(Note: I’ve done a slight revision in construction, not content of the original post.)
Globe And Mail;
The B.C. Human Rights Tribunal has just finished hearing Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith’s claim that the Knights, a Roman Catholic men’s fraternal and philanthropic society, discriminated against the couple by refusing to rent the hall to them after learning it was for a same-sex wedding reception.
The Knights, adhering to church teaching, which is against homosexual marriage, cancelled a rental contract that had been signed, returned the couple’s deposit and paid for both the rental of a new hall and the reprinting of wedding invitations after Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith complained that invitations listing the hall’s address for their reception had been mailed.
That was in September, 2003. In October, the couple complained to the Human Rights Tribunal, which heard the case last week. A decision is not expected for months.
I like this part;
Both sides agreed that freedom of religion could be a “bona fide and reasonable justification to discriminate” but lawyer barbara findlay, representing Ms. Chymyshyn and Ms. Smith, says it wasn’t operable in this case.
Ms. findlay, who does not use capital letters in the spelling of her name…
(Sounds like Ms. findlay has some “issues” … is there some exotic pheromone that draws moonbats to argue these cases?)
I hold no particular religious beliefs. My support for preserving the traditional definition of marriage is rooted in basic anthropology and solidified by a suspicion that same-sex marriage has more to do with forwarding the agenda of the extreme left than it does with concerns about minority rights. If minority rights were truly the issue at stake, there would be full-out legislative war between the Federal Government and province of Quebec over minority language rights.
The secular left advancing same-sex marriage legislation in Canada purports to have a deep commitment to protecting religious freedom from erosion by homosexual rights advocacy. In reality, that commitment amounts to little more than a winking promise to allow people to “believe in something that doesn’t exist”.
So, when push comes to shove, the “truth” of state-defined equality rights will always trump the “false” God-defined morality. For those who are merely unconvinced of the existance of God, it’s a conclusion based on logic. For the left, however, the question of religion is much more problematic, for it strikes at the heart of their own belief system. Freedom of religion acknowledges the possible existance of an authority higher than that of the state, and as far as the left is concerned, that’s a notion dangerous to their own ideology.
When one views religious freedom as nothing more significant than “tolerance of those who believe in something that doesn’t exist”, it goes a long way in explaining why the secular left sees no contradiction in public policy makers who claim to be devout followers of their faith, and in the next breath declare it is possible – even preferable – to “set aside their personal religious convictions” to enact legislation that is in flat contradiction to the teachings of their church.
To a person who holds strong moral principles – be they based upon divine teachings, or be they based on a profound sense that certain principles are fundamental to a stable and just society – such a contradiction is not possible. One does not compromise on one’s core moral values. You either adhere to them, or you didn’t have them in the first place.
When an individual’s principles come into opposition with the demands of public office, one of two options are available. The honourable one is to fight to uphold them in the debate over public policy, and if the two prove to be incompatable – to step aside.
The dishonourable, and far more common solution is to declare that core principles are subject to a public policy time clock – that they can be punched out at the door and punched back in when you leave, that devotion to one’s religion can be toggled like the on/off switch of a church organ.
It is not by accident that we have in public office a preponderance of individuals of the latter variety, whose principles are conditional – conditional on the party whip, conditional on the latest polls and focus group findings, conditional to the pressure of lobby groups and party fundraisers.
Just some advice from this ambivalent atheist – it is folly to trust such people with your religious freedoms. If they’ll set aside their own fundamental beliefs for political gain – they’ll set aside yours.

I see Todd and Daryl think they have the authority to decide what words mean. You don’t. Marriage by definiton is between a man and a woman. That’s not what it means “to me”. That’s what it means, period.
You are just as free to get married as Kate is. You choose not to. Why do lack the integrity to live with the consequences? You’ve chosen to set up a household with another man. WHy should you be treated any differently than any other two housemates of the same sex?
And by the way, redefining marriage is a radical chabge in the law. No one has to justify opposing it. The law should not change without good reason. You have to supply the good reason. You’re not doing it. Instead you just lie about “discrimination” from which you obviously do not suffer, and “rights’ which you obviously do not and cannot have.
ebt,
First, you don’t seem to understand what being gay is. Gay men have, by nature, romantic and physical attraction towards other men. You’re right, I could *choose* to marry a woman, but since I am gay, I have no interest in pursuing a relationship with a woman.
My relationship with Todd is based upon love, mutual respect, and trust. It is as good and valid as that of any opposite-sex couple, and therefore should be legally recognized as equal by the state. It certainly does not deserve to be trivialized by saying we’re just “housemates”.
The fact that an opposite-sex couple has greater legal benefits for than a same-sex couple is in itself “the good reason” for the law to be changed. It creates a hierarchy where one type of relationship is deemed superior to another. You seem to either deny that an inequality exists, or that if it exists, it is justified. Clearly our legal system disagrees with you on either point.
I’ve already stated my compromise on the use of the word “marriage” if that’s what bothering you. And no, I don’t have the authority to change what words mean. Neither do you, despite your arbitrary statements. Our lawmakers do have the power to change the legal definition of marriage, however. If you object so strongly then I suggest you contact your MP and make your views know to him or her.
“I see Todd and Daryl think they have the authority to decide what words mean. You don’t. Marriage by definiton is between a man and a woman. That’s not what it means “to me”. That’s what it means, period.”
I have never known language to be unchanging. Plants and animals do not change our language.
Here’s George Bernard Shaw’s definition of marriage: “When two people are under the influence of the most violent, most insane, most delusive, and most transient of passions, they are required to swear that they will remain in that excited, abnormal, and exhausting condition until death do them part.”
It’s not a change in “language”, TZ. It’s an attempt to paint same sex unions as something they are not, in a doomed pretense that they represent something they are not.
It’s somewhat akin to people who decide to undergo “gender reassignment”. You can have your genitals surgically altered, you can take hormones, you can have the state declare you “female” on a drivers license and demand equal access to ladies restrooms, but honey – of you were born with a Y chromosome, you ain’t female. And it doesn’t matter how many legal hoops you jump through (and force others to accept), nobody is going to consider you a woman.
Gay “marriage”? Window dressing of a similar type. I have sympathy for people who feel “left out” by an accident of biology or circumstance, but I don’t extend that to pretense that one can change the metaphysics of what makes a thing, a thing, by expanding the legal nomenclature to include things that are not.
My reply is long, so I’ve posted it on my blog instead, so as not to monopolize your comments. I’ve tracked back to this post for those who want to read what I have to say. Cheers, tz.
I don’t know if I pinged the right url. *shrug*
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