Not Anti-Semitic. Just On The Side Of Eliminating Jews.

Religion Of Submission 144 Comments

For the ten thousandth time, you silly little conservative simpletons – it’s not anti-semitic to protest the apartheid Zionist entity may their stomachs roast in hell…
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Via Kathy Shaidle – “A reporter on Global-TV last night said police had told her they are expecting 15,000 protestors outside the Israeli embassy on Saturday.”

144 Replies to “Not Anti-Semitic. Just On The Side Of Eliminating Jews.”

  1. Posted by The Phanthom: “different bob, soldiers? With live ammo? In Canada? Not a frickin’ chance. The DoD would let ’em burn half of downtown before they’d even turn a wheel. They let them burn the whole 416 area code before they issued live ammo”
    Question:
    They’d let them burn half of downtown and the whole 416 area code………..is this a bad thing?
    Why would anyone want to stop it?

  2. The longer we can stay engaged in productive discussion, the less likely it is we’ll have to resort to shooting each other.
    Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2009 5:26 PM
    Excellent Alex! Your post is probably the best bit of satire I’ve encountered at sda. Satire is often too obtuse or too subtle, to be detected as satire. You, however, get it just right.

  3. Wow, 15,000 I wonder how much “protection” money the Canadian government will give the Palestinian protesters this time?
    I heard that the Harper government pledged 4 million dollars the other day to feed the army of Hamas when only a couple of thousand hate lobbyists showed up on Toronto streets. With that kind of return, can you possibly imagine that the government will cave into with 15,000 of them now? I’ll bet enough to equip the psychopathic army of Hamas with enough long range rockets to last the year! They may even get some child sized suicide vests thrown in as a bonus if they demand enough money for medical supplies!!!
    Wake up Canada!

  4. Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2009 6:28 PM>
    “”GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY!!” every time I hear about someone whom I disagree with”
    Now that has to be the most naive understatement of the problem with Islam I’ve ever heard.
    “Wanna kick me out of Canada too, now?”
    Well to be honest, with that pompous naivety of the world that you live in, I’d have to say yes! I would very much like you to live amongst some other cultures around the world for awhile before you bleat off as the “all knowledgeable one”. Many of us have already been there and done that, and our rationality is founded upon understanding the issue with feet grounded. Sorry, I know that it would be an extremely harsh ego deflation if you actually took my words as serious criticism, but we both know better don’t we?

  5. alex – yes, I agree with you. We are committed to freedom of speech. It’s vital and shutting down some demonstration because we/someone doesn’t like what they say violates that fundamental right.
    However, with regard to the I-P situation, I don’t think that discussion is enough; there has to be economic action. Economic action that enables the Palestinians to have their own economy, one that enables them to participate in the world.
    As for us, who are not there, and who can only discuss the situation – as you say, freedom of speech is basic and fundamental. Freedom of speech, freedom to access information, freedom to ask questions and explore – these are vital freedoms.
    Just think about our reaction to the HRC cases which have tried to shut down the right to critique and examine and, importantly, make up our own minds whether to accept or reject other opinions.
    Think about our reaction to The Coalition, which was a specific action against our right as a people, to choose our own government. We rejected that agenda.
    Freedom to dissent is important.

  6. “They cannot be deported, the Charter won’t allow it.”
    The Charter can be changed. It’s our country.
    “The way to overcome our differences is through rational dialog – through discussion and education.”
    The Islamic ideology and those who adhere to it are irrational. Therefore, you cannot have a rational dialogue. Same goes for discussion.
    And as far as education goes. The ‘magnificent 19’ were all University educated. The Mumbai mass murderers were all University educated. The bombers in Scotland and England were doctors. In fact, many of these terrorist Muslim organizations are boasting that they are attracting Engineers, Scientists, Doctors, etc. A degree doesn’t make one rational, nor civilized.
    “…while alienating people with whom you may have found common ground.”
    What common ground? Stoning for adultery? Throwing gay people off the tallest building? Honour killing? Genital mutilation? Jew hatred? Prayers that include cursing infidels 17 times a day? Following a mass-murdering, pedophile, thief? Expecting to get extra rewards in paradise for killing innocent people?
    Next answer, please.
    …………….
    I think I’ll go down tomorrow with a video camera.

  7. “alex – yes, I agree with you. We are committed to freedom of speech. It’s vital and shutting down some demonstration because we/someone doesn’t like what they say violates that fundamental right.”
    Well, at least ET agrees with somebody.
    “doesn’t like what they say” Let’s see, things like:
    “Hitler didn’t do the job” – Muslim protester in Toronto
    “Back to the ovens” – Muslimah protester in Ft. Lauderdale
    “I’ll put a bullet between your eyes” – Muslim protester in San Francisco
    Check.

  8. It is important to remind some of the headline of this protest: “Israel must not exist any longer.” I beleive we have a right to freedom of speech, but never to do with the destruction of others. It is one thing to say you are protesting against the conflict, quite another to protest for destruction. And I would say the same for either “side”.
    Should this not be a specific issue to bring to the CHRC? (not that I agree there should be one, but..) This is nothing but hateful and there are organizations that have attached their names to this.

  11. However, with regard to the I-P situation, I don’t think that discussion is enough; there has to be economic action. Economic action that enables the Palestinians to have their own economy, one that enables them to participate in the world. ~ ET
    What enabling action would you propose? Beat rockets in plowshares? Establish a government funded welfare system? Hi-tech computer chip manufacturing?
    Most importantly what part would Hamas play in this action?

  12. I don’t know………Why don’t the Palestinians simply stop fighting? Lay down their arms, and make a global spectacle of it for the world to see. Why don’t they speak in one voice and say “we make war no more”!
    Hmmm, with a little leadership and proof of their intent, possibly quite possibly, the inflow of guns may stop and indeed turn rockets into, food, medicine and a real economy.
    Otherwise they remain decrepit fanatics, bent on the destruction of Israel at the cost of their humanity and children. Oh well, that said crush them all!

  13. Facebook’s standards are appalling, advocate the eradication of a race of people OK, advocate breastfeeding BAD .

  14. Anne,
    The Police. However, as we’ve seen with the Indian blockades in Ontario, the Police have been handcuffed by the multiculturalists.
    Protesting minorities are above the law.

  16. Knight:
    “Well to be honest, with that pompous naivety of the world that you live in, I’d have to say yes!”
    Gee, I’m so surprised.
    “Glasnost”, you see what I’m talking about? If it were up to some of the individuals here, Canada would be comprised entirely of white christians of anglo-saxon descent. As long as they don’t step too far out of line. Otherwise he’d start booting some of them out, too.
    “I would very much like you to live amongst some other cultures around the world for awhile … blah blah blah”
    Well, considering I was born overseas and have been serving in our armed forces for 11 years now, I’m pretty sure I got you beat. Now take your condescending attitude and go sit in the corner. You obviously don’t play well with others.
    “ET”:
    Economic action is all well and good, but it won’t happen as long as the palis keep up their religious war. If we’re not going to let Israel sort out that mess then we need to put together a NATO coalition to go and do it for them. Unfortunately, nobody’s really interested in doing that either. Sooner or later Israel will lose their patience, and then we’ll see some real warfare and “occupation”. Until then, it’ll continue to be the international equivalent of a playground scuffle.
    Irwin:
    “The Islamic ideology and those who adhere to it are irrational. Therefore, you cannot have a rational dialogue. Same goes for discussion.”
    So is Christianity. That doesn’t stop me from having rational, productive discussions with the vast majority of christians. That’s because most human beings compartmentalize their beliefs – they can be perfectly rational for most of their day-to-day activities while holding on to one or two completely irrational beliefs or desires. Civilized people learn to work around the irrational beliefs of others in order to build a society in which we all can live peacefully. Meanwhile, ignorant bigots file everyone into simplistic categories, and then go around starting fights based on their own self-generated delusions. The type of religious warfare being practiced by the palis is a perfect example of what that kind of ignorance and bigotry lead to. We should be looking at them as an example of what NOT to do; instead, you seem to think that we need to out-fanaticize the fanatics. Sorry to break it to ya, but that just ant gonna happen.
    “What common ground? Stoning for adultery? Throwing gay people off the tallest building? Honour killing? Genital mutilation? Jew hatred? Prayers that include cursing infidels 17 times a day? Following a mass-murdering, pedophile, thief? Expecting to get extra rewards in paradise for killing innocent people?”
    I’m surprised – judging by your previous comments, I’d figured you’d be in favour of most of those. Hell, the bible preaches at least half of that list.
    See, I know I’ll never have a productive discussion with you because you are as fanatical about your beliefs as the islamic terrorists are about theirs. The only difference is that you don’t have religious leaders telling you to kill infidels, and you don’t have a popular movement organizing your actions. If we could toss you back through time to the crusades, I’m certain that you’d have a great time, killing, raping, and pillaging in the name of god.
    Unlike you, though, I know better than to stereotype every christian based on what I see from you and the other fanatics. I know that people like you are outliers – the extreme fringe which exists on the edges of every movement. That’s why I can have reasonable discussions with other Christians, while writing off people like you as a potential future problem. And that’s why I can have reasonable discussions with the vast majority of Muslims, while writing off the extremists as a possible problem that we’ll have to keep an eye on. Neither you nor they frighten me much – you’re largely irrelevant to the world as a whole. The future of our nation will be decided by public discourse between people of many faiths, races, and cultures; it certainly won’t be decided by narrow-minded bigots ranting in an internet comments section.

  17. Alex writes, to irwin daisy, “‘Stoning for adultery? Throwing gay people off the tallest building? Honour killing? Genital mutilation? Jew hatred? Prayers that include cursing infidels 17 times a day? Following a mass-murdering, pedophile, thief? Expecting to get extra rewards in paradise for killing innocent people?’
    “I’m surprised – judging by your previous comments, I’d figured you’d be in favour of most of those. Hell, the bible preaches at least half of that list.’
    It does?
    Alex, I consider your comments to be ignorant, bigoted nonsesnse.
    Prove your point.

  18. Cripes….Is Alex the re-incarnation of Turdeau I???
    Now(after I slap myself for doing so)…as Kate says…don’t feed the trolls!!

  19. Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2009 9:17 PM >
    “Well, considering I was born overseas and have been serving in our armed forces for 11 years now, I’m pretty sure I got you beat”
    No you don’t. ………..Sorry, but that’s my point.

  20. Alex’s point is that all of the noble attempts that Christianity and western civilization have made to produce utopia have failed ie we still have war, racial strife,etc. Therefore the underlying tenets of Christianity and western civilization must be wrong and bad or even evil.
    This is, of course, kindergarten philosophy.

  21. Alex
    By the by as far as “playing well with others”……I do agree with a lot of what you say on other topics. For example religious fanaticism or fanaticism of any kind!
    I’m attempting to demonstrate that we are unique peoples as Canadians, Australians and in a similar vein Americans on the planet. Indeed the history of civilization.
    That does not mean racist!
    Without a doubt not all Muslims per say are fanatics, neither are all Christians fanatics. If I knew you in the real world I’d introduce you to Muslim friends of mine. The point is – as a special sanctuary of the madness of the world’s issues, from poverty to Islamic fundamentalist expansion, we are and island of sanity and freedom in Canada. Do not dilute that strength like the American Federal Bank printing money, it only creates inflation and the devaluation of it.

  22. Prove my point?
    Why is it that 90% of Christians seem to have no idea what’s in the bible? You put it in every goddamn hotel room in the country, but you don’t even read it?
    Adultery: Deuteronomy 22:22, Leviticus 20:10
    Honour Killing: Leviticus 21:9
    Homosexuality: Leviticus 20:13, 18:22, all of Genesis 19
    Killing infidels: Chronicles 15:12, Exodus 22:19
    etc. etc.
    Of course, you’ll probably try some argument such as “but this other part says …” or “but nobody listens to THAT any more”. Which is, pathetic, really. It’s the same excuse(s) we hear from muslims. That’s because both your books and theirs are a giant all-you-can-eat buffet from which you can pick and chose “facts” to support whatever position you want. If you wanted to show that sleeping with dead underage goats was ok, you could probably find a passage to justify it.
    I’m not trying to show that the bible is evil per-say; only that it’s full of idiotic ideas and immoral advice invented by a group of barbaric peasants. Just like the Quaran.
    The only good thing we can say about the bible that wouldn’t be true for the Quaran is that Jesus, if he really existed, was probably a pretty nice guy who was far ahead of his time as far as morality went. Of course, a lot of you kill-em-all zealot types would have been opposed to him if you’d been living back then: by the standards of the day, he was a bleeding-heart liberal.

  23. Knight: I get ya. I’m just not sure how you equate allowing people to exercise their right to free speech with “diluting our strength”.
    I’m sure there are many things we agree with. I know that Islam (wahabism to be specific) IS a major threat to western civilization in general. I know that the battle can not and will not be fought with words alone. But I also have no desire to see a resurgence in Christian fanaticism, nor do I want our people to start acting like our enemies.
    Mainly, though, I was just incensed at the massive hypocrisy displayed here. The very same people who were bitching and moaning while Ezra was being persecuted by the HRC are now screaming and yelling for Muslim immigrants to have their citizenship revoked for the crime of speaking their minds. That’s the kind of mealy-mouthed bulls**t that I’d expect from the far-left fringe. I thought the people here were better than that.

  24. Alex you are reading the wrong end of the Bible. Try the Christian Covenant. Its the last 27 books, begins with Matthew and ends with Revelation. Don’t thank me I consider it a service I offer to all anti-Christian bigots.

  25. Some commentary, please, Alex, to prove that Christianity—that’s what you were equating with Islam—teaches and approves the behaviours you indicate.
    A mere mention of some of them in the Old Testament is no proof at all.

  26. “there has to be economic action. Economic action that enables the Palestinians to have their own economy, one that enables them to participate in the world”
    You’re looking for excuses for inexcusable behaviors. Palestinians probably receive in excess of a billion dollars annually – $500 million from UNRWA alone, in support of ‘palestinian refugees’. Yet there is nothing to show for it except increasling poverty, decreasing educational outcomes and endemic hatred.
    Palestinians apparently have no interest in participating in any world other than the Islamic world and they appear to suffer from a cultural mental illness, exhibiting signs of passive/agressive traits, along with the cognitive dissonance of humiliation and victimhood being in conflict with a belief in cultural superiority.
    Sadly, there is simply no room for rational discourse and debate. When reality is at odds with your core beliefs, there’s bound to be mental turmoil.

  27. “Why is it that 90% of Christians seem to have no idea what’s in the bible? You put it in every goddamn hotel room in the country, but you don’t even read it?”
    Only an ignoramus would not know that the differences between Christ and Muhammed could hardly be greater. Find me one statement Alex, where Christ advocates that his followes kill those who do not follow abide by his dictates.

  28. This is interesting! article in Ezra guy
    what?
    now look how jewish Isreali excuses can be acceptable or turnaround the food to put it to the mouth while eating food can be done by spoon feed dirtly to your mouth not turn around your head
    what I mean:
    Jewish Isreali said Oh you know “the reason we killed all kids in school
    because
    “Hamas wise to use human shields ”
    ”
    you right!! such big lie
    can be ok in some case not in all most cases
    The answer is No you have not heart and no brain and find cheaper easy way to do
    because you teach your isreali soldure when you see small kid of Palestin hate them since
    from childhood they carry gun and they are kiler from youth and they are not normal kids like us!
    Jewish and American are lying to cover us their
    uncondition love their land and their people!
    I think that would be very good reason we can not blame Isreali any more for all death crime over children , no way
    The same reason they asked Hitler why did you kill all those people
    he might be answerd probably because their birth certificate said they are Jewish or he asked morel land to not pay his old war debt
    so what that is not ground for kill them stupid!
    ===
    I got sick of all both sides really for cover up their guilt and crime
    all those anger and hate and nonsense and no brain
    My mother always told me when you argue to anybody so long all is your fault and I always got mad when my mother took other bad peopel position when she heard some problems when i was teenger and then she respond me becaue if you are smart enough never should be freind with bad peopel to go with arugue with them in first place if you are smart always choose right person and when they do so illegal step back too far from them or find solution before going to big fight
    again my point to say:
    The only reason the war took so long in I-P
    I can said I am sorry with no offence
    both sides were stupid sorry truth is hard to hear
    both sides has anger problems
    both has bad business advisor and leaderes
    both sides more than find solution keep revenging
    they had bad spoksperson and bad communicators
    both sides has bad freinds
    etc…
    —-
    specific problmes about Isralie was long period of abuse of Hitler to them killed so many good jewish and all not kind and samart get away in time of hitler came to Palestine
    post dramatic they has made tehm grow with hate those Jewish who turn themselves to
    new Isreali
    this case is also can be seen in Hamas who used to be victim and not they turn and act some similar like Isreali too
    even study life of Sadam husain proof he had bad childhoom and made him so no heart person in adult
    I am concern
    today civilzied socity talk to Isreali and Hamas both are danger for innocent society sicne these two group are grwo with full hate for so long
    i am concern about their mental health fo them
    they live in all BS look nothing happend at all
    ===
    Few video about Hamas made me worry about them
    What Hamas do in all those mix time tried to kill or destroy their competitors inside by power of gun to take moer power by bring more horror inside
    the way hamas treat and with nto trial kill his owne peopel can be very very danger for futre of security of inside of Palestin after peace
    those group can be hurtnt hemor turn to new sadam again if not beahve well
    ===
    good news all new techonology and all sattlite systme
    nobody
    let me repeat
    nobody
    can take teh gun from any where and think
    nobody can see them
    they can see them easy now
    this video
    will
    bring less viloance in future
    since all those bad guys when knwo
    world are record tehri crime in video
    and all watching
    are not going to do and let know
    in PUBLIC
    who are those people
    In result the best time for both is to shake hand for peace because theire crime can be lead them to court soon after peace can be achieve too
    If English people in firs place did not give tehri bad recomandation to I-P probably there was not need to have country called Palestine and
    there was not need for all dead body
    do we need land specificaly for Jewish and Muslim and christian to have seperate wall in canada
    all are live here in Canada without war
    some times having legal advice or direction from best freind or bad guys made today problmes in canada from bad to Worst
    Having Palstin to change to I-P state
    if any muslim and Jewish 40 years ago could predicte that may go this BS life
    never they even think of those seperation
    while divorce and seperation always is costly and hurtfull but in case of I-P was deadly now
    it was so nice made one country
    and new name made them called ‘new’ name
    for country and leave together and travel nicely form one to otehr place with no wall and no war it was better conditin for them
    I am sorry those English interfer in 1948 in I-P was made so much trouble for jewish-Muslim there that is fact
    we must not this happend here

  29. Posted by: Alex at January 9, 2009 10:12 PM>
    Alex
    Ya, I know what you mean. Really I do, no patronizing implied, I can clearly see you are a thinking individual. My view of this situation is as is – sacrificing one to save the many. I know that sounds rhetorical and insane to many, but I sincerely view it as leadership, not the discrimination of a person or peoples. Simply some cultures and ideologies need a fence between them.
    If you have children and love them, and if you can fully visualize war, famine and totalitarianism in its reality, then you can see that this is the final bastion against the human condition (everything listed above proven through history).
    Again our North American culture is unique and worth preserving, it is also ours inherited and to protect. Islam at its fundamental core is the opposite of those beliefs and the most basic of culture and the human struggle. If we have anything to believe or defend in our lives it’s that unique quality that separates us from the norm.

  30. Alex,
    Return to Bible studies. You state.
    Adultery: Deuteronomy 22:22, Leviticus 20:10
    Honour Killing: Leviticus 21:9
    Homosexuality: Leviticus 20:13, 18:22, all of Genesis 19
    Killing infidels: Chronicles 15:12, Exodus 22:19
    —
    In truth
    Adultery
    Deuteronomy says that if a man is committing adultery the people of Israel may put both to death. Leviticus says they both shall be put to death.
    In practice, Islam only kills the female adulterer.
    Honour killing
    Leviticus 21:19 does not authorize this evil practice.
    Homosexuality
    Your first reference to Leviticus does say that homosexuals should be put to death. The second does not.
    Killing infidels
    Your reference to Chronicles is accurate but how long has it been since Christians and Jews, if ever in the case of Jews, killed infidels?
    According to my bible Exodus 22:19 says death is the punishment for having sex with an animal.
    It is interesting that you don’t cite anything in the New Testament to support your politically correct equivalency arguments. Why is that?
    In any event, it is disingenuous, not to mention brain dead, to compare current Muslim practices with 2000 year old statements in the Christian and Jewish Bibles. Are you saying we should exercise patience for the next 2000 years?
    Sorry. It’s not a sensible option.

  31. I’m confident that this rally will attract a large strata of Canadian society.
    /sarcasm off

  32. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0K_zsxtGUdI
    Deal or No Deal
    What is new deal between I-P
    What is not deal between I-P
    This is very stupid game!
    at the end of this show!
    they are playing and you can laugh over dead body
    made by Jewish while Muslim not mean it that way
    you tried to explain it
    This is a game you made we can not dance with it
    I said last one so long I made this one shorty

  34. This protest is not freedom of speech it is pure hatred towards Jews. It is calling for the destruction of Israel – that folks is inciting murder and hatred. If they were asking for the destruction and murder of say Methodist – methodist should not exist, would you all figure it to be just freedom of speech. Give your collective heads a shake, this type of demonstration should not be allowed and should be grounds for being dragged up to the HRC. The longer we allow this to continue the worst these asshats are going to behave until we have an impossible situation in our cities.
    I for one would never set foot in Toronto; when I drive north I bypass the damn place. I am all for building a fence around it and letting the tribes fight to the finish.

  35. Alex,
    “you seem to think that we need to out-fanaticize the fanatics.”
    No, I don’t think anything of the kind, where did you get that idea?
    “I’m surprised – judging by your previous comments, I’d figured you’d be in favour of most of those.”
    Really? Please provide evidence. Even just once.
    “Hell, the bible preaches at least half of that list.”
    Somewhat granted. The OT has some violent and abusive passages. However, all of those references are kept to a time and a place. They are not commands, unlike the Quran, meant in-perpetuity. But then, this should be obvious, given I don’t see hordes of fanatical Baptists, or Jews, raping, pillaging and killing on CNN these days.
    “See, I know I’ll never have a productive discussion with you because you are as fanatical about your beliefs as the islamic terrorists are about theirs. The only difference is that you don’t have religious leaders telling you to kill infidels, and you don’t have a popular movement organizing your actions. If we could toss you back through time to the crusades, I’m certain that you’d have a great time, killing, raping, and pillaging in the name of god.”
    Which beliefs are those that I’m apparently “fanatical” about?
    Ending Muslim immigration, perhaps? Exposing and commenting on what is in the Quran, Hadiths, and Sira? Maybe, Mohammad’s life example? Recorded Islamic inspired atrocities throughout history? What Muslim imams, scholars, terrorists and Ft. Lauderdale protesters say today?
    Please, enlighten me.
    Your statement says much more about your misconfigured brain than it does about myself.
    As far as the rest of your misbegotten, delusional and childish rant is concerned, I have made a point about showing that the Islamic ideology, as written in their texts (the trilogy); and as expressed by the actions and sayings of their prophet, is the foundation of the actions and atrocities perpetuated by Muslim fanatics throughout history to this day.
    Mohammad was a murderous, narcissistic beast. And all Muslims are commanded to emulate him.
    This is a problem with the ideology and with those who strictly adhere to it. In other words, the most literal, pious and faithful.
    Or, as an old Yiddish saying goes, “If it’s in the bitch, it’s in the pups.”
    Fortunately, most Muslims are nominal, not practicing, selective about their faith, or just don’t know. Otherwise, the worldwide situation would be a billion times more awful.
    If you have a cogent, rational counter argument and would like to prove any of the above wrong, the floor is yours.
    Otherwise, piss off.

  36. well
    I love Toronto
    Toronto is one of biggest and best city any body like to live
    Am I right
    hay people in Toronto?
    Problems is not city the problems is 40 years outcome this seperation
    I do not think most peopel when they plan to buy the new house when they know the house a week before there was murder happend like to buy the house because this is dicussing deal to buy the house that so many previous owner was murdered in the house
    when you see so many innocent dieing do you wish to let east and west germany to put wall there
    when two part need to get seperated the issue for better peace not for more dead on those ground
    the intention of I-P is wrong
    nothing wrong with city of Toronto to that regard
    Thank you Knight for your remark
    you are so kind
    I never wish in my life for anyone even for worst evil maximum to get arrested and jailed not die

  37. Posted by: dolly at January 10, 2009 12:38 AM>
    Ha ha ha well said!
    And to think Toronto was once the great city that all Canadians wished to visit so many years ago.
    Yes, things are changing, Indeed……..so why is that such good thing, and why is it so bad to retaliate against it?
    If and when Canada de-normalizes itself and becomes the equal of Mexico or any other third world county (as the USA is fast becoming, see Swatzerniggers media plea to the nation today) will the liberal left then jump up with some yahoo “we did it” parade in the streets of Toronto, and throw it in our faces?
    Wow, not seeing “the forest for the trees” is so understated!!!!!!!

  38. People grow differently even in one country
    East and Toronto people act different this is not because we have so much mix here
    Jewish Muslim white black chineese
    more busy doing business down here warm heart
    West such as Calagary people are think and again i repeat different they only deal more with
    more English or more conservative way of thinking
    are cold with others but good and kind with each others among themselves
    This was issue in such small like I and P
    they were so close to each other for 40 years
    but grow differently not work not talk not deal not do anything therefoer made them two different people who even reconginze or know what they really want
    some times I confuse from some Canadian
    what they really want it from Muslim here
    nobody talk relgion in big city such as Toronto
    now some share of political view made people for share interest in country force people to think more in team work to get seperated or
    rather than grow different we must be find
    the way to join more wihtout hurting each other by knowing each other differnecs
    I used to have one good freind in business he was very good untill he got closer and know we are different and eat different and diff ideas in so many small thing we come to stage not resist each other company any more
    East and West in canada is also are too far from each other by kilometer and by people are there
    small city in West most likely are not understand people of Toronto big city

  39. Bull Muffins. I for one understand Toronto just fine. I live 4hours from IT, have relatives there, and since that turdeau balkanized the place it’s been going downhill. Too many folks like our new have inhabited it and turned it into a boiling pot of stew.

  40. On the topic of freedom of speech
    The protest should be allowed to proceed. Freedom of speech has to include the freedom to express yourself publicly in a group of like minded individuals
    However, there are laws in Canada that apply to individual and collective behaviors, and they should be applied to all people, even those who are expressing their freedom of speech. No carbeques, no property damage, no assaults or batteries on people expressing their contrary views, etc.
    On the topic of the purpose of the rally
    Israel evacuated its people from the Gaza strip so that the Palestinians would develop self-governance. They did. Hamas is the result. Gaza is now led by an apparat that is bent on killing all the Jews and expelling them from the Holy Land. In attacking Israel with rockets like the Germans attacked Britain with V-1’s and V-2’s, Hamas is living up to its Vision. When Britain fought back and even invaded Germany, where were the protests against Britain? I do not see how those of us who love our freedoms can support the Palestinians in this conflict.
    On the topic of Muslims in Canada
    Canada is a patchwork quilt of cultures. We are not a melting pot. In fact Canada was one of the first of the modern nation states to promote the cultural mosaic, and to their current regret, many others have followed. The problem with being a patchwork quilt of cultures is that some of those cultures that are welcomed in are not welcoming in themselves and they do not want to change. You then get a clash of civilizations within your borders – not only out there on the coast of the Mediterranean, or between India and Pakistan, or in Southeast Asia.
    I would like to see the culture clash limited to the borders where they meet. I don’t want to see the clash break out into conflict within Canada or any other part of Judeo-Christianity. I don’t want to support and pay for brining in advance parties of a culture that is bent on destroying what I believe in and bringing my family and me back to the 6th century BC. We have progressed far beyond that and I like where we are.

  41. Posted by: rroe at January 10, 2009 1:47 AM>
    “Canada is a patchwork quilt of cultures. We are not a melting pot”
    Exactly, and we can thank Trudope for that, can’t we!
    What we wish to see and what’s going to happen now is the combined voice of our government and people!
    I hope it goes well, because the alternative is…………….NASTY!

  42. Thanks, Knight, for that response. Even before you wrote that, I’d pretty much figured out that the main difference in our positions is where we draw the line, but it was good to see you explain it. I still disagree with you – I think you’re jumping the gun – but I certainly understand why you’d hold the position that you do, and I can’t say I blame you. And since your “plan” would likely have a short-term result of further alienating Muslims as a whole, and a long-term result of creating the equivalent of a an Israel/Palestine divide on a global scale, you’ll forgive me if I “pray” that you’re 100% wrong, and that we never have to resort to it 🙂 I’d be willing to fall back on such tactics, too; I just think it should be one of our last resorts.
    Cheers.

  43. Knight 99 at January 10, 2009 2:36 AM
    “What we wish to see and what’s going to happen now is the combined voice of our government and people!
    I hope it goes well, because the alternative is…………….NASTY!”
    I hope we see the enforcement of our existing laws that reflect our culture and the creation of laws that protect our culture – like Dolly has summarized recently. That will make our country less hospitable for haters and they won’t want to come here. Those that are here should be assimilated or if they don’t want to assimilate, their return fare should be provided – even if they are returning to a country where their life is in danger.
    This is not about religious or racial or national or ethnic purity. It is about a clash of civilizations. We are in a war, just like the cold war. We have been for a time. Many of the people attending this rally don’t know it. The sad part is that many of the people attending do know it and are leading the wilfully blind down the garden path.

  45. Alex as a world traveller (in the Canadian Forces (I think) and overseas for over 11 years – didn’t know we had units with that long of overseas postings) you should know that the Israel/Palestine divide already exists on a global scale. You even acknowledge the danger of Wahabian Islam (I note you don’t say fanatical Islam which in my mind includes more than the Wahabi brand).
    I think we both agree that there is a war of civilizations going on. Where we may not agree is whether it has hit our shores or not. I think it has and many people here don’t know it yet because we are not on CNN.

  46. Posted by: rroe at January 10, 2009 4:44 AM>
    “This is not about religious or racial or national or ethnic purity. It is about a clash of civilizations”
    I couldn’t agree more rroe!
    I would also add the word “culture” that so many people throw around so loosely as if it means the difference between Chinese or Sushi tonight.
    I believe that the Americans had it right in the beginning – a melting pot. You can see clearly throughout their “golden years” the assimilation of anyone in their society, who bought into their ideals and their dream. It’ll all seemed to work so well until “melting” didn’t matter anymore and the “whoever and whatever” you wanted to bring to the party became the buzzword for the time.
    I’m sorry, I’ve always been the USA’s number one fan, but what it has become is an abomination of its glorious past. I’ll set aside discussions of GWB and wars from Vietnam to Iraq and the commercial franchising conquest of the world. That is only one side of the problem. The other side is the fracturing of the spirit of the country through the unchecked humanitarian movement. From grossly mismanaged illegal immigration from the third world, to the importation of exotic cultures and alien mindsets, the USA has fragmented into dangerous mini states.
    I kid you not; my SDA predictions for 2009 are serious civil upheavals within the US, sparked by the economic crisis but flamed with the rat’s nest of babbling races, cultures and ideologies. 29 million (realistic number) of third world Latinos have been allowed to crawl across the border “to do the jobs the Americans won’t do” (like construction). Now that millions of Americans are going to be out of work in 2009, many living on the street or in tent cities, does anyone else not see a conflict?
    I won’t get into it, but my mind see’s oceans of issues with this lapse of a nation’s defenses. We already have a similar problem here in Canada, it is simply not as pronounced yet and we have yet to see any spillover from the US, aside from reduced trade.

  47. Does this not constitute a death threat? Not being a lawyer, this looks like an illegal act and should be prosected. It’s a helluva lot more than hate speech.

  48. I have just taken part in a Facebook flamewar. I was harangued by a “friend” about Israeli “war crimes”. I served in the IDF in the 70’s and this kind of crap is very deeply offensive to me. Homicide bombers are resistance fighters but the IDF is guilty of war crimes. George Orwell would be proud. I’m thoroughly disgusted

  49. What you are not know well or jump to conclusion
    is that
    every human is responsible for his action
    nobody told isreali Soldure go to war and keep killing kids along the way too
    It will back the lesson anybody can get
    to act human from parents from teacher from having good freinds from family member from church or mosque to not kill and keep border
    people who keep the patient are people go to heaven and people who has quick temper are not
    This is international law and or we religion lover call it break big sin while small sin may be not as bad as that all or most of must follow
    having all media and we can see all people can watch each other or know about each other you must loose your mind in today life to break the law easiy or has no brain to do so
    second thing relatioship among all different culture and how we say you may not like among like or dislike made peopel get gradually seperated how to basically communicate in public in language you may not communicate with your own sister or brother or best freinds
    i call it public talk kind of thing again this need to teach and people with degree of communication still has hard time to made sure when tehy say some thing in public are not cause so much trouble and that is only reason some talk show may stay longer than other in the air for not know this tactic
    understand different society as well
    how good police who obey law can daily work wiht bad peoel who dialy broke the law in jail or in court or so on
    how good kids in school should or should not deal with bad kids
    when I was teenagers my mother always told me try to have good freind and never talk with bad freind when I grow up i noticed this theory is work untill you are smal kid when you get older you must know the technique how to deal with bad boys and guys as well as good people two you can not speak with one language with both it did not work
    all conclude is how you may see all protest is doing is wrong or may not that way but how you do not like the method culture they are made nuise notmeet your culture not the voice it go back to again i am try to say communication
    if you can ask anybody to listen to your ORDER with once you can not repeat it twice or you can not force them to listen to order or law all back how you can get trust of people to listen to you all protest is come that there is demand is asking and people think may be this way may stop viloanc in area because peopel got sick of seeing this daily in tv and kill and not trust politican to able to stop it
    If poltician did their job on time then no need public voice or union strike all will come in time the communication among politic and peoeple are not relaed or understood and major crisis in city are not get resolve and people take tehri own way to do the justice and this time that each indivual in I-P take thier own way to do teh justice the all treat will show up we can not allow each person go and do waht they wish for
    We simply cannot all goes by border must contolled but not stop to hear them or you not to resolve it if you study all historial protest or cuba kodetta or relvolution come in the time politc and publc are grow differnetly and not know what people want
    law and order-communication-understand people needs – prevent and stop problems arised- keep teh limit -understand society and culture differnce and how to talk in public and how to teach people morality along to act well as individual or so on and all is ethic attached
    you can not generalize all wiht one look but also you need to analysis each move to right direction we may need to change some culture which is bad

  50. Very simply put….Hamas is not looking for peace with Israel.
    hamas has only one goal in mind and that goal is the anialation of Israel.
    If someone was shooting rockets into my yard….
    that someone would deserve a response….
    in this case someone is shooting rockets into Israels yard….they also deserve a reponse.
    Did the U.S. waite for 6000 more suicide bombers to strike after nine eleven??
    No they sure as hell didn’t!
    Why should Israel?
    Go Israel, you have my blessing!

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