25 Replies to ““When it was so dark, I needed to hear from God.””
Bravo Pastor.
“I don’t want to be here.”
Amen.
But thank you, pastor, for reminding the families that they do not have to face this alone.
God be with all that were so sadly touched by this TRAGEDY!!! This is Saskatchewan’s darkest HOUR!!! “May Jesus hold you and your love ones”!!!! AND GUIDE THE BOYS THAT LEFT US ON THEIR NEXT JOURNEY!
“But thank you, pastor, for reminding the families that they do not have to face this alone.”
No, because, thank god, Trudeau was there. Not to mention the all important speech by an indian leader.
Can you imagine being one of those poor kids in the hospital, drifting in and out of consciousness, heavily drugged, dreaming and hallucinating. You come to and some idiot is grinning at you trying to take a selfie and you think you’ve died and gone to hell and your version of hell is to take selfies with that moron for eternity. I’d check out on the spot just from the shock of it.
He asked where was God in this? Then he answered in a most encouraging way, through his anguish, grief and yes, doubt.
He brought these distressed sheep back to their shepherd.
Encouragement was the theme of this solemn event, through all that pain.
Well done by him and everyone at this vigil, – so humble, so dignified. You reinforce my pride at being Canadian.
Sean Brandow had no business speaking about his own personal apparel. Cowboy boots, socks? What? Then to have the CBC camera pan to the P.M.! What? Why?
When CBC sent Heather Hiscox to cover the funeral of the Bathurst Phantom basketball players, who died in January’ 08 in a road accident as well, their coverage was more respectful. It wasn’t about any politician taking a photo op. Let us hope that the funerals for these boys will be respectful in the days to come.
There are people here, in Conservative Saskatchewan, who must be cringing. These families are grieving for their loved ones, for goodness sakes. There is more we could say, but this is a sad time for those families and the whole nation is grieving.
Sean Brandow was at the scene of the accident. He earned the right to begin his address with a moment of levity.
It’s hard to know what one would do if bereaved and attending the memorial, but in this position, I think I would have had a strong temptation to stand up and turn my back on the PM. Why even let him hog the proceedings in the first place? “Thanks but no thanks” would have been my response.
I remember the rage that went through me attending my own daughters funeral. She was a mom and a catholic and I sat there as the priest went on about the hereafter, eternal life and an all loving god. FU, where was god 10 seconds before the intersection??? And don’t tell me about closure. There is no such state of mind. That’s an invented word without meaning. You cope. These things come back on you at the oddest moment and your moved to tears.
My heart goes out to those in Humboldt. I can hardly think of what they are going through without choking up.
Sorry for the rant but this tragedy brings all this stuff back on you.
“FU, where was god ”
Your loss is palatable and so real right now, my heart goes out to you as well.
God has been, is and will forever be on the throne. He is the King: the Father, the Son and Spirit.
Jesus had a dear friend named Lazarus. He died. Jesus wept, and wept bitterly at his departure from that community and from this life. When Jesus arrived at Lazarus’ home, his sisters, who had seen Jesus heal many were bitter and angry and torn in their spirits. They had asked and demanded and pleaded, why had Jesus ignored their call to come when they first sent word of Lazarus illness. If He had only come to them on their command, on their timetable, as their personal physician, their brother would not have died and there would have been much rejoicing at his healing.
Instead, Jesus showed up late, right on time.
He demonstrated that He had the authority, the love and compassion to raise a rotting, stinking cadaver from a hole in the rock, calling him to come forth. Lazarus wasn’t in control, Lazarus wasn’t desiring to be alive again, but in that moment, he knew who was in charge, and it wasn’t him.
This shook the community, it ripped it apart and brought it back together again. It is a worldwide, famous history lesson on Who and What Jesus is.
But there is more to that story. The family and community got to go through Lazarus death and burial a second time. But this time, they had the proof positive that Jesus was raised from the dead after His brutal torture and murder. And that Lazarus and each one of us will be raised from the dead for an afterlife. That was what Jesus had promised them. He keeps His promises.
It’s not on our terms, it’s on Jesus terms.
Forgive, so you can be forgiven. Those are His terms.
I appreciate your thoughtful reply, Glacierman. For us Christians, Jesus has gone before us to show us the way, as well as making the sacrifice which paid the penalty for our sins.
Although death is inevitable it is especially tragic when it happens before the natural end of a life. However, premature deaths like these are often the result of human actions such as careless accidents or war, and although God allowed it He did not cause it. Even death from other causes such as disease and natural disaster is believed by Christians to be a result of the fall of man. God could prevent every death 10 seconds before it happened and even intervene in every situation that would cause pain but that would seem to rule out free will. I certainly don’t have all the answers but trust that the mysteries will be cleared up on the last day.
A very small point. I think you might have meant palpable rather than palatable.
Thanks Greg.
Indeed, you caught the auto – corrected word. Well done. I did mean palpable.
I too agree with your statement that God could intervene. But His character indeed allows for free will. The trucker now has to deal with the fact that he contravened the laws of good and evil, life or death. His free will has tragic consequences and a lifetime of memories. He has now entered a thing worse than prison.
I am SO sorry to hear that you had to bury a daughter. I can’t EVEN …
And I SO agree with you that “closure” is rubbish. What? Forget? How idiotic. That notion almost borders on mental illness. God gave us DEEP spiritual emotions for a reason … and deeply FEELING pain is part of it. I had to nurse my only brother thru a horrific cancer death … at age 28. It wasn’t “fair”. Why the hell would God “allow” such a thing? My brother didn’t DO anything wrong! I believe we all know just how fragile, and yet robust, life can be … at the same time.
I believe the Pastor did a great job communicating the fact that there is no answer, no pat answer, no trivial words can express how anyone is supposed to feel about this NEEDLESS loss. All we can do is look to God for comfort … or “the fates” … I guess, if you resist God. I think the Pastor communicated very well … and was clearly aching for the young men and coaches he knew so well.
Just figures that Trudeau would insert himself into something like this. Low class opportunistic fool.
I learned something long ago about times like this. You do and say what feels right to you at the time – it’s pretty subjective. It’s probably not the best time or place to say someone should have done/not done, said/not said this or that. And if you can find solace in religion, that’s fine. If you can’t, then I hope that peaceful acceptance prevails over bitterness.
I think turdo la doo is a silly little tit, but I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his words as sincere.
I’m no fan of GBSP (GB’s Sock Puppet); but, he does hold the office and the office is an institution I will respect until it is no longer with us.
From the video I saw GBSP was both respectful and understated something he is too often not. The evangelical Chaplain’s comments about his socks was both personal, slightly irreverent and very mildly humourous. I give him the benefit of the doubt.
The only other speaker I heard referencing GBSP was a reference to the office holder not using his name. Again, I thought it was appropriate.
I liked that GBSP was relegated to somewhere near the rear of the floor seating. People did not seem to be paying him much attention but unfortunately the cameraman did. Unfortunate, but not unexpected.
I dislike the man intensely, but my respect for the office leads me to believe that on balance having the PM there was probably the right call. He knows it is hostile territory but he showed up and, as far as I could tell, did not make a fool of himself on this occasion. He could have his Saskatchewan Bot — Sir Ralph do his bidding but chose to risk the rejection. I don’t think it hurt him.
Trudeau is not sincere. He simply acts out the script provided to him by his handlers.
Human emotions like sincerity require a degree of intelligence that enables self-reflection.
He is an ass, a fool, a man utterly incapable of seeing his own flaws, and he should have stayed away.
Those poor young lads that were killed and their grieving families did not need a man of so little substance inserting himself into the midst of such a sad occasion.
Well said NotaGBSP Fan. It is quite obvious that everyone here is of a similar political leaning, but the hatred aimed at the PM in this thread reveals your inability to show any kind of objectivity and renders your arguments moot. A simple ‘put the shoe on the other foot’ test would go a long way here.
As PM he should have been there, and I appreciated that he and the other outsiders/celebrities had no role in the vigil. It was a vigil for Humboldt, by Humboldt, as it should have been.
Humour is a path to healing, tears are a path to healing, and finding solace in God is a path to healing. Well done, Sean.
Although I am probably the last person to give Trudeau any credit for anything I think that he is simply incapable of behaving in a mature, thoughtful manner. In his narcissistic universe, he is the centre of attention regardless of the event. No doubt his handlers strongly advised him to go to Humboldt with the caveat that he was to keep his big mouth firmly shut and remember that, on this occaision, it’s not about him. Sincere or not, he had nothing to lose by being in attendance.
Some plain talk on grief and faith. Intentional or not, the Pastor’s hidden socks comment hit on the need for faith and the emptiness of virtue signalling. I hope it was some comfort and direction for all Bronco Fans from a man
who walked the talk.
All politics placed on the back burner.
We need more presentations such as this.
God Bless the pastor!!
The ministers at the memorial gathering were no doubt giving a sincere rendition of what they were educated to believe, but I believe something entirely different — God is not in charge of this world, somehow Lucifer a.k.a. Satan is in charge, and this was the case when Jesus Christ was here on the earth and in the wilderness. We do have the option of rejecting Satan and placing our hearts and minds in the Kingdom. But as for a physical reality, that Kingdom is somewhere else or perhaps some time in the future here on the earth, but it is not here in power and glory today. Thus, each person who laments, “why, God, why?” is actually being misinformed by this false theology, the question they ask is not framed in reality, because God has not willed any of these actions or events, nor do they represent the Kingdom in any way. I suspect that Lucifer decided to pay a lot of visits to theological colleges over the years because he would not want an army of preachers knowing what was really happening here on the earth. Better to have them doing his work by suggesting that somehow God allowed this accident to happen for reasons that we cannot comprehend. That would be sure to turn thousands away from God. Fix yourself on the cross of salvation — what that means is, understand that yes this is Satan’s world, the cross is the proof of that, but this is God’s universe, the resurrection of Jesus is the proof of that. As to when their battle ends, we hope sooner rather than later.
I have always found the Screwtape Letters to be an excellent description of how EVIL is worked by the EVIL one. Satan is quite adept at collecting souls … by appealing to our selfish desires.
BTW … I would like to personally thank NME6’s … for not interjecting his atheism into this service. I actually consider that quite classy of my atheist friend. Very classy. Thanks bro.
Bravo Pastor.
“I don’t want to be here.”
Amen.
But thank you, pastor, for reminding the families that they do not have to face this alone.
God be with all that were so sadly touched by this TRAGEDY!!! This is Saskatchewan’s darkest HOUR!!! “May Jesus hold you and your love ones”!!!! AND GUIDE THE BOYS THAT LEFT US ON THEIR NEXT JOURNEY!
“But thank you, pastor, for reminding the families that they do not have to face this alone.”
No, because, thank god, Trudeau was there. Not to mention the all important speech by an indian leader.
Can you imagine being one of those poor kids in the hospital, drifting in and out of consciousness, heavily drugged, dreaming and hallucinating. You come to and some idiot is grinning at you trying to take a selfie and you think you’ve died and gone to hell and your version of hell is to take selfies with that moron for eternity. I’d check out on the spot just from the shock of it.
He asked where was God in this? Then he answered in a most encouraging way, through his anguish, grief and yes, doubt.
He brought these distressed sheep back to their shepherd.
Encouragement was the theme of this solemn event, through all that pain.
Well done by him and everyone at this vigil, – so humble, so dignified. You reinforce my pride at being Canadian.
Sean Brandow had no business speaking about his own personal apparel. Cowboy boots, socks? What? Then to have the CBC camera pan to the P.M.! What? Why?
When CBC sent Heather Hiscox to cover the funeral of the Bathurst Phantom basketball players, who died in January’ 08 in a road accident as well, their coverage was more respectful. It wasn’t about any politician taking a photo op. Let us hope that the funerals for these boys will be respectful in the days to come.
There are people here, in Conservative Saskatchewan, who must be cringing. These families are grieving for their loved ones, for goodness sakes. There is more we could say, but this is a sad time for those families and the whole nation is grieving.
Sean Brandow was at the scene of the accident. He earned the right to begin his address with a moment of levity.
It’s hard to know what one would do if bereaved and attending the memorial, but in this position, I think I would have had a strong temptation to stand up and turn my back on the PM. Why even let him hog the proceedings in the first place? “Thanks but no thanks” would have been my response.
I remember the rage that went through me attending my own daughters funeral. She was a mom and a catholic and I sat there as the priest went on about the hereafter, eternal life and an all loving god. FU, where was god 10 seconds before the intersection??? And don’t tell me about closure. There is no such state of mind. That’s an invented word without meaning. You cope. These things come back on you at the oddest moment and your moved to tears.
My heart goes out to those in Humboldt. I can hardly think of what they are going through without choking up.
Sorry for the rant but this tragedy brings all this stuff back on you.
“FU, where was god ”
Your loss is palatable and so real right now, my heart goes out to you as well.
God has been, is and will forever be on the throne. He is the King: the Father, the Son and Spirit.
Jesus had a dear friend named Lazarus. He died. Jesus wept, and wept bitterly at his departure from that community and from this life. When Jesus arrived at Lazarus’ home, his sisters, who had seen Jesus heal many were bitter and angry and torn in their spirits. They had asked and demanded and pleaded, why had Jesus ignored their call to come when they first sent word of Lazarus illness. If He had only come to them on their command, on their timetable, as their personal physician, their brother would not have died and there would have been much rejoicing at his healing.
Instead, Jesus showed up late, right on time.
He demonstrated that He had the authority, the love and compassion to raise a rotting, stinking cadaver from a hole in the rock, calling him to come forth. Lazarus wasn’t in control, Lazarus wasn’t desiring to be alive again, but in that moment, he knew who was in charge, and it wasn’t him.
This shook the community, it ripped it apart and brought it back together again. It is a worldwide, famous history lesson on Who and What Jesus is.
But there is more to that story. The family and community got to go through Lazarus death and burial a second time. But this time, they had the proof positive that Jesus was raised from the dead after His brutal torture and murder. And that Lazarus and each one of us will be raised from the dead for an afterlife. That was what Jesus had promised them. He keeps His promises.
It’s not on our terms, it’s on Jesus terms.
Forgive, so you can be forgiven. Those are His terms.
I appreciate your thoughtful reply, Glacierman. For us Christians, Jesus has gone before us to show us the way, as well as making the sacrifice which paid the penalty for our sins.
Although death is inevitable it is especially tragic when it happens before the natural end of a life. However, premature deaths like these are often the result of human actions such as careless accidents or war, and although God allowed it He did not cause it. Even death from other causes such as disease and natural disaster is believed by Christians to be a result of the fall of man. God could prevent every death 10 seconds before it happened and even intervene in every situation that would cause pain but that would seem to rule out free will. I certainly don’t have all the answers but trust that the mysteries will be cleared up on the last day.
A very small point. I think you might have meant palpable rather than palatable.
Thanks Greg.
Indeed, you caught the auto – corrected word. Well done. I did mean palpable.
I too agree with your statement that God could intervene. But His character indeed allows for free will. The trucker now has to deal with the fact that he contravened the laws of good and evil, life or death. His free will has tragic consequences and a lifetime of memories. He has now entered a thing worse than prison.
I am SO sorry to hear that you had to bury a daughter. I can’t EVEN …
And I SO agree with you that “closure” is rubbish. What? Forget? How idiotic. That notion almost borders on mental illness. God gave us DEEP spiritual emotions for a reason … and deeply FEELING pain is part of it. I had to nurse my only brother thru a horrific cancer death … at age 28. It wasn’t “fair”. Why the hell would God “allow” such a thing? My brother didn’t DO anything wrong! I believe we all know just how fragile, and yet robust, life can be … at the same time.
I believe the Pastor did a great job communicating the fact that there is no answer, no pat answer, no trivial words can express how anyone is supposed to feel about this NEEDLESS loss. All we can do is look to God for comfort … or “the fates” … I guess, if you resist God. I think the Pastor communicated very well … and was clearly aching for the young men and coaches he knew so well.
Just figures that Trudeau would insert himself into something like this. Low class opportunistic fool.
I learned something long ago about times like this. You do and say what feels right to you at the time – it’s pretty subjective. It’s probably not the best time or place to say someone should have done/not done, said/not said this or that. And if you can find solace in religion, that’s fine. If you can’t, then I hope that peaceful acceptance prevails over bitterness.
I think turdo la doo is a silly little tit, but I’ll even give him the benefit of the doubt and accept his words as sincere.
I’m no fan of GBSP (GB’s Sock Puppet); but, he does hold the office and the office is an institution I will respect until it is no longer with us.
From the video I saw GBSP was both respectful and understated something he is too often not. The evangelical Chaplain’s comments about his socks was both personal, slightly irreverent and very mildly humourous. I give him the benefit of the doubt.
The only other speaker I heard referencing GBSP was a reference to the office holder not using his name. Again, I thought it was appropriate.
I liked that GBSP was relegated to somewhere near the rear of the floor seating. People did not seem to be paying him much attention but unfortunately the cameraman did. Unfortunate, but not unexpected.
I dislike the man intensely, but my respect for the office leads me to believe that on balance having the PM there was probably the right call. He knows it is hostile territory but he showed up and, as far as I could tell, did not make a fool of himself on this occasion. He could have his Saskatchewan Bot — Sir Ralph do his bidding but chose to risk the rejection. I don’t think it hurt him.
Trudeau is not sincere. He simply acts out the script provided to him by his handlers.
Human emotions like sincerity require a degree of intelligence that enables self-reflection.
He is an ass, a fool, a man utterly incapable of seeing his own flaws, and he should have stayed away.
Those poor young lads that were killed and their grieving families did not need a man of so little substance inserting himself into the midst of such a sad occasion.
Well said NotaGBSP Fan. It is quite obvious that everyone here is of a similar political leaning, but the hatred aimed at the PM in this thread reveals your inability to show any kind of objectivity and renders your arguments moot. A simple ‘put the shoe on the other foot’ test would go a long way here.
As PM he should have been there, and I appreciated that he and the other outsiders/celebrities had no role in the vigil. It was a vigil for Humboldt, by Humboldt, as it should have been.
Humour is a path to healing, tears are a path to healing, and finding solace in God is a path to healing. Well done, Sean.
Although I am probably the last person to give Trudeau any credit for anything I think that he is simply incapable of behaving in a mature, thoughtful manner. In his narcissistic universe, he is the centre of attention regardless of the event. No doubt his handlers strongly advised him to go to Humboldt with the caveat that he was to keep his big mouth firmly shut and remember that, on this occaision, it’s not about him. Sincere or not, he had nothing to lose by being in attendance.
Some plain talk on grief and faith. Intentional or not, the Pastor’s hidden socks comment hit on the need for faith and the emptiness of virtue signalling. I hope it was some comfort and direction for all Bronco Fans from a man
who walked the talk.
All politics placed on the back burner.
We need more presentations such as this.
God Bless the pastor!!
The ministers at the memorial gathering were no doubt giving a sincere rendition of what they were educated to believe, but I believe something entirely different — God is not in charge of this world, somehow Lucifer a.k.a. Satan is in charge, and this was the case when Jesus Christ was here on the earth and in the wilderness. We do have the option of rejecting Satan and placing our hearts and minds in the Kingdom. But as for a physical reality, that Kingdom is somewhere else or perhaps some time in the future here on the earth, but it is not here in power and glory today. Thus, each person who laments, “why, God, why?” is actually being misinformed by this false theology, the question they ask is not framed in reality, because God has not willed any of these actions or events, nor do they represent the Kingdom in any way. I suspect that Lucifer decided to pay a lot of visits to theological colleges over the years because he would not want an army of preachers knowing what was really happening here on the earth. Better to have them doing his work by suggesting that somehow God allowed this accident to happen for reasons that we cannot comprehend. That would be sure to turn thousands away from God. Fix yourself on the cross of salvation — what that means is, understand that yes this is Satan’s world, the cross is the proof of that, but this is God’s universe, the resurrection of Jesus is the proof of that. As to when their battle ends, we hope sooner rather than later.
I have always found the Screwtape Letters to be an excellent description of how EVIL is worked by the EVIL one. Satan is quite adept at collecting souls … by appealing to our selfish desires.
BTW … I would like to personally thank NME6’s … for not interjecting his atheism into this service. I actually consider that quite classy of my atheist friend. Very classy. Thanks bro.