Bound By Gravity is tracking the Canadian blogs commenting on the leaked Brault testimony, some directly, some obliquely. Captains Quarters has a new post up as well.
update Greg Staples is reporting that CTV news has mentioned that the Brault testimony is on a conservative American website. (See the Rosemary Thompson video)
Stephen Taylor has some thoughts worth checking out.
Now, we are becoming aware of the sordid and symbiotic money laundering scheme between the Liberal Party of Canada, the Government of Canada and Montreal ad agencies. Mix in some organized crime (as reported by the New York Daily News on Nov 18, 2004) and you’ve got a powder keg that will decimate the Liberal brand in Quebec for decades.
At the time of this update, Technorati’s politics link tracker currently has three Brault testimony – Adscam posts in the top 25. Considering the competition with the death of the Pope, that’s astonishing.
Typing keywords like “Jean Brault” testimony into a Google search will bring up any number of blog links to both the Free Republic and Captain Ed.
All in all – going rather swimmingly, Id say.
update 2 – The mainstream comes calling. Actually, I got one as well this evening, though it wasn’t nearly as exciting (nor I as useful).
Update
I suspect that concerns about Canadian bloggers linking directly to Captains Quarters post reporting testimony of the Gomery Inquiry can probably be put to rest. CTV provided the information tonight on the National News to their viewers, naming the blog and displaying the page – a move that would have been cleared by their lawyers before hand. Questions about the validity of the information were also cleared up by CTV’s Ottawa Bureau Chief, Robert Fife – whose comments suggest that the content is probably pretty accurate.
(If you want to see what a CTValanche looks like, Ed’s sitemeter just recorded over 7,000 hits in the last hour).
All of it seems to have a certain misogynist running about huffing that conservative bloggers are “repeatedly, proudly – the violation of a court-ordered publication ban, by linking directly to ban-breaking web sites in other jurisdictions.
That leads me to wonder if we both just play lawyers on the internet.
Websites in “other jurisdictions” by their very definition are not subject to Gomery’s publication ban. American sites may publish whatever their little hearts desire, and it’s their constitutional right to do so. They are not “ban breakers” – for they have no ban to break.
Great….system overload… can’t get it to play…guess I gotta wait .. 🙁
The MSM’s reporting has reached the front page of google news:
http://news.google.ca/nwshp?gl=ca&ned=ca&topic=n
Kate, your dirty little secret is out — Warren Kinsella just revealed to the whole world that you’re actually a guy. For this reason, I am forced to remove you from the list of women that I was going to add to my hareem the moment polygamy is legalized in Canada. It’s nothing personal, you understand.
Hey, I am so a girl!
It’s the beard that confuses people…
Canada’s Scandal: The Government vs. The Blogosphere
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CTV wimped out and pulled the article. It’s been impossible not to compare the courage of Zahra Kazemi to the behaviour of the media in Canada.
Canadians: Linking to CQ May Be Good For Your Freedom
Apr. 4 – Those looking for the link to Captain Ed’s item on Brault’s secret testimony before the Gomery Inquiry have been given a bit of a helping hand by the Canadian media. CTV carried the story but wimped out…
Okay, okay, I accept that you are not a guy. After you confessed that picture of the gal with the motorcycle wasn’t you, however, everything was thrown in doubt. Mea culpa.
And here’s some free legal advice, K: if Bob Fife does something, it doesn’t innoculate you (or any other blogger) from the legal proceedings that might result. The Crown would simply go after Bob plus everyone else, wouldn’t they. “Your Honour, we plead Bob Fife Did It First” is not a defence to contempt with which I am familiar.
I don’t agree with most of what you write, but I would not like to see your enthusiasm get in trouble. Be careful, as your Mom would say.
If the crown goes after one blogger, I can think of it at least fifty more who might be willing to engage in some ‘civil disobedience’ to back up the first. The Crown’s resources are finite.
So is everyone else’s, last time I checked.
Anyway. Talk to one of your friends who is a lawyer, folks. If you doubt me (a regular occurence, I suspect), then get a second opinion.
They’ll tell you the same thing: don’t do it.
I would definitely agree with Warren on getting a second opinion.
I would not accept the advice of a lawyer that sent e-mails around implying that Justice Gomery chose Ogilvy-Renault as lead counsel in order to benefit his daughter.
Does this guy know when to stop?
Warren’s right. I’d be very careful in involving yourselves in the dispersal of this information. Nothing makes a lawyer happier than someone who sends libellous or otherwise illegal info to a wider audience.
The story will emerge in due course. There’s no rush.
Hey Warren, did Jean, your old boss, get a second opinion before he started lobbying Francois Beaudoin for a BDC loan for the Auberge Grand Mere? And it’s funny how Francois lost his job and wound up being harrassed by the RCMP when he said no to the loan and then urged the bank to foreclose on it, isn’t it?
Yeah, I’m sure you learned the value of getting a second opinion from The Master himself.
My, my, you are angry this morning. It’s a sunny day (at least here in Godless Central Canada)! Be happy.
Oh, and you’ve changed the subject. If people want to learn what a contempt citation feels like, feel free to ignore my advice. I would particularly like Moron Don to do so, because I think a stretch in the Longbar Hotel would give him a certain perspective he currently lacks.
Yours faithfully,
W
Oh, c’mon, answer the question. Did Jean get a second opinion before he lobbied the BDC on behalf of the Auberge Grand Mere? It’s not like you’ll be breaking any publication bans. 😉
I’m sorry, it’s just really funny to see a staunch Liberal lecturing others about the ethical observance of Canada’s laws.
Carry on.
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“Stench of Scandal Hangs Over Parliament”
Nealenews.com
Stench: A strong, foul odour; a stink.
Smell the Liberal stink.
Well, for all our differences, I’ll accept Warren’s advice as being sincere, though I can’t help but note the irony of it being delivered by someone who has testified “for the defence” so to speak….
Like the vast majority of bloggers, a careful read will show that I haven’t reproduced any of the information about the testimony on this site, other than what has been gleaned by Canadian media sources.
If Gomery wants to charge us all with contempt, he’ll have his hands full. And then there’s the slight legal inconvenience in the fact that this blog is hosted in the US – meaning I have linked a US site, albeit one that I “own”, to another US site.
Stephanie Rubec has a story in the Sun chain this morning that contains a comment from the commission’s official spokesman. Every blogger should read it, and then carefully consider what to post. Here it is:
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“…Rumours have swirled all weekend about a possible breach of the ban by U.S. newspapers, Internet sites and television stations that are outside Gomery’s reach.
“[Francois] Perreault warned that even if Brault’s testimony has been outed by a U.S. website, it doesn’t mean it’s now public information.
“Anyone who takes that information and diffuses it is liable to be charged with contempt of court,” Perreault said.
“Anybody who reproduces it is at risk…”
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Believe me, folks: collectively or individually, you don’t want issues like where your web site is located, what constitutes “diffusion,” and so on, mooted before a judge by your lawyer. It will rapidly get very expensive and stress-inducing.
I would define “diffusion” as facilitation – that is, providing an actual link to web sites that break the ban.
So don’t do it. Unless you’re Moron Don, of course, who should go right ahead, for the reasons discussed, supra.
Canada’s Watergate – Adscam
The Canadian government is in the midst of a Watergate-style meltdown, and the internet is hastening it’s collapse. Our friend Ed Morrissey has published accounts of testimony before a court that Canadian publications have been banned from reporting on…
I wonder how long it will take Brault’s testimony to show up on the Freenet?
Nice to know America is a different “jurisdiction”. LOL. I link to CQ on my website, but then I’m an American blogging from America. So would people who linked to me be in trouble because I link to the CA post, Warren?
Warren – why would you call me a moron? I never did anything to you.
Please, I tried to spread the Gomery innuendo the best I could like you asked.
Should I say that Brault’s testimony is really just a way for Sally Gomery to get more kickbacks from Ogilvy-Renault?
For those just tuning in….
>From: “Warren Kinsella”
>To: “Don at talkcanada”
>Subject: RE: Hey dude – confidential
>Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 11:08:40 -0400
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>She is indeed.
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>Wonder how Ogilvy’s got that sole-source, multi-million dollar assignment as commission counsel?
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>What a coincidence.
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>—–Original Message—–
>From: Don at talkcanada [mailto:talkcanada@hotmail.com]
>Sent: Thursday, October 07, 2004 10:56 AM
>To: Warren Kinsella
>Subject: RE: Hey dude – confidential
>
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>Is she John’s daughter?
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>Don.
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> >From: “Warren Kinsella”
> >To:
> >Subject: Hey dude – confidential
> >Date: Thu, 7 Oct 2004 09:59:39 -0400
> >
> >Was going to put this up on my site, and then thought it might be something
> >we could have fun with in the blogosphere. Just don’t source me. Over to
> >you:
> >* This [LINK: http://www.ogilvyrenault.com/en/biographies/bio.jsp?id=4905
> >] is an interesting coincidence. When you consider this [LINK:
> >http://radio-canada.ca/nouvelles/Politique/nouvelles/200409/07/001-commission-gomery.shtml
> > ].
> >
> >
> >Warren Kinsella, LL.B
Hey, what are you complaining about Don? You know that you’ve *arrived* when a leftie hangs a nick-name on you. “Moron Don”. “Police State Kate”. I’m anxiously awaiting the day when I get called “Leprauchaun Sean” — then I’ll be one of the cool kids too!
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I wonder – if a Canadian (Mark Steyn) were writing about the testimony for a British or American newspaper, is he subject to the publication ban?
Have any of the legal naysayers even paused to consider the legal quagmire that prosecuting a Canadian who links a US website to another US website would step into?
“I wonder – if a Canadian (Mark Steyn) were writing about the testimony for a British or American newspaper, is he subject to the publication ban?”
No – but he couldn’t be published because it wouldn’t qualify as CanCon, according to the CRTC, unless the copy editor was also Canadian.
Cheers,
Dean
Wow, the cockroaches are grasping at straws to suppress the truth, aren’t they!
Adscam, Canada, Censorship and the Gomery Enquiry.
This isn’t a story that’s had much play on this side of the Atlantic but as it’s about (probably) to cause a Candian election and if so, highly likely to bring down the Liberal minority govt. of Paul Martin, perhaps
As a Canadian being denied my rightful access to the truth I am grateful for these blog sites – thank god for the internet. As the owner of one of these sites I wouldn’t recommend you visit Canada anytime soon thought – they might try to lock you up. Our corruption levels are becoming a bit too much like the third world up here.
Since everyone is uniformly concerned about respect for the law, we should dig as deeply as possible in the matter and worry about the peripheral issues later. Once we finish all the investigations and trials required to purge government, we will see if we have any resources left over to prosecute the citizens.
Will Blogs Bring Down Canada’s Government?
The Liberal Party of Canada has a problem. Apparently the party apparatus has been looting Canada’s treasury to support its electioneering for almost a decade, funneling money through dummy government contractors. Under the claim that they must protect…
“Believe me, folks: collectively or individually, you don’t want issues like where your web site is located, what constitutes “diffusion,” and so on, mooted before a judge by your lawyer. It will rapidly get very expensive and stress-inducing.”
Lets be clear about this.
I represent the group of concerned citizens who are very upset about this protest you are spearheading�.
Oh, for the love of Christ! “This protest you are spearheading,” etc. etc.
Listen, I’ve changed my mind. Go right ahead, rightist bloggers. Knock yourself out. Link to that pro-gun nutjob down in the States. I’m sure you won’t get in trouble at all. All of those friendly warnings I gave before? Ignore ’em.
And, when you get settled in your new place of residence, send me your address, okay?
And visiting hours, too.
Ralphie, Log off. That cookie sh*t makes me nervous.
“Link to that pro-gun nutjob down in the States. I’m sure you won’t get in trouble at all.”
Funny words coming from someone who has said on record that he owns a gun. I don’t by the way, I guess I’m not as inclined towards violence as you are. It must be a ‘Liberal’ thing (like stealing).
Is it just me or does warren-baby sound exactly like that doofus Robert (or Rube-rt) McClelland (sic, who cares).
Same BS slander and childish name calling. Wow, I bet that Rube-rt is his other personna.
So Warren, what part did you play on the Libranos? I bet it was the same one that Joe Pantoliano did on the Sopranos. Some silly wannabe that ended up done in by his boss.
Yeah, that’s you.
You know, while we are debating prison sentences, I bet the lengths of those given to the those in the Fiberal Party of Canada will be much longer.
Party on warren baby and don’t spend all your Quarters on Captains 😉
It’ll be interesting to see exactly who settles into a new residence when the dust settles.
For someone who has been belittling “Gomery Pyle” for the past few months, it’s certainly a 180 degree turn we’re witnessing in his sudden urge for “respect for the process”….
A CROSS-BORDER SCOOP
Unless you’ve been living on another planet I guess most of you are now up to speed with the publication ban in Canada on a number of testimonies before a public inquiry into the misappropriation of public funds (the “Gomery…
Well – its now 11 of the top 25 on Technorati’s politics – that reference canadian judicial gagging of the media and the public right to communicate.
What’s with judges these days? First, they think they have a right to legislate (in the US) – and now a Canadian judge is so stupid as to believe he can simply gag the public – while he personally endangers a witness by allowing public testimony that would incriminate the witness – and a hell of lot of others (that the judge hopes to protect – apparently.) [the ‘others’ – that is…]
Ahem… this ‘judge’ should be given his walking papers FAST – because he’s, 1) far too stupid to be a judge, and 2) because he believes he has the right to tell everyone they can’t communicate details of public testimony!
Warren’s not intimidating anybody. It isn’t a breach of the order to post a link to the Captain’s Quarters.
Or perhaps Warren is just demonstrating, yet again, his professional incompetence? Let’s walk through it, Warr. Your client is charged with breaching the order by posting material on his web site. Your first question in cross-examination of the Crown’s witness will be…?
Sorry, that’s too hard for a charlatan. Here’s the answer.
“Sir, when you visited the accused’s website, what evidence from the inquiry did you find posted there?”
If he answers, “None”, game over. If he answers, “I found a link to the Captain’s Quarters, where all the evidence was laid out”, here’s the next question:
“Would you show us in the inquiry transcript exactly where in the evidence Mr. Brault referred to the web address of the Captain’s Quarters?”
This evidence isn’t secret. Anyone who wants to learn all about it is free to do so. The ban is on publication; so that it isn’t thrust onto citizens who aren’t interested, so that disinterested citizens can be found to make up an unprejudiced jury. None of these bloggers have published the evidence, or posted it to a website.
This is all over your head, Warren, I know, but it looks like you’ll have time to learn this stuff in the prison library. Do yourself a favour, by the way, and don’t ever again do anything that looks like an attempt to intimidate Kate. There are people out there who feel very protective toward Kate, and many of them are extremely dangerous and have nothing to lose. There, now we’ve shared friendly advice.
This is all new to me, this blogging! I must admit though that I like it!
I knew about the info despite the pub ban. And why shouldnt I? This is, after all, my money thats been squandered! Its not alot in the big picture, but Im sure that theres more of this out there.
Dont tell me that the gun registry really cost a billion (or two)dollars.
This guy Warren, what a piece of work! Telling you what not to do to be safe, you dont want to go to jail! What a joke!
Someone else, covering up and trying to hush up the people who want to know!
Just remember, you are a citizen! And, your a source of revenue! Your taxes are necessary, as only half of the Liberal Party MPs have received their plasma TVs in their office.
Dont, please, dont f*ck this up for them. The other Liberals should be recieving their plasmas soon, and they really want feel equal, with the cabinet ministers.
Your messing up the plan. They realy do want those plasma TVs!