“You got a
letter from Ryerson this morning.”
“Ryerson? What is it?”
“It’s a big building where students go to be taught by journalism professors who are incapable of fact-checking, but that’s not important now.”
Looks like he picked the wrong week to quit getting his “heart ripped out” by right-wing bloggers.
jeff, now we know the problem.
AtalanticJim,
I’m glad you didn’t use capital letters when you implied Steyn is a ‘Word Smith’. In his blog he consistently makes grammatical and puntuation errors. That makes him more a ‘hack smith’ than anything else.
Steyn is just in a blog induced virtual pissing contest with someone who’s too old and tired to fight back.
Apparently, Khomeini did write that bestiality and sodomy DO take place with animals. In his book, Tahrirolvasyleh, Vol. 4, 1990. This doesn’t then mean that he APPROVES of such behaviour.
The question then becomes, is this representative of Islam? Or of a Shi’ite? Or of himself? Or of a pastoral nomadic culture of the 7th century where most certainly, bestiality occurred.
And Khomeini? After all, this same individual is quoted as saying that ‘In the Islamic government, all people have complete freedom to have any kind of opinion” (Nov 10, 1978, Interview with Human Rights Watch).
And then, he says, that ‘the author of the Satanic Verses’ is sentenced to death.
Sounds rather similar to our HRCs with their mantra of freedom and actuality of prevention of freedom.
As for Miller, because he’s a professor doesn’t mean he has any knowledge; because he’s a journalist doesn’t mean he has any critical thinking skills. So, rather than identifying him as ‘he MUST be knowledgeable BECAUSE he’s a professor, or writes for the Toronto Star (ahem) or whatever, just focus on what he’s actually written and actually said. If you do that, his claims fall apart into empty sound bites.
liberal ron, hmmm, you consistently make spelling errors. Oh well.
liberal ron can’t find the shift key either. What’s up with that? All these frickin’ Lefties do it.
Pinkie fingers get cut off as an initiation into Leftism or something? Inquiring minds wanna know!
“Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to rename their school mascot either “Giant Douche” or “Turd Sandwich”.”
Vote or Die B*#tch !;-p
I started out to write a not to Mr. Miller, it ended up a bit long-
http://freeca.wordpress.com/2008/11/13/free-to-choose-my-news-too/
IanV
I suppose using capital letters discriminates and gives those letters an unfair advantage over the rest of the sentence. It is more egalitarian, perhaps, to go lower-case all the way.
This is one situation where liberals believe in capital punishment.
ET – I was going to mention Liberal Ron’s
lack of literary skills but you said it better, by just saying Hummm.
Parents of graduating high school students should be taking notes. It would be a crime to squander your son’s or daughter’s time and good money to enroll your aspiring student in a University that employs loser teachers like this Miller fellow.
Great ‘smack down’ Mr. Steyn. No wonder Steyn has a legion of fans. I never miss an article. I had never heard anything from or about this Miller fella before he crossed swords (Miller brought a dry parsley sprig) with Ezra and Mark. I will not be seeking any of his blubbering again either, as my free time is valuable to me.
$200/hr? I’d still be willing to wager that my pay packet is substantially larger than yours, Jeff. Plus, I’ll put my wife’s photog skills (hourly rate for photography = $0) up against yours any day, you hack.
“$200/hr?”
I had no idea those poor saps at the Santa display made that much. Hey, Jeff, when you want the kids to stop crying do you make faces or shake the teddy bear?
Let’s see, I worked as a news photographer – still have my equipment – and I’m a lawyer, so I could be charging $500 for a photo and legal advice.
“Pinkie fingers get cut off as an initiation into Leftism or something? Inquiring minds wanna know!”
What do pinkies have to do with it Phantom? I only use two fingers and my spelin are good, like my gammer.
Also, a point some people seemed to have missed: jeffey said he “charges” $200/hr, not that he actually makes that much.
I once met a gal that charged $200/yr. I don’t know if she was a lawyer or what but I got screwed anyhow. / it’s a joke, okay!
Other than “The Little Green Book”, is there any other source for Khomeni’s fatawa?
Miller comments: (When I asked Levant if he considers himself to be a journalist, by the way, he wouldn’t answer, but that’s another story.) I am curious about why Miller would find this relevant — like to anything, not just the issue being discussed. Why is what Levant considers himself to be Miller’s or anyone’s business?
Miller’s view is not unusual. I think there is a desperation among many of the “old guard” (journalists, academics, etc.) who are lost once things start to fall apart . . . the centre no longer holds (paraphrasing Yeats). Sneering at things like Wikipedia is a clear indication that he does not “get” the new reality. I think he also does not get “truth”, despite his claim that journalism is paritally about the pursuit of truth. That’s a laugh, really, I guess he has not read many newspapers lately.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.
And those who can’t teach, teach journalism, apparently (with apologies to Woody Allen).
norman, it’s the “Blue Book”, and I don’t understand your question. Since this book is the original source for the quote, what else do you need? It sounds like you’re asking, “Other than this ‘Bible’ book, is there any other source for the 10 Commandments?”
” Miller’s view is not unusual. ”
That’s pretty much the WHOLE point! Isn’t it?
“My topic was responsible journalism, and how pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification were two qualities that give journalism its authority and justify freedom of the press ”
Well that was true at one time. I suppose “Prof” Miller must think Mark Steyn was single handedly responsible for the recent election victory of Barrack Obama, since I didn’t see much in the way of “pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification” in the US MSM.
If ever these conditions obtain in any media, then you will see the public flocking there for their information. What’s that? They already go to the Blogosphere for their news and information?
I suppose that is what gives the “new media” of the internet it’s “authority and justify freedom of the expression”
liberal Ron says, “I’m glad you [AtlanticJim] didn’t use capital letters when you implied Steyn is a ‘Word Smith’. In his blog [sic: a comma is needed here] he consistently makes grammatical and puntuation [sic: it’s ‘punctuation’] errors. That makes him more a ‘hack smith’ than anything else.”
PROVE IT, RON.
Frankly, I don’t believe you.
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black . . . in a minuscule amount of text, Ron makes BOTH a spelling AND punctuation error, while criticizing the remarkable Mark for, apparently, making such mistakes (in masses of text).
These liberals are really something else, including being full of sh . . . I mean, delusion and hubris. (Look that up, Ron.)
How many tenured socialist academicas can dance on the head of a pin?
Nothing changes but the brand name from age to eon.
I’m wondering how many commenters read the info that Rob Harvie has provided.
Any discussion about Miller could have been very a brief brush off…’consider the source’.
It’s that syndrome of being so open minded your brains fall out.
If you don’t like the smell oh great Toronto professor, don’t step in it. Keep your ill informed mouth shut, you clowns have been trying to warp the thinking of your little minions for years, and along came the internet, almost had your 1984 but…shazam! Miller couldn’t ,like most liberals, pack Steyn’s lunch.
Jeff Davidson plaintively complains: “I’m distressed to learn that you find my photographic abilities to be lacking. As a regular commenter at Small Dead Animals, your analysis of my work means so much to me.”
Let me take a shot then, Jeff. I’m an Honourable Lifetime Member of the Professional Photographers of Canada, a Master of Photographic Arts, a Fellow of PPABC, a nationally accredited print judge and have taught real professional photographers from coast to coast.
I’ve viewed your work and find it undistinguished and puerile, lacking in technical sophistication, imagination or impact.
Sadly, your work is a reflection of your mind.
jeff, you may charge $200 an hour, but, that means nothing, it’s not a salary. Big difference. I’ve seen your stuff and will leave it at that. You invited an examination of your artistic/income ability with that self-endorsing statement, but, I suggest that in a very humble mode you just slink away from that, you really don’t want to go there.
No Guff: I think your criticism of Jeff’s photography is a bit over the top. I think some of it is quite good. We should return to the topic at hand.
“I charge $200/hr for my services, how much do you get for being a groupy?”
I guess the obvious question here is “how the hell do you live on $200 a year?
Horny toad
“liberal ron can’t find the shift key either. What’s up with that? All these frickin’ Lefties do it.”
Lefties don’t have to follow accepted rules or conventions because, see, they’re different, special and progressive in their thinking and behaviour.
This specialness also makes them incapable of reason, critical thinking and detecting doublethink/doublespeak bullshit so they just redefine these concepts to suit their political agenda and to hell with reality.
I re-read this tonight, it’s bang-on:
http://www.academia.org/lectures/lind1.html
The version of Khomeini’s Little Green Book of Sayings cited by Gyapong was published by Bantam Books, owned by Random House, in 1980 with an introduction by Clive Irving, a former Sunday Times editor and author, who was probably on the left. He wrote for the Observer among many other high brow British publications.
Irving wrote a history of Iran which came out around the time of the revolution in 1980 which prompted using him for the forward.
He’s best know for his book on the “Promufo Scandal”
Salemson was a well-regarded academic translator whose other work is easily found on the web.
I have vague memories of Xaviere’s role in the book but nothing concrete.
One has to remember that Khomeini’s long stay in France before the revolution.
The book, which I remember in the bookstores, was one of Bantam’s famous “Instant Books” in the vein of the Pentagon Papers and the Watergate Prosecutor’s Report.
The book itself is pretty rare. Worth over $100 at your local book dealer.
http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/ViewBlog/11/
“The meat of horses, mules, or donkeys is not recommended. It is strictly forbidden if the animal was sodomized while alive by a man. In that case, the animal must be taken outside the city and sold.”
“If one commits an act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrements become impure, and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned, and the price of it paid to its owner by him who sodomized it.”
Any homosexual reading it would get upset over that statement as it hits too close to home. Act of sodomy causes infection of abdominal cavity of animal with fecal matter (septic shock). This infection causes that white blood cells move out of animal’s bloodstream into abdominal cavity in order to fight that infection. Low white blood cells count (fully blown AIDS) condition renders that animal unable to fight all common pathogens present in its body and environment. These pathogens start to multiply rapidly and turn that animal into a vector spreading common diseases among livestock and humans that come in contact with it.
This commons sense observation that is as applicable to animals as it is to men was recorded in the Bible and it was basis of Leviticus 18:22 translated: “Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination.”
It is no small wonder that Mark Steyn pissed whole homosexual community off when he dragged that cat out of the closet. They were doing so well with this HIV virus scam that the last thing they needed was somebody bring up Ayatollah Khomeini, and his more recent teachings.
John Gordon Miller – The Journalism Doctor is well known for supporting homosexual pedophiles(http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com/2008/11/apparently-mark-steyn-should-be.html) so it is no small wonder that he took offence to Steyn’s writing.
As for Salemson, this is probably the guy. An interesting life to say the least.
http://www.bookrags.com/biography/harold-jason-salemson-dlb/
LindaL wrote: “I think your criticism of Jeff’s photography is a bit over the top. I think some of it is quite good. We should return to the topic at hand.”
I never left the topic, Linda. Like the good Professor Miller, Jeff likes to put himself out there as an ‘expert’ without really having the goods to back it up.
Sometimes, one must simply call them on their hubris.
A little further research tonight shows that the Khomeini book was reviewed in the Globe and Mail in 1980 and was subject of criticism by some
Islamic scholars (Hello, Edward Said!) according to an article around the same time in the New York Times by Robert Kaiser. Bantam defended the accuracy of their translation.
Ryerson? What’s that?
A university you say?
Not a Harvard I don’t think.
One of those “community colleges” that went “condo” perhaps? Clammering for “legitimacy” fo so long, the powers that be, gave in and said “okay okay OKAY!!!!” Enough of your crying call yourself a University, just STOP HOUNDING US.
Sort of like the sames sex marriage debacle..a couple equals marriage(???)like any other couple.Only here they chant “we ARE higher learning, JUST LIKE a UNIVERSITY, ergo we are one too!!!”
Too easy?
Go figure.
Anyone who has ever read Azar Nafisi’s book “Reading Lolita In Tehran”, knows of the disgusting truth of Ayatollah Khomeini’s writings about shagging protein and it’s culinary effect in regard to Halal.
It is by far one of the most poignant entries in her book…. that rests right beside my copy of Mark Steyn’s “America Alone”.
Hey, how come when I “Google Shit”, several articles appear with John Miller’s name attached to the all??
Of course, I should mention that I added all the search terms:
1) incompetent
2) biased
3) boomer
4) journalist
I also noted that googling “journalist”, tends to result in a lot of “shit” related articles.
So, I am left wondering what came first, the journalist or the shit? It seems that you can’t have one without the other these days.
Hey John Miller, if you are lucky perhaps you might get to write one more story before you kick the bucket. The story will be about the end of journalism as you knew it, and you can blame it all on the bloggers!!!
This is blame that they will very happily accept!!!
Sleeping with sheep and goats. That’s just foreplay.
KHOMEINI SLEPT WITH A 4 YEAR-OLD GIRL.
An excerpt from ‘Hal Ataaka Hadeeth ur-Raafidah?’ by the late Sheikh Abu Mus’abaz-Zarqaawi
“The author of the book ‘For Allah, Then For History’ [1] mentions to us an event that took place before his very eyes, when al-Khomeini [2] was living in Iraq, and was visiting an Iranian individual by the name of Sayyid Sahib.
He says: ‘Sayyid Sahib was joyous with our visit, and we arrived at his house around the time of Dhuhr. So, he prepared for us a lavish dinner, and called some of his relatives, who came to see us, and the house became crowded in celebration of our presence.
Sayyid Sahib then requested that wespend that night at his home, to which the Imam agreed. When it was night time, we were given our supper, and the guests would take the Imam’s hand and kiss it, and they would ask him questions, with him answering their questions.
When it was time to sleep, the guests had all left, except for the inhabitants of the house. Al-Khomeini laid his eyes on a young girl who, despite being only four or five years of age, was very beautiful.
So, the Imam requested from her father, Sayyid Sahib, that he spend the night with her in order to enjoy her. Her father happily agreed, and Imam al-Khomeini spent the night with the girl in his arms, and we could hear her crying and screaming.’”
Footnotes
[1] This book was written under the alias Husayn al-Musawi, a former companion of al-Khomeini who later abandoned his previous beliefs.
[2] Ayatollah al-Khomeini was the leader of the Shee’ah Raafidah of Iran in the 1980s.
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Did he, or didn’t he? Well let’s check a well-known, easily verifiable fatwa by the late and unlamented Ayatollah Khomeini of Iran.
“A man can marry a girl younger than nine years of age, even if the girl is still a baby being breastfed. A man, however is prohibited from having intercourse with a girl younger than nine, other sexual acts such as foreplay, rubbing, kissing and sodomy is allowed. A man having intercourse with a girl younger than nine years of age has not committed a crime, but only an infraction, if the girl is not permanently damaged. If the girl, however, is permanently damaged, the man must provide for her all her life. But this girl will not count as one of the man’s four permanent wives. He also is not permitted to marry the girl’s sister.”
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Wonder what the idiot professor would have to say about this?
Thanks No Guff for the new word of the day: puerile. There is always something to learn at SDA.
Your critique of Jeffie’s work was a bit brutal but then again when one hangs his or her’s work out as an example of their expertise/talent, then all is fair.
Anyone named Miller in the GTA who doesn’t work at Toronto city hall or Ryerson should be entitled to a free name change.
From the Globe review in 1980. No mention of goats though.
Ayatollah leaves little to chance The Green Book instructs on every subject from politics to sex
Tuesday, January 29, 1980 – P.17
William French
Toronto ON — First it was Mao and his Little Red Book, now it’s the Ayatollah and his Little Green Book. And while the thoughts of Chairman Mao may have had a more profound influence on the history of the twentieth century – so far – Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomaini is more engaging to read. Hardly any aspect of human behavior is left to chance by Khomaini, and he even provides instructions for the proper way to go to the bathroom.
Sayings Of the Ayatollah Khomaini will be published shortly by Bantam as a $2.25 paperback. It’s a translation of a French edition which became an immediate bestseller when it was published in Paris last September. The French edition was dubbed The Little Green Book because of its cover, and Bantam has preserved the color scheme.
In an introduction to the Bantam edition, Clive Irving, former managing editor of The London Sunday Times, observes that to anyone reared and educated into the assumptions of Western life, the sayings of the Ayatollah are words from an alien mind. Many of the sentiments expressed here will seem – by turns – offensive, risible, pathological, obsessive, says Irving. But their strangeness cannot be lightly cast aside . . . For these are the words of a man who brought down – with words, not arms – the most elaborately armed regime in the Islamic world.
The book is a collection of extracts from three books of Khomaini’s teachings, The Kingdom of the Learned, The Key To Mysteries and The Explanation of Problems, all of which were originally published in Persian…
The book did come under some fire according to the NY Times. Someone got access to NYTimes archive through Lexis?
Baantam’s Khomeini Book Stirs Dispute; ‘Wrong and Inflammatory’
Question of Interpretation Basis for English Text Hired by Bantam ‘Acting Responsibly,’ Says Jaffe
By ROBERT BLAIR KAISER
March 28, 1980, Friday
Section: The Weekend, Page C31, 1287 words
Two Middle Eastern experts are questioning the fairness of a Bantam paperback entitled “Sayings of the Ayatollah Khomeini.” They contend that parts of it are not authentic and say that they are appalled by its publication because it presents a distorted view of Islamic culture.
I guess Miller isn’t moving.
http://www.thejournalismdoctor.ca/ViewBlog/13/
Re the Fairness Doctrine, will that mean that no media, either print or tv etc will be able to use unnamed sources anymore.
I could go for that.
Am I missing something here, or is Miller’s confusion (among his many confusions) due to the fact that Steyn called Khomeini’s book “The Blue Book” rather than “The Green Book”?
So Steyn may have failed to fact-check the name of the book, despite getting the content right.
True, enough Steyn got the name of the book wrong and used a secondary source (Fallaci).
However, Miller is a tenured journalism professor at a university and he’s relying on Google when he has access to all kinds of standard data bases.(Lexis-Nexis, the Reader’s Guide to Perodical Literature et al)
It took me less than 20 minutes to discover the background of the author of the book’s foreward, a New York Times biography of its translator, a Canadian review of the book and a New York Times article on the book when it came out.
Miller’s seems a bit lazy when it comes to research. Using Google as your sole source gets you in trouble.
In the chase for sources one wouldn’t want to lose track of the fact that Steyn & his immediate source Fallaci are pushing their own peculiar versions of the Eurabia theory and are concerned to make Muslims as disgusting as possible.
Steyn quoting Fallaci quoting the “blue book” — http://tinyurl.com/jvtpa
“A man who has had sexual relations with an animal, such as a sheep, may not eat its meat. He would commit sin.”
When challenged, Ezra Levant hops to the rescue, helpfully adding chickens to the mix —
“Those quotes were from Khomeini’s famous Tahrir-ol-vasyleh, [wiki link] his Iranian version of Mein Kampf — his master plan for the world, right down to how to have sex with chickens — the part Miller thought Steyn was making up.
I went to Google as Miller was talking, and found a ton of references for it. […]
http://ezralevant.com/2008/11/my-opening-remarks-at-todays-m.html
Levant mentions Harper’s. Harper’s quotes from, not the Green or Blue book, but from an unabridged translation of Tahrir-ol-vasyleh by J. Borujerdi.
Compared to the pamphlet-sized “green book”, [300+ quotes from three of Khomeini’s books] it has 432 pages — the original is about 1200 pages in two volumes [quotations purporting to be from the fourth volume — see Levant’s wiki reference — should be regarded with scepticism]
The Harper’s selection includes this admonition — http://www.harpers.org/archive/1985/06/0010032
2,631. “It is loathsome to eat the meat of a horse, a mule, or a donkey if someone has had coitus with the animal.”
The two quotatons don’t really mean the same thing, eh?
Apart from twisting the quote to imply that bestiality is fine as long as you don’t eat what you f*cked,
why Steyn would substitute sheep & Levant chickens, it would be odious to speculate.
Quality of sources is pretty important for journalists, I always thought.
I know professors who fail students for relying on Google, wikipedia and the like without further substantation.
Anyway, the smashing of the progressive forces during the Iranian revolution in 1980 by Khomeini and his allies is a hell of a lot more important than goats.
The left, which Miller belongs with, a generation ago knew that. Why do you think that a leftist like Jean Edern Hallier commisioned the book in the first place?
“Do not use this term, ‘democratic.’ That is the Western style’
-Khomeini-1980