Barack Obama “On The Issues”, 2007 – Obama’s Environmental Protection Agency will strictly regulate manure spills from large CAFOs, with fines for those that violate tough standards.
Environmental Protection Agency, 2014 – EPA Employees Told to Stop Pooping in the Hallway
h/t Melinda
from article:
“I will end the notion of Yucca Mountain because it has not been based on the sort of sound science that can assure people that they’re going to be safe.”
~Obama
“End the notion”. WOW! The arrogance. Just wow. This was 2007?
Yucca Mountain is the most studied piece of land on the face of this planet and the studies have concluded it is the safest best place to store nuclear waste anywhere on earth.(already known at the time of this statement)
Whether it is the route of the XL Keystone Pipeline or Yucca Mountain, you can be sure that no amount of studied facts will come between Obama and his agenda.
sorry my post wasn’t about EPA rogue pooping
Ok, so I can’t help but to say who wants to get a takeout sendover to the EPA HQ for the staff to eat their fill of Boston baked beans and crab cakes?
Concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) cause large amounts of air & water pollution; tougher regulations are a step in the right direction.
Tougher regs, eh. Please cite the current regs, give examples of how and why they are inadequate since 2007(remembering that Obama has been President since 2009), and tell us what the new regs should be.
The American economy waits with bated breath for the new regs.
Sure as shit, Americans aren’t paying enough for meat these days.
Current regulations are obviously inadequate, or the CAFO pollution problem wouldn’t be so out-of-control. The figurehead in the WH has no actual relevance. They can’t have cheap meat at the expense of polluting the environment… too bad, suck it up. If keeping the air and water un-polluted means they have to pay more for bacon then they’ll just have to adjust.
Brilliant-one of your best juxtapositions Kate.
Please, tell us all about the deleterious effects of CAFO on the American population. What is the body count? Is it higher than the body count of those populations in the Middle East and Africa that have been in upheaval since food prices, artificially jacked up by ethanol production, caused so many food riots and even the attempted overthrow of governments there? Tell us, does Russia have plans to ease the shortfall in meat production and come to the rescue as they have with energy?
New tougher CAFO regs on one hand, grazing reduction on the other brought about by restricting grazing on federal lands, plus higher feed costs because of ethanol production, boy howdy, you’ve got a real agenda there for American meat production. Good thing we don’t eat American meat here in Canada or have free trade with the Americans or anything like that. It might hurt us.
So the EPA isn’t even “potty trained” but they want to ‘clean up the environment’. Yeah sure…
Perhaps they should flush the whole defecating lot of them…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
EPA employees are exempt.
What would be funny is if they caught the pooper(s) and then couldn’t fire or even sanction them because …Union!
The perps are probably Occupation veterans anyhoo, prolly drum on their fairtrade coffee breaks.
The introduction of a “scent free” environment policy will solve this problem. Scent Free policies have the same power over minds as “Do Not Remove this Tag under Penalty of Law” warning does.
Enviromental Pooping Agency? Sounds about right for guys like LAS(Nof60)
Actually, North of 60, you are so full of shit, your eyes are brown! Just like in Mr. Ed, a horse is a horse of course, of course, a cow is a cow. It doesn’t matter whether the cow is wondering the Texas panhandle, a herd of cows wondering the Oklahoma plains, or a bunch of collected cows in a feedlot. One cow, one cow patty, one cow phart! It maters not if the cows are concentrated or scattered. Boy are you dumb! Your presentation is incredibly illogical and politically mythologically tainted as to be laughable.
Actually, there is an environmental advantaged to gathered cows, in a feedlot or on the plains. Their cow patties and effluent are concentrated and easier to control and remove. They are much more thrifty than wandering over the countryside. By the way, that stuff is not bad. Cow manure brings good prices from ORGANIC gardeners. By products caught in feed lot retention does not get to our water ecosystem except through organic gardeners.
Visit my site for a cow picture.
N of 60 said: “… tougher regulations are a step in the right direction.”
So, feedlots are -bad-? They must be destroyed?
Ok, you wanna pay $50/lb for beef then? How about $100/lb? Because that’s definitely in your future if you have your way.
It’s not like the EPA would lie. (-:
Just like the IRS having what 6 hard-drives crash all on the same day.
Never………..
Reference pooping in hallways – we could hope that there is someone working at EPA who actually disagrees with many of their actions. Since he or she cannot say so directly, dropping crap in the hall might be an expression of his or her disapproval.
Maybe I’m just grasping for some sort of rationale that isn’t there.
Well there’s $100,000 they’re not going to get back.
It looks like someone at EPA really gives a shit
Pay attention, CAFOs are where pork and poultry are raised for their entire lives, NOT feedlots where cattle spend a short time before slaughter. You and Phantom are the only ones mentioning feedlots, and using that as the basis for your inane insults. Don’t try to trivialize the CAFO situation with willful ignorance.
You obviously have not seen a chicken, duck, goose farm. You have obviously not seen the average pig farm of a few years ago. The term “pig sty” did not get its meaning from nothing. The same is true of all animals raised “free range” or in pens. One animal, one phart, one piece of excrement. It matters not to me whether they are comfortable in their confines, no does it to the ecology. You, in your politicized ignorance are missing the whole point: It matters not how you husband the animal. You generally get the same manure and pharts per animal. The fact is, it is better for the environment if you can keep the manure and other excrement in a confined area, and the animals are more thrifty. Notice, I in my inane results did use the word “keep” to a confined area. One of the problems is you don’t know that a point source is easier to clean up and control than an area source, cheaper too.
Can I get that one on a T-Shirt? That’s government insanity in spades!
Hey Phantom. Here is another librul that can’t do math. He thinks that the one-cow = one patty, one chicken = one dropping, and one pig = one POS, when free ranging. It is his contention that two chickens = 3 droppings, 2 pigs = 3 POS, when in confinement. The old pig sty must have been the center of the universe where excess POS is continuously created. Although this pretentious person may have a subjective point. The old soupy pig pen certainly smelled much worse than a modern pig factory. But, he does say that modern pig agriculture is worse.
“Pay attention, CAFOs are where pork and poultry are raised for their entire lives”
Holy crap. Then I guess we had better shut down/burn all the parks and forests where billions of birds defecate/fart every day,not to mention all the other critters that reside there!
And besides,cows live at feedlots for their entire lives before being sent off to Dairy Queen.
Thanks for clearly demonstrating the sort of willful ignorance that creates most of the environmental problems caused by CAFOs. You proved my point nicely.
“cows live at feedlots for their entire lives before being sent off to Dairy Queen”
Their ‘entire lives’ = 1 year for a steer. To feed them longer after they are full grown is to lose money on feed. To restrict cattle movement is to have less connective tissue in the meat resulting in more tender meat. Where I live, there are a lot of herds of beef cows free grazing the stubble of wheat fields and fertilizing while they graze.
They’re cows. It’s the steers that are turned into meat at 1 year old while the cows range and birth new calves.
Heifers(female cattle that haven’t calved) don’t get fed out at feed lots as much as steers. If someone tries to sell you cow meat it will likely be from an old tough stringy breeding animal or even a dairy cow, barely fit for burger meat.
Google “CAFO and MRSA” when you’re ready to educate yourselves.
We can lead people to knowledge but we can’t make them think.
Nah, I think you’re wrong. You give us links to show how people are being harmed. You’re the one who wants people to starve because they won’t be able to afford meat. The onus is on you to show that your position represents the greater good. Meat is already too expensive, ethanol boy.
Replying to north of 60 first comment:
“Concentrated animal feeding operations (CAFOs) cause large amounts of air & water pollution; tougher regulations are a step in the right direction.
Posted by: north of 60 on June 26, 2014 2:02 AM | Reply”
How did we get from this subject to MRSA. We have restricted antibiotic use in food animals for 50 years. If we are having an MRSA problem, it will be alleviated by restricting antibiotics in feed animals which does not require new laws, just enforcing the laws we have. Now what has this to do with causing large amounts of air and water pollution?? You are changing the subject and being an ass about it because you don’t understand math.
You know, I think we should eliminate contraceptives. They are getting into our water supply and causing defective people synapses, like you are showing evidence of.
Meanwhile, back on the original subject, which is easier to clean up – animal excrement over hundreds of acres, or concentrated animal excrement in a lagoon? The problem gets exacerbated when the corps sell the excrement to farmers as fertilizer to plow into their fields. The rains then take it into our watersheds. Now that is a problem. However, because in our area T—n is involved, a big political donor, the EPA attacks the small cow/calf operation raising dust, rather than the large farms and chicken factories that are the problem. Now, if the EPA wont’t solve that problem because of political donations, what makes you think the EPA is capable of curing MRSA?
The EPA is the real acid rain of our era.
It eats all it touches, makes worse everything it gazes upon.
north of LAS, arguing with farmers when armed only with google bulls!t is not a smart move. Feed lots are a control, free range is not, git it. When horse farming we contain shit so it does leech into the water shed, feed lots do the same, so do sewage systems, try understanding that you don’t understand!!!
I don’t argue on internet forums. I present facts, some can understand them, others can’t. The intelligence of the response makes that clear. What someone does with the information is up to them, I couldn’t care less how it affects their preconceived notions.
Some people place a lot of stock in personally attacking and insulting people on internet forums. They couldn’t find a better way of blowing their credibility.
You have a nice day now, ya hear.