After breaking into residents’ homes to seize them: “The guns will be returned to owners after residents are allowed back in town and they provide proof of ownership…”
You don’t say;
Will be tougher down the road to get people to evacuate in a disaster now that we know RCMP will root through our personal stuff #abflood
— Cory Morgan (@CoryBMorgan) June 28, 2013
Update: PMO to RCMP: Give back the High River guns
h/t Rick
(11:23am – bumped)
I think those RCMP officers put on the wrong shirts this morning. They should have worn their brown ones.
If I were into conspiracy theories I might suggest that the RCMP ‘stealing’ legally owned guns and Doug Griffiths’ extremely abusive threats to the residents of High River that stayed home is connected to the fact that the local MLA is also the Leader of the Opposition.
On the other hand I heard that the RCMP also confiscated legally owned guns in Slave Lake after the fire.
Hey…Jono is on it… https://twitter.com/MinisterJono/status/350434451123220480
Should residents of High River check to ensure their underwear drawer hasn’t been gone through as well?
Were the guns taken out of their gun safes? How? Were the locks broken? If the locks were broken, will these people be charged with having insecurely stored their private property?
Who will pay for the house doors that were broken?
Did the RCMP break into all the houses in High River? or did they only access the ones they knew had guns inside?
Who will pay for the broken gun locks? who will pay for gun safes that were forced open?
How exactly will you prove that said gun is yours? Oh; that’s easy; you can just produce the registration slip. I’m sure they didn’t bother to record where each gun came from or they wouldn’t need proof of ownership.
How did they secure the residences after forced break-in? Are they open to thieves?
Sounds like we have a subversive high level operative at work here.
I hope someone stays on top of this and reports to this blog.
The real problem here is that Police Officers do not swear an oath to the Constitution.
They Swear an oath to a Government operative.
Canadians do have a right to a firearm for self defense. That right was just upheld in decisions by the Supreme Court of BC, and a lower Court in Ontario this year.
And the extreme Left be damned.
Two questions come to mind: 1) Assuming the police didn’t break into every home in search of firearms, how did they know which houses to pilfer; and, 2) How should one of the victims of these break and enters “prove ownership”?
In a town under evacuation order, where all access is controlled by police, what possible justification could there be for seizing firearms? The police didn’t take every flat screen tv, automobile, or laptop computer into custody for safekeeping, so why take firearms?
Apparently the guns were just bobbing around in the flood water…
I live in High River and am livid! The assholes broke down my door and now wander through my house. What else did they swipe?
And as for Danielle she has been great! Asshat Conservatives kicked her our of EOC meetings for political reasons. We wont forget!
“Hey RCMP…you stole my gun.”
“Can you prove you owned it?”
“It was in my gun safe!”
“I’m sorry…we have no record of that…the Conservatives destroyed the registry.”
Pamela the RCMP lost a car today in a sinkhole, I feel for you people but the reason David Swann in a pantsuit was absent from that meeting, was the same reason I was absent at the last board meeting of Microsoft,,,I had no business at the last board meeting of Microsoft,,get it. You people have a very smart mayor, when Emile says it is safe, it will be safe, politics have no place in a disaster, and High River is a disaster, anyone who would do crass politics, with no authority to even serve free hot dogs, on the backs of people who have gone through this hell, is no kind of leader, this is a time to pull together, not nit pick like a pack of jungle monkeys.
All hail Emile…
Somewhere, somehow, this once respected institution has been usurped by jackbooted thugs … at the top level.
Shit! Was ready for a rant, but I don’t want to say right now what I’m thinking!! later.
Hard to tell the diff. these days between a cop and a thief in my opinion.
I suppose they know this kind of action will destroy any kind of respect people had for them.
might as well give the hells angels badges.
looks like we have!
How do you show proof of ownership of firearms that have been in the family for half a century? And even if you did have some paper work showing ownership what if the paperwork was ruined by water damage.
When families are losing their homes, lifesaving’s and health, having our finest and some of our most expensive resources, instead of protecting our ordered evacuated neighbourhoods, are stealing property, I’m more than outraged, I’m done.
arrest me, contact info:
Cam Kroeger
293 Gill Road
Ladysmith BC
camkroeger@telus.net
you don’t need a warrant, please don’t let the rabbit and cat and parrot escape out the busted down door, the gunsafe is in the master bedroom,
I detect a note of sarcasm in your comment, to which I reply, how’s the RCMP’s underwear collection going?
Further evidence that the RCMP is the military wing of the Liberal Party. Shameful in the extreme. I hope charges are laid and against the Brown Shirt thugs and some lawyers keep the creepy po-pos in the courts for years with litigation!!!
I use to defend cops in general – havn’t done so in quite some time.
I’d like to know who gave the order to do this. Right now I have no respect whatever for the federal Gestapo, formerly known as the RCMP. If any event is indicates that these goons should be kicked out of Alberta and a provincial police force established, this is it. I’m curious if these statist thugs also broke into vehicles left in the town to remove items inside the vehicle which would be a temptation for thieves.
Considering that the gun registry data has supposedly been destroyed, any firearms owner who only had rifles shouldn’t show up on the gestapo’s list. Thus, if there are such individuals, then PMSH lied and I doubt he can count on the support of Alberta in the next federal election. If I find out that there’s actually a secret list of firearms owners who don’t have any restricted firearms, I’ll be voting Libertarian in the next federal election.
This is a criminal action that has the potential to get very embarassing for the statists. I hope that the WRP is all over this and demands some answers. If this action was initiated by the moonbat premier of Alberta, then she should be forced out of office – does Alberta have an MLA recall process like BC?
I doubt we’ll get any answers from the totalitarians involved in this criminal act but what’s needed is a good lawyer to help organize a class action lawsuit against the Canadian gestapo. Also, it might be a good idea to refuse to do business with any gestapo member in uniform letting them know politely that one doesn’t do engage in business with known criminals. If they try to argue they were just following orders, let them know that the Nuremberg trials invalidated this excuse.
We’re on call, so to speak, to help friends of offsprings who have the misfortune to live in High River (friends, that is, not offsprings). Are appalled by what is going on there. So there is no power, electricity, sewage, water: let residents go back anyway for at least a limited time to salvage what they can. All that is accomplished by this total ban is to maximize damage and minimize recovery of family treasures.
bart: what infuriates me is the paranoia exhibited here. What makes a double barreled shotgun more dangerous than a barbeque propane tank? If they reasonably restrict entrance to the town, why are they so Paranoid about a few shotguns? It’s not as if the criminal element is not awash with all the guns they need now.
This Paranoia follows the Extreme Left’s thinking which equates gun ownership with Nuclear Weapons. That’s why I assert there is high level Leftwing Political decision in this case. (As well as with the BC fires.)
There is just no rational reasoning in the equation here.
A friend of mine’s home was broken into a few years ago and all his guns were left behind by the B&E artists. They were left laying on the basement stairs. Too cumbersome to carry off and too difficult to resell.
The Police are not at fault here. They are in some cases taking great risk to confiscate non harmful equipment; for what public good?
No Public Safety Issue Here…
It just shows the RCMP mentality. Us against them. Every homeowner is a potential criminal and none should have weapons. Must have been a real power trip to legally kick in doors and take those evil guns. Only they should have guns. Hard to keep even a semblance of respect for these power tripping goons when your door is kicked in and your possessions are stolen by the very people that are hired to protect them.
The Royal Canadian Manacled Panties..?..
Re: infanteer
“How should one of the victims of these break and enters “prove ownership”? While I am not a victim of this disaster, this brings up a very good point. I have a .22 repeater which I have owned since I was a teen, a pump shotgun given to me by my father-in-law and a 30-30 which I purchased in 1975. No documentation and no proof of ownership, no insurance, nada. I would not look forward to a band of RCMP wandering through my house looking to pick up whatever they could find.
All that should be required is your drivers license to obtain your stolen property. Anything other than that is not acceptable. Keeping people away from their homes after the water has gone down is a very bad thing. Nothing is going to be salvageable if the homeowner’s are kept away, and all these useless tits will bear not responsibility for the damage that their actions have caused.
I’ve just read this an am outraged that the RCMP have broken into people’s homes, forced locks on safes and stolen their property all the the name of some elitist crap of making it safer. Let me tell you, life on the street just got more dangerous for RCMP in that part of the country.
I’m outraged. I hope that the RCMP gets sued and the idiot in charge gets sacked.
As to how they targeted which houses to illegally break into, I would guess they just queried the firearms center “we’re in postal code T1V 1R6, give us a list of all addresses where a PAL holder lives”.
this is the first I have heard of any looters. Sad that it is the RCMP doing the looting
In recent years it seems every disaster is used as a training exercise for martial law – crowd repression, property seizure, gun confiscation and general kicking the public around like serfs. The High River police action is like something you would experience in soviet Russia or Cuba. This is absolutely unacceptable police behavior in this nation and K division should be sacked and sent back to Moscow on the Rideau. But only after the thieving scum responsible for these police B&Es are charged with unlawful possession.
Alberta needs a provincial force that swears an oath to the provincial constitution and has civilian oversight.
This goes beyond abuse of authority into the realm of breaking and entering, what they’ve done is no different than a criminal breaking into your home to steal those guns. Just because they wear badges should not give them the authority to break down your door and enter you home and steal your property. I hope all of the RCMP victims sue them sue them and sue them, I can’t imagine acting on the order to break and enter to steal from the citizens is a “Lawful order”.
Yep. I used to think good citizenship demanded courtesy and respect for the RCMP.
Sorry boys…but the looters must have stolen all my guns! Pity, that. I really loved that AR15. I hope it hasn’t fallen into the hands of one of those awful gun toting conservatives that think our cops are motley collection of pooch screwers and donut terminators…
Oh well, that 1 billion dollars + will turn a lot of High River into public property anyway. 🙂
This is what happens when you make deals with the devil…
Right, Occam. A provincial police force just like Ontario and Quebec have. If they’re anything to go by, the Alberta Provincial Police would be stuffed to the gills by halfwits who couldn’t get into the Mounties and traitors who consider it their duty to cover the brown and red backsides of the Calgary mujihadeen and Indian thugs of all tribes.
No. Alison Redford has been presented with a golden opportunity to punish the peasantry of High River for having the nerve to own a gun and vote Wildrose. The order comes direct from Redford herself. A provincial force would have only made the job easier (this way, it has to go through unrepentant liberals in Ottawa).
Not just the gun confiscation. The longer people are kept out of their homes, the easier it will be to have the houses condemned. The flood is Redford’s excuse to have the whole bloody place bulldozed, the loyal Canadian population driven out and the city and people replaced with something more to Redford’s liking. After all, heaven knows the woman who washes Alison’s knickers because she’s too important and liberated and educated to do women’s work has to live somewhere.
The example set by Alison’s friends in the east is a cross between Calcutta and Pyongyang, warrens of apartment blocks in cheap concrete crammed with Muslim riff-raff who will cheerfully vote Alberta PC till the day of judgement.
Bart must be a mouthpiece for his boyfriend Doug Griffith’s – another progressive we could well without around here!
Last time I checked Danielle Smith was our elected official and at least has the courtesy to offer her constituents real information! Her constituents want her at the EOC meetings but according to Bart she is just a Liberal in a pantsuit so obviously because she is not a progressive they try to insult her. Screw u!!
I want the name of the lawyer starting their suit against the gestapo! Emile you should be ashamed letting them treat your constituents this way! You are so in over ur head its sad really :(. Get some balls and get us dry people back home so they can’t steal anything else out of my safe! Election is coming in October folks! Don’t forget who votes u in!!
The gestapo already got a lecture from HR residents about their heavy handed tactics before this event. How do you ever think this will win them more supporters?
“Hey, what happened to that stack of gold coins I’d left with my gun?”
They’re breaking into homes to make sure nobody’s been left behind. That’s reasonable enough although one person reported that they told RCMP they absolutely knew nobody was in a particular house and they went ahead. Taking the guns though, is insane – bureaucrats in uniform. I used to defend police in general too, now I know the cops who won’t take your guns or confiscate your camera when you’re videoing an arrest from the doorway of your house are probably the exceptions.
Un-frickin’-believable. Fire them all. After they’re convicted.
Police forces should be formed around the smallest jurisdiction possible – a neighbourhood, village or town.
Caledonia was the most obvious reason until this happened. Un-frickin’-believable.
Life’s a b*tch when the illusion of freedom and government for the sheeple bubble gets all burst to heck…. Any one individual is expendable and your rights that you think are bestowed upon you by higher ups are also expendable.
YOu are as free as the cargo of a ship coming from Africa, your masters just gave you a better conditions for your slavery.
Wow. So they steal people’s property and then say they’ll return it if the victims can prove it was theirs. Why stop at guns? Now any B&E thief has a pretty good argument for why they shouldn’t have to return stolen property that they are caught with.
I have a funny feeling that, when these High River residents do come forward to claim their firearms, some (or perhaps all) of them will be charged with unsafe storage. Since the police easily found and stole them, the owners were obviously not storing them properly.
It’s just anecdotal – one of those friend of a friend stories – but back in 2007, I heard a story of a man in Ontario who had an expensive gun collection stored in a heavy duty safe at his home. He went away on vacation for a week. Thieves (who somehow obviously knew of his collection and his absence) broke in and – having all of the time in the world – got into the safe using an acetylene torch.
When the guy came back from vacation, saw what had happened, and called the police, he was charged with unsafe storage. The police reasoning was that, if thieves could get the guns, they obviously weren’t properly stored.
Expect at least a few similar stories from High River.
What feeds and allows bureaucracy to grow to the point any and all idiotic options are on the table?
MONEY.
Who has been throwing money at the RCMP for the past seven years?
Who never said a peep when the”Supreme Court” allowed the police to set up roadblocks anytime, anywhere, for any reason?
Who, against all reason, apparently wants to imitate the American Gulag system of justice?
My former party. The ONLY one I have ever voted for. Or worked for.
And it taint the &$#@%! Lieberals.
Nor the innumerate, nutty NDP.
Yet another sign that in Canada, the police are NOT ON OUR SIDE. They want citizens to be disarmed, submissive sheep under the authority of them and their political masters.
Disgraceful, immoral, illegal actions. In a free & just society, the only correct response is to terminate the employment of every officer who broke into a home and seized private property, then charge them with criminal trespass, break & enter, and theft. Of course that won’t happen in this country, where the police are accountable for NOTHING they do wrong, since they do it all at the behest of their political leash-holders anyway.
Although I must say I’m shocked, shocked I tell ya, that yall good old boys, despite the verabal bravado, are just as defeated and under the police state thumb as us poor old East Coasters.
Bury your guns like the rest of the mice.
Along with the Reformatory Party.
Going to get your guns back by producing proof of ownership should be refused outright.
Citizens should demand the guns be returned to the homes they were taken from.
IF they have the manpower to take them, then they have the manpower to return them!
$100 bucks says.. they damn well know which house, each individual gun came from.
The only question asked should be…Are you the owner of this home?
Yes..? then here are you guns.
The reason HR residents haven’t been allowed back into their homes is (obviously) because the RCMP haven’t finished checking ALL homes for weapons yet.
The longer they take, the harder it will be to deny!
Citizens (MUST) organize and demand the RCMP return the guns pronto or face criminal prosecution and or civil anarchy until they comply.
“Every homeowner is a potential criminal and none should have weapons.”
C’mon, folks. When the RCMP can’t move in on real criminals and genuine security risks — cultural sensitivity, dontcha know? — they have to justify their existence somehow. They pick on law-abiding citizens as a cover for their abdication of their true responsibility to “defend the law” (RCMP motto).
I suspect there are a lot of RCMP officers (sic) who have no idea what Canadian law is. They’ve come from other cultures and because Canadians have had to bend over backwards to respect their cultures — very often foreign to ours — they use their power as police power is used in most of the hellholes from which they’ve come.
Like Agent Smith, I used to admire and respect police in Canada. Not anymore. I’d think ten times before ever calling the cop shop if I was in trouble. I want to stay as far under their radar as possible.
I would add..
Where is High Rivers Gary McHale??
If someone were to start a legal action they could definitly count on my support. Would be money well spent.
Edit to my above post: “When the RCMP won’t move in on real criminals and genuine security risks …
Rob, please point out where it says the police can break your door down so they can see if you have obeyed an evacuation order. The police can break your door down if they have a reason to investigate such as busting a grow-op or if people are in immediate peril, loud screams are coming from inside, the house is on fire etc.
This is the logic the RCMP is using.
“The house is supposed to be empty due to the evacuation order. No one is answering the door, therefore either A) the occupants have evacuated the house so there is no-one inside to answer the door or B) someone who is disobeying the evacuation order is hiding inside so we have to break in and find them. B is the most likely answer, kick it down.”
This really should be presented before the courts as conspiracy to break and enter (one count for every house) and every officer and politician involved all the way to the top of the command structure should be charged. There are orders that no officer should ever obey. Sadly, many officers value their pension more than their honour and the ones at the very top are politicians and administrators.
Just because Red Allie renewed the RCMP contract doesn’t mean that municipalities have to participate. There’s nothing stopping the people of High River from forming their own municipal force and handing the RCMP their hats. Well, nothing except rebuilding everything from the flood..