you want to BLAME the US for every death,you are defending the terrorists.That is something your post sadly demonstrates.”
How is this by default? Blame does not need to be placed exclusively on one group. I think, and I’m sure many others do to, that blame can be placed on the first world, including the US, as well as the terrorist. It is very tough to deny that the US’s support of third world dictators such as Saddam circa 1988, or their lack of aid to the third world havs not facilitated the rise of such people as Zarqawi. Your statement really does imply that this is a black and white issue. I find it hard to believe that these problems can be resolved simply by “going after the bad guy.” Even if you think the States are doing a good job now, the issue of blaming the US still needs to be raised to help ensure that the same mistakes that have occurred in the past decades do not occur again.
S. Baker :
Correction. The US is being blamed by socialistic Liberals. Who are now in a state of bewilderment.If not panic. They know there summer is over. There season is done.
Most Canadians are rational enough to know who the culperates are. Please do not think where all part of there sleezy culture of entitlement & mob mentality.As one poster put it. Just having the budget pass is indicitive of the impotance of these left-lib Elites.
If we win this war , these people will go down in history as enablers of corruption , totolitarianism, with a love of graft.
Some will be outed as traitors all along. Alger Hiss’s , hiding behind a federal government, there own treason.
It will take time for the socialist ediface to crumble.But that its disitergrating is obvious.The lies of come home to roost.Forty years of rotting monolitic institutions that work no more.Based on Collectivism (Wheat Board)or the lowest common denominator.
The left is redoubling its efforts, though even they must know the 60’s are over & the party is done. Its time to clean up.
As for anotyher mass murder done in . I find it heartining that Muslims where invoved in his capture. Cautiously optomistic. Time will tell how this will effect the WOT.
The left picked the wrong horse to run beside.
I see this Country taking amazing steps. Americans I know are envious of Harper as a Leader actually working in the peoples interest, & not there sponsers.
The sense I get is there own legislators, are defying there own electorate over immigration & other issues.It will be interesting to see how many of there skunks will be spaded? These coming term elections.
The was no put down on your post. I just felt you are not giving those who would destroy out Country if ever given power again, there just recognition.
I rejoice the Iraqis have a freer Nation today because of this monsters death.
Jesus was right: Those who live by the sword will die by it.
S. Baker:
Yes, I agree the shock wave produced at point blank would be sufficient to scramble any brains, assuming the target had any that were working correctly. I don’t believe the reporters bothered to report the type of munitions used, other than saying it was a laser guided bomb; which could mean a variety of weapons.
One can visualize the big spiking discontinuity S-wave making its way through the target’s cranium with the resulting rolling eyes as the target collaspes.
As to whether there were children in the vicinity, this would be typical don’t give a damn about human life terrorist modus operandi. If they cared about their own life or anyone elses; suicide bombers wouldn’t exist.
I was PLAYING at devil’s advocate, as opposed to angels advocate which doesn’t apply, so the extra strength tinfoil comes in handy sometimes. 🙂
Cause of death could also have been a piece of concrete encrusted reinforcing steel through the chest, etc.
In any case, we are assured one the vipers has been extinguished.
What will be interesting is to see how the Iraqi situation develops over the next few weeks and months. Will this inspire more jihadists to continue as Al Qaeda has insisted or will the extremists realize that the long term situation is untenable.
This skirmish in repect of Zarqawi, still leaves some wider questions in the Middles East to be resolved.
As suggested some millenia ago:
“I call heaven and earth to witness against you this day, that I have set before you life and death, blessing and curse; therefore choose life, that you and your descendants may live, loving The Lord your God, obeying His voice, and cleaving to Him; for that means life to you and length of days, that you may dwell in the land which The Lord swore to your fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob, to give them.” (Deuteronomy 30:1-20 RSV)
The extremists are consistently choosing death and curse as a matter of policy for themselves and others. Its theological spin doctoring for political purposes. More hate dressed in very red riding theological clothing as “Gods will”.
Of course when referring to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him), the prophets get peace, the rest of us get decapitation, bullets, grenades, fertilzer bombs, and maybe in the future a nuke or two.
Peace is not breaking out all over, as the interpretation of the following verse attests:
In accordance with the Koranic verse “Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them” [8:60]).
The dark theological woods need some bread crumbs so we can all find our way back to grandma’s house. “My what big teeth you have.”
Wolves indeed.
And anotherone
And anotherone
And anotherone bites the dust
Finally got Zarqi the beast.
I heard it took two 500 pound bombs. Can’t be too careful, he was a big guy. He still looks in good shape(for a dead guy). He should have been hamburger. The Hussein brothers looked a lot worse than that and I don’t think they used anything near 1,000 pounds of bombs.
The bigger news is they finally got people for ministries of defense and security. Those two could make the difference between all out civil war and peace.
Syncrodox said:
Both cases bode well for the war on terrorism. The silent majority of Muslims both in the middle east and in the west need to become more vocal.
Indeed! BUT, we have to stop “pussyfooting” around with your multi-culti pieties — to be more robust in our thinking to help the vast majority of muslims develop the courage to speak up. There’s the rub.
KMM. The trouble with “blaming” is that everyone is culpable and we get nowhere. Yes, the Americans are to “blame” but so are the Russians, Chinese, Germans, French, Saudis, Israelis, Palestians etal. Everyone had in the mess we are presently in. The question should be “how do we get out of this” rather than “let’s see who’s to blame?” But let’s connect the dots folks. We are all now supposed to be on the same side – against the terrorists. How can we truly deal with the factors that led to today – be they corruption, poverty and yes, US foreign policy – if we are constantly trying to defend ourselves from these jerks who seek to kill all, even Muslims, who they have deemed (in their self-appointed court)as unworthy and marked for death. How does attacking the US, Canada and Israel get them to understand that some things in the world have to change. Don’t let the terrorists lull you into thinking that if you criticize their enemies, you will be safe. In fact, that type of goodwill is considered weakness to be exploited. We are in this together against the Islamofascists, aren’t we?
Top Ten Ways To Post Like A Conspiracy Lunatic
10. Have no sense of humor, irony or whimsy.
9. The fact that an investigation shows there was no conspiracy does nor prove the conspiracy does not exist. It is evidence that the conspiracy does exist.
8. Use *highlighting*, CAPITAL LETTERS and exclamation points!!!! indiscriminately.
7. Follow up every non-sequitor with “COINCIDENCE?”
6. Find tenuous of connections between a person who debunks your theory and the conspirators.
5. Insert examples of how your personal life has been wrecked because the conspirators know you are on to them.
4. Always put commonly accepted descriptions in quotation marks.
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kmm – with such linear regressive thinking, everyone is to blame for all the problems everywhere.
After all, both Canada and France supported Hussein. So, why absolve them? If you blame one, you must blame all; it’s a network.
And remember, someone, not the US, is to blame for the US behaviour. And someone, not Canada, is to blame for Canadian behaviour. So, you can blame the developing world as well. Don’t absolve them – do you prefer tribalism and tribal ‘justice’ in our modern era?
So, Cockroach, Hans, Grasshopper and all of your other support lending incarnations, when al Zarqawi own family admits he is dead today, what’s the point of advancing your tinfoil hat conspiracy theory? I mean, how dumb is that?
There isn’t a date that any of these swine could get killed on that isn’t about “the timing” with you cretin(s).
….“the incredible pressure from the concussion would cause a human body to go paper thin.”
What, are you a physicist? Get real! And some linkable facts on that one.
It appears that ants straying off the Kos boards aren’t habituated to posting linkable, verifiable facts with their rantings.
Hans Rupprecht at June 8, 2006 01:09 PM
Cut the phony expert crap will you. Sheer, idle, conjecture, bums me out and others I’m sure.
Syncrodox said: (CORRECTION OF EARLIER POST)
Both cases bode well for the war on terrorism. The silent majority of Muslims both in the middle east and in the west need to become more vocal.
Indeed! BUT, we have to stop “pussyfooting” around with *** OUR *** multi-culti pieties — to be more robust in our thinking to help the vast majority of muslims develop the courage to speak up. There’s the rub.
IRAQ: Palestinians flee to borders amid ongoing violence
Posted by NeoOldCon
On 06/08/2006 11:28:49 AM PDT · 3 replies · 168+ views
Reuters ^
IRAQ: Palestinians flee to borders amid ongoing violence 05 Jun 2006 13:53:06 GMT BAGHDAD, 5 June (IRIN) – “Tell the Palestinians in your neighbourhood to leave Iraq or you’ll all be killed,” said one of Luai Sulaiman’s captors after beating him severely and dumping him in the street. …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645743/posts
Z-Man was a Jordanian.
Jordan threw out the “Palestinian refugees”.
Saddam was an ally of the “Palestinians”.
Muslims killing Muslims. …
MemeStreams | Al-Zarqawi’s Jordan family renounces him
The family of al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmed Fadheel Nazzal al-Khalayleh, reiterated their strong allegiance to Jordan’s King Abdullah II in half-page … memestreams.net
Penny, I’m not advancing a conspiracy theory. I do believe that Mr. Z. is dead. That’s pretty fundamental. I don’t think that the US military is providing me with full disclosure of the situation in Iraq, and I don’t expect them to. Caution in accepting immediately as the whole truth what’s been reported this morning doesn’t make one a lunatic. That said, I’d love to get one of those tinfoil hats that everyone’s talking about. They sound pretty sweet!
Penny, google “blast injury” and take your pick of 6,080,000 entries. Actually, the second one is from the CDC and a good overview.
Hans, Grasshopper, steve d. and those others advancing the conspiracy throry that the bombs dropped should have vaporized Z.
Could you please outline your scientific qualifications and/or military/police background used to provide such opinions?
Also perhaps include a plausible reason as to what the US military could possibly gain by misrepresenting the cause of death.
Just wondering…
Penny:
As a matter of fact my degree is in mathematics and physics. My former prof previously worked with the Department of National Defence.
The topic for my Advanced Theoretical Physics lecture was:
Shock Waves (also includes the thermonuclear kind)
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In my post, I did not question the fact that Zarqawi was dead, merely the method and why his corpse as pictured (head shot only) looked relatively undisturbed by TWO 500 lb blasts.
Raising a question, doesn’t qualify as ranting. I don’t think anyone is suddenly going into deep mourning for this person, save his family, given his curriculam vitae in the terror department.
It isn’t the first time that disinformation is given out. eg. CIA papers recently reported that the CIA knew about the whereabouts of Adolf Eichmann in 1958 but didn’t give him up as it may have reflected badly on certain Adenauer government officials in post war West Germany. The Israelis eventually got to him in 1960.
Similarly, the Soviet regime denied killing Polish officers in the Katyn forest for 60 years, until the Russian govt. admitted it with the release of formerly classified documents.
What is wrong with posing the question? I didn’t suggest an answer. Governments as a matter of habit suppress information in times of war. IE WWII, Cold War, etc. We are in a “War on Terror”; it is naive to think that information from either side is full and complete.
If you want to make the argument that some governments are more transparent than others then I would agree with that assessment.
For example, Iran, North Korea aren’t what one would describe as open societies.
President Bush and Prime Minister Blair on the other hand have recently came forth and admitted errors were made in Iraq. In particular, they have expressed regret at making phrases such as “Bring it on.” and the prison abuse at Abu Graib in respect of the conflict in Iraq. They have admitted these facts weren’t particulary helpful.
Of course this was a refreshing piece of honesty, to acknowledge errors and move on. Others, including generals(ret.), have been critical of Rumsfeld in respect of war planning in Iraq, some of it legitimate, other times plainly political posturing.
In times of war, to suggest that a certain amount of disinformation doesn’t go on is quite frankly laughable. Consult any reasonably written text on conflict and it should come through ringingly clear. Belligerents as a matter of course try to confuse the enemy, for a variety of strategic, tactical, and political reasons. When the dust is finally settled these reasons slowly come to light sometimes years later.
To suggest something might not pass a smell test, most corpses don’t, is hardly ranting. Open questioning of policy and fact, is part of a free and democratic society. That Zarqawi’s body wasn’t atomized may just be pure luck; but seems a little odd given two 500 lb blasts.
On the other hand, one Marine involved in removing IEDs, (Iraq) was blown clear of a blast without nary a scratch and walked away.
My own grandfather survived not one but three individual artillery barrage events in which his horse was blown to pieces and he walked away without a scratch. (1914-1918 on a four year stint on the Russian front with 3 Iron Crosses 1st Class for his efforts.) If you were a betting person you would say the odds were against him. Some would say it was a miracle he made it back alive.
So yes penny we can do “shitstorms” analysis.
Unusual, but it can happen.
steve d – how timely. I knew you would soon appear to lend weight….“He should have been hamburger”…to the little coven of conspiracy theory moonbats. Amazing isn’t it, that 4 posters are so timely in examining different aspects of that theme.
“….when referring to Moses, Jesus and Mohammad (Peace Be Upon Him)…..”
A nice touch, Hans. It’s rare that people with a Rupprecht surname are as thoughtful as Muslims in adding the obligatory “Peace Be Upon Him”. Sweet. It establishes you as such a virtuous person.
Here’s my problem with your instructive, all inclusive, little homily:
….the prophets get peace, the rest of us get decapitation, bullets, grenades, fertilizer bombs, and maybe in the future a nuke or two.
How peaceful has it been for Mohammed(Like Dracula Before Him) when he’s been booked on such a tight schedule the last few years with decapitation videos to feature in, jihads, fatwas, cartoonists to annihilate, gay stonings, the burqa clothing business, big and little civilian bombings, soon nuclear Mohammed, etc?
Actually Hans, it happens more often than you think. I have only been to one autopsy involving a large explosion, and the bodies were quite badly mangled and burned. However, I have read a number of texts on the dynamics of explosions, and I can clearly recall more than one incident where bodies in relatively close proximity were left in considerably different conditions…some in very poor condition and others relatively untouched in appearance, but still equally as dead from the concussive force.
Hi, Bruce – please have another quick look at my post – I didn’t intent to draw any conclusions – I was asking questions (mostly to myself), and commenting that I was surprised by how intact his face was (apologies for the gruesome image this may conjure). Anyway, I used to work with a SWAT team in Los Angeles. I’m joking. I haven’t a stitch of expertise in these matters (thankfully). Anyway, there’s a lot of “us vs them” here (usu. left vs. right), and consequently a tendency to see dissent or even hostility where there is none – in too many cases, remarks that reveal an inquisitive nature or heaven forbid, skepticism, are met with flames. I think we’re all glad he’s gone, and I for one pray that this will change things for the better.
For those saying the retributions has begun, get a brain. Those attacks in Bagdad today were not planned in 2 hours. Bombs had to have been made, suicide bombers selected, videos made of their reason. Just happened to come within hours of the death. Imas was talking to a reporter Mike B. in Iraq, and mike said it has already started. Imas (no fan of the war) asked for proof this was retaliation, and who was his source. Mike had to admit he couldn’t be sure, just asssumed. Al Z has caused more innocent deaths than the US troops. He has used civilians and kids to hide, and he has killed many of them. Yes, a woman and child was also killed today, but why were they there. Look at it this way, she can’t produce any more terrorists. I heard a cbc talking female refer to Al Z as Mr. Will the left ever wake up. Some head muslim has called for a summit of all leaders in Canada to discuss extremism in their midst. They must have been reading the blogs and found out, we don’t consider them victims, but terrorists, figure they broke their own windows, and generally have not bought the media spin. They are slowly discovering that this government is different and political correctness is slowly going the way of the dodo bird. Multcult will be next. Too bad the cbc and the ppg are still in the dark. Anyone know what happened to those cdns that went to Iraq before the war to be human shields.
OK, let’s suppose Zarqawi was shot two days ago instead of being bombed yesterday. If he was shot, doubtless some Iraqi informed on his whereabouts, which means it is equally doubtless that said Iraqi is scared poopless for his life (while dreaming of $25 megabucks). Wouldn’t it make sense for the US to protect their source by flattening the place afterwards, and pretending the bomb did him in?
The time for complete honesty about any covert operation is when everyone involved is either dead or has a foot in the grave (cf “Deep Throat”). I’m happy they got him, I don’t particularly care how, and if they have to spin a fairy-story to protect their sources, so be it.
Sheesh. Sometimes I think people today would have expected Eisenhower to send Von Runstadt the D-Day plans ahead of time, asking for his approval.
I thought I would respond to a couple points, I am an expert on BDA, you see I am an active duty U.S. Army Officer – Military Intelligence. What you see is a body that shows blast effect damage. Look at his eyes, he probably had blood running out of his mouth and ears as well.
As far as conspiracy theories? I am waiting for the next leap in technology from the Roswell crash. 😎 The last thing, I was born in Canada and grew up in Alberts. My grandfather homesteaded land by Chitek lake so I can speak with a passing familiarity of CDN history and politics. I am glad that Canada has a new prime minister, but that doesn’t change the reality that most CDNs have their heads in the sand about the threat from ISLAM, whether it is a militant brand or not. DO you really think Canada would be a democracy if Muslims had settled it first? Just something to think about!
Hans, you can have any bio you want on a message board. You might also be a canine savant somewhere in cyberspace just plain lucky on a keyboard for all we know and care. Your bio means nothing. Verifiable links count.
I don’t give a rat’s a$$ if Zarqawi’s mistress shot him, special forces found him at the morgue(if soon to be the new conspiracy theory, I get the royalties) and then put him next to a bombed house. So what. The scum is dead. It’s a war, granted a war you can’t wrap your pathetic all-prophets-are-equal mind around.
PS You think most of us don’t have WWII vets in our families?
David says it’s allright/OK to label Boob Rae,a leadership candidate for the leadership of Liberal Party of Canada, a terrorist stooge.
Remember: David Warren said it: Bob Rae is a Muslim Islamist terrorist stooge. … –
David Warren is in fine form after his vacation…….
“Do not listen to the nonsense that will be argued, increasingly, by the bed-wetters of the Left in our academic and media establishments, who blame the terror not on its perpetrators, but on their own domestic political opponents. In particular, now that Parliament has affirmed our troops will remain in Afghanistan until 2009, anyone who demands a quicker exit should be
publicly labelled as the terrorists’ stooge.”
via newsbeat1.com
Something to keep in mind:
[Bush] did add, “Zarqawi’s death is a severe blow to al Qaeda. It’s a victory in the global war on terror.” But Bush did not mention that it was his invasion of Iraq that fully allied Zarqawi with al Qaeda. Prior to the war, terrorism experts considered Zarqawi more of a rival than a partner. And he did not mention that four years ago–before Zarqawi had become a major terrorist figure and before he had become responsible for the deaths of hundreds (if not thousands)–the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could.
The rest here.
Jane Tabor, sitting in for Mike Duffy, just referred to Al Z as the Al Quaida official from Iraq. She made him appear almost statesman-like.
Phil, thanks for that post. The point I was trying to get across was similar to what you are saying. I realize simply pointing the figure is a poor way to deal with things. Using “blame” was really just poor wording on my part I guess. What I meant to say was, that our western governments have made mistakes and are still making mistakes that I think should be changed. By “blame” I meant we need to make sure the issues are raised in order to ensure the mistakes are not repeated.
“How can we truly deal with the factors that led to today – be they corruption, poverty and yes, US foreign policy – if we are constantly trying to defend ourselves from these jerks who seek to kill all, even Muslims, who they have deemed (in their self-appointed court)as unworthy and marked for death.”
Undoubtedly in places like Iraq it will be very hard, but we have to ensure that if the country stabilizes we provide adequate support to make sure any democracy that does take root is not weakened from lack of first world support.
I think we would both agree on this.
Thanks for the well thought out response,I hope I’m making myself clear.
“four years ago … the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could”
Hindsight is 20/20. The Clinton White House chose not to get bin Laden. You don’t always know everything you need to know at the time.
ET,
if you read my post you’ll see I said the first world including the US. I only used the US as an example, because it was the example that was used throughout the thread. I have my problems with Canadian foreign policy too.
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And remember, someone, not the US, is to blame for the US behaviour. And someone, not Canada, is to blame for Canadian behaviour”
I’m sorry but I don’t have time to name every person in the US who i think is to blame. Referring to the US or socialist or terroists in general seems to be the norm on this site.
…the Bush White House chose not to take him out when it could.
……says, David Corn, a partisan lefty syncophant writer at The Nation, a known left publication.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=17658
So Drago, your point? An established lefty writer from a very lefty magazine writes an anti-Bush article ……and? Keep what in mind?
“kmm – with such linear regressive thinking, everyone is to blame for all the problems everywhere.”
Are you denying that there may be more than one variable that has caused this situation. If not, I don’t understand………well I don’t understand either way. Please explain.
S. Baker:
Well seeing as my expertise is not in dealing with corpses suffering traumatic concussion, I will defer to your experience in this matters.
As to the threat of a radical extremist Islam; no head in the sand here. I am not expecting an alien invasion either. 😎
Given our recent arrests here, I think we have got the “heads up and heads still on our shoulders.”
Given Al Qaeda has suggested the following in their manual the political/theological killer virus is on the loose.
http://www.fas.org/irp/world/para/manualpart1.html
Missions Required of the Military Organization:
The main mission for which the Military Organization is
responsible is:
The overthrow of the godless regimes and their replacement with
an Islamic regime. Other missions consist of the following:
1. Gathering information about the enemy, the land, the
installations, and the neighbors.
2. Kidnaping enemy personnel, documents, secrets, and arms.
3. Assassinating enemy personnel as well as foreign tourists.
4. Freeing the brothers who are captured by the enemy.
5. Spreading rumors and writing statements that instigatepeople against the enemy.
6. Blasting and destroying the places of amusement, immorality,
and sin; not a vital target.
7. Blasting and destroying the embassies and attacking vital
economic centers.
8. Blasting and destroying bridges leading into and out of the cities.
Free inquiry doesn’t mean stupid inquiry. Respect for other faiths doesn’t mean acceptance of violence as a method of political “persuasion” through fear.
Which is also why one has some concern about Iran as they espouse some of the same thinking eg:
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/15E6BF77-6F91-46EE-A4B5-A3CE0E9957EA.htm
Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.
“The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world,” the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.
“The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land,” he said.
“As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map,” said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran’s revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.
His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel’s eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government rallies.
Secondly, it is reported that you have made the statement that the Holocaust did not happen.
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/60AE1720-F333-4869-974D-3B69283105BF.htm
Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, the Iranian president, has again caused international outcry by repeating his view that the Holocaust was a myth.
In a speech broadcast live on state television on Wednesday, Ahmadinejad told a crowd in the southern city of Zahedan: “They have fabricated a legend under the name Massacre of the Jews, and they hold it higher than God himself, religion itself and the prophets themselves.
“If somebody in their country questions God, nobody says anything, but if somebody denies the myth of the massacre of Jews, the Zionist loudspeakers and the governments in the pay of Zionism will start to scream.”
Iranian Constitution it is noted that in respect of an ideological Army:
An Ideological Army
In the formation and equipping of the country’s defence forces, due attention must be paid to faith and ideology as the basic criteria. Accordingly, the Army of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the Islamic Revolutionary Guards Corps are to be organized in conformity with this goal, and they will be responsible not only for guarding and preserving the frontiers of the country, but also for fulfilling the ideological mission of jihad in God’s way; that is, extending the sovereignty of God’s law THROUGHOUT THE WORLD (this is in accordance with the Koranic verse “Prepare against them whatever force you are able to muster, and strings of horses, striking fear into the enemy of God and your enemy, and others besides them” [8:60]).
It has to be plainly obvious to anyone that a hostile and virulent form of faith has taken root in the Islamic community. Further, it is up to their members to begin the arduous task of educating their members in the ways of peace if it is to find acceptance in the western world. There are plenty of passages in the Koran which speak to peace and mercy. It matters on what spin the adherent wants to put on particular passages.
Self-justifying revelation for mindless acts of violence in the long run are going to go nowhere; but the same path as Hitler. So in my view the members of the Islamic community need to be more proactive about the youth that are susceptible to being misled.
Adolf tried the same thing with the Christian faith; I don’t think for a second that the western world is going wait around for a replay this time substituting the Islamic faith.
Try this substitution:
Perhaps we could amend Adolf Hitler’s quote as follows:
Today (Mulims) Christians … stand at the head of [this country]… I pledge that I never will tie myself to parties who want to destroy (Islam) Christianity .. We want to fill our culture again with the (Muslim) Christian spirit … We want to burn out all the recent immoral developments in literature, in the theater, and in the press – in short, we want to burn out the *poison of immorality* which has entered into our whole life and culture as a result of *liberal excess* during the past … (few) years. [The Speeches of Adolph Hitler, 1922-1939, Vol. 1 (London, Oxford University Press, 1942), pg. 871-872]
I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator.
By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord’s work. [Adolph Hitler, Speech, Reichstag, 1936]
Sound familiar? If you don’t see a replay of the past, one has to be willfully blind.
Curious too that the Germans used the Aryans(Iranians) as part of their eschatology of manifest wars of destiny.
Well 40 million people later, perhaps we have had quite enough of “burning out the poison of immorality”.
It is time to leave pseudo-science and pseudo-religion and enter the real world.
So yes, I think all can plainly see the storm clouds gathering.
I see evil, I hear evil, …
Just how big an evil will the West permit before it is too late?
Jesus was right: Those who live by the sword will die by it.
Posted by: Revnant Dream at June 8, 2006 02:35 PM
Uh, Revant, I don’t know how to tell you this but OUR military, representing Canada, is how you say?, living by the sword as we speak.
Do you think this has any bearing on how we will die?
The CBC ran Nick Berg’s latest diatribe today. Reuters and Agence Press got a reaction to Zarquawi death from him, so the MotherCorp naturally thinks this is big news.
I almost certainly wasted my time by sending the following complaint to CBC:
“Why is this judged to be news? Why is the CBC running this piece? Berg is a noted and fanatic hater of Bush. He has close connections with Move.On and other undemocratic anti-Bush organisations. In what way are his views relevant, except as simple anti-American provocation by the CBC?
The CBC is not reporting news with this story, it is deliberately manufacturing it. That Reuters and Agence Press sought Berg out to get totally predictable quotes from a fanatic should be clear even to the blinkered “journalists” of the CBC.”
but it passes the time.
http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/world/14772959.htm
More details on Zaqawi’s demise:
Type of munitions used etc.
adnabee said: “A man died today, along with many innocent civilians. Yes, he was an extremely bad person, and (likely…so we are told) masterminded and/or was involved in many killings.
Is this really a “victory”? Is this “justice”,…”
Yes, adnabee. Hamas, one of the Muslim Islamist terrorist gangs endorsed by the Canadian Union Of Public Employees (CUPE), joins with you in deep mourning. +
Hamas mourns death of Al Zarqawi in ‘savage crusade campaign’
Posted by billorites
On 06/08/2006 3:13:08 PM PDT
Haaretz.com ^ | June 8, 2006 | Reuters
The ruling Palestinian faction Hamas on Thursday deplored the killing by U.S. warplanes of the al Qaeda leader in Iraq Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, describing him as a casualty of a crusade against Arabs and Muslims. Hamas had distanced itself in the past from violence abroad blamed on al Qaeda, but in a statement faxed to Reuters after Zarqawi was killed in a U.S. air strike north of Baghdad on Wednesday,it said it mourned the Jordanian-born insurgent as a “martyr of the (Muslim Arab) nation”. “With hearts full of faith, Hamas commends brother-fighter Abu Musab … who was martyred at the…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645860/posts
AP, Ass-ociated Press uses “militants” instead of Muslim Islamist terrorists. +
Israeli Airstrike Kills Top Hamas Enforcer in Gaza
Posted by pleikumud
On 06/08/2006 2:47:34 PM PDT · 29 replies · 390+ views
Fox News/AP ^ | Thursday, June 08, 2006
FOXNEWS.COM HOME > WORLD Israeli Airstrike Kills Top Hamas Enforcer in Gaza RAFAH, Gaza Strip — An Israeli air strike Thursday on a Palestinian militants’ training camp killed the Hamas government’s security chief, Jamal Abu Samhadana, his militant faction and Palestinian hospital officials said. The Israeli military confirmed striking the Popular Resistance Committees camp in the southern Gaza town of Rafah, saying militants there were planning a large-scale attack on Israel. It said “the camp was the target” when asked if Abu Samhadana, the No. 2 man on Israel’s wanted list, had been the target. His body was incinerated but…
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/browse
It would appear that “rabies” appears to infect those of the right-leaning perspective as they do those of the left-leaning perspective. There have been a few very “rabid” responses to very innocent questions above.
Big bombs and little apparent damage to the body (at least what’s visible)…seems reasonable to raise the question that perhaps some other form of death may have been the cause. But, as Hans admitted and Bruce agreed, anything’s possible.
Simply questioning the presented facts shouldn’t get you labelled as a cretin or terrorist sympathiser. “Trust but verify” as the saying goes…”trust blindly” is foolishness.
Ding dong, the Zed is dead!
Which old Zed?
The wicked old Zed!
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead!
Wake up you sleepy head,
Rub your eyes, get out of bed
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead.
He’s gone where the Muzzies go,
Below, below, below,
Yo Ho!
Let’s open up and sing,
And ring the bells for…
Ding dong the Zed is dead!
Which old Zed?
The wicked old Zed!
Ding dong the wicked Zed is dead!
(apologies to Dorothy and her gang)
Zarqawi’s Final Atrocities
Human Events Online ^ | 06/08/06 | Richard Minitier
Posted on 06/08/2006 2:17:06 PM PDT by MikeA
If you are looking for the legacy of Abu Musab al Zarqawi, do not look in the concrete rubble of so-called safe house in Baqubah that became his final resting place. Instead, look less than 10 miles to the west, on the side of the road in the desert town of Hadid, for a pile of cardboard banana boxes.
Inside those boxes were nine human heads.
Some of the heads still had their blindfolds on. Iraqi police are still attempting to identify the murdered men.
Days earlier, in Baquba, Iraqi police found another eight severed heads. One of those heads belonged to a prominent Sunni Muslim imam, who preached peace and tolerance.
For the past few weeks, U.S. military intelligence analysts had seen a spike in beheadings—a specialty of the Zarqawi network.
Of course, Zarqawi will be remembered chiefly as a beheader. He apparently enjoyed wielding the knife and slowly hacking off the head of Nicholas Berg of West Chester, Pa. In a video that Zarqawi’s followers proudly posted on the Internet, Berg screams in pain in seven long minutes as Zarqawi saws through his neck.
Zarqawi also is believed to have beheaded Eugene Armstrong of Hillsdale, Mich.
Zarqawi is also believed to have beheaded Ken Bigley, the Liverpool, U.K.-based engineer who came to Iraq “to help people,” in October 2004.
Now it is Zarqawi’s own head that is capturing the world’s attention. Displaying his head has several immediate benefits. …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1645838/posts