Wuhan Flu

Wuhan Flu 48 Comments

A bit of good news.

Medical authorities in China have said a drug used in Japan to treat new strains of influenza appeared to be effective in coronavirus patients, Japanese media said on Wednesday.
 
Zhang Xinmin, an official at China’s science and technology ministry, said favipiravir, developed by a subsidiary of Fujifilm, had produced encouraging outcomes in clinical trials in Wuhan and Shenzhen involving 340 patients.
 
“It has a high degree of safety and is clearly effective in treatment,” Zhang told reporters on Tuesday.
 

Patients who were given the medicine in Shenzhen turned negative for the virus after a median of four days after becoming positive, compared with a median of 11 days for those who were not treated with the drug, public broadcaster NHK said.
 
In addition, X-rays confirmed improvements in lung condition in about 91% of the patients who were treated with favipiravir, compared to 62% or those without the drug.
 
Fujifilm Toyama Chemical, which developed the drug – also known as Avigan – in 2014, has declined to comment on the claims.

It’s not effective in advanced cases, but antivirals that help moderately sick people from getting worse is progress.

48 Replies to “Wuhan Flu”

  1. Aaaaand the Chinese promise to sell it cheap to Canada if Trudeau gives them……..Saskatchewan.

      3. “The Chinese can have the Saskatchawhiners for all I care.” – UmMe

        We know, that’s exactly why any of your comments @ SDA are truly worthless.

        1. I’m getting pretty close to a comments quarantine for some. And I have the time to do it.

  2. “Medical authorities in China have said…”

    This is finally some good news but I can’t help asking if these are the same “medical authorities” that sat on this Wuhan thingy for a month?

    Just wondering.

      1. Guess that’s what Trudeau was relying on to justify his inaction?

        That assumes he’s capable of making a decision, let alone one which results in taking no action.

  3. “But a Japanese health ministry source suggested the drug was not as effective in people with more severe symptoms. “We’ve given Avigan to 70 to 80 people, but it doesn’t seem to work that well when the virus has already multiplied,” the source told the Mainichi Shimbun.”

    At least if people can get it ASAP then the virus can be slowed down and stopped sooner than not having anything. This drug may not be perfect but it looks like it may be just good enough for now until a full cure can be found.

    1. The Aussies are also testing a combo of quinine and an HIV drig. The good news here is that a years testing for safety is not required, And, also, it is widely available.

      1. Robert – I posted earlier:
        An effective treatment for #Coronavirus #COVID-19 has been found in a common anti-malarial drug (chloroquine). Excerpts from three studies, including one published in Nature… Korea and China both found it worked as a prevention and a treatment (not a cure).

        “…it can be implemented today in the U.S., Europe and the rest of the world. Medical doctors may be reluctant to prescribe chloroquine to treat COVID-19 since it is not FDA approved for this use.”

        I tried to post it last night for an hour but no luck. Again this morning. It only worked when I deleted the link to Wattsupwiththat. Go to the website, it should be right there.

  4. Our socialized medical system is awesome!

    My father-in-law was moved from St B in Winnipeg to another hospital in East Kildonan. He has been in hospital for almost a month after a fall at which point his bowels stopped working He aspirated fecal/stomach matter and had an infection in lungs. Upon arriving at lower care hospital they noticed his cough (wet deep cough not dry) and put him in solitary for fear of COVID, which is a prudent thing to do.

    However he has been there nearly 24 hours without treatment, no IV, and an inability to swallow water. I guess they are withholding hydration in the hope he gives up the ghost and they provide his bed to someone else. Don’t think for a second that there aren’t death panels in our system.

    1. My father in law was booted out of a hospital and sent to a nursing home. They said he might not survive a bypass but they sure knew he wouldn’t survive the nursing home without constant treatment. He died on cue in less than a week.

    2. Well, no, a dry cough is symptomatic of the Lurghi. I’m hearing on the radio that local hospitals are a horror show, but there are not that many cases in Ottawa. So it must be due to people clamouring for treatment; people clamouring for tests (there seems to be a reluctance of governmetns to actually test for the disease) or makling room for people with the disease who are in a bad way, which is difficult if everyone is to get intensive care. Also, locally, I heard on the radio again, that some doctors don’t want to come into work for fear of getting the disease.

      The last is beyond my comprehension. What did they think being a doctor entailed other than treating thee sick; these are obviously not good doctors because they would understand the disease, unless they are so weak-minded they succumb to government fear propaganda.

      1. Testing for the corona virus is diagnostic, not random, i.e., you’re tested if you have symptoms or were thought to have been exposed to someone with the virus. Makes sense to me that, without actual cause, you can’t just show up and demand to be tested.

  7. Over at Watts Up the chloroquine post has been updated.

    Roy Spencer has run the data and
    Virtually no cases of covid in countries with malaria- because they take anti malarial drugs which stops covid.

    1. people in malaria-ridden countries do not take anti-malarial drugs – they’re naturally immune to malaria, usually because of acquired changes to their hemoglobin. 140 million Nigerians are not taking regular anti-malarials, that would be unheard of.

      1. Fair enough Keemin – but the data in all the other studies shows that Chloroquine is extremely effective

      2. “people in malaria-ridden countries do not take anti-malarial drugs – they’re naturally immune to malaria, usually because of acquired changes to their hemoglobin.”

        Wrong. The sickle cell trait is less than 1 in 4. That’s only 25% on the population at best. If the individual has one sickle cell allele then they are immune to malaria, but if they have two sickle cell alleles they will be immune to malaria but have sickle cell anemia and die an early death from that disease.
        Not everyone who lives in these so-called “malaria ridden” countries are bitten by malaria mosquitoes. As counter intuitive as it seems the worst malaria outbreaks on the planet occur in Siberia, northern Russia. Not many people with the sickle cell allele live there, it’s a Negro genetic trait. In the U.S.A. only 3% of American Negros have the sickle cell trait.

  8. My coworkers and were discussing the “really bad flu” that passed thru our community. We applied the differential diagnosis for Wuhan and realized that Wuhan had come thru.

    One wife had severe respiratory distress during that time and he took her to the hospital. “It’s a virus. There’s nothing we can do.”

    I won’t name the town as there is already panic and overreaction running rampant. My workplace went into lockdown and the boss and I got into an argument. My point was that it was already too late and he should stop panicking. I asked how long he was doing the lockdown and he refused to answer. When I asked if everyone In the office went grocery shopping and so on he went purple and refused to answer. Then he threw me out.

    The next day the lockdown was over.

    I am sure he listens to the MSM and did not do independent research. It was a case of not knowing and feeling he had to do something. Anything.

  11. Have to ask Kate

    Why is your site deleting the you tube videos of

    Dr. Wolfgang Wodarg

    No free speech here or wtf???

    Robert was in charge during that escaped if no free speech is allowed on SDA then why bother posting people

    1. “No free speech here or wtf???”

      Of courser not. Kate pays the bills, Kate sets the rules. We’re guests here and are to act in a way she feels like tolerating today. Don’t like it? Go somewhere else.
      And she has been extraordinarily tolerant over the years. Otherwise, I would have been banned long ago.
      During all the years I have been posting here I found that those who bitch about her censorship are without exception nutcases or particularly toxic trolls. You are probably both.

      1. I tried for two hours yesterday and today to post a link regarding chloroquine, “An effective treatment for #Coronavirus #COVID-19 has been found in a common anti-malarial drug”. It only worked when I didn’t include the link to Wattsupwiththat in the post.

        Pretty sure Kate isn’t deleting links to long time ally Anthony Watts. Something else must be going on.

      2. “And she has been extraordinarily tolerant over the years. Otherwise, I would have been banned long ago.”

        Same here. Kate is very tolerant of differing views too. She clearly wants a spicy ruff and tumble discussion. But free. No.
        I’ve had plenty deleted, not necessarily by Kate, though. Mostly by her trusted Co-Bloggers who are apparently less tolerant.
        Used to be a guy named Vitruvius. Boy, was he intolerant. Claimed he was a founder of the Alberta Libertarian Party, Vito did.

    2. Outside some caught in spam that had gone stale, (or asked for it by posting multiple links), I’ve deleted exactly zero comments.

      But I’m about to begin, starting with those who insist on changing their id with every post. Enough.

  12. Justin shipped 16 tonnes of medical equipment to China in Feb.

    Now the Feds are scrambling for medical supplies.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/torontosun.com/news/national/furey-canada-just-gave-16-tonnes-of-medical-supplies-to-china-lets-hope-they-return-the-favour/amp

    Guess he’s hoping China will return the favour?

    It might have made sense to do that. Time will tell.

    But Canada and the USA will have to address medical supply chains, and bring more capability back into Canada and the USA.

    I think China will have a second round of the Wuhan virus.

    1. Angel

      I’m a very severe critic of Justin Trudeau. But if I had been in his shoes I might have done the same thing. Why?

      Simple; much if not most of our drug supply is made in China. If they stop sending medical supplies to us we are really screwed.

      When I was working, I participated in many risk assessment workshops and seminars. I used to tell people that the biggest risks society faces are viruses and drug resistant bacteria.

      People laughed.

      I read a lot. I read a book about Teddy Roosevelt and Taft. Both visited tropical countries and came back with festering abscesses that took months to heal. This was before antibiotics. An uncle of mine died in childhood from an infection. No antibiotics.

      Will governments learn the lesson? Not in the instant solution age. The twitterverse has spawned a planet of twits.

      As a species, and as a country we will survive the pandemic. But the death total is going to be too high. Will we learn from this and build robustness into our health system and supply chains? Maybe.

      2. Kissing the ass’s of China’s dictators only makes Turdeau their favoured proxy puppet of the day. He sold the rest of us out, then went and hid in a protected armed bunker.

        Why are we relying on China for anything? period.

  13. Consider any reports of miracle cures fake news.

    No bioweapon developer worth his diploma from a western university would have made it that easy to treat Wuhan virus.

    What we need is a vaccine. The Politburo have already got it. Your loved ones won’t, not while the outcome of the presidential election is at all in doubt.

    1. I was embarrassed and ashamed that Tucker Carlson had some QUACK on his program tonight claiming some French Dr. had produced a 100% “cure” rate by using quinine. The man just dripped “quack” … trying to leverage Carlson’s viewership for some legitimacy. Sorry. I’m not buying it.

  15. A bit of better news.

    …and countries with many COVID-19 cases have little to no malaria.

    This subject has been making the rounds in recent days, much more in social media and lesser-known news outlets and not so much the mainstream media…

    There is now considerable evidence from several countries (China, S. Korea, France, others?) that anti-malarial drugs, especially chloroquine, is effective at greatly reducing COVID-19 symptoms, and possibly preventing infection in the first place.

    http://www.drroyspencer.com/2020/03/some-covid-19-vs-malaria-numbers-countries-with-malaria-have-virtually-no-coronavirus-cases-reported/

  16. Remember what Prinz Dummkopf said about “enhanced screening”? Government agents in Toronto apparently don’t:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPWfD7-Q4qU

    As I said on another thread, if Prinz Dummkopf tells me that the sun is shining, I’ll look out the window to make sure.

  18. Un me has never contributed anything of value on here. I dont usually read what it posts but sometimes I inadvertantly read his single line responses.
    Cut him loose.

    1. You’re underestimating the entertainment value, IMO.

      I also find that trying to explain to UnMe forces me to look at things in different ways and ensures I really understand them. Rather like Napoleon’s staff officer who had to understand any message before it went out to the troops.

    2. Though the wisdom of respected contributors here has no doubt been wasted on un me, I have learned a number of things that I would not have known had it not attempted to to deceive us. So I guess I should be grateful to it for provoking truth speakers.

  20. Let us see now.

    This site, FactCheck.org®, sez:
    Coronavirus Wasn’t Sent by ‘Spy’ From Canada
    https://www.factcheck.org/2020/01/coronavirus-wasnt-sent-by-spy-from-canada/

    … is trying to justify reports by CBC and other Canadian offices that the two Chinese researches are just a nice wise couple.
    OK.
    Fact is that these two and some of their Chinese students were sent packing.
    Fact is that RCMP was investigating them “policy breach” and “administrative matter.” As reported by the Cee Bee Cee.
    So let’s analyse this.

    FactCheck writes:
    – “A later CBC story, though, cited government travel documents that show Qiu was invited to the Wuhan National Biosafety Laboratory of the Chinese Academy of Sciences.”

    Then they write that he went to other laboratories. That he went to other laboratories in other cities is plainly an attempt at diversion, the point of fact is that he went to Wuhan.

    FactCheck writes:
    – “According to the CBC story, Dr. Xiangguo Qiu was escorted from the lab amid an investigation by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police into a possible “policy breach.”

    Actually, “policy breach” could mean that they have done something illegal. In so far as anything goes it is true information unless the RCMP explains what the “policy breach” means
    This is just going deeper in the mud

    FactCheck writes:
    – “Morrissette, the agency spokesman, told us that, “for privacy reasons,” the agency wouldn’t comment further than to confirm that the tweet was spreading misinformation.”

    ”for privacy reasons” can mean anything that anybody wants it to mean and “would not comment further” is clearly covering something up.

    FactCheck writes:
    – “That CBC story also says nothing of the coronavirus or the shipment of “pathogens.”
    – “A third CBC story in August reported that the Winnipeg lab had sent two viruses — Ebola and Henipah to Beijing on March 31.”

    It is true that it says nothing about the coronavirus or pathogens, though it plays semantics with “pathogens”* and viruses*, the definitions in this case are not critical. A regular guy, non-bottom feeder, does not look for differences in the two words.
    *pathogen – a bacterium, virus, or other microorganism that can cause disease.
    It’s the first thing that comes in search.

    FactCheck writes:
    – “It didn’t connect Qiu, specifically, to that shipment, but it referred to the investigation, saying, “while the Public Health Agency of Canada says all federal policies were followed, there are questions about whether that shipment is part of an ongoing RCMP investigation.”

    That it did not connect Qiu “specifically” to the shipment does not mean that it did not connect in general, may not have, though they just muddy the waters.
    – “There are questions”
    Well, what are they?

    The FactCheck is not better than no check. Goes from a puddle into mud.
    If the CeeBeeCee writes stuff and leaves various parts hanging, anybody can make whatever stuff and can be right.
    Could be just the omissions and obfuscations. The CeeBeeCee “journalists” don’t know and are not interested to find out.
    Another institution of sinecure.

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