“It treats issues differently from one instance to another. This huge inconsistency can make Muslims confused. Based on this confusion, many Muslims have for centuries excluded non-Muslims from their orbit. In addition, the traditional script of the Qur’an exhorts repulsion of ‘others’ much more than acceptance. Many Muslims are unwilling to realise that the Qur’an was written and compiled by the pioneers of Islam through different political stages. Instead, many take the book as the final verdict of God. These Qur’anic teachings have been enforced by Sharia even more strictly than the Qur’an itself over the centuries. Now, for many, the whole essence of Islam is repulsion of others.”
“Today the spokespersons of Islam are ignoring fundamental realities in a fake attempt to show global harmony. They are trying to show Islam as a religion of peace. They blame the foreign policies of Britain and the USA for every misery in the Muslim world. Left-leaning groups across the world are allying themselves with Muslim fundamentalists because of a common hatred of the USA. So many leftwing academics are facilitating the denial and conspiracy theories of Muslims. Interestingly, we, as Muslims, have been accusing others of denying the ultimate ‘truth’ of Islam, hence calling them infidels. Actually, many of us are now in denial as to the religious roots of terrorism. According to our own definition of infidel, we can be viewed as being infidels. Without acknowledging the sin of denial, we can’t rectify our misdeeds. That’s the reason I have proposed the New Islam project, to encourage that realisation.”
An Interview with Tahir Aslam Gora..
Related: “The Term ‘Moderate Islam’ Is Ugly And Offensive; There Is No Moderate Islam”
Closer to home, an update on the Toronto letter bomber: “Bunch of guys named Mohammed say guy whose middle name is Mohammed seemed unstable.”
Self loather,
“That’s funny. I’m a leftist, and I have a nice job, my own home, I pay my taxes. I actually don’t worship the state, though all available evidence indicates that public, single-payer healthcare is actually more efficient than private healthcare.”
Well, aren’t you lucky that you were born in a western state? Aren’t you lucky you we were born in Saudi Arabia, or any other Islamic state? For that matter, aren’t you lucky you survived Roe vs. Wade?
“Iraq is a disaster area because of Christian leader. The Europeans who slaughtered each other for hundreds of years were Christians. All the while, the Islamic world was actually quite peaceful and, in some ways, culturally more advanced than the west.”
“Christian leader.” Bush is a universalist, go to youtube, type in Bush and Universalist and see for yourself. Oh, and McVeigh was a self confessed atheist.
“Obviously you are not familiar with the history of Canada and the United States. The reason why white people are here, and not the aboriginals, is that the original white inhabitants killed them all.”
I don’t know. Who are all those people that call themselves the First Nations then? Hmmm. For that matter, who did they kill to survive? For that matter, have you ever read their own bloody mythology, with regards to race (and not just brown races)?
“Have Muslims been to your house trying to convert you? Have they defiled the white-women in your neighbourhood, or engaged in acts of terrorism? Are they converting your children to Islam?”
Ever heard of the 1.5 million European and American whites kidnapped into slavery by the Barbary Muslims between 1730 and 1815? Didn’t think so. But then, I don’t think you have any knowledge to gleen any wisdom from in the first place.
At least your moniker was well chosen.
“What about the leftists? If there were no more leftists in the world, how would your life be better?”
The war against idiots would be over and we could lose past mistakes and get on with the future. That’s a pretty good answer, no?
“Wow, the troll are out in full force!”
The idiot bell went off in the idiot cave.
Rwanda? That’s all you’ve got? You’re not even a troll Jose, you’re just an idiot. Not even a useful one.
“But what about the jesus freaks in Rwanda?” – Jose
Just like every moonbat. When you’ve been exposed – call your adversaries racist, deflect with another bogus lie – all to cover a speedy escape back to the moonbat cave.
Until the next idiot bell.
Pavlov couldn’t a thunk it up better.
irwin daisy “…all to cover a speedy escape back to the moonbat cave.”
It’s like arguing with a badly written comic book from the 30s.
You’re not being argued with Jose. You’re being insulted. Told off. Berated even. Go back to the moonbat cave and SOAK YOUR HEAD.
Jeez, no wonder the NDP is dead last every election.
Well, perhaps, Stan Lee couldn’t a thunk it up better?
It’s pointless trying to teach Jose and his ilk anything by using logic. He’s a lefty and thinks with his emotions, logic has no place in his world.
He has no cognitive dissonance because holding two logically opposite opinions is normal with him.
His hatred of George Bush is such that he willfully blinds himself to the monsterous acts of Bush’s enemies.
He curses George for imaginative or wildly exaggerated acts against gays or minorities or women yet ignores the plain hard fact that Bush’s enemies that he sympathises with are rapists and murderers, and completely intolerant of anyone who doesn’t believe as they do.
He doesn’t see that the silence of the so called moderate muslims is ipso facto assent, or evidence that they in fact don’t exist.
Only an emotional child of the nanny state could hold such wildly inconsistent views.
He’s too much of a child to recognise that this isn’t a game or some college dorm bull session.
It’s doubtfull he will ever grow up.
Grown ups look at the facts and form an opinion, Jose has an opinion and blinds himself to any facts that don’t support it and uses his imagination to create ‘facts’ that support his hate driven views.
Or maybe he’s just stupid?
A gruesome reminder of the violence being committed by Jihadis in Thailand.
This is coming from an Atheist; please all of you “Islam and Christianity are the same” types tell me where in the New Testament people are commanded to engage in such barbaric acts. These victims are “infidels” who were on the receiving end of the Jihad. They were EXPLICITLY targeted.
WARNING, very graphic images of violence and death. Do not click on the link if you are squeamish:
http://www.zombietime.com/thai_jihad_photos/
Go have a look, Jose. If you think your little brain can stand the truth.
Tell me why the MSM virtually ignores the violence in Southern Thailand?
Yawn. Same old,same old.BTW Jose,SLM,etc. Come on over.The muzzies are gonna love ya,just before they b**tf**k you and cut of your head. Man.I thought the full moon was a week ago.
“I’d also appreciate some substantive evidence for you informing us that ‘the right’ ‘secretly admire Islamic terrorists for their brutality’. Could you provide us, please, with the evidence?
Thanks.”
The evidence is Mark Steyn’s own writings, which I have read, and obviously, you have not. Or if you have, then your reading comprehension skills are somewhat lacking.
Mark dislikes gays. That much is obvious. Every put down from him involves imasculinating the object of his diresion. If he isn’t homophobic, than he plays it up to pander to homphobic people, who make up a significant portion of his customer base. He dislikes abortion, gay rights, what he refers to as “cultural decadence” and publicly funded healthcare. Why does he not like them? Because they eliminate our “civilization will”. He has no actual evidence for this. He just assumes it to be true.
Now, if you look at what he dislikes about the west, it is the very things that Islamic fundamentalists dislike about the west: multiculturalism, womens rights, gay rights, cosmopolitanism, etc.
Now, if you read blogs like LGF, you’ll observe that when talking about “moonbats”, they constantly refer to Muslims chopping off the moonbats heads. Why only the moonbats? Aren’t they afraid that Muslims are going to come and kill them too? Wouldn’t a Muslim be more likely to kill a manly, masculine right-winged soldier, who values his civilization, than a useful idiot lefitst ally? Of course they would.
But it’s not meant to be logical. It’s fantasy for right-wingers. The struggle isn’t against Islam. It’s against people within their own country’s who’s politics they disagree with: gays, feminists, other minorities, civil libertarians. That’s why you love Islamic terrorists: they take care of leftists in their own countries better than you can. You hate the welfare state. You hate multiculturalism. But they deal with it more effectively. I bet you all secretly wish an Islamic terrorist would cut off my head right now. But you know what? None of you will ever have the guts to do that yourself. Ever.
“Oh- and your conclusion about Mark Steyn – that he’d be happy as a convert to Islam – is similar in tone and substance (ie, no substance) and is the same specious nonsense as your other opinions. You see, Steyn values individual responsibility and reason – and both are rejected by Islam. I suggest you read Steyn a bit more. And also, read the Koran.”
Please refer me to where the Koran rejects individual rights and explain how that is distinct from Christianity.
“The muzzies are gonna love ya,just before they b**tf**k you and cut of your head.”
I love it! Sexual fascination with Muslims, and head chopping all in one blow!
I love this site. I am curious, what sort of careers do you people haveÉ Are you professionally employedÉ Corporate lawyersÉ JournalistsÉ It would be interesting to do a study of what kind of people hold the beliefs you do. It is kind of a therapy group for angry losers with no where to go… then again, who am I to talk, rightÉ
Perhaps they’ve already done the former…
The careers thread was done earlier in the year. I think maybe one person admitted to being a journo; why you hold it up as something of esteem is beyond me, but as you say, who are you to talk.
No, SLM, you stupid zit, the majority of readers here are engineers – http://www.smalldeadanimals.com/archives/006355.html – though most of us don’t comment most of the time because we come here for the quality information, not to refute parasites like you, and besides, we’ve got work to do, unlike angry losers like you.
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We run the world, honey.
Sucks when you plant both your feet in your face at the same time, doesn’t it sweetie-pie?
It’s clear that SLM is an idiot. His/her meanderings, full of vacuous assertions and fractured logic, as well as plain lies (the analysis of Mark Steyn and conservatives, like me, is ludicrous)–not to mention the spelling errors–would merit a mark of F. (Try emasculating, derision, moonbats’ heads, countries, and whose. But you still get F.)
That a person with such delusions would proudly strut his/her stuff also displays a serious lack of self-analysis, proportion, and self-respect: this person constantly makes a fool of him/herself in front of all of us, all the while imagining that he/she has something worthwhile to say.
Clearly, this self-proclaimed emperor/empress has no clothes. Pathetic.
P.S. I do not love Islamic terrorists. (But I do love Mark Steyn.)
“What’s this alliance between “left leaning groups” and fundamentalist Islam”
Read your history. There has always been loose knit alliances between terrorist organizations and the ‘left’.
Japanese Red Army, Shining Path, Baader Mienhoff, FARC in Colombia, the IRA in Ireland, Italian factions and Islamists have shared funding, training, weapons, communications and sometimes,ideologies over the last 40 years.
And fellow travelers of the left (hint: Jose and DThomas) completely buy the whinning and bleating of victimhood and oppression. The truth is that they are comprised of immoral thugs, occasionally driven by ideology, but mostly by power and money.
The moral equivelency drawn by the left is not just repugnant and reprehensible – it’s dangerous
You don’t understand Mark Steyn, at least not if you make the statement that…
“Mark dislikes gays. That much is obvious.”
No, don’t bother answering.
You just don’t get what his writing is about.
In fact, I honestly believe your stringing a line of bull when you write:
“The evidence is Mark Steyn’s own writings, which I have read,…”. What, you read his stuff for 60 seconds, if that?
Go b.s. somewhere else.
quuran inconsistant?
so is the bible folks !!
at least muslims dont have *umpteen versions* of their holy book!!!
de bybull ish da wordofgawd.
uhuh. ummm, which version dear fundamentalist?
Hey, quick, SLMC, find a quote from Steyn’s writings, chop it up so that it is taken completely out of context, and throw it up here at SDA.
Come on, high school!
“Clearly, this self-proclaimed emperor/empress has no clothes.”
I am an Emperor? I didn’t realize. And I’m naked?
“There has always been loose knit alliances between terrorist organizations and the ‘left’.”
HAHAHAHA!!! “loose knit”. As in, so loosely knit, that you have no proof. Genius, pure genius.
Tell me, can anyone explain how western civilization will fall? What kind of society will replace it? Will we all have to become Muslims?
Will you people stop feeding the trolls. They don’t learn and never will. They do know better already.
Rwanda? That’s all you’ve got? You’re not ”
?
‘all’?
thats ‘all’??????
800,000 dead africans and you brush it off with an ‘thats all’????
spin spin spin ……
loathing – you are being illogical. I asked you to provide evidence that the ‘right’ “secretly admires Islamic terrorists for their brutality”.
Your answer was empty. Absolutely empty.
You stated that Mark Steyn ‘dislikes gays’. And that a ‘significant portion of his customer base is homophobic’.
Now – you are, yet again, stating something without any evidence.
Provide proof that a ‘significant portion of his customer base is homophobic’.
And then – what does this have to do with any ‘admiration for Islamic terrorist’s brutality???
Then, you stated that he was against abortion. So? What does that have to do with an ‘admiration for Islamic terrorist’s brutality’???
And against publicy funded health care. So? What does that have to do with an ‘admiration for Islamic terrorists’ brutality’? Sheesh.
Then – you move into the serious logical error of false analogy, where you say that since Steyn is against multiculturalism, women’s rights, gay rights and cosmopolitanism’ (you need proof of all of this – and your slipping in these terms without definition of exactly what Steyn critiques in any of these – means that your use of them is INVALID)…
Your error is to say that because Steyn is against these things (prove it – and define your terms first)..and the Islamic fascists are also against these things – THEN- Steyn=Islamic fascist.
That’s a basic error in logic. Called a false analogy. Check it out.
AND – what does this have to do with providing proof that Steyn ‘secretly admires Islamic terrorists for their brutality’? Well???
Please provide proof that an Islamic fascist would prefer to behead a ‘manly rightist soldier’ than a ‘leftist ally’. Just because you state this as your opinion – isn’t proof. It’s meaningless.
Now wait – now you are saying that ‘you love Islamists because they take care of leftists better than you can’. Hey – doesn’t this contradict your previous paragraph where you said that the terrorist would prefer to behead a rightist rather than a leftist? Are you being illogical yet again?
Do you seriously think that it takes GUTS to behehad someone? Are you an idiot? (answer – yes) Beheading someone with whom you disagree or ‘just because’ isn’t an act of bravery. It’s an act of supreme cowardice. Don’t you understand that? You are the one who esteems the ‘brutality of Islamic terrorism’. You think it takes GUTS to behead someone. You admire terrorists for that. But it’s an act of cowardice.
Islam is a communal ideology, rejecting reason and individual freedom and insisting on faith and revelation. I suggest you read the famous chapter on The Cow- which also shows how Islam is really a sociopolitical ideology, with its focus on the lack of individual identity, the ultimate source of truth as revealed from god, the authoritarianism of this ultimate source, the political structure – the militant ferocity of ‘slay them’. And also the one on Women – and the insistence on strict and obedient homogeneity of behaviour and belief.
As for Christianity – you must have heard of Abelard and his ‘dubitando’ (I doubt)- with its focus on his individual right to analyze and dissent. And the famous battle of Protestantism, which was actually a political battle to take back the original Right-To-Think from the church – a right that was in Christianity from the beginning (with the Fall from Purity – a fall that enabled individual consciousness). Certainly the Christian church – the church, not the religion – tried to reject individual freedom in the 4th c ad, with the fight between Arianism and Athanasianism. But although the church won- the battle was renewed and freedom of thought won..beginning in the 11th c.
The focus on reason, on individual consciousness and cognition, is not found in Islam.
And by the way – the majority of people on this site are professionals – everything from computer scientists, engineers, biologists, doctors, lawyers and so on. Therefore, your attempt to denigrate people here – is yet another empty trail.
Jose, Self-Loathing, Lore Weaver…
“Ya, because other religions don’t do this at all? I’m not giving a pass to Islam, I’m saying all religions are equally flawed.” (Lore weaver, 5:31PM). Really???
You guys can’t win the argument. The foundation of your premise is false. Surely you can see that, can you not?
Here’s a Mark Steyn quote for y’all that ought to make it clear:
“For those of us who aren’t professors of Islamic studies, the obvious course is to step back and try to work from first principles: What’s happening? Who’s doing it? The five-thousand-guys-named-Mo routine meets the ‘reasonable man’ test: it’s the first thing an averagely well-informed person who’s not a multiculti apologist notices – here’s the evening news and here comes another Mohammed.”
Come ahhhn… quit with that ‘equivalence’ shtick with Islam, you know, trying to conflate the modern manifestation of Islam with, well, ANY or EVERY other religion on Earth. You’re opening yourselves up to a lot of ridicule… but at least you’ve earned it.
I bet you all secretly wish an Islamic terrorist would cut off my head right now. But you know what? None of you will ever have the guts to do that yourself. Ever.
Wow. Nothing like a little melodrama when reason fails.
Cut off your head, no. Make a psych appointment for you, yes.
All leftist thought is based on half truths, lies and innuendo and a massive dollop of self loathing as so aptly demonstrated by our trolls tonite..
If you pay taxes, have a nice house and follow the ‘dream’, my friend, you are not a leftist, no matter how many Ché t-shirts you have in your closet.
If you are so inclined, i suggest you read up on the reformation as a start, in order to learn why the Christian west does not have the same problems as unreformed Islam..
I also have to laugh when i hear how enlightened Muslim civilization was ..seven centuries ago…
sorry, you don’t get a mulligan on this one, the world has moved on, and you would be hard pressed to find me an Islamist society today that could direct you how to use a toilet, let alone put a man on the moon..
Before i forget…how can i not mention (as a direct link between the left and the islamo-fascists..) this years infamous Cairo conference, and the attendance of such luminaries as Jeff Clark and the Toronto Peace Coalition..
What, you say? Lefties, allied with head chopping, women stoning, Jew baiters?
..but as they say, there you have it..all shite eventually finds the sewer..
From the time I attended a Christian church as a child, I was always taught to question because without asking questions you cannot learn.
I’ve never actuallly counted, but every Sunday we pray for peace of the soul and peace for the earth at least two dozen times.
If you enumerate all the best nations in the world, one where its people enjoy individual freedoms and understand that responsibility is part of the deal, the vast majority would be Judaeo/Christian.
Peace on earth. Good will toward men.
Which side did Arab nations fight for in WWI and WWII?
Presently there are 2 nations that aid in producing the most Terrorists and Opium and one of them is Afghanistan which is a 99% Muslim populated Country , the other -Pakistan- has exported Jihadists to Canada and the U.K. .
Christians didn’t exists prior to Christ’s
time on Earth so please stop linking ‘The Bible’
to the New Testament because i challenge any Muslim to to cite just one verse or order from Jesus to kill civilians on his behalf if they don’t accept his teachings .
Mohummad created a retro-active faith that hijacked many tenets from the Jews and Christians
that he pawned off as his own that Allah handed down to him only , he is cited in the Quran as giving the ‘People of the book’ ( jews and Christians) 3 choices for making Peace with islam , 1. accept Muhammad as the real prophet from God and only Allah as the true God for all and Submission (Islam) , 2. keep your faith but pay a tax while in a Caliphate State , 3. Be smited on the neck and killed as a ‘Enemy’ of Allah and ergo ‘At war’ and not a ‘Innocent Civilian’ given protection within Islam.
Now….please prove to me that those 3 conditions don’t exists in the Quran and that Muhammad didn’t take part in about 60 wars and killed many civilians including about 700 jewish villagers that he tricked into a Peace Agreement
while he built up his Army to raid the town and slaughter them all.
djinbc is right.
If they do comprehend, at a deeper level, what’s going on in world affairs at this point in time, but deny it, it sure would indicate there’s something a little weird about how their minds work (watch ’em copy-and-paste that one).
If they don’t fully understand current events, and what they mean for humanity (yeah, sure, I know, Bushitler-Cheney-Halliburton… zzzzz), then they must be pretty thick.
Either way, not much point in trying to reason with them. Hard to ignore them, sometimes.
Like that crappy Rwanda postulate somebody typed earlier; just too hard to ignore, I’m afraid. I remember watching the news each night in 1994. I recall hearing Romeo Dallaire’s cries for help from the U.N. before the killing started, and as the hacking was being carried out. It made me sick to watch as the world stood by and did boom-all for those 800,000 human beings. But I knew, no question, that ANY military force would have been met with a bunch of peevish carping from the left… of which I was a long-standing member.
Rwanda was the catalyst that started moving me from the Left to the Right politically. So cut out the Rwanda argument.
Look at all these experts on Islam. I’ll bet you’ve all read it in the original Arabic too!
Let me put a question more directly: what is Islam’s goal, vis-a-vis western civilization? Are they going to convert us all to Islam? If so, how will they accomplish this? What institutions or organizations will undertake this? How will they overcome the military of the west? How will they subvert democracy, and the hundreds of years of traditions in Europe (where they are 5% of the population) and North America – where they are less?
Are all Muslims terrorists? Do they all want Jihad? Do none of them want democracy?
Or are they all out to kill us and rape our women?
Afghanistan has been growing poppies for centuries.
Pakistan’s involvement in the Taliban goes back to the Iranian hostage crisis.
Then US president Jimmy Carter contacted a small group within Paskistan’s ISI, their internal security force, and recruited what is now know as the mujahadeen to fight communists in Afghanistan.
One of the fighters in Afghanistan was named Osama bin Laden.
So, when people say the US created Al Quaeda, they’re right.
When the Afghan campaign was over, the fighters were given save haven in Kosovo, which led to the Balkan Wars.
As you may recall, then president Clinton was so grateful to the mujahadeen proxy army than he bombed Serbia at the same time US planes were dropping supplies to the jihadists.
Just two months ago (or was it one month ago) now US president George Bush visited Kosovo and promised the country its own government.
Not that the Kosovars, who had been living there for hundreds of years longer than the mujahadeen, had a burning desire for independence, mind you.
But that’s just the kind of guys the US are.
Don’t get me wrong.
Iraq was all about putting the heat on Iran, surrounding it with budding democracies (look on a map).
But, what a terrible mess there is to unravel in the meantime.
“Are all Muslims terrorists? Do they all want Jihad? Do none of them want democracy?” (SLMC, 11:47PM)
No.
No.
A great many do.
What the hell do you think Iraq’s about?
Big oil, as in enriching Exxon, Conoco-Phillips, etc…? Or could it be about who DOESN’T control Iraq’s oil (yep, Saddam Hussein… got it in one).
You don’t believe it? Tough darts. See my comments about Rwanda above. The ‘Iraq war for big oil’ bit is one hackneyed argument. You can’t have it both ways, you know, “Muslims want democracy” and “U.S. imperialists are responsible for up to 2 million Iraqi deaths… oops, that was the blockade from ’91 to March ’03… 600,000 Iraqi deaths up to March 2006” (must be 1 million by now, eh?).
Muslim fundamentalists, as opposed to plain old ordinary run-of-the-mill mental cases, are responsible for, oh, 80% of the killing in Iraq, and Baathists yearning for the good ol’ days are responsible for the remainder.
Or do you think if Al Queda stopped the murder this very minute, those God-fearing Christian American soldiers would feel compelled to pick up the slack, and start an Iraqi bloodbath of their own?
Do you see just how tortured your argument gets?
The Self-Loathing Multiculturalist
Here is one European article that does link the Left with enabling Muslim, describes the raping of western women and other Muslim violence the against their hosts.
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/2278
@The Self-Loathing Multiculturalist at September 4, 2007 11:47 PM: “Let me put a question more directly: what is Islam’s goal, vis-a-vis western civilization?”
Ok kool aid drinker, just 2 minor facts:
From http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/metro/5084314.html
‘Muslim charity trial may shed new light on terror aid’
“One of the documents is a memo about the goals for the U.S. organization of the U.S. faction of the Muslim Brotherhood, whose members included some of the Holy Land leaders now on trial.”
“The memo’s writer, Mohamed Akram, wrote that members of the Brotherhood “must understand that their work in America is a kind of grand Jihad in eliminating and destroying the Western civilization from within.”
Islam is Not a Religion of Pacifists
Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, 1942
“Islam’s jihad is a struggle against idolatry, sexual deviation, plunder, repression, and cruelty. The war waged by [non-Islamic] conquerors, however, aims at promoting lust and animal pleasures. They care not if whole countries are wiped out and many families left homeless. But those who study jihad will understand why Islam wants to conquer the whole world. All the countries conquered by Islam or to be conquered in the future will be marked for everlasting salvation. For they shall live under [God’s law]. …”
“Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless. Islam says: Kill all the unbelievers just as they would kill you all! Does that mean that Muslim should sit back until they are devoured by [the unbelievers]? Islam says: Kill the [the non-Muslims], put them to the sword and scatter [their armies]. Does this mean sitting back until [non-Muslims] overcome us? Islam says: Kill in the service of Allah those who may want to kill you! Does this mean that we should surrender [to the enemy]? Islam says: Whatever good there is exists thanks to the sword and in the shadow of the sword! People cannot be made obedient except with the sword! The sword is the key to paradise, which can be opened only for holy warriors!”
@ TSLM: “Are they going to convert us all to Islam? If so, how will they accomplish this?”
No, you convert, submit, pay jiyza, or they intend to kill you, thats all.
Oh, and take a look at Israel’s good neighbors. Would you like that bunch Hamas, Hezbollah over here? Give it some time, they are working on that real hard, especially in Windsor. A few missiles any one?
@ TSLM: “What institutions or organizations will undertake this?”
Islam will with the help of PC / dhimmis like you.
@ TSLM: “How will they overcome the military of the west?”
They won’t. The west has taken a likng to dhimmitude and surrender. You lefties are the bunch loathing the miliary anyway. The military and police will be too busy chasing self exploding carbon life forms anyway. You know, War at home.
Oh, and remember all that Political Correctness? (PC). Infiltration (immigration) will continue until we ‘westerners’ are washed out (population explosion) if we aren’t careful and power will shift Islam’s way, given time.
@ TSLM: “How will they subvert democracy, and the hundreds of years of traditions in Europe (where they are 5% of the population) and North America – where they are less?”
Because the 5% won’t stay at 5%. Familiar with trends & math?, like birth rates etc?. Political power in numbers and all that stuff?
The Netherlands & others are practically begging to turn back time because of the stranglehold Muslims have on their country. Perhaps you should read more or turn on the TV and do some honest evaluation.
And so, remember Khomeini: “Those who know nothing of Islam pretend that Islam counsels against war. Those [who say this] are witless”
Does that help a bit, witless?
By the way, you claim to have read Mark Steyn. So, are the demographics he refers to regarding Western Europe correct?
5%? And by 2050 it will be, what?
Some time ago I read a rebuttal to Steyn’s claim that Malmo, Sweden was 40% Muslim. The person doing said rebutting stated that he had lived in Malmo up until recently, and there is NO WAY that Malmo’s Muslim population was any larger than 25%.
Huh? Only 25%? Well, do they believe in Western democratic values, property rights, and the rule of law? Or does a narrow minority of Malmo Muslims take on the patina of a certain other narrow minority I’m sure you’re familiar with (think Berlin, 1933). That’ll be the group with the clubs and Molotov cocktails, and eventually all the power in their communities.
Most residents of Hamburg weren’t Nazis. But 40,000 people died in Hamburg in a single night anyway.
“Does that help a bit, witless?”
Yes, that helps.
Let me see if I understand, the quotes of a couple of Muslim groups that a tiny fraction of the Islamic community follows, are going to take over Windsor and lob missiles at us.
There will be no integration, no intermarriage, and no cultural assimilation because of our weakness. Are you sure that this will be the case? You know, having sex and getting drunk is way more fun than sitting in a mosque.
Also, the only solution you proposed was to stop immigration. Do you have any other solutions? How do you feel about ethnic cleansing? Should we kill the Muslims that are already here?
Please advise.
“Or do you think if Al Queda stopped the murder this very minute, those God-fearing Christian American soldiers would feel compelled to pick up the slack, and start an Iraqi bloodbath of their own?
Do you see just how tortured your argument gets?”
Of course the Iraq War has nothing to do with oil. If Iraq’s major export was cabbages, the US would have still invaded.
Self-Loathing, Hitler was a tiny fraction of the community…and then what?
Yes, stop immigration, start education and proper assimilation. Otherwise go back to the sh*tholes they came from, obviously better you know.
Only Islamists want ethnic cleansing (especially of the Joozz) and all that killing, in case you haven’t read up on it.
This is all way over your head obviously.
Sounder out.
If cabbages were fetching $70 a bushel, and were controlled by a despotic prick, with a proclivity to invade his neighbours, nestled in amongst the most neurotic bunch of dictators sitting on top of the biggest cabbage patches in the world, you bet they would have.
Do you think Canada’s next? Using your logic, we will be.
And don’t answer with “Northwest Passage”.
“Do you think Canada’s next? Using your logic, we will be.”
Why would we need to? They’re getting it for cheap.
Remember, the US getting access to oil isn’t a big deal. But controling the supply gives them significant clout over China, Russia and Europe.
But wait, it’s all about democracy and the weapons of mass destruction.
Yep, sure are robbing Canada of its oil, those nasty Yanks.
That’s why Alberta’s swimming in cash.
“Self-Loathing, Hitler was a tiny fraction of the community…and then what?”
Actually, Hitler was the extreme end of a fairly right-wing faction in Germany. He was a good orator, but tactically less clever. His rise to power was the result of a complex list of economic and political causes, which are not paralled in the present day. Your analogy is to Hitler is incorrect.
“Yes, stop immigration, start education and proper assimilation. Otherwise go back to the sh*tholes they came from, obviously better you know.”
And how do we assimilate? Should we ban the practicing of Islam? Should we ban headscarves?
“Only Islamists want ethnic cleansing (especially of the Joozz) and all that killing, in case you haven’t read up on it.”
I wouldn’t worry too much about that. Israel is the only nuclear power in the middle east. They have the uncritical support of the US. Some of their nuclear weapons are actually in Turkey, which means if the Iranians were to attack them, then they would be attacking a NATO country. Israel cannot be defeated militarily.
“This is all way over your head obviously.”
I’m trying to follow you, but your arguments are simplistic, misinformed, and generally seem to consist of angry rhetoric and name calling. You are welcome to keep trying if you like, but perhaps you may want to familiarize yourself with some actual history so you can better qualify yourself on the opinions you state.
You’re getting harpooned right, left, and centre.
It’s because of your jaded old belief system in general, and your anti-Americanism in particular.
You can’t win, and it’s because of that basic belief system. Like that ‘They’re getting it (oil) for cheap” bit.
Man, that’s nuts.
“Yep, sure are robbing Canada of its oil, those nasty Yanks.
That’s why Alberta’s swimming in cash.”
For better historical context on the War in Iraq, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the work of George Kennan, one of the early architects of post-WW2 policy for the US. Kennan, and others, referred to the Middle East as one of the great material prizes in history. It is the largest petroleum deposit in the world (and it is easier to refine than in Alberta). It has been recognized that oil would be a “tool for blackmail”, if in the hands of others. That is one of the major reasons that the US went into Iraq.
There has been some speculation, in light of the recent Sunday Times article, that another motive for the attack on Iraq was to provide a secure air corridor for an attack on Iran. With Afghanistan and Iraq under US control, they can launch air strikes with impunity. Personally, I don’t think the Americans are that insane. Their military is too overstretched for that kind of action. The Israelis could do it, but it would lead to heavy reprisals from Hezbollah, which I don’t think they woud want.
“It’s because of your jaded old belief system in general, and your anti-Americanism in particular.”
What belief system? I haven’t articulated a belief. I have expressed opinions, which one can accept or reject. I don’t subscribe to the materialist view of history, or to the Islamo-demographic narrative of the right.
The article here:
http://3w.worldpress.org/Mideast/663.cfm
is about a report done in 2002 by arabs about arab society. It is scathing in its assessment and for me, one point sticks out more than all of the others:
“…the report found that the total number of books translated into Arabic yearly is no more than 330, or one-fifth of those translated in a small country like Greece.
Indeed, the total number of books translated into Arabic during the 1,000 years since the age of Caliph Al-Ma’moun [a ninth-century Arab ruler who was a patron of cultural interaction between Arab, Persian, and Greek scholars—WPR] to this day is less than those translated in Spain in one year.”
Only 330 books per year. I bet that more books are translated into latin – a supposedly dead language – every year than that.
If I was a very rich man intent on improving the welfare of as many people as possible – Bill Gates, Warren Buffet and George Soros (he has money and says he wants to do good…) come to mind – I would start up a translation project to up that number by tenfold or more and post the translations on the internet. They books of all types, novels (Crime and Punishment), economics (anything by Milton Friedman) , history (Stephen Ambrose does good work) etc. as they all liberate the mind in one way or another.
Knowledge is power and currently those who are literate only in Arabic are as powerless as newborn babies…
Hell, maybe the CIA could do the translating – it would probably be more useful than a lot of the billions they spend on other things.
Perhaps Kate, you could get this blog translated into arabic – imagine how the Islamo-fascists would respond to that?
To The Self-Loathing Multiculturalist, a word of advice: Give it up. You can’t win this argument, for the simple reason that SDA loyalists are always right about everything. They know more than you do about every issue, and hold the solutions to every pressing problem facing Western society. That these solutions are routinely ignored not only by the general public but also by the Conservative Party leadership is readily explainable by the fact that the country’s entire mainstream media industry, judiciary, and public education systems are controlled by liberal elites who, in collusion with the queer, feminist, and ethnic lobbies, have successfully brainwashed the public with their progressive leftist ideologies. It’s really quite obvious and self-evident, once you decide to open your eyes to the Truth.