“You got a
letter from Ryerson this morning.”
“Ryerson? What is it?”
“It’s a big building where students go to be taught by journalism professors who are incapable of fact-checking, but that’s not important now.”
Looks like he picked the wrong week to quit getting his “heart ripped out” by right-wing bloggers.
The money line is Steyn’s Post Script.
Excellent response (as usual) from Mr. Steyn
Oh, but it gets even stupider as you look into Miller’s past “free speech” positions..
http://searchingforliberty.blogspot.com/2008/11/apparently-mark-steyn-should-be.html
Steyn’s entire post is a money line!
Ezra doesn’t fight fair? Fair? This is freedom of expression we are talking about. There is no fair. There is only win.
Oh, btw, “fighting fair” – like having the CHRC become a tool where only attacking the political right is acceptable? Where CBC is the de facto voice of the Liberal Party of Canada, on the tax payers’ dime? Where “higher learning” so often is translated into “left-leaning intollerant indoctrination”?
Pardon me as a don’t shed a tear Miller.
“Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death! ”
http://libertyonline.hypermall.com/henry-liberty.html
Fighting fair is for losers.
I think this can best be summed up in two words:
Oh, snap.
Ezra Light ?
now Im offended. some of us are way right of Ezra.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.
This Miller charactor is one fine piece of work. His trying to slam all the writers and bloggers of the right in one article is truely pathetic. At least the trolls that float by and quote stats from wiki, try to find facts, even if it isn’t a vetted site.
The Fairness Doctrine is coming!
The Great O, our dear leader, will see to it. First, talk radio. Then, the internet. The rest of the MSM, except Fox news, need not be “taken care of”(Cost saving?).
Soon, Kate will have to share SDA with a counterview on each of her Threads. Cherniak or Red Tory, Kate? 😉
Each of us right wing peons who will want to post a comment will do so in intervals with the likes of Devin, John Cross, Iberia etc…This will of course all be moderated by the new blog police, another job creation of our dear world leader.
Is there anything Obama can’t do? : Is this still OK to write or is it “not fair”.
Now there’s a lesson for the learned Professor, good take down too, bloody well deserved.
Maybe he can find it within himself to apologize.
There are no clauses in the Canadian Charter of rights and Freedoms, (or USA’s Constitution, French Constitution etc etc.) that says that free speech is limited to the “politically correct.” I hold no degree in journalism, however I do know this. Sometimes a spade is just a spade.
This thread should be advertised to all the students at Ryerson so they can realize what a dufus their professor is.
Lack of credibility will be his biggest problem going forward.
And you wonder why journalism has gone down the crapper. With this idiot actually attempting to teach our future journalists no wonder they are all pretty bad. Wow…!!!
PS: Another CDN constitutional challenge on this issue is long overdue!
For those of us labouring in the belly of the academic beast, Steyn’s dismantling of The Journalism Doctor (not to mention Rob Harvie’s recollection of John Miller’s ignominious performance as a department chair at Ryerson)brings both delight and dread. We all have colleagues (too many colleagues) whose arguments are as fatuous and reputations as inflated as John Miller’s, and it warms the heart to see someone call them out on their nonsense. We wish it would happen more often. We wish we had the courage to do it more often ourselves.
At the same time, we know that the work of good teachers, serious scholars, and men and women of integrity is dependent, at least in Canada, on the support of both those who attend our institutions, sponsor our research, and those governments who subsidize our operations. There are hard times ahead for universities, at least in the short run, and the attention focused on The Journalism Doctor may, for many people, diminish us all.
There is no doubt that universities bring much public opprobrium on themselves through their indulgence, not of academic freedom, but of unscholarly behaviour. We all bear, to a greater or lesser degree, responsibility for our Ward Churchills, John Millers, and others, and we have not really had to face up to that responsibility yet.
The real proof of his intelligence (or lack of) is his willingness to mix it up with Mark Steyn. Maybe he’d like to enter a biker bar and start calling them names, as well. You’re way out of your weight class here, ‘perfesser’.
I cynically ask why, that when a lefty gets the pee hammered out of them, for insipid drivel, they claim that it’s unfair.
However, if “we” the right, complain about some of the misleading bull that the lefty’s spew, we are told that we are not progressive enough to see the issue.
I can’t call it a double standard,
It seems more like an excuse for a big smashing shot of unacceptable reality
I cynically ask why, that when a lefty gets the pee hammered out of them, for insipid drivel, they claim that it’s unfair.
However, if “we” the right, complain about some of the misleading bull that the lefty’s spew, we are told that we are not progressive enough to see the issue.
I can’t call it a double standard,
It seems more like an excuse for a big smashing shot of unacceptable reality
robin:
Then don’t let others define you.
Stand up for your rights. Don’t give up the fight.
Is it any wonder why “journalists” are largely laughed at in the real world? With “professors” like this idiot, the whole profession should be deep sixed. One wonders how many “journalists” have been taught by this ignoramus.
Great reading. The professor counters witty and sarcastic with whining and complaining about the great angry right-wing conspiracy.
In my experience, nothing ticks off an expert more than being out-done by someone they consider a lesser being. The good thing is that they usually withdraw in embarrassment for a good long while to heal their wounded ego.
Ezra ‘wielded the laptop like a weapon’.
Nice. Miller’s able to combine demonstrated ignorance with the audition of becoming a victim.
Home run for leftists everywhere.
deborah gyapong’s source is a website promoting the prophet of doom, a self-published book by craig winn. did he translate khomeini’s “blue book” or did someone else?
the answer is :
This version of The Little Green Book, is a translation done by Harold Salemson, whose source was a French translation of the Ayatollah’s fatawah compiled by a Persian named Jean-Marie Xaviere
craig winn’s motives are clear but who the devil are harold salemson or jean-marie xaviere? a google search doesn’t provide much insight into either individuals credentials.by the time winn gets his hands on things, it’s been translated two times by individuals no one knows a thing about.
(btw, winn also wrote that “No nation on earth has been more hostile to Israel’s survival than the United States. While that may sound inconsistent, American politicians give lip service to Israel while consistently funding and equipping her enemies. )
steyn uses deceased Italian journalist and author Oriana Fallaci’s book, ” The Force of Reason” as his source of proof for the whole muslims shagging sheep stuff. steyn asks professor miller whether he thinks fallaci simply made it up?
the problem is, she could have.fallaci made a number of bizarre and simply false claims in her book. from a literary review of The Force of Reason:
She claims that 85 per cent of blacks in America have converted to Islam, whereas the true figure is just under 10 per cent.
She blames Muslims for the murder of Dutch politician Wim Fortuyn, who was, in fact, killed by a Christian Dutchman, not a Muslim.
She also claims hat 50 per cent of all births in the French port city of Marseilles are Muslims. The registrar of births in Marseilles, however, tells us that the true figure is around 14 per cent.
fallaci interviewed khomeini in 1979:
Although the interview, done in Fallaci’s characteristically provocative style does not reflect it, she told TIME last week that she was impressed by Khomeini’s great dignity and splendid bearing It was the first time that I have ever felt charisma.” She was surprised by “the difference between the reality I saw there surrounding the Ayatullah and the way the Western press reports on him. The reality is that the people want him.”
at the end of the day, i have no idea whether khomeini wrote about shagging sheep and how to best dispose of the meat afterwards. the problem is, after a reasonable amount of research, i don’t think steyn, levant or gyapong really know either.
and that.. was miller’s whole point.
saying something simply because you can doesn’t do much for the cause of free speech but it provides a nice smokescreen when you lack the facts.
I love how he wraps it up:
“I posted to his blogsite, correcting what he had told the crowd at the Halifax panel as he wielded his laptop at me like a weapon.
So far he’s refused to put it up.
So much for this so-called champion of the unfettered right to freedom of speech.”
Apparently Miller believes that “Free Speech” means other people have to let you spout your garbage in their forum. I’m not a lawyer or a journalist, but even I understand that free speech means that the government doesn’t persecute you for expressing your opinions. Maybe he’s been hanging out with the infamous Sock Puppets!
Is it just me or does the left lack a sense of humor? Years ago a Stanford professor took on my father first over civil war trivia and then on the Viet Nam war. Dad has no college but his memory is nearly photographic and is critical thinking skills are very robust. Needless to say, the professor was verbally pummelled to within an inch of his life. He finally told the room at large that one can’t argue with someone without an education and left. Hahahahahaha.
Maybe this is why he believes in censorship
http://www.rrj.ca/issue/1996/spring/218/
A “Prostitute prof”? Toronto’s scandal-hungry tabloid couldn’t have invented a better hook. But reviewing the true story, who was really guilty of perversion?
by Angus Frame & Chris Purdy
At least you got an ‘Honourable Mention’, Kate!
(Best Opposite Sex?)
Ezra Lite my ass…:)
At least you got an ‘Honourable Mention’, Kate!
(Best Opposite Sex?)
Ezra Lite my ass…:)
Steyn has a great gift. How I wish I could write like that.
“My topic was responsible journalism, and how pursuit of the truth and engaging in the discipline of verification were two qualities that give journalism its authority and justify freedom of the press………He gave no citation for the quote, and I suspect it was made up.”
The professor defeats his own line of reasoning when he relies on his suspicion that Steyn made up the quote instead of using the rigorous “discipline of verification”. He didn’t go very far in his pursuit of truth concerning the statement in question. It is the same problem in his newest rebuttal. He fails to research the validity of the statement and instead deflects by blaming others and claiming to be a victim. He somehow even manages to equate this to students at Ryerson setting up White Power site. Does the left never get tired of playing the racist card when they are losing an argument? You would think that at some point they would get some new material.
In a way, the whole bit of entertainment is pathetic, pathos with the volume turned to max.
But in our culture the infected, pathetic mind of the herd is what rules. Facts are a kind of interference — added noise to the signal of control, and government manipulation.
That there is no man-made global-warming, that there is no possibility of humans affecting climate-change, that there are real consequences for diminishing the quest for freedom of expression, are of no import; facts, whether historical or observational only serve to demonstrate a departure from “togetherness” in the herd.
The Miller cases, even as humourous as they are, do damage, and leave their mess-ups as trash in the halls of supposed academia. Miller is incurable, he will excel from blunder to blunder, as most of us laugh harder.
We need more journalism janitors as we do science janitors, ready and willing to dump the trash.
PS. Garbage collection and dumping is costing more and more. Miller’s trash is but a significant indicator of what could end up destroying our economy and society. As Jennifer Lynch desecrates Human Rights, Miller desecrates Journalism. And they have no shame.
Note that on Miller’s blog, his first byline is “Expert Witness”. And he calls himself a “journalism professor”. Reminds me of the South Park episode where the kids had to rename their school mascot either “Giant Douche” or “Turd Sandwich”.
Those who can, do. Those who can’t, teach.
This Miller charactor is one fine piece of work. His trying to slam all the writers and bloggers of the right in one article is truely pathetic. At least the trolls that float by and quote stats from wiki, try to find facts, even if it isn’t a vetted site.
He’s been professor of journalism at Ryerson for 21 years, following a 20-year career as an editor and reporter. Most of that was spent at the Toronto Star, where he was foreign editor, founding editor of the Sunday Star, weekend editor, deputy managing editor, and acting managing editor.
Not nearly as impressive as writing a blog though is it?
Jeff speaks of credentials, yet still pretends he’s a professional photographer.
Steyn…a legend in his own mind… and people accuse me of a superiority complex. Wow… how does Steyn get his head through doorways?
Steyn is the ultimate jackass, pure and simple.
Yukon Gold,
I’m distressed to learn that you find my photographic abilities to be lacking. As a regular commenter at Small Dead Animals, your analysis of my work means so much to me.
I charge $200/hr for my services, how much do you get for being a groupy?
Jeffy, Ryerson is called Ry-High for a reason. That reason is people like Mr. Miller and Wendy Cukier, sub-standard Leftists who didn’t make the A-team over at UofT.
The fact that he worked for the Red Star is not a point in his favor, btw. Extreme leftward slant is not a replacement for actual skill, dude. The Red Star’s circulation numbers certainly reflect that.
The toREDstar as a credential?
Now that’s funny.
So he’s been a prof of journalism for 21 years?
Then I say, he’s stagnant, stale, narrow minded, soured and it shows. NO wonder the MSM is losing money and credibility, and it shows as well.
The Red Star’s circulation numbers certainly reflect that.
i take your point. being an editor of a paper with the highest weekly circulation in the country isn’t nearly as impressive as being the editor of say….the national post. lmao.
I can see it now — Big Live Vegetables.
A perfect venue for most liberal bloggers.
How many $200 per hour in a given week DO you actually realize Jeff?
You seem to hang out here quite a bit, is your income subsidized with public funds as well?
Oh yes,working for the T.O. star,now that’s impressive!
ductrapper nailed it I think. In this case a journalist tried to mix it up with a word smith and came out of it looking very bad.
Good to see ol Jeff and Ron still defending censorship. keep up the good work guys!
My grandfather told me that when he was a kid, back, say, about 1918, the really, really naughty boys would take a couple of tom cats and hang them side-by-side by their tails from the rafters of the barn, then watch the show.
Too bad he wasn’t around to see Miller and Levant go at it.
Jeffy says: “at the end of the day, i have no idea whether khomeini wrote about shagging sheep and how to best dispose of the meat afterwards. the problem is, after a reasonable amount of research, i don’t think steyn, levant or gyapong really know either.
and that.. was miller’s whole point.”
Well, no Jeffy it wasn’t. Miller’s whole point was that Steyn made it all up and that he shouldn’t be allowed to do that, ’cause its mean to Muslims and some redneck like The Phantom might be inspired by it to go out and do damage. Or something. Maybe. Because people are stupid, y’know. They gotta be -controlled-.
That was his point.
Ok. So Jeff is a photographer and charges $200 per hour. I’m a lawyer and charge $375.00. Does that make my opinions or thoughts somehow more impressive? Jeff, you had me at your first post, but then lost me when you decided to drop into the muck..
It’s fair comment that, at first glance, there is a suggestion that some of Steyn’s sources are not reputable.. though, and I’m just guessing, I would imagine that Jeff didn’t actually read “Force of Reason” to determine if the comments attributed to Fallaci are in fact true. I’m sure that he (like myself) googled around and found that someone else has alleged these errors in her writing – and they, like Fallaci, like Mark Steyn, may be right, or they may be wrong.. such is the risk of relying upon third-party research or data, particularly in this age of the internet.
If Jeff is right, however, and such is the case – then, here, as elsewhere, everyone should have the right to argue, clearly, that Mark’s points of view may be based upon inaccuate accounts, false data from questionable sources, etc.. and that is the point of the need for vigorous and free debate.
Personally – my attitude has never been that we should only be able to give our thoughts or opinions when they are accurately and completely sourced.. for that matter, I think we should be free to just make shit up.. and then be ready to stand by our opinions when we’re taken apart by others with greater knoweldge and information.
I mean, let’s be honest.. how many crusaders for CO2 reductions truly have a working scientific knowledge of the theory of global warming, and long-term geographic data which supports or works against it? So – does that mean that every blogger who suggests we should reduce C02 emissions should be censored unless they can prove their theory is accurate and correct.. I mean, let’s be honest – “Inconvenient Truth” has now been officially labeled as propoganda in the U.K., due to it’s numerous factual inaccuracies.. so, does that mean we should censor Al Gore? While part of me would love it – the reality is that I relish freedom more than I abor an idiot.
This is the point. Attack Mark’s point of view all you want – point out the weaknesses in his writing – that is great.. just don’t try and say that he shouldn’t be able to articulate his opinion.
You seem to hang out here quite a bit
i’m absent from the chat room for extended periods. i return on occasion, when it suits me.
oh phantom, you clever beast, it’s j.e.f.f.i.e
get it right.
Who the hell is Wim Fortuyn??? Do you mean Pim Fortuyn?
If you’re going to cut and paste from a book review, at least check your facts first.
http://www.asharq-e.com/news.asp?section=8&id=6104
Jeffy says: “oh phantom, you clever beast, it’s j.e.f.f.i.e”
This from a guy who can’t find the shift key.
Straying from the point, Jeffy. You want Mr. Miller passing judgment on what pictures you get to publish? Because that’s where this is all going, y’know.
Won’t take long either, another five years with a Liberal or NDP win in it, and you personally are going to be having your pics checked for “suitability” by some $9.50/hr clerk in the basement at Queens Park.