43 Replies to “Let Me Fix That Headline For You”

  3. I’ve shut down a few bars. I don’t blame women for rape. I am a really tall, big, and once tough man. I don’t get drunk out of my mind in a bar because I fear the potential consequences. People of any sex have to use those melons or they are going to get hurt.

  4. Somewhat related, from Ace of Spades, (and strangely posted at nearly the same time…)
    “Woman Recieves Light Sentence after Five False Rape Accusations Against Boyfriends in Eight Years;
    Judge’s Concern for the Victims Extends Only to Actual Rape Victims, Who Will Be Less Likely to be Believed”
    http://minx.cc/?post=341530

  5. The BIG problem is in the transition from data to headline… the headline reads “One in five Canadians think a woman encourages sexual assault when she is drunk” while the data sez “19 per cent of the respondents believe that women MAY (my emphasis) provoke or encourage sexual assault when they are drunk”. That word MAY is of prime importance as it changes the context of the phrase. ‘May’ can also connote ‘may not’ and thus there is some ambiguity. The headline uses “think” which eliminates that ambiguity.
    This is exactly the same parlance as used in the global warming debate giving the false illusion of certainty.
    The article further digs it’s own grave by, again, leaping from uncertainty to proof positive when it further poses… “The belief that women are responsible for sexual assault because of their actions or appearance is still common in our society…” from “The study has also found that 15 per cent of Canadians believe women can encourage or provoke sexual assault by flirting with a man…”.
    It is the activist who, blinded by ideology, purposely misinterprets “can encourage” for “are responsible”.

  6. red jeff >
    “19 per cent of the respondents believe that women MAY (my emphasis) provoke or encourage sexual assault when they are drunk”.
    No sane person intentionally encourages an assault on themselves, but some people are just too moronic to understand that you shouldn’t be walking down dark allies in the wrong part of town at night.
    Predators lurk where their prey is at its weakest advantage, for some it’s a bar at 3:00am.
    A woman doesn’t provoke or encourage a sexual assault when she’s drunk in the company of strangers, but in a vague sense she “did ask for it” whether she’s intelligent enough to understand that or not.
    That said there is also another breed of stupid woman that likes to tease and sexually arouse drunk men as a sport. Obviously with no intention of having sex with them once the teasing is over. I’m not certain if that’s encouraging an attack or not, but it’s something akin to poking a tiger with a stick then jumping into the pen afterwards by 3:00am.

  8. Hi Knight! Agreed. My sentinents exactly… both you and I are listed amongst those who say “are responsible” according to the activist interpreter. Yet, we can both see how there are contributing factors and that (in accordance with the survey) we would have answered ‘yes’ to the question posed as “may”. How significant that contribution isn’t asked for, just whether it exists or not. As such we, in an activists (oh-so-simple) mind, believe “a woman encourages sexual assault” when we believe nothing of the sort.
    That said, as Mum always say’s… “If you’re with the crows you’re gonna’ be shot”!
    PS… notice how there’s no breakdown as to respondents attitudes by sex? Wonder why?? 😉

  9. red jeff said:
    ” notice how there’s no breakdown as to respondents attitudes by sex? Wonder why?? 😉 ”
    Brilliant!

  10. Are we back to blaming the victim routine again? I’m sorry but the folks who figure a female should wear sack cloth or better yet a burka are just making excuses for sexual criminals and predators. The notion that man is nothing more than a big hormone waiting for an excuse is objectionable.
    Having said that, there are cultures that exist in this world that routinely punish females for merely being the object of some pervert’s carnal urgings. As long as religions and cultures condone this crap the assaults will continue. Being a woman or even a drunk woman is not an implied “OK” to be raped.

  11. “…Being a woman or even a drunk woman is not an implied “OK” to be raped…”
    I don’t think you’ll get any argument about that from anybody here. But it can be incredibly difficult allegation to investigate, a nightmare to prosecute, and a situation where the jury is often left with no choice but to decide guilt or innocence on credibility.

  12. I always think it is the fault of the rapist when a woman gets raped. But as to which woman gets raped, it’s possible that some women by their conduct influence the selection of victims.
    The police tell me not to leave valuables and the keys in my car because it will encourage thieves, and nobody comes out shouting that they are blaming the victim.

  13. Texas_Canuck >
    Mmmm, let’s try another analogy.
    You Texas, throw on a gay pride thong, wrap a Christian crucifix around your neck and waddle into a prayer procession circling the big black box in Mecca, of course drunk and belligerent with a bottle of Jack Daniels in your hand.
    I guess whatever happens was not your fault.

  15. **AHEM**
    The idea that a woman might actually contribute to an attack on her comes from “social signaling theory,” and it’s a sociological concept which has been championed primarily by feminist sociologists.  It’s really no different from stating that a man who walks into a known biker bar and starts provoking people by calling them out is much more likely to have the beejeezus beaten out of him.  It’s not his “fault,” technically speaking, because we expect that, in civilized society, people wouldn’t pound the stuffing out of him, but let’s face it — we’ve all seen this movie before.
    It’s just not that difficult to grok.

  17. It’s standard feminazi SOP to conflate the separate notions of making one vulnerable to attack and being at fault for that attack. The Feminzi is not aware of the logical fallacy, wanting only more fuel for narcissistic moral outrage.

  18. That is a bit of a leap, from leaving a bar at closing to wearing a rainbow thong in Mecca. Besides, I’m pretty safe in saying that images of most of the readers here in thongs, would be enough to get even Loki queezy.
    Just sayin’

  20. Texas Canuck – no it is not OK, but at the same time there is this just tiny problem of responsibility. Women just don’t ‘accidentally’ become drunk – they do it by knocking back more than a couple of shooters, beers and whatever else is at hand. They choose to drink, get drunk and then take NO RESPONSIBILITY for their actions. Any woman should be able to go to a bar and drink responsibly and leave and you know what, I think that happens probably about 99.9% of the time! The rest comprises of drunk women and very likely drunk men, doing irresponsible things, but the difference is that, come morning, while both may have regrets about their actions the night before, only one gets to call rape and PS it is not the guy!!!
    If women want to avoid this, they they go to the bar with their friends and one friend is assigned to not drink and to make sure her other friends get back home safe with no detours to some guy’s place that she just met (back to Judgy Bitch!)
    If we are going to assume that women are mature, responsible and equal adults, then they have to start acting that way or guess what, people will think that they deserve what happens to them!!! In the same way that we assume that when some guy gets drunk, gets in his car to drive away and gets pulled over for DUI that he ‘deserved’ it (which he did)!

  21. all I can say is that this study as written about in the article has NO credibility, zero
    I wish these idiots that conduct them and then try and present an opinion/theory would first learn how to do a study, and understand the limitations of said study
    and as some one said, behavior and presentation would certainly factor in the selection process

  22. Wow,Maureen…bang on. And the one’s that are drunk,drugged up,whatever,they screw it up for the real victims of rape by screaming rape.And contrary to popular belief,men can be raped to,by women.Been there.Try taking that to court.Try telling a prosecuter,that you,as a man didn’t want to have sex with three women who where crawling all over you.Good luck.

  23. By their assertions there should be no drink driving laws.
    Killed a family while drink driving “it wasn’t her fault, she didn’t ask for this”. – poof get out of jail free card.

  24. I’m just glad that I grew up in an era when a drunken woman one had sex with the night before didn’t suddenly, when sober, decide to lay a rape charge. It was just one of the accepted hazards of drinking too much. Male conversation in that era involved arguments over whether gin or vodka was the most appropriate form of “panty remover” to use. In my experience, diluted lab alcohol was just as effective.
    One of the things I’ve noticed about women is that now they seem to be very upset when one suggests that their hormonal state would make them behave differently than they normally would. For a short while I worked in a walkin clinic in New Westminster and a very frequent patient was a woman coming in for a morning after pill. Really a no brainer; ask her when she had sex to see if she was in the 72 hour window, give her 4 ovral and some gravol and feel pleased about making $25 for 2 minutes of work. However, I find work like this very boring and so, out of curiousity, I started asking these women when they had their last menstrual period. Because they were coming in for morning after pills they weren’t using any form of contraception. It didn’t take a large N to be struck by the fact that the vast majority of these women were likely ovulating at the time they, for some curious reason, had unprotected sex with a guy they’d just met at a bar or party. I’ve continued this little line of informal research over the years and it may be that women who come in for morning after pills know that they’re at their most fertile when the unexpected sex happened, but many of these women had to think very hard about when they had their last period.
    To me it was very simple; a women is about to ovulate and add alcohol to reduce inhibitions and suddenly she’s more aware of her hypothalamic imperatives and looking for a male to impregnate her. What I found out is that I shouldn’t mention this theory to female patients coming in for their morning after pill. Rarely have I seen such displays of anger from women taking extreme umbrage that I would dare suggest that they might be slaves of their hormones. They would usually haughtily leave while telling me that they were the ones who had been responsible for what had happened the night before, not their hormones.
    This denial of reality by women is rather curious as young men have no problem accepting the effects of testosterone in their lives.

  26. Who said anything about getting raped, LAS?
    Notice they didn’t even define “sexual assault.” What most people think of rape—an innocent woman being attacked by an animal with a loaded pistol or knife and forced to give him what he wants, or being passed around by a pack of savages who kill her when they’ve all had their fun—is a fact of life in Dar al-Islam. In Canada, in spite of attempts to import Muslims by the million, it’s almost unknown.
    With very few exceptions, all “sexual assault” means in this country is that a grown woman with the sense to know better drank more than she could hold, played the whore with one or more gallants till she passed out, and when she came to the next morning, her head still spinning and her knickers long gone, couldn’t think of a better reason to give her husband or her father why he shouldn’t fling her well-used, gonococcus-infested backside into the street.
    If feminists had any real interest in putting an end to rape, and not looking for excuses to drink and whore and make men clean up the mess they leave, they would be preaching their gospel in Tahrir Square (and I’d wish them the best of luck, because they’d be in need of it). Back in the real world, men who are serious about not having their wives and daughters make them look like fools should make it much more difficult to obtain alcohol. Barring women from pubs without their father or husband present would be a great start.

  27. I was hoping you’d chime in.
    “Barring women from pubs without their father or husband present would be a great start.”
    I have neither, Dick. Who should my owner guardian be?

  28. Hilariously, Dick rails against Islamic misogyny while asking for laws compatible with it.

  32. LAS – yes if both are because people (men or women) take no responsibility for what they do and accept no consequences. There is no excuse for anyone to drink and drive, and as a society we have accepted that individuals are mainly responsible for drinking too much to being with.
    If a woman chooses to drink to the point that they can no longer control their actions/responses there will be consequences to that choice (remember we have been told over and over and over again about the need to for women to have choice and to control their bodies – this is only an extension of that message!). And a drunk guy can get assaulted as well which is probably just as traumatic for him. But for some reason we insist that women are some kind of fragile flowers who should be equal in all things except in those that really count as in taking responsibility for their actions. The solution is simple – don’t get pie eyed drunk and you probably will not get assaulted. I would give the same advice to a guy.

  33. Maureen >
    You’re trying to rationalize moral equivalence with a self-professed pothead who defends Al Qaeda and pedophiles on any SDA thread that he can.
    Of course LAS cannot make the mental connection between the responsibilities and liabilities of drunk driving and drinking in dangerous atmospheres.
    As a society, if we didn’t interfere in the processes of natural selection as much as we do, this wouldn’t even be a conversation.

  34. Re: Dick Slater’s comment: Barring women from pubs without their father or husband present would be a great start.
    Was a time here in Alberta during the 50s and early 60s when taverns had separate areas – “Men” and “Ladies and escorts.” Disappeared along with the Social Credit government.

  35. It still sounds like you’re equating getting raped with driving drunk. No, it is not the same. If I get drunk and get assaulted, I am the victim. Perhaps a stupid victim but still the victim. That an illiterate peontard like Knight agrees with you is a strong indicator you are wrong.

  36. LAS >
    “If I get drunk and get assaulted, I am the victim”
    So if you get drunk and smash your car into a concrete wall and end up in a hospital, you are simply a victim?
    No worries, you are indeed a victim LAS, one of universal circumstances to be sure. Maybe someone did this to you, who knows for certain but you.
    When you drink you face off to the point of doing stupid things that you would not otherwise do sober, you cease to be an innocent victim. But of course that is why using alcohol and drugs as an excuse for bad, stupid, or criminal behavior doesn’t work in most court rooms or with employers.

  38. LAS >
    Is this about the pot again LAS?
    It is isn’t it.
    You need to get off the pot to understand concrete realities LAS.
    Of course as a pothead you would find kinship in any intoxicated circumstance not in favor of your tribal peers.
    We understand you plight, now move along before you victimize yourself even more than you have already.

  39. 1. If a woman, whether she’s wearing a hoop-skirt or a mini-skirt, is pie-eyed drunk — even if she’s so smashed that she’s unconscious and lying on the floor with her skirt above her waist — it does not in any way justify or excuse any man raping her. Period. There is zero excuse for raping anyone just because he/she is drunk, or unconscious/semi-conscious for any reason unrelated to alcohol.
    2. A woman who gets completely smashed in the company of strange men who are drunk is more likely to be raped than a woman who is sober and therefore more cognizant of her environment, including the behavioural indicators/predilections/attitudes of the men in her vicinity.
    3. See #1.
    A rapist — any rapist — is the one responsible for the for rape. But merely pointing out that being shit-faced drunk is a risk factor for being raped is not “blaming the victim.”
    To those who think it is, let me ask you one simple, simple, straightforward question: if you saw your daughter – or your sister — staggering into a bar full of a bunch of drunken frat-boy jocks, you would almost certainly do your darndest to intervene, to stop her, to get her out of there.
    *Why*?
    That’s what you call yer’ basic rhetorical question, eh?
    A drunk woman who is raped (in the traditional sense of “forcefully and against her will”, as opposed to morning-after regrets following consensual sex with a drunken partner) is a victim of a crime; a drunk man who is viciously assaulted while walking at 3 am in an alley in a bad part of East St. Louis is a victim of a crime. In both cases, intoxication and the resulting loss/lack of judgment/awareness were risk factors.
    To point this out is not to blame the victim of the crime for the actions of the perp, or to say the perp’s actions were legal, morally acceptable, or justifiable.

  40. EBD >
    Bingo.
    Nobody has given the rapist a pass on this thread, only highlighting the fact that intoxicated individuals that put themselves in what sober people would consider commonsense compromising situations are not blameless for injuries to themselves.

  41. I’ll tell you what I told Slater: I have no male relatives. Am I not to be allowed to venture into a public establishment? I would honestly like an answer to that question.

  42. Dick is a one-man-band banging two rocks together and singing in a proto-language on his front porch. He doesn’t make the rules for anyone — including himself, I think; there are darker forces at play.
    You are, it goes without saying, allowed to venture into any and all public establishments – unless, say, there’s a strict dress code, and you don’t happen to have a bow-tie handy.

  43. EBD, I normally let Dick fend for himself; he’s usually capable of it, and often deserves it. But it’s Orangeman’s Day today, a day so wild and crazy they named it after him. So let me speak in his behalf: he’s an old-fashioned guy with old-fashioned ways, many of which got old-fashioned for good reason, but despite his rich portfolio of shortcomings, he’s honestly loyal to what he was taught to be true. And there’s worse than that in the world.
    Stay loyal and true, Dick. And here’s a fart for the Bishop of Cork!

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