Y2Kyoto: I’ll Miss America’s Forests

27 Replies to “Y2Kyoto: I’ll Miss America’s Forests”

1. How far will Leftists go to stick to their absolutely flawed theories of life? At least as far as the distance across the Atlantic it seems. 🙁

2. Green Theocracy plus corporate rent seeking equals madness in the form of shipping low density energy (wood pellets) halfway around the planet to replace higher density energy, coal (3-4 times the MJ/Tonne as wood) found almost next door to the plant. Meanwhile, the poor folks in the UK who can’t afford the resulting energy costs are freezing to death during the CAGW freezing winters. Monte Python’s writers couldn’t have imagined a world more bizarre.

3. Let them eat grass.

4. John, you just have to know the world’s gone utterly insane when Uncle Vlad makes more sense than all the Europeans put together.
   http://rt.com/politics/putin-nuclear-europe-siberia/
   And Uncle Vlad saw this coming three years ago.
   We’re no different in Ontario. Converting units at Nanticoke to burn wood chips knowing full well that forest industry scrap won’t be nearly sufficient. So we’ll be cutting down Ontario forest to fuel what were otherwise perfectly usable, perfectly modern coal fired units.

5. Kiss WA state good by…. This is nuts.

6. Well when you say no to every other reliable, affordable power source you end up with very limited options. Since solar and wind need to have every MW backed up they need to allow something. As John Chittick says it makes little sense to burn a low density energy source like wood instead of a high density fuel like coal. Ironically the stations they are burning them in were originally designed for coal. Having a fairly good understanding of coal plants and how systems are designed specifically for one fuel source to maximize efficiency and therefore minimize pollution – is more air pollution (particulate, CO2, etc.) per tonne of fuel going out the stack because wood does not burn as cleanly as coal does and because you have to burn so many trees to equal the heat output of coal? Are the scrubbers normally used in coal plants and designed for coal as effective with wood pellets?
   The carbon neutral calculations are of course bogus. From Bjorn Lomborg – Hugging a Burning Tree
   “An academic paper published last year makes the point clear in its title: “Large-scale bioenergy from additional harvest of forest biomass is neither sustainable nor greenhouse gas neutral.” Its authors point out that while the Industrial Revolution caused climate change, reliance on coal was actually good for forests, because our forebears stopped raiding forests for wood. This is one of the major reasons that forests in Europe and the United States have recovered – and it is why many forests in developing countries are threatened. The developed world’s re-enchantment with biomass could take it down a similar road.”
   http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/resisting-the-biomass-temptation-by-bj-rn-lomborg

7. As a wise person said (and I paraphrase), “Never attribute to stupidity that which can be credited to malevolence”.
   These people are working a long term plan whose end is the destruction of the UK…and Western Civilization.

8. A little background to the headline, “I’ll miss America’s forests”. This chart shows forest cover in the US shrunk in the mid-eighteen-hundreds but has been stable or increasing since then. http://forestry.about.com/library/bl_us_forest_acre_trend.htm

9. You know what the most hilarious part of all this is?
   Apparently nobody in the U.K. has opened a history book and realized that some of England’s worst smog/air pollution was during the middle ages, due to everybody – wait for it – burning wood.
   Those who do not remember history are doomed to be mocked.

10. The reason for the reforesting is because we quit using wood as a fuel source and better agricultural practices -more food produced on fewer acres. Returning to the use of wood for fuel and turning crops into ethanol is not friendly for the environment or for poor people. The economic and environmental case for moving to solar, wind and biofuels in very weak.

11. Guvmint planning strikes agen!

12. Forty years ago there was a glut of wood chips in BC. The government ruled that waste wood could NOT be burned, it had to be made into paper. But there weren’t enough rail cars to move the chips, and not enough market for the paper if the chips could moved and processed. (For those keeping score – it was an NDP government.)
    I was a young feller working in the forestry industry at the time and we were asked for suggestions. Believing that there were still plenty of fireplaces in Britain, I suggested that the chips be squashed and glued into little logs suitable for burning in a fireplace, and exported to Old Blighty. My idea was laughed at. “Have you any idea what that would cost?”, commented one of my managers, in a veddy Briddish accent. Pompous twit.
    A few years later, “Presto-logs” made their appearance, and now retail for $2.00 each. Micro presto logs, aka wood pellets, are selling at $200 or more per tonne.
    Until we run out of beetle killed forests, or the Brits run out of money (the latter much more likely, in my opinion), this whole idea might be a little less crazy than it might first appear. Later on, when our forests are healthy again, we can wean them off wood chips and back onto coal. Marketing, possums, marketing.

13. In green Alberta
    http://www.whitecourtpower.com/
    But don’t tell anyone that they get way more heat out of burning gas than they do out of wet bark. Wood chips are worth serious coin for pulp.

14. The loons at the BBC demanded that their hired pension fund management
    company put them deep into every rent seeking Globull Warming enviro
    scam that showed up. They were going to show everyone how really smart
    marxists could make tons of money out of moonbeams and unicorn farts.
    http://www.wavsource.com/snds_2013-08-04_1948604593204857/movies/three_stooges/not_ordinary.wav

15. I did a little Google check and apparently the bunker fuel used on most cargo ships is highly polluting and the equivalent of putting several million cars on the road per ship. Shouldn’t they be leveling Sherwood Forest first?

16. Yawnnnnn. Old news… 2010… “The European Union (EU) recently admitted that agro-fuels might be as much as four times more damaging to the climate than conventional fuels due to their indirect impacts. Still, such indirect impacts are being ignored in EU policies.” http://www.globalforestcoalition.org/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/briefing-paper-bioenergy_final_1.pdf
    These guys are about as tree-hugger as you can get. Only one conclusion is apparent… willfull ignorance from the, errrr, more learned than I.

17. Split Wood, not Atoms
    ~common 1970s Hippie bumper sticker
    Trees are largely made of cellulose fibre and sequestered CO2.
    Apparently the Greenies suffer no cognitive dissonance in this case, they have no dissonance but because they have no cognition.

18. That wise man was Napoleon.
    Ne jamais attribuer à la malveillance ce qui est bien expliqué par l’incompétence.
    Never ascribe to malice that which is adequately explained by incompetence.
    Napoleon Bonaparte

19. the level of stupid is expanding exponentially.

20. ….but, but, the experts….did not the experts say that it’s OK.
    Nobody, but nobody can argue with the experts.
    Case closed.

21. mocked, no. die, yes.

22. And in Ontario, acres-per-minute slashing of oh-so-necessary Bambi sheltering, oxygen creating bush and scrub is occurring because of the government-induced craze to produce energy negative corn-sourced ethanol.
    Everywhere you go in these parts shovels, skidders and faller-bunchers – yet not one member of our remarkable Press Corps has had the curiosity/balls/smarts to ask our 3 party leaders what they think about this state of affairs.
    Incredible.

23. Right On cgh, for once I totally agree with Putin.
    I have come to the conclusion Environmentalist are a danger to our very survival.

24. Yeah well, photography was a new thing in the mid 19th century.
    There many many “snaps” of SW Ontario’s towns from that era.
    No trees…just stumps….

25. They’re Malthusians, Ratt. Our survival is NOT what they want. The only significant difference among the various brands of Green slime is how many people the world’s population should be reduced by.

26. So,we’ve come full circle. We started with wood for heat and cooking, went to coal because it lasted longer, then oil, then natural gas,then nuclear power,and now we’re back to wood.
    When the Limeys adopt this fuel, let us soak the hell out of ’em, none of this Canadian boy scout bs, cheap prices for our Motherland.
    Might be the solution for so many shrinking mill towns in B.C.

27. thee dutch won’t be able to afford their shoes no more!!!!