90 Replies to “Cold, Wet Hands”

  1. Yep.
    And I distinctly remember our hostess telling us (before Redford was elected) that she was a liberal shill. Turns out you were wrong about that one Kate: Alison Redford is a rat faced lying shrew AND a liberal shill.
    This is why you won’t re-re-register your guns when those liberal vermin revive the gun registry…and next time, you gunnies – vote for the Wild Rose.

  2. how many more ppl/animals do you think they could fit in that dingy? probly not many if any at all….buuuuutt i bet they have lot’s of room to hold more guns in there that was there sole intent!!

  3. Our nation’s police forces have garnered more public mistrust in the last ten years than they have managed to do since Confederation. And they have lost this support from the segment of the population that had always been their traditional allies: small c rural Canadians.
    The politicization of our police forces is just about a fait accompli.

  4. And the culprit IMO, Jamie MacMaster, is multiculturalism — hiring cops from newly arrived immigrant groups to make the police more “diverse,” more “open,” and more “tolerant.” ‘Problem is, they don’t know Canadian law, they tend to bring to their jobs the totalitarian ethos of policing from their countries of origin and their bosses, having been so brainwashed by the multiculti meme “all cultures are equal,” have not demanded from their police officers either discipline or adherence to Canada’s laws.
    In short, a mess, brought to us by multiculturalism, aka watered down law, watered down discipline, watered down professionalism. But at least the police force is “diverse.”

  5. I have a whole bunch of questions regarding this.
    A) Why didn’t the RCMP go to the evacuation center and ask “Since it will be days until you can return home, are there any people or pets in your home that we have to rescue?” It would have been much more efficient and by removing empty homes from the search rescue would have come sooner to those in need of it.
    B) Were all homes broken into or just those where a firearm owner lives?
    C) If you’re supposedly searching for pets, where are the animal control officers?
    D) Why were guns that were not in plain sight removed?
    E) Who gave the order to remove the firearms in the first place?

  6. At minimum we need a judicial inquest – what really needs to be done is the full legal Monty on the perpetrators of this criminal police action. It is so obvious RCMP brass are lying through their teeth that this alone should shock the unsympathetic into seeing the depth to which the police function has been corrupted by morbid political agendas.
    Bernardo has set the technical legal parameters within the firearms act for prosecution – no emergency in effect, when this was done, therefore this is a case of unlawful search and seizure, break and enter, theft of property, unlawful possession, illegally having/using personal data which was ordered destroyed by government, insubordination and possibly criminal conspiracy. It is easily proven because only firearms owners were violated. If the complicit Redford government won’t act on it, private prosecution is possible and Redford should be part of the inquest. After the culprits are identified they should be fired, personally sued for damages and incarcerated.
    As Bernardo and hunting organizations can attest, there is a large bulk of evidence to prove RCMP and provincial police have been running a pogrom of abusive quasi lawful enforcement against lawful firearms owners for over 30 years. It is time for them to atone. Police are fond of their media bites where they goon and abuse some lone little duck hunter or collector and take his gun on some grossly exaggerated charge which they excuse as “sending a message” (AKA intimidating lawful firearms owners). Well, this time a message needs to be sent to all politicians, cops and cop brass that think lawful firearms owners can be abused with impunity and that they alone interpret the meaning and scope the firearms law. This RCMP High River crime spree WILL be investigated, there WILL be charges, indictments, incarceration and law suits. This was one push too far.
    Those who own no firearms or who “hate” guns should be concerned because this instance of police violating the 900 year old legal sanctity of the personal domicile is UNPRECIDENTED. It has been increasingly evident that the leeway given police by the people and their government with virtual immunity from liability and extended powers has turned our once valiant defenders of the right into bullies, thieves and liars – the change comes now!

  7. Just what people in the midst of this disaster need, break and entry by the forces who are supposed to protect them. I’d feel further traumatized to have gumshoes clopping around my home and snooping around closets and taking belongings.
    This is what one would expect if the War Measures Act were declared. Shameful in a free society we assume we live in. The RCMP have no right or reason that’s legitimate so they have to make stuff up which amounts yo lies to save their own butts.
    We need answers, who will get to the truth?

  8. “…And the culprit IMO, Jamie MacMaster, is multiculturalism…”
    I think that multiculturalism is just one facet, or a symptom of the actual problem: creeping Lberalism (note the large “L”.
    And that can be traced back to Turdo la First – and our Canadian sheep who just couldn’t get enough of him.

  9. I am a High River resident. I was home sitting on my front porch when all this was going on. Maybe slightly off topic but I would like to mention how impressed I am with Danielle’s conduct during these times. She is a class act, no cheap politics, just a very caring person. I don’t understand Albertans reluctance to elect her government. I find Redford as phony as a three dollar bill and I don’t trust anything that comes out of her mouth. She wanted us to ignore all this silly business about taking doors down with sledge hammers and walking through peoples homes with muddy boots.

  10. Batb: is multiculturalism — hiring cops from newly arrived immigrant groups to make the police more “diverse,” more “open,” and more “tolerant.”
    I did not see a single ethnic cop in that video. Could you point out time when you did?
    What I saw was cops whose single goal was intimidation of population into paralysis and fear of government. This is consistent with their bureaucratic goal of ever increasing size of police force and budget – inventing new activities for which they can charge hours.

  11. “Those who own no firearms or who “hate” guns should be concerned because this instance of police violating the 900 year old legal sanctity of the personal domicile is UNPRECIDENTED.”
    Those who own no firearms or who “hate” guns won’t care or will cheer on the police, because they are willing to sell their fellow citizens up the road because of the evil guns they own.
    Then the next bogeyman will be invented, and citizens will sell the bogeyman citizens up the road, again. So on and so on. That is the society we live in.

  12. Alberta’s rent-a-cops victimizing victims to further an authoritarian agenda.
    Nice.
    Many parts of Alberta were flooded and evacuated – only the MLA riding of Alison Redford’s political opponent was robbed by her Federal renta-Stasi.

  13. Mikeg81 >
    “…..because they are willing to sell their fellow citizens up the road because of the evil guns they own.”
    In fact they are selling themselves up the road, but they are too near sighted to see their own toes.

  14. Just a quick note here, IMHO this was done to prevent anyone shooting -looters-, because some PINHEAD, probably named Alison, decided that was something likely to happen.
    You want to predict what cops will do, you have to think like an elitist liberal snob.

  15. Seems hypocritical to me to complain about confiscation of property when the rest of us are being forced to subsidize them re-building in the same place. A place that regularly floods.
    What about the confiscation of our property? Don’t see any Sun stories about that.

  16. Bill B.
    That was an ignorant and simply racist comment from batb, not at all relevant to this conversation.
    However, do not confuse the actions of the men and women on the front lines with the doctrine of their masters. Whatever perceived safety that was gained from collecting guns left “in plain sight” was far outweighed by the damage done to the trust of us citizens, as comments here demonstrate.
    They, along with other rescue groups, did a house to house search for victims. In the real world, this means forcing doors, looking under beds, in closets, etc. Places where children or frightened or mentally ill or injured people could be huddled. These are also places they would be likely to find guns. No doubt collecting all the guns legally stored was unnecessary, immoral and a reputation destroying exercise for the members themselves.
    “What I saw was cops whose single goal was intimidation of population into paralysis and fear of government.”…Bill B replied.
    However, I think it is dishonest, asinine and utterly self-serving to claim the police kicked in these doors for the sole purpose of collecting firearms, according to you, searching for flood victims not even on their minds.
    P.S. Valid point, stradivarious.

  17. RCMP breaking into citizen’s homes for their own “safety” is BS! Anyone here who thinks that it is good to have police come into your home while you are out without a warrant needs to experience this first hand to understand how violated you would feel. Especially if they rifle though your belongings and seize your property. When I was deployed to Quebec after the Ice Storm of 1998 there were no homes B & E’d by the police and here was looting going on all over the place at the time by Quebec citizens. Not one home was entered forcibly to search for people in distress. And there was a real chance that someone could freeze to death due to lack of electricity! Compared to High River, Quebec was a total free for all for thieves but no one had their firearms taken as a result. The RCMP have proven again that they are not to be trusted and not to be believed when they carry out their usual damage control by lying to us about it.

  18. Multiculturalism should be taken out of our system,people who come here need to be treated equally, adapt to our way of life and live as Canadians, no special compensations and rewards for being “different”. Everyone is free to practice their faiths, get educated, get employment as per their expertise, multiculturalism as it is now gives preference to those of different cultures, in fact it’s listed as a qualification for many of our public service positions, police services included.
    This majority Conservative needs to abolish it or we will have to assume they don’t agree that everyone is equal, some are more equal than others.

  19. Since it’s the Fourth of July, this is a relevant quote :
    “If ye love wealth better than liberty,
    the tranquility of servitude
    better than the animating contest of freedom,
    go home from us in peace.
    We ask not your counsels or your arms.
    Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you.
    May your chains set lightly upon you,
    and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen.
    Samuel Adams
    A large portion of the public does not really understand or defend Natural Rights (basic rights) such as property rights or economic and personal freedom. They may say they do but their “except for” is any activity that they personally disagree with – which makes the rights meaningless. This is why our rights should never be subject to the whims of the majority or the superiority complex of those who fancy themselves as more enlightened. BTW, this failure to defend rights seems to be an affliction that is present across political lines and races/cultures. You may even see it in the comments of SDA.
    The RCMP should face an inquiry as to how citizens rights were so easily tossed aside and the political class needs to guarantee that the flaws that led to this breach of basic rights are fixed.

  20. Here here Occam, jail for them all.
    None of these dirt bags should ever receive another dime of tax payers money.
    Who gave the order?
    Who was involved?
    Why just the riding of the Premiers political enemy?

  21. I see now Sun News is being “warned” that they were being “problematic” for going after this High River police break-in story – for not buying the official lies that are being offered. I think police brass are getting nervous of the Sun carrying stories every time they goon a duck hunter or a store owner for using self defense. The police state is finally on trial in the court of public opinion – no longer do we see a sycophant media unquestioningly supporting police bullying.
    As an addendum to this issue, I recall politicians and police calling gun owners conspiracy nuts when they predicted the poorly written gun law and expanded police discretion in it would lead to charter violations and warrantless search and seizure – essentially the end of the security of the home.

  22. A common misconception is that a man’s home is his castle.
    This might be true if the property owner had allodial title (akin to sovereignty). Truth is all property is held in fee simple, a derivative of feudalism. Failure to pay one’s property taxes will demonstrates this quite starkly – an auction on the court house steps and forcible eviction conducted by the new praetorian guard will soon follow.

  24. If people’s weapons were brought in only to protect their property from thieves then where are all the big screen TVs? Laptops? iPads?
    Some big wig up the RCMP food chain is sucking up for a political job after retirement. I think this is part of Turd-eaumania part deux. Liberal desk jockeys have been biding their time, waiting to come out when the gravy train pulls back into town.

  25. Police shill unmasked.
    Observer: ‘I think it is dishonest, asinine and utterly self-serving to claim the police kicked in these doors for the sole purpose of collecting firearms’
    Dirty boot tracks on the floor.
    Voice on the radio.
    Lack of specific rescue equipment.
    Lack of announcement of police entering. They could have done it just for the camera but have not.
    Your pants on fire, officer. Whitewash fail.
    At this point, after a few decades of violating our rights with brazen audacity, it does not matter what you and your masters might SAY. Only actions matter and they speak volume of systemic head to tail rot that set in in Canadian law enforcement.
    Being among those gun owners who happened to be on the receiving end of police baton figuratively speaking as regards to owning firearms, I do not trust any of you and don’t want any of you within mile distance near me. You are raiding homes like your own. The situation in Canada is so similar to the Intolerable Acts of 1770-1775 minus resolve.

  26. Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association sums it up well.
    Those who have not joined that organization should do so.
    As the provincial leaders of both the government and the Opposition in Alberta support the outrageous violation of the rights of their citizens, all of us, whether of Alberta or another province, must press our federal government to hold a judicial inquiry.
    The right to free from unreasonable search and seizure, is a right our ancestors fought, bled and died for.

  27. “..This is consistent with their bureaucratic goal of ever increasing size of police force and budget – inventing new activities…”
    Exactly. As one Police Chief told a civilian Police Services Board years ago, “If I have to make a choice between giving the appearance of providing police service, or actually providing it, I’ll choose the latter every time.”
    There would be very little place for this fellow today in the upper echelons of our large police services.
    Large police forces behave exactly like any other branch of government; full of the same inefficiencies, pretend jobs, make-believe positions, and arse-licking.
    Sadly, all the damning indictments (careerism, ethical deficiencies)of the Somalia Enquiry about the officers corps in the Canadian Armed Forces, would apply mutatis mutandis to a hell of a lot of the commissioned ranks in most Canadian police services.

  28. The Canadian Observer sees what he wants to see and disregards the rest. He and the fiddle boy.

  29. “…Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association sums it up well.
    Those who have not joined that organization should do so…”
    But I’d like to finish that sentence for Mr. Bernardo:
    …provided that they accept the fact that membership in this advocacy group does not relieve anyone of his civil responsibility to be politically active as an individual.

  30. “However, I think it is dishonest, asinine and utterly self-serving to claim the police kicked in these doors for the sole purpose of collecting firearms, according to you, searching for flood victims not even on their minds.”
    The dishonesty is all on the heads of police spokesmen who are lying about their actions and intent. Mathematically it would have been impossible to search every one of the over 5000 dwellings in High River looking for pets and people and collect several hundred firearms at a rate of 8 houses per hour and no night work. It seems more that probable they only went to homes they knew had firearms – and how could they know that without a registry list which was illegal for them to have as it was ordered destroyed? In the video and pictures where are all the gear needed to support stranded people and pets when found? They carried no blankets, first aid, food, rope etc. – but they had a locksmith and sledgehammers and crow bars.
    Use your reason Canadian Observer – all the evidence points to this being the result of a criminal conspiracy to confiscate firearms or at least test run to see if they could get away with warrantless entry search and seizure under the pretext of the firearms act – there is a rank smell about this, particularly the fact this was the only flooded are where it occurred. Wise up and stop worshipping police and government like it was some pure infallible force – it is deeply corrupt and it only acts above board when there are consequences to doing things despotically.

  31. I agree Occam…..and one other thing to keep in mind….when the Emergency Management Act was being debated, the issue of seizure of personal property was raised. Section 19 (1) says
    “On the making of the declaration and for the duration of the state of emergency, the Minister may do all acts and take all necessary proceedings including the following:
    (c) “acquire or utilize any real or personal property considered necessary to prevent, combat or alleviate the effects of an emergency or disaster;”
    That section created a firestorm of debate but the government said that it was not meant to confiscate personal property but was intended to be used in case some equipment (say a backhoe or something) would be helpful in handling the emergency, it could be effectively expropriated. The Act also requires compensation to be paid.
    Section 19(h) provides the authority to enter a building in an emergency…..(h) authorize the entry into any building or on any land, without warrant, by any person in the course of implementing an emergency plan or program;” BUT, it makes no mention of seizure.
    This is a very, VERY dangerous precedent and it must not be allowed to stand.

  33. Tony Bernardo mentions in the video how, at a rate of 6 homes per hour, it would have taken 40 days to search each house in High River for the private property the RCMP sought.
    They didn’t have to search every house for this private property, only the houses “they just knew” would have the private property they sought, just laying around.
    This is why, gun registration is in place, and “possession and acquisition licenses” exist.

  35. At least Harper fired a warning shot across the bow of the illegal activities by the RCMP. The Libs and NDP would be cheering them on.

  36. Yes, except there is nothing to say that a gun owner has his guns stored at his address. I’ll bet there are thousands of unlicensed gun owners out there who are very happy they didn’t register.

  37. “Could you provide a link for “Sun News being warned” please.”
    It was a sound bite from a reporter being interviewed in the Sun morning news show – I’m sure Brian Lilley or Levant will raise the issue latter in the day – tune in.

  38. Some time ago I refered to the Government of Canada as the largest terriorist org in Canada I was roundly critized for this by ET. I now feel exonerated.
    Liars, Theives, Killers, Extortionists, Bullies and Cowards. This describes terrorists and I beleive the government of which the KILLER ELITE AKA RCMP is the enforcement arm.

  39. I long ago lost respect for police. But events in High River prove these people are despicable enablers of terrorist governments. They have contravened their oath to serve the public and are worse than the average criminal who makes no pretense of helping society.

  40. I’m sure this nonsense will end when Harper gets his majority.
    Another fatuous comment from LAS. Even though it’s the RCMP, they are acting as a provincial
    police force, and taking their orders from Alberta politicians, and not the federal Tories.
    Harper understands and respects the various levels of government in this country, unlike, say, Bambam
    in our neighbour to the south. One more reason I like li’l Stevie.

  41. I’ve also referred to the Canadian government as the largest terrorist organization in the country. This means, under the laws that prohibit funding of terrorist organizations, that one is prohibited from paying taxes as this would fund the terrorists. Didn’t get a very good reception when I posted this some years back. However, might be time for a revival of this idea as the easiest way to strangle a kleptocracy is to deprive it of money.

  42. Joey – remember when this police pillaging was going on the emergency act had not been declared in effect yet -warrants were needed – also IF this has occurred under the declared emergency act, the legal definition of “building” does not include locked private residential dwellings or occupied dwellings – warrant or permission is still required to enter – these dwellings were NOT “abandoned the residents were ORDERED to leave – this is a well established legal definition.
    The swine who ordered this knew damn well what they were asking officers to do was patently illegal – it was a test to see if cops would comply and if we would go after them for it – testing the waters as it were for expanding the warrantless entry precedent by convention where a gun MAY be believed to be present – of course they knew the homes they were in DID contain firearms (properly stored by legal definition) because they either have an illegal copy of the registry data or they took a guss mating addresses with PALs – either way it was a planned act – mens rea – intent and culpability.
    We need to send a legal scud missile right into K division for this, then we need to find out where Redford was involved in this collusive act.

  44. As new excuses for inexcusable behaviour keep arising,
    it is only matter of time until they claim they were
    only searching for Anne Frank.

  46. Good one LAS perhaps a sharp stick needs to be poked into slumbering partisan droids to wake them up. It’s obvious Harper is scared of police brass and he will do nothing – if we bother him he will make the usual symbolic superficial actions to placate the support base who he totally ignores on policy making.

  47. Except batb has a point on current hiring practices, not to mention internal fast-tracking today. If I was male, white, under 30, with a university degree. And the hiring officers other candidate was male, *other race*(especially from high target groups like Chinese, Indian, or *insert arab*), under 30 with a university degree, they’d be hired before I was. Doubly so, if they were an immigrant with new citizenship. Following with that, they’d be fast tracked within the service to higher levels of responsibility in order to show that the service was being “compliant” with hiring and ensuring higher ranks had people of a diverse background.
    Here’s the reality in policing today: If you’re anything but white or male you’ll get in fast. If you’re female, and have disability, and not white you’ll get in even faster. It’s not about quality of an constable/officer, but the “face, sex and racial background” that count today. And why? Because the PC crowd have been pushing hard for “inclusiveness.” And I say all of that as someone who not only had 5 offers(to note I did 6 ECI’s in total–ECI=essential competency interviews), on two different occasions from different services here in Ontario, but had them offered to me at OPC when I was doing a fill-in for the person being interviewed. With the underlying hint that “I would move quickly up the chain.”
    And I haven’t even touched on how as a women I can abuse the hell out of this.

  48. My humblest apologies for trying to offer any logical opinion of the occurrences in High River during the flood. Really, how dare I stray from the narrow approved opinion on this site?
    In this time of great emergency, you want us to believe the local constabulary had no other commitments or responsibilities to tend to so it is not a stretch to think they would take precious manpower and resources to break into homes for absolutely no other reason than to confiscate guns that they knew they would be returning to the owners anyways.
    Paranoid, delusional and shallow thinkers bent on making a case for a conspiracy simply because that is what they need to believe.
    Please give generously to stamp out “group-think”. It is a terrible and destructive killer of logical thought.

  50. The “local constabulary” were to deal with the emergency itself. Not play seizure games. And there is considerable evidence that they DID take precious resources away to break into homes to confiscate guns. If there is any “group think”, it is in the vacuous heads of people like you.

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