RCMP to ban non-restricted rifle?
I know what you’re thinking… Swiss Arms Black and Green Rifles are non-restricted- there is no record of possession. Any confiscation or compensation (which would be a lot, these puppies cost a pretty penny) would be based on voluntary grounds of the owner.
Not so!
RCMP already indicated how they treat non-registered firearms confiscation during the 1990s (pre-registry days, post C-17 when a swath of semis were banned outright).
RCMP go to retailers, forcibly obtain the permanent firearms sales records and GO TO THE LAST LISTED ADDRESS OF PURCHASER!
Gun control never left Canada. Its just now visited upon people at night. Its gone underground.
Another broken promise from the so called Conservatives. This Government along with most in what was called the Democracies is just ore proof they are at war with their own citizens.
Hmmmmmm………… I guess i’ll be looking at hiding places for mine if this turns out to be true. F**k the RCMP!
No broken promises…just an out of control bureaucracy.
Remember all those CFA’s that defied an Act Of Parliament.
Well this opens up new avenues of policing. Just because it is easy. Or too easy to turn it from semi to fully auto is an intriguing justification for their actions.
Such logic is a wonderful justification for throwing every joint smoking hippie in jail for life because it is easy to go from that daily toke to full fledged heroine addict selling loaded needles to little kids through the fence at recess. Or every car enthusiast who might tune up the ride and turn it into a high speed highway killer.
So easy to maybe commit a future crime. So easy to extend police powers.
When the police move from suspicion of criminal activity to the possibility of criminal activity as justification for acting “in the public good” the slippery slope has been well and truly crossed..
The Gestapo, the Stazi, the KGB et al would be sympathetic and understanding.
I used to have 1 of those. “Gee, I can’t remember who I sold it to officer!”
Molon Labe.
This will turn out just like all those prohibited Ak 47’s that don’t exist in Canada anymore. Ya right.
Come on guys! Within a five years, they`ll have laser beams that will penetrate two inch thick armour! You’ll be able to take down a six point buck with a weapon that`s made of composite materials, weighs three pounds and uses two ”D” cells.
Firearms are ”Passé”
Check this out!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=FdYK-Ha2eSE
So the RCMP is like the ATF(&E) then? Both making up the rules as it suits them.
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But the RCMP are our friends, building relationships in the community, doing their thankless job keeping everyone safe.
I had to go look it up to see what it was, but this does not surprise me in the least. Most of the people in the rcmp don’t believe that civilians should have guns at all.
max “But the RCMP are our friends, building relationships in the community, doing their thankless job keeping everyone safe.”
Not the time for humour.
I have reported crimes – various types of theft – to the RCMP about a dozen times in a dozen years and I don’t get the feeling that once a report was filed that one minute was spent on investigation. Reported a $5000 theft within an hour and told them who did it. They took 2 weeks to arrest the person and the goods were long gone. The only conviction. I reported a break-in and identified the person on video and had an argument with a cop who thought he had a better suspect. The guy was transferred two weeks later and that was the end of it.
I knew someone who responded to a broken window alarm after a fresh snowfall and followed the trail to a convenience store and the cops wouldn’t charge the teenagers. I know another person that a break-in video, in the middle of the night, showed his broken window with one guys legs sticking out the window opening with an RCMP car driving by and doing nothing. You never see a cop in our town at night but you go into the police station and there is about half the force with theirs thumbs up ….
My experience with the RCMP is that their goal is maximization of annoyance to law abiding citizens and a general toleration of criminals.
Arresting criminals is a waste of police time with the current catch-and-release “justice” system. Law-abiding citizens are much easier to deal with, especially the licensed gun owners who have demonstrated a willingness to go out of their way to comply with onerous regulations. Confiscating guns from the law-abiding produces real statistics they can take to the politicians and the press and show they have been doing something.
“..Firearms are ”Passé”…”
Maybe. But I bet you haven’t turned yours in, have you? 😉
Seriously though. With all the CPC crap hitting the fan (Auditor Gen’l, F-35s, Duffy pocketing pigpen expenses) Harper & Co.
will be able to say that they are much too occupied to deal with stuff like this.
Kind of like having your hired man say, “Thanks for paying me, and I’d really like to help you out today, but I shat myself a little while ago because I was out all night drinking, and now I have to take the day off so I can go home and wash and change.”
yuppers, a lot of cops (not just RCMP)like to think they are the only ones to be trusted with a powpow stick Used to have a ETF (extra tuff fuzz) shooter as a customer, his attitude towards the commoners having guns was negative, and the norm for most cops, even the “good” cops
Another day.
Another unfortunate boating incident.
Yes, but then what exactly has the federal government done to put a stop to it – nothing. I find much the same with the promise of curtailing the abuse done by our Gestapo tribunals called HRCs. Even that is stalled in the Senate with the help of Conservative Senators. Furthermore, I am still waiting for the PM to come out publicly and strongly on the side of free speech. To date it all seems to be a shell game or smoke-and-mirrors to give the impression that they are correcting the damage done by the Liberals while in reality not doing much at all. I won’t even bother touching on the growth of government and spending nor the refusal to privatise the CBC.
Alain “Even that is stalled in the Senate with the help of Conservative Senators. Conservative senators brought us the whole expenses scandal. I suspect they have a high ratio of retards, with apologies to retards everywhere. The senate has been paying expenses the same way for 150 years and the Conservative senators had to devour their young without warning. As Brazeau said, he asked about expenses and was told how to claim them. The idiots should have tackled the senate expense scandal and ended it the first week. Instead it has dragged on for months and Mike Duffy’s trial will be coming up just before the next election. And we wonder why Trudeau is staring in the mirror saying “Prime Minister Justin Trudeau.”
Arbitrary civilian gun grabbing and “item” banning/outlawing is just another blatant indicator that police authority functions as a separate entity outside government/public oversight or policy making. Police have been changing tactics, policy, attitude and, to a large degree, purpose for over 3 decades. Police administrators now see themselves as policy enforces for an occupying force which is here to make us tow their uncoded policy line – much of this policy they create themselves (in collusion with PC “policy facilitators”) to consolidate power and overreach. The signs are everywhere – every day there is a couple of incidents of police arbitrarily being policy makers, law makers/interpreters, judge, jury and executioner = with little real consequence and reactionary defence of the atrocious action by police brass/political officers. It’s a dangerous trend and if unchecked will lead to police state oppression of civil liberty.
No place is police overreach and abuse of authority more evident than in the gun control policy enforcement (the grey area open to police interpretation). Harper, against the best efforts of party experts, was warned that removing just the costly ineffective registry from the Liberal- abominated firearms act left the most intrusive, unconstitutional and abusive sections intact. He turned a deaf ear to the party membership, his advisors and experts on the act and removed only one small portion of the civil atrocity leaving the worst part – arbitrary police interpretation and classification of civilian firearms, intact. We have seen this used to abuse and oppress lawful owners for decades – now another round of police purging (they cannot justify the bans and do it to intimidate owners) begins anew. With Firearms officers openly giving the justice minister the finger and a private class action launched against them, Harper better address this problem pronto – or h won’t make the cut at the next leadership convention.
Personally I believe this Harper government to scared crapless of the police chiefs and the RCMP so don’t expect a CPC government to put a spike in the police state creep.
Harper is not only spineless, his government is broken. They’ve reached a threshold where they can’t just shrug off the damage. Not that it matters. Remember, Harper hates freedom. I’m sure he’s A-OK with this. Stupid peons will just send him a check and a ballot anyway.
I’m afraid I have to agree with you LAS, sigh.
Provinces and towns or cities that contract out
to the RCMP are governed by idiots. Provincial
forces are bad enough on their own, why go the
full stomp on freedom and put the fed foxes in
charge of the provincial hen house?
Tradition? BS !
On the bright side,June is “gun amnesty month” in BC. If you have unwanted or unused firearms, just call your local police station and they will come pick up your firearms. DO NOT bring the guns to the police fortress!!
bcgunamnesty.ca
Yes,if you’re an elderly widow,and you husband has left you with thousands of dollars worth of Sako and Mannlicher hunting rifles topped with Zeiss and Swarovski scopes, don’t try to sell them to bolster your meager income, call the cops,and they’ll see the guns are properly disposed of,right into their own private collections.
A comment at the link mentions “compensation” if the RCMP place the rifle in question into the restricted category. Not f***ing likely will anyone ever get any compensation. It is NOT the Canadian way.
I guess there is soon to be a run on PVC piping again. If you have a plumbing project in your future go buy pipe while you can still get it.
Harper is simply doing what every other politician is doing regardless of their particular form of partisan retardation…..putting his party ahead of his country.
I supported Harper in the belief he would take us off the wasteful, arrogant, divisive and pork barrelled dead-end highway the Libs had us on.
Instead, he just planted his foot on the gas.
Yeah yeah yeah. Go tell that to the flits at Canadian Gunnutz. They’ll blow you for wooden nickels and give you five cents change.
As for me – if you are coming to steal my guns, you canary legged poltroons…bring yours. You are gonna need ’em.
What do you mean I`ve never turned my firearms in? I threw them all in the deepest well I could find, on an abandoned farm in Saskatchewan.
As a matter of fact, the well was do deep that when I got to it, I threw a pebble down the well. I couldn`t hear a thing. So I went and got a rock the size of a baseball, threw it in the well, again, nothing happened. Then I saw a rock the size of a basketball, I carried it to the well, threw it down the casing, never heard a thing.
Then beside the old barn, I saw a cast iron block from an older Ford truck. It had a length of chain tied to it, so I grabbed the chain and with great effort, dragged the block to the well. I managed to lift it up and throw it in the well. I heard nothing.
About a minute later, a damned old mule come along and jumped right into the well. I was shocked. I stood beside the well for about a minute, then I heard a loud ”kerpluck.” Still in shock from watching that mule jump into the well, I realized that the well was very deep. Perfect place to dispose of my guns.
I was even further in awe when an old farmer dressed in blue coveralls and a straw hat walked up to the well and asked, ”Say sonny, you haven`t seen a mule around here have you?”
”Yes I have” I replied. ”Out of the blue, it ran up here and just jumped into this well. Where did the mule come from??”
”Just over there” said the farmer. ”I had it tied to an old Ford block with a 20 foot chain.”
You and sasquatch have it right. The bureaucrats have told Toews how things actually work and who is in control or are ignoring him and doing their own thing.
Furthermore, those of you who are not members of the National Firearms Association should join, and furthmore you should let you MP know that you oppose the Canadian Government ratifying the UN Arms Trade Treaty. It was bad enough that they signed on, although to be fair the Canadian negotiators were able to have the preamble changed somewhat to reflect recognition of some legitimate civilian uses for firearms.
Don’t kid yourself folks, the ultimate aim is to totally disarm civilians.
So if y’all aren’t going to support the CPC in the next election,just who the hell are you going to support?
You have to write/call/email your MP’s on a continuing basis and not just on gun bans. Protest against to stupid decisions as well, welcome back Kadar for example.
We have to stay engaged. There are a lot of CPC supporters who support crap like this and they are involved.
As well take note of one of Kate’s standard headlines: “Not Showing Up For The Riot…”.
Since Bill C-68 I have not seen one demonstration; not one??
There is still a lot of back door registry going on. Our MP says the only sales records legally required are for business income tax returns. Our local store was putting sales in a ledger with PAL # etc and getting customers to sign- not required or legal. Stopped when confronted. We need to boycott anyone doing back door registry and publicize their acts so others will avoid them.
Thanks for that Gunney99. Whinging that the RCMP are bullies gets us nowhere. Yes they are bullies. How do you manage bullies? Get up in their face, is how.
The Swiss Arms rifle is a SIG operating system. It is no easier or more difficult to convert to full auto than an AR-15 or an FN FAL. You need a machine shop and a gunsmith to run it, as far as I know. Which is pretty far. Therefore the RCMP are clearly full of it.
Of course the SIG or Swiss Arms rifle is no different than an AR or an AK, operates from a turning bolt, gas driven, magazine fed semi-auto. The entire classification system is BS, so the RCMP is just adding some more to the giant mountain that’s already stinking up the joint.
So call your MP, call Uncle Vic, and call PM Steve and tell them how you feel. Every frisking week. Better yet, GO VISIT YOUR MP. These guys respect in person visits. Don’t be a d1ck if you go, just tell them how it is. Tell them you’ll give em money if they reign in the cops. Honey catches more flies.
This is a sweet gun. If the RCMP won’t let me buy one I’ll buy a printer and make myself an AR 15 instead. The RCMP are no longer a police force, they are just part of the tax collection system, whether traffic or drug bust the penalty for most crime is a fine.
To echo Phantom, Ken Kulak, and gunney99 – if you sit on your arses and don’t write your MPs, you WILL eventually lose your guns.
Every politician wants to take a path of little or no resistance. And if they aren’t getting angry letters, well, I guess there’s no resistance.
It’s easy to tweet, blog and chatter anonymously – but it achieves absolutely nothing of value as far as constructive change is concerned.
There are a lot of CPC supporters who support crap like this and they are involved.
If their ‘involvement’ involves supporting the CPC, then they are the problem.
Yes write letters and the like. And feeding the Team Blue hand that bites you.