Consensus Busters: The pushback grows stronger
Over 400 prominent scientists from more than two dozen countries recently voiced significant objections to major aspects of the so-called “consensus” on man-made global warming. These scientists, many of whom are current and former participants in the UN IPCC (Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change), criticized the climate claims made by the UN IPCC and former Vice President Al Gore.
This blockbuster Senate report lists the scientists by name, country of residence, and academic/institutional affiliation. It also features their own words, biographies, and weblinks to their peer reviewed studies and original source materials as gathered from public statements, various news outlets, and websites in 2007. This new “consensus busters” report is poised to redefine the debate.
Many of the scientists featured in this report consistently stated that numerous colleagues shared their views, but they will not speak out publicly for fear of retribution. Atmospheric scientist Dr. Nathan Paldor, Professor of Dynamical Meteorology and Physical Oceanography at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem, author of almost 70 peer-reviewed studies, explains how many of his fellow scientists have been intimidated.
“Many of my colleagues with whom I spoke share these views and report on their inability to publish their skepticism in the scientific or public media,”
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The distinguished scientists featured in this new report are experts in diverse fields, including: climatology; oceanography; geology; biology; glaciology; biogeography; meteorology; oceanography; economics; chemistry; mathematics; environmental sciences; engineering; physics and paleoclimatology. Some of those profiled have won Nobel Prizes for their outstanding contribution to their field of expertise and many shared a portion of the UN IPCC Nobel Peace Prize with Vice President Gore.
Additionally, these scientists hail from prestigious institutions worldwide, including: Harvard University; NASA; National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR); Massachusetts Institute of Technology; the UN IPCC; the Danish National Space Center; U.S. Department of Energy; Princeton University; the Environmental Protection Agency; University of Pennsylvania; Hebrew University of Jerusalem; the International Arctic Research Centre; the Pasteur Institute in Paris; the Belgian Weather Institute; Royal Netherlands Meteorological Institute; the University of Helsinki; the National Academy of Sciences of the U.S., France, and Russia; the University of Pretoria; University of Notre Dame; Stockholm University; University of Melbourne; University of Columbia; the World Federation of Scientists; and the University of London.
The voices of many of these hundreds of scientists serve as a direct challenge to the often media-hyped “consensus” that the debate is “settled.”
Update – Here’s a stinging counter-punch: “After a quick review of the report, Gore spokeswoman Kalee Kreider said 25 or 30 of the scientists may have received funding from Exxon Mobil Corp.”
How dare these guys/gals try to debunk AGW.The GOREACLE has spoken! The inventer of the internet can not be wrong! These heathens will fry in Hell!
Heh
I love the smell of vindication in the morning. I promise I won’t rub it in the noses of my friends who have called me a “denier”, and have thought me to be simply simple.
Okay… I might rub it in a little bit.
Who is going to send this on to David Suzuki?
hat tip matt in the comments here
http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/007666.html#c223963
(taps toe impatiently) 😉
matt,
Please refrain from tapping your toe. It burns calories, which requires you to consume more food, which leads directly to the burning of fossil fuels to provide you with that food.
matt taps his toe in North America, and a glacier calves in Argentina.
“matt taps his toe in North America, and a glacier calves in Argentina.
Posted by: Karl at December 21, 2007 11:32 AM ”
They have glaciers in Argentia? I thought the llamas got rid of them all with their f$$ts.
Gee — I wonder who to believe? Gore with his hand in our back pocket or ….. could this be true?
Naw — it’s settled science.
Meanwhile, a drought in China is being blamed on global warming.
Checkout the map of where the drought is and tell me it isn’t just too many faucets.
Drought Map Here
The blame game is alive and well in China. Mo Strong lives there doesn’t he?
When this climate thing blows up its going to rock as much as the dot com bubble.Scam a few dupes and the police are after you,scam countries and you get the Nobel prize.
I wonder how the GW acolytes deal with the mounting evidence and just plain colder weather? I suspect they will never admit they were wrong, because they cared about the planet. Well, I care about real pollution in the environment, starting with all the b**lshit spewed by the UN and the IPCC at Bali!
If the science was settled, the earth would still be flat.
“Consensus Busters: The pushback grows stronger”
Wrong, again. Tim at Deltoid crushes this bug here: http://scienceblogs.com/deltoid/2007/12/john_mclean_and_the_nrsp.php
more gas than greenhouse gas.
http://www.cnn.com/2007/POLITICS/12/20/california.emissions/index.html
Thanks, Matt – but lots of people sent that one. 🙂
Notice the rsponse from Gore is already saying that up to 25 of the 30 scientists MIGHT have received money from Exxon.
And this all about the science? Sounds like a political attack against some dissenters to me. Given that it is political, expect the dissent to be dealt with severely, as in Machiavelli. When will one of those scientists be “hung from the Church Tower”, figureatively speaking of course.
That flushing sound you hear is a corpulent fruit fly going down the credibility sewie hole.
A suggestion for a new title for your blog Kate;
Small, pathetic, whining animals.
You people, and I use the term people loosely, are pathetic, not because of what you believe in or don’t believe in, but because your leader can’t get the numbers to go for a majority against Dion!
ROFLMAO at Harper’s cowardice and piss poor leadership. Enjoy your brief and ineffectual time in the sun, because even if by some miracle Harper gets you another minority, it won’t last a year.
Happy Solstice losers.
Ahhhhhhhhhh….poor quantum lieberal tries to make fun.Tell me,when is the solstice?(hint I know)And a lieberal referring to a pagan holiday?Wow.And winter? I thought AGW got rid of that nasty season.
Ah well….. I see that liberals are still unable to come up with anything remotely intelligent. Feliz Navidad, Liberal Troll
b_nichol,
He did? Sounds like the rebuttal was “they are in the pockets of Big Oil, so pay no attention”. It certainly did not address the problems the scientists had with the methodology. The IPCC is not a scientific endeavour, but a political one.
Science doesn’t move that fast.
Hey Quantum,
You know what makes me LOL? The fact that when cancer finished eating Trudeau, the first thing that happened to the ugly old lecher when he got to h*ll was to get a kick in the balls from his son for not teaching him how to swim.
And a good day to you.
Quantum
If you are a Liberal of any influence please I beg of you have Dion push the government over the edge so an election is called.
Then we can see who Canadians will vote for after a 6 week look at both parties and leaders…..then we can talk about the result.
I have said it before and I will say it agian. If you thought the last Liberal campaign with Martin was a disorganized joke, complete with inability to pay for the fuel on the plane, just wait till this one happens.
It will be one for the record books.
The Liberals have no money, a leader who is vulnerable on many policies, a leader who has significant difficulty communicating in one of the official languages, a leader who is not respected by his home province and a dispirited party. Yup that’s the missing recipie for forming a government.
Please vote no confidence, lets have the election and if the Cons dont have a majority or are within 5 seats of a majority then I will gladly by you your favourite beverage at your favourite watering hole.
Harper, Harper, Harper!
Lol, what a joke. Seriously, if you tories aren’t worried about your slowly polling numbers, than you’re either dumb as fuck or pathologically naive.
Harper’s leadership numbers correspond almost exactly with his2006 election results, which he only won because of the allegations by Junkyard Jack’s commies that Goodale was rotten.
This extended minority government is a huge kick in the balls for the fat bastard, especially against a new opposition leader and Canada’s sizzling hot economy.
Seriously, what do you think will happen once Ontarians find out (during an election) about Harper’s attempt to disenfranchise them? On top of that we have recession on the way, at least for Quebec and Ontario, i.e. Canada, exactly how do you morons square that with your fantasy of a majority developing during the next election?
Quantum Liberal,
You sound angry an desperate. Your language is unappreciated. Take a lude of some sort and make your point like an adult.
Typical liberal. Talking about AGW and the holes developing (and the problems that will cause for the bleating sheeple), and then one shows up and instantly mis-directs.
Nice try Quantum, but you lose this one. Get used to it, though, as you’ll be seeing quite a bit of the loss column with Steffi Dion as leader.
Sound angry on a Small Dead Animals AND when discussing Harper’s personality/leadership? Have you not seen any video of Harper’s chronically angry and constipated performance during Question Period?
I get it, you’re joking, thanks for laugh John, Happy Solstice to you and your loved ones.
Add to the ‘pushback’, the 100+ eminent scientists who were signatory to a letter to Ban-Ki Moon, Sec Gen of the UN while at the IPCC conference, recommending that we should give up futile attempts to combat climate change. They stated that “it is not possible to stop climate change, a natural phenomena that has affected humanity through the ages”. The entire letter was published in the Dec 13 edition of the Financial Post, it is required reading on the subject.
The bottem line is that the climate has always being changing and always will be changing. We are not able to create a world “Temperature Thermostat” and we should not do extreme damage to the economies of the world attempting to do so.
Erwin
It is interesting that the on-going allegations that the scientists who speak out against the folly of the global warming scam are on the payroll of oil companies is somehow the evil.
What about all the fawning acquiescent scientists who are on he payroll of universities, government grants, the UN and other organizations whose interest it is to have the socialist cause win the global warming debate and impoverish the West? Those guys are fearing for their livelihoods. Is that not evil?
It has been said many time before, this whole thing is purely political. It is the latest ‘state of fear’ effort to bring about the global feudal state of socialist misery.
The Communist Soviet system failed and the Chinese communist system has embraced the dreaded Capitalist model to survive. What is the message?
Kalee Kreider is a coward in not naming those who he/she attempts to discredit. I would expect the scientists to launch litigation if she were to do so.
The person who is missrepresenting the issue on a grand scale of course is Gore himsels as evidenced by the Supreme court judge in the UK who disallowed the showing of his “Inconvenient Lies” in schools without a discalimer of nine of the socalled facts either being not true or not proven. Whenj will people come to the realization that Gore is not a climate scientist or even a scientist of any kind.
Erwin
Kalee Kreider is a coward in not naming those who he/she attempts to discredit. I would expect the scientists to launch litigation if she were to do so.
The person who is missrepresenting the issue on a grand scale of course is Gore himself as evidenced by the Supreme court judge in the UK who disallowed the showing of his “Inconvenient Lies” in schools without a discalimer of nine of the so called facts either being not true or not proven. When will people come to the realization that Gore is not a climate scientist or even a scientist of any kind? He is a failed politician.
Erwin
Seriously, by the time Harper can engineer his own defeat, Dion will be fluent in six additional languages, and the Liberanos will have found a way to steal enough money to even the fight.
Do you really think Layton’s commies are going to be able to siphon off more of the split the vote? The only thing more surprising than Harper’s inability to benefit from Dions’ language woes is Layton’s totally stagnant 15% support.
And you all know who the second party of choice for most of the dippers, greens and other CBC commies is right? Face it, the longer this minority charade goes on, the more likely the dippers and greens will realize that there is only one way to get rid of Harper; Dion and the LPC.
Get it through your thick skulls, there aren’t enough evangelical christians in Canada to give you a hope in hell of getting a majority.
I will enjoy watching the CRAP split up after the next election.
Does everyone have their Festivus pole ready?
Krydor: please re-read the article, and DeSmogBlog’s take on the report at http://www.desmogblog.com/400-prominent-scientists-dispute-global-warming-bunk
While there may certainly be legitimate concerns from respected scholars such as Palidor – who actually publish in their fields of expertise – there are also the usual ‘suspects’ of paid PR flacks, frauds and fakes. Really, after the Swift Boat fraud of 2004, can anyone take Marc Morano seriously on any subject?
It’s as if there is a “Wedge” document out there, similar to the Discovery Institute’s version on evolution, that promotes an anti-science viewpoint on AGW, and if that fails, promote the ‘controversy’ to muddy the waters. Of course there is no consensus on the issue, it wouldn’t be science if there was. But ask yourself, why do we constantly hear from the least-accredited people from the denialist side? If they indeed had valid points to make, why aren’t they doing the research themselves instead of inflating or making up their scientific credentials? And when that happens, it is perfectly legitimate to question their honesty and integrity based upon who writes their cheques (hello Steve Milloy).
Quantum Librano,
when you grow up and become a man, one day you will come to the realization that the left wing is not a place for those hard working and entrepreneurial Canadians whose efforts make us a more prosperous nation, with the ability to look after our society much better than those of the failed left wing philosophy, such as that corrupt party void of principals who are without a competent leader-the Liberals. You will then possibly realize that you wasted your parents hard earned money sending you to secondary school. Give it up little fellow, or are you now on Christmas break. I hope that Santa is good to you.
Erwin
Erwin wrote: “The person who is missrepresenting the issue on a grand scale of course is Gore himself as evidenced by the Supreme court judge in the UK who disallowed the showing of his “Inconvenient Lies” in schools without a discalimer of nine of the so called facts either being not true or not proven.”
Close, but not quite. The judgement was that 9 statements (out of the ENTIRE 90-minute presentation) had to be corrected before being shown. The decision was based on expert scientific testimony. Just another “Inconvenient Truth”, eh?
And how do ya think Patrick Moore, Bjorm Lomborg, Tim Ball would stack up against Gore, Suzuki, Maurice Strong.
The latter have been challenged many times.
Their response ? Plug ears, shout na na, na na na the science is settled. Same tactics a naughty child uses. Telling.
The tide is turning, slowly to be sure. However, the recent lack of empirical evidence to support the AGW hypothesis on global warming (of which there has been none for 6 or so years now)appears to have invigorated the skeptic side. And forced the pro-AGW side into a reactive, as opposed to pro-active mode. Witness as an example the preponderance of “damage control” type postings at the site Realclimate.org.
Regards, BRK
quantum,
Do you know what I hate most about leftards like you? You’re just too stupid to realize you know nothing on any subject.
To the rest of you, Merry Christmas! I have a plane to catch to Punta Cana and no, I didn’t purchase any carbon credits from any fraudulent snake oil salesmen or other Al Gore-types.
b nichol
I appreciate you acknowledging that some of Gores “Inconvenient Lies” were in fact lies or falsehoods as some, prefer to refer to them as. Those nine points were a major part of his Global Warming premise.
A little riddle for you and your school mate Quantum while we are on the subject:
• Why was a very large island in the North Atlantic Ocean, given the name “Greenland” rather than “Whiteland”?
• I wander if it might have had anything to do with the color of it at the time?
• Or the color of even part of it, like the fiords?
• And if those fiords were green at the time, why were they?
• Could it possibly be that the very thick layer of ice overlaying them melted?
• And might that have been caused by the prevailing temperatures at that time?
• My goodness they must have had a heck of a lot of global warming to have melted that much glacier ice?
• and with that amount of warming, the polar bears, did they all perish and subsequently come back again, from the dead?Is there a lot of evidence of the great amount of worldwide flooding that must have occurred when much of that ice cap of that huge island melted? Or even any evidence?
• Is it true that the world’s climate has always been changing and will always continue to be changing?
• Is it true that some leading researchers (McKittrick et al) have discovered that much of the temperature data used by the IPCC to model world temperature changes was found to be seriously flawed and as such has put into question the basic foundation of the theory of temperature change/ climate change on which the Kyoto accord was founded upon?
Now c’mon nichol and Quantum, make a quantum leap and give it a shot.
Erwin
Those 9 points are the heart of the ENTIRE 90 minute religious brimstone n’ fire. Cannot be corrected without extinquishing the fire. (And there are 35 more lies too !! Judge was tired — had more than enough evidence)
Result ? Nothing left of AIT.
Definition of nothing: a turd in the middle of the road with the sh** kicked out of it !!
Quantum Lieberal we have a holiday in Canada called Christmas if you don’t like it move to zimbabwe to celebrate your solstice.
It’s a Canadian Value Christmas, do you have any? Or are you mean spirited and just like to insult Canadian values.
Why are you here? Go to robertmugabe.org or Fidelismysavior.notcom you will be much happier. And have more dedicated tax money to waste.
I am going to be very interested in following the many lawsuits that are going to follow the total collapse of the AGW fiction.
How much has been spent by naive North Americans (I doubt the Europeans will sue anyone) based on the doom and gloom predictions of the AGW crowd?
Will all the carbon credit outfits be forced to return this money already sent to them? Most of it probably has already been spent by now – undoubtedly there are no assets to seize from these shell companies.
And what about the main proponents of this farce? The Al Gores, Suzukis, etc., who may now be under the gun – will racketeering charges be contemplated/filed in the USA?
I suspect (and hope) that there will be more spent on legal fees defending themselves than these fellows ever benefitted from the scam – and that’s a good thing.
nichol and Quantum,
Waiting for intelligent answers, or are the questions too tough for you?
Can’t find an enviro spin-doctor to help you out?
Try Gore or Suzuki.
We should have a lottery guessing as to how long it will take them to answer intelligently?
Erwin
Quantum Liberal,
if Harper loses the election you can count on me and a growing number of US citizens to get back to the job of discussing statehood with Alberta.
So some good could conceivably come out of it. Maybe some other provinces would want to think about statehood with them.
Perhaps you should reconsider your eagarness for a Liberal triumph.
Sorry, Erwin, but your Greenland hypothesis does not hold water (or ice), from what we know of the historical and geological records. If Greenland had been completely verdant in the past 1000 years (about the time it was colonised by the Eriksons), why are there ice cores being extracted that represent hundreds of thousands of years old. The whole argument is fallacious.
Ron: the judge was tired!? As GOB would say “C’mon!”
“nichol and Quantum,
Waiting for intelligent answers, or are the questions too tough for you?
Can’t find an enviro spin-doctor to help you out?
Try Gore or Suzuki.
We should have a lottery guessing as to how long it will take them to answer intelligently?”
You lose. If you didn’t want to debate the salient points, you could have saved everyone the time.
Kate: I move to vote Happy Conservative off the (sda) island.
Hey Quantum…the fiscal center of Canada is now Alberta.We are producing actual wealth,unlike Queerbec or Ontario,which just live of the federal teat.When Harper gets his majority,the best thing that can happen is kill the CBC,grants to Bombardia,etc.and screw Quebec.And the poor babies in the manufacturing industry in Ontario who are killing their jobs with union demands?F**k them to.Notice that the States have half the unions we do,and their economy is booming? Canada,Soviet Union of North America.Oh.and Merry Christmas,and may Jesus bless you.
Quick and simple computation:
– 400 scientists have signed this petition
– 25 of them “may” have received funding from a certain company.
– Therefore: at least 375 have not received such funding.
What about those people? The supposed ‘bug squash’ wasn’t even 10% of the job, let alone half the job – even if genuine scientists are as easy to buy off as politicians, an assumption that I seriously doubt is true.
Why does anyone waste time and effort communicating with a pompous no mind like Quantum Liberal???
If he was offering intelligent debate then I could understand, but he isn’t.
Yah, don’t ask a scientist what he thinks – I mean what could he/she possibly know about ‘man-made global warming’ in comparison to what Al Gore could actually know. E-gads.
@b_nichol:
Uh-h-h…need I remind you that Leif Erickson didn’t exacly have the tools to conduct a systematic and complete survey of Greenland a thousand years ago? The parts that he and his fellow adventurers saw were verdant; those other parts you referred to were not the parts that he saw. A simple inference.
So let me spell it out for you:
– The parts that Leif Erickson & cohorts saw were verdant. Hence, the name “Greenland.” This implies that some of it was verdant at the time of its naming.
– As of recent times, none of has been verdant.
– Some is greater than none.
– Hence, things were warmer ‘way back then in that locale than they are now.
Before you go on a round of self-appointed self-congratulation, I should inform you that there were no cameras back then, either. I should also inform you that the lack of such ‘verificatory’ equipment never deterred any historian from concluding, say, that the First Earl of Derby existed.