wrote Illinois University rampage killer, a social work major who also listed “peace” and “political violence” among his interests.
(Note that word “feel.”)
Ah yes, “social justice”: the forced application of unworkable solutions to imaginary problems.
So: answer as if you had to bet your life on it — did this guy vote Democrat or Republican?
Unpack to your hearts’ content in the comments.
Nice job of avoiding the issues Johnny. You’re a perfect Lefty.
Now, about those gun-free zones. Which party is the champion of the whole gun-free environment idea, Johnny baby? Go on, you can do it, starts with a “D”, ends in “rat”. Say it with me now…
Yes, because clearly, he was afraid of dying. He was so afraid of getting shot to death that he shot himself to death.
Your leftist logic missed the point that obviously he was afraid of dying before he’d killed a few people. Otherwise he would have just killed himself.
This shooter was a nutbar who was off his meds. Mental illness (other than the leftard type I mean) is a huge problem. This could happen to anyone. We used to have these people in hospitals where they could be treated and were no danger to society. Now they have the right to not get treated, which for a lot of them means living on the streets because they are unable to function without treatment. This is apparently kinder and gentler than the old way.
He wasn’t so crazy that he went where people are armed to do his killing. Leftardism believes in sharing the misery and that’s exactly what he did.
Penney Wrote “There is no evidence of that. “Severely mentally ill” means psychotic, there is no evidence of that. The “severely mentally ill” aren’t as organized nor do they have a successful college history. In fact on most of these creeps aren’t identified with a major mental illness that has psychosis as a feature.”
And you don’t believe going on a rampage that kills five people after going off your medication indicates a severe mental illness? Furthermore, you have a distorted view of what a mental illness is and how it affects people – you don’t think that they could complete a university degree? When most people are on their medications they are by and large much better and capable of functioning like anyone else. Leave the comments on mental illness to those in the medical community.
Phantom, I’m simply using Kathy Shaidle’s immensely intelligent, well-reasoned and carefully thought-out logic, and just applying it to another mass murderer.
What? Is there some problem? Where does my pointing out the example of Ted Bundy, a conservative mass murderer, go wrong in carrying forth her discussion point? I mean, Ted Bundy actually worked for the Republicans. Ted Bundy was highly educated. And Ted Bundy killed a lot of college students.
I’m very sorry Phantom, but Shaidle’s post was very clear: a political view and education is very much part and parcel of said person’s proclivity to commit mass murder. Ergo, highly educated conservative-minded people are quite likely to kill other students. (And while I’m not clear how you can confirm voting intent from person who once wrote that he favours “social justice,” let’s just make a wild leap of faith and assume Shaidle is right.)
So again, where is the breakdown in Kathy Shaidle’s logic? Seems straightforward to me…if that’s the game you want to play.
Yeah I was wondering why Bundy’s name didnt show up earlier.
Nobody’s swtiching issues here. If you are going to link political views with this incident then you might as well be uniform about it.
Even the champions of Shaidle’s Very Smrt Logic have to admit they’re staining the bounds of rational thought on this one. The guy wasn’t Muslim, gay, a Democratic activist, war protester, alcoholic, or a heroin addict…
…but maybe he was a vegetarian who excercised and didn’t smoke. In other words, Liberal Fascist!!
Response from the Right: crickets chirping…
Posted by: lberia at February 15, 2008 5:53 PM
“There are only two things worthy of consideration here: this person had mental problems and he had access to a gun.”
One, maybe his mental problems are caused by all the “Social Justice” courses and causes he was involved in.
Two, if the leftards would allow people with mental issues into a database he wouldn’t have gotten a gun in the first place.
Attn Penny
And all those who act like they know everything but dont really know anything.
“There is no evidence of that. “Severely mentally ill” means psychotic, there is no evidence of that. The “severely mentally ill” aren’t as organized nor do they have a successful college history. In fact on most of these creeps aren’t identified with a major mental illness that has psychosis as a feature. ”
Townhall – the right wing american website has an interesting story that should put an end to another one of your myths.
“Professors and students knew him as a bright, helpful scholar, but his past included a stint in a mental health center.”
“A former employee at a Chicago psychiatric treatment center said Kazmierczak had been placed there after high school by his parents. He used to cut himself and had resisted taking his medications, she said.”
“”He never wanted to identify with being mentally ill,” she said. “That was part of the problem.””
“He also had a short-lived stint as a prison guard that ended abruptly when he didn’t show up for work. He was in the Army for about six months in 2001-02, but he told a friend he’d gotten a psychological discharge.”
“Aaron Funsfinn, who knew Kazmierczak at NIU, noted that Kazmierczak had become interested in guns in recent years, but said he wasn’t alarmed by his friend’s outspoken support for gun ownership.
“He was very rational and reasoned,” said Funsfinn, 23.”
“”Profiling would not have worked with Steve. People would let him into their home,” she said. “People feel so bad that we didn’t know he was suffering like this.””
Right, well people who are admitted to mental health centers and who are on medication, are generally mentally unsound.
Is that enough evidence for you or are we going to continue this bullsh*&?
How much real information is there on this website? And how much of it is penny-esque hearsay?
cdn. infidel
“At least one criminal background check was performed _ Kazmierczak had no criminal record.
Kazmierczak had a state police-issued FOID, a firearms owners identification card, which is required in Illinois to own a gun, authorities said. Such cards are rarely issued to those with recent mental health problems. And since Kazmierczak’s stay in the mental health center was more than five years ago, it didn’t raise red flags.”
Dont see any mention of any “leftards” in there. Or of his mental health problems coinciding with his social justice courses – appears they started before them.
Now listen to the sound of silence. Another pointless thread will fall silent.
The politicians Bundy worked for were both liberal Republicans, especially Rockefeller. Still, I’m sure there are conservative murderers out there, so I don’t know if this discussion is at all productive.
Say, sput. Did you know there’s a mental health question on the federal form you have to sign to buy a gun? Buddy lied on those forms.
Did you know there’s a mental health question on the forms to get the Illinois FOID? Buddy lied again.
As I think I posted above, there’s plenty of other evidence this was a pre-planned attack. He planned at least 6 days ahead, and given his other lies may have been planning for years. Meaning he didn’t just “snap” because he was off his meds. They never do.
Its illegal under US Fedeal law and Illinois state law to posses firearms after being hospitalized for mental illness. Didn’t stop our little friend, did it?
The net effect of this web of federal and state law is to disarm the public while providing no impediment to criminals and nuts. A target rich environment, if you will.
The reason we have all these laws started with the real live Ku Klux Klan back in the 1920’s in New York with the Sullivan Act, which morphed into the “progressive” wing of the DemocRat Party and the 1968 Gun Control Act. Parts of which were lifted verbatim from Hitler’s gun control act of the early 1930’s. Word for word, y’know, allowing for German-English translation. Why mess with a good thing?
Leftards created the gun-free zone this guy used for a shooting gallery. Leftards arranged the loophole that allowed him to lie on innumerable gun control forms and not get caught. Leftards produce the propaganda that keeps this complex of lies in place, year after year and let mental cases shoot up schools, offices, malls and post offices year after year.
That the shooter himself was also a devoted Leftard is merely delicious irony for those of us who detest your lies and fight your obscene propaganda every day.