PoliceOne Gun Control Survey

36 Replies to “PoliceOne Gun Control Survey”

1. I suspect that many of our Canadian front line police officers would agree with this poll, in contrast to the bureaucrat police chiefs. I seem to recall a few poorly reported comments during the firearms legislation days by front line police not agree with the effectiveness of the Liberal las.

2. When was the last time politicians allowed common sense to interfere with a decision. Politicians are not interested in public safety, individual rights or personal freedom. They are interested in votes.

3. Oh my….this is awkward indeed. Same kind of result as in the gun registry debate.

4. Yeah well this survey is contaminated by poor selection of the respondents. It is squewed by consulting unqualified street cops who are ttotally aware of matters of policy. Only senior officials should have been consulted because policy is where their expertise is.
   (sarc\)

5. Ken (Kulak) >
   “I suspect that many of our Canadian front line police officers would agree with this poll”
   They would, as RCMP polled proved during the totalitarian Liberal Long Gun Registry debates.

6. It makes no difference what the heat on the beat think about the anti-constitutional laws their masters make them enforce, they will do as they are told and use the “Nuremberg excuse” to rationalize the tyranny they are aiding. No Knock raids, gooning people, machine guns and military ordnance, taser pain compliance, ad hoc law creation, militant authoritarianism they are comfortable with all of it or they would quit and find another line of work more conducive to their moral.ethical standards.
   It is stunningly obvious our police have changed in mindset, agenda and tactics, and not for the better.
   I read recently about a guy in NY state who had the police raid his home, and take his guns because a teacher at his son’s school was scared by a water pistol his son had. Absolutely unconstitutional and immoral behavior by police but they did it anyway. Same for the cops who kidnapped a handicapped Vet and stole his firearms (all quite illegally without warrant).
   We live in an era where our Bureaucrats and politicians have become imperialist authoritarians, they pull their power by collapsing our rights and liberty, the police are integral to that agenda. It is at a point where we must adopt an “us and them” mentality because every contact with police is likely to be an unpleasant one. They are the face of the leviathan, no longer public servants and protectors, they protect the continuity of an ever expanding top down abusive authoritarianism.
   Never forget that there were a lot of average family men in the police function who did not like what they were doing rounding up Jews for “relocation”, but they did it anyway to keep their paycheck and stay out of trouble. This is where no police/military resistance to tyranny ultimately leads. Police have a duty (by the nature of their privileged position)to oppose the unjust or unconstitutional or illegal orders of their superiors. Those who do not oppose tyranny become part of it.

7. Ken,it’s old news that Chretien bought the Canadian Assn’s of Chiefs of Police with a multi-million dollar donation of taxpayer’s money to the CACoP pension fund,otherwise they might have dared to have individual opinions on the subject instead of marching in lockstep.
   The old saying has to be tweaked just a bit, “we have the finest police CHIEFS money can buy”.
   I’ve spoken to many individual police officers,none has ever said the gun registry was useful. They know damned well it’s just a sop to nervous and naive liberals.

8. Well said, Occam.
   To that I can only add that the police have had an us(Brothers in Blue) and them(the rest of us) mentality for a long time and the growing Police State is something that just gives them greater prosperity and security. They’re already in the place where cops just wink at each others law breaking(been there for awhile) so another law isn’t going to affect their liberty as it affects ours.

9. The whole survey is a treat. Proof if any were needed that contrary to the lies put about by mainstream media types still bitter about noise complaints, speeding tickets and possession busts from their university days, there are precious few stupid policemen.
   The only question left is what the “other” answers given for the causes and best ways to prevent mass killings. I suspect many of those “other” answers for the causes were variations on “uncontrolled breeding and importation of riffraff by rich liberals too lazy or proud to do their own housework.”
   The solutions presumably included variations on “halt non-European immigration to the United States, and help us send non-Europeans packing” and “spay our Jezebels, because there aren’t enough good homes or basketball teams for all the pups.”

10. Speaking of Mainstream Media….
    Punch this up and see how many hits are ABC, MSNBC, CBS, CNN………
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=gun+confiscation+underway&go&qs=n&form=QBLH&pq=gun+confiscation+underway&sc=0-20&sp=-1&sk
    Then remind me why registration isnt a prelude to confiscation?

11. Ken, there was a survey/poll done by a serving police officer, shortly before the LGR debates, essentially, it said the same as the above poll. The CACP, went ballistic, and squealed like banshee’s over the release of the information..

12. Well said Occam. I have read more than enough personal pot-regime stories of NKVD and SS policemen who did what they had to as they feared the consequences of appearing to disagree with what was happening. After work they went home to their families and left the job behind.
    Rather than quickly like in the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, it is happening slowly and in stages.

13. Well Put. Only a fool can believe allowing just criminals access to guns makes for a safer society.

14. The question should have been, “do you think smaller magazines would minimize the damage/destruction caused by criminals?”
    A lot of those Newport kids would be alive today if buddy had to change his magazine more often. He never would have gotten off so many shots.
    But hey… what’s a few little kids? You guys have to be ready to fight the gubnerment, or Blacks, or Mooslims, or radical Feminazis, or dopesmokers, or any of the other long list of people you fear.

15. John >
    “A lot of those Newport kids would be alive today if buddy had to change his magazine more often.”
    John a firearms expert as well?
    A lot of those Newport kids would be dead if he used a diesel/fertilizer bomb, and allot more would have lived had there been a capable armed adult in the school.
    Of course it’s never the psychotropic drugs this guy was on, along with 99% of all other homicidal maniacs for you people is it?
    http://www.cchrint.org/school-shooters/
    As a self professed firearms expert why won’t you make a list of all the other ways this guy could easily have killed more kids than he did, most people here could.
    Google :
    Psychiatric drugs linked to mass murder
    Educate first, then STFU

16. John,
    You do know that Bill Clinton offered Police Protection to Schools during his term in the 1990’s. These are some questions that need answers
    1. Why did Newtown Conn Schools refuse that Protection?
    2. Was Police Protection a bone of contention between teachers
    in Newtown’s Sandy Hook School System ?
    3. Did the shooters mother, a teacher, have an opinion? She owned the Guns and the Clips & ammunition. Was she planning to be the shooter?
    4 The Shooting IMHO was not a random Act. What was the reason he targeted the children?
    When the MSM finds time to look for the answers do you think intellegent parents will sue the State? What about insurance?

17. Unfortunately, the 2.7% yes-men are likely the ones that make the rules. Anyway, given the right inducement, ie anarchy via mass-pestilence or financial collapse or any of a number of plausible causes, even the no-voters will be forced into situations where lawlessness is overwhelmingly tempting. The monsters are among us, and they are us. The uniformed ones merely have a head start because they already have the guns. Hang onto yours by hook or crook, you’ll need them. The pressure to disarm is temporary, and will be replaced by a shoot-on-sight everyone for himself melee, and that is what will bring the brave blue helmets upon you for “normalisation”.

18. The pessimist in me says that this survey will result in measures designed to prevent officers from voicing unfavourable opinions in the future. Screening, sensitivity training, whatever.

19. According to an author I’m reading (Kevin Dockery), mass murders began to gather in popularity with the mentally insane after television became prevalent in our living rooms. The sensationalizing of Oswald in the Kennedy assignation is near the beginning.
    As well, the occurrence of these evil deeds occur in Western Europe about as often as in North America, so there goes the “gun culture” theory.

20. the facts of magazine capacity and jumping the assailant while he is changing magazines do not support your position.

21. You tell us. What indeed are a few children? If like most liberals you think there is no God and everything is permitted, what are a few dead children but a slow day at the Morgentaler clinic?
    As if you cared if they lived or died, if it made it easier for the likes of you to get what you think you want—the plain people of America disarmed, as a first step to driving them into exile or extinction, and replacing them with a “multicultural” rabble of whom the womenfolk will not complain about cleaning the bathroom or the pipes even of lazy, useless trash like you.
    It was you liberals who insisted there was no such thing as mental illness and demanded the asylums be shut down. (This, of course, was mostly because it had become clear to normal people that practically all committed leftists were blatantly psychotic, sociopathic, or both, incapable of functioning in anything resembling civilized society without harming others, and had no business anywhere in this vale of tears outside an unmarked grave or a padded cell in a supermax prison under 24-hour surveillance.) Thanks to you there was no good way to deal with an Adam Lanza until he killed someone. You couldn’t have had any more of their blood on your hands if you’d pulled the trigger yourself.
    At least be man enough to admit that. At least be man enough to admit you’d have killed as many or more in a heartbeat if you thought you’d have gotten away with it. At least be man enough to admit that if there’s no God and everthing is permitted, there’s no better “lulz” than slaughtering people just because they annoyed you, or because they wouldn’t let you do what you wanted, or because you thought it would be better sport than any video game. At least be man enough to admit Adam Lanza is your hero.
    That’s why the rest of us plan to keep our guns—to be able to stop monsters like you before you harm a hair on our children’s heads, not after.
    The only reason I won’t ask the devil to take you is that you’ve given him all the permission he needs.

22. Stefan has the right of it.
    The police chiefs and the brass will come out in favour of it because they are lickspittles seeking approval and future political appointments down the road. Justice is irrelevant; the big thing for them is to get their nose firmly up the butts of liberal power brokers.
    I urge Canadians right now: you have a window. Beg, borrow or steal the money and buy one of the following:
    Norinco M14
    IWI Tavor
    VZ58
    Swiss Arms
    These guns are non-restricted and the pasty faced liberals will try and ban them sooner or later. If you buy them now they cannot be registered in the future without your say-so. Get yours NOW, and at least 1000 rounds of ammo for it. At the rate the liberals are going we will soon need these guns to vote with.

23. Dick Slater @ 4:45pm >
    Well said!
    Moonbats like “John” cannot conceive that one future day a tyrannical government may do some very bad things to them once they create the environment to be helpless victims.
    I’m sure that in John’s history expertises it’s never happened before, and would never happen again, especially to really hip & cool people.

24. Well said. Obviously our friend John has never had family that lived in a police state.

25. I agree, Well said, Dick Slater @ 4:45

26. Do your part and take a liberal to the range. A few hundred bucks and an SKS later and they’re a gun owner and future conservative.

27. You are correct …. it was the police chiefs and the union bosses that were pimping registry on behalf of the liberal and dipper masters.

28. New poll question: Would licensing X-Acto knives reduce random stabbings?

29. The police represent ‘institutionalized force’ – the weight of the government and it’s laws against the ‘rights’ of the citizen.
    When the police are ordered to march….they march. They carry out governments orders in a democracy or dictatorship.
    They are not your friends.

30. John. Only 20 odd bullets were used to kill all the kids. The rest was just wasted ammo, for effect, all for show. He had enough time to dispatch them with a single shot firearm, my old Cooey for instance. It was never about the gun as weapon, it was always about the theatre. You bought the show you dumb fcuk. Mission accomplished.
    You clowns on the left are dumber n a sack of hammers. Really.

31. ‘You clowns on the left are dumber n a sack of hammers. Really“.
    I resemble that remark!

32. “…Do your part and take a liberal to the range. A few hundred bucks and an SKS later and they’re a gun owner and future conservative.”
    Reminds me of a bumper sticker I saw in North Dakota:
    “Take a liberal to your range…but go home alone.”

33. “A lot of those Newport kids would be alive today if buddy had to change his magazine more often. He never would have gotten off so many shots.”
    ~John
    Most people on this site(conservatives in general) don’t take Wikipedia seriously as a reference because it has such blatant Leftist bias in what are suppose to be encyclopedic entries.
    nevertheless, From Wikipedia:
    –Lanza stopped shooting between 9:46 am and 9:49 am after firing 154 rounds with the rifle. He reloaded frequently during the shooting, sometimes firing only fifteen rounds from a thirty-round magazine.
    [emphasis mine]
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Lanza#Shooting
    Not firing out an entire magazine before reloading a fresh mag is called a TACTICAL RELOAD. It is done by shooters so that the targeted people do not know when a reload is coming even if they are able to overcome their terror and count the rounds being fired.
    In addition to the AR-15, Lanza had a 10mm Glock handgun and a 9mm SIG Sauer P226 handgun. He was NEVER EMPTY because he always had a loaded gun.
    None of those Newport kids would be alive today if John’s buddy had had to change his mags more often, Lanza changed them when he felt they needed changing not when they were fired out.
    FACT: The capacity rifle magazines are irrelevant.
    Why?
    Lanza had 2(TWO) loaded handguns with him in addition to the rifle.

34. Well said Occam. Just started reading an online book about the role of physicians in the elimination of “useless eaters” and Jews in Nazi Germany. Physicians, as a group, had the highest membership in the Nazi party and viewed elimination of undesirable groups as analogous to removing “societies diseased appendix”. All train loads of “undesirables” coming into Auschwitz had a physician on site to screen every individual coming off the train to determine if they went into a slave labor camp or for immediate elimination. All done with the finest in Teutonic efficiency by the way.
    From what I’ve seen in my interactions with police over the years, they view themselves more and more as guardians of the state and are unwilling to tolerate any deviation from the statist path they have been put upon. I miss the days when the primary qualification to become a policeman was the ability to wade into a bar fight and, after 10 minutes, be the only one still standing. Now most of the police seem to be extreme statist ideologues who would likely be perfectly comfortable running a concentration camp and who have the view even a verbal affront to their authority as sufficient to taser someone or shoot them.
    There are still some of the old style cops left and I’ve seen a few of them in hospital looking back on the fights they got into during a previous more collegial era where throwing a punch at a cop usually ended up with the person getting the crap beat out of them, a night in the drunk tank and kicked out in the morning with an admonition to not do it again in the future. I view a large part of this problem as a result of having female police who can’t use old-fashioned male dominance tactics in dealing with people.
    In the US the majority of the population still believes that the constitution is the basis of government and that includes the second amendment. Thus, there are many states in the US where the police will tell people that they should be armed for their own defense and get a CCW. Shooting an intruder in ones home in US gun-friendly states doesn’t result in an automatic arrest but rather a visit by the police to remove the body and a gathering of facts. I’d believe this poll in the US would be valid but in Canada the police are just the Gestapo dressed in different uniforms.
    The worst statists among police forces in Canada are the RCMP and this organization should be kicked out of BC and Alberta and the provinces should set up their own provincial police, hopefully based on Peels principles of policing. Also, recruiting police from a small community would prevent the excesses of the RCMP who have no local links to people. It’s gotten to the point where many people I know wouldn’t call the police in any circumstances and prefer to settle matters in their own way. Statist ideologies bring out the worst in people especially if the state has defined such individuals as having a special part to play in the implementation of the statist agenda.

35. Kate – As I explained last night, you really can’t infer much from that survey.
    Hate to disappoint almost everyone here, but the survey is flawed.
    I’ll probably add a little more to my post later today.
    This doesn’t mean that American police officers favour more gun control, just that we can’t tell from that survey

36. Jim; you are correct in your assessment of the survey. It is not accurate 19 times out of 20 with a possible error of +2/-1%.
    It does however, portray the opinions of those interested enough to respond to a survey. I do not think it can be said that only those against the stated gun control methods would respond. Those in favor would be just as enthusiastic and probably more so. And in my limited experience the anti’s are usually much more zealous that the pros.
    Yes the survey is not as accurate as an Ipsos-Reid poll, but it portrays the opinion of those who show up.
    And the world is run by those who show up!