It’s instructive to watch our allies in Afghanistan.
While support for Canadian troops seems to be hardening within Canada, the UK is adrift. Anti-war protests are once again bringing out thousands while the UK military itself bickers. Adding insult to injury Blair eloquently supports his soldiers with words while slashing military budgets.
Poland offers more troops while the Taliban warn Poland to stay out… and Poland’s fragile coalition government squabbles the whole time.
Keeping track of the Afghan conflict: MediaRight.ca
… also see “The War on Schools” and “Lollipop Jack”
cross posted @ Celestial Junk
Remember, this is Canada’s first ‘real military mission’ since the Korean War, for the Pearson era of peacekeeping moved the Canadian military into the control of the UN, who are primarily involved in keeping the peace between nations; and the Trudeau era of indifference to the rest of the world decimated the military and moved its actions to the back row of any interaction. Therefore, this Canadian involvement is both unnerving for the old guard socialist utopians in Canada but it’s a source of pride to the rest of Canada – that we are finally moving out of the safety of our backyard (protected by the US) and maturing to participate in world events.
The British military doesn’t have such a history of effective disappearance as a military – and much of the anti-war in Britain might be due to the ongoing violence in Iraq – with which Canada is not involved.
The Muslims have to stand up and do something about the insurgents. Where is Saudi Arabia, the origin of Bin Laden, in this fight? The Saudi Royal Family has one agenda, keeping their power, and that means, disabling the people and preventing democracy. They don’t want democracy in the ME. Same with Iran; the religious theocracy doesn’t want the people to have power.
So, it’s not simply a material war, it’s an ideological war. We all have to wake up and reject ‘dhimmitude’.
The Brits are suffering from the Iraq backlash.
The poles have good troops and are generally supportive. I am sure they’ll live up to their obligations.
The Germans are the biggest disappointment. At some point they will need to live up to NATO obligations…but perhaps that comes from a constitutional change.
We have obligations for 2 and a bit more years. Fuflfill them and then I think we have done our job at the front line.
Speaking of the Brits, check this one out folks.
http://www.rantburg .com/poparticle.php?ID=166706&D=2006-09-23&SO=&HC=1
I think the Brits are just exhausted. That, a growing Muslim minority, an influx of unemployed illegals from Eastern Europe, and bombings, (after they thought that was all over, post-IRA), have only served to make them more socially effete.
A couple bombings in Canada would possibly result in a Taliban Jack majority government…..there is no homogeneity of purpose in an aimless ‘multi-culti’ society.
Taliban Jack Layton and Cut’nRun Rae, the commissars from the White Flag/Feathers Party of Canada, received advance notice of this move a week ago, according to anonymous sources in France. …-
Al Qaeda Members Moving To Middle East
CBS ^ | Sept 24, 2006
Al Qaeda has scaled down its leadership structure in Afghanistan and is poised to shift its main decision making to somewhere in the Middle East, possibly Iraq, senior Arab officials have revealed to CBS News, as speculation continues over the fate of al Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707380/posts
AP, aka Assoc. Press, the left/socialist tribune deploys the following words: “right-wing”; “notorious anti-Syrian former warlord”;”Some 800,000 Hezbollah supporters cheered Nasrallah at the gathering.” AP is not biased.
So? 5,500,556 Nazis heiled Adolf at Nuremberg for 13 hours at a “rally” in 1937. Only 13,666 survived WW II. Adolf succumbed/suicided in a bunker in Berlin; Nasrallah’s bunker will be Nasrallah’s suicide bunker. …-
Thousands of Christians rally in Lebanon | September 24th, 2006
BEIRUT, Lebanon (AP) — Tens of thousands of right-wing Christians turned out at a tumultuous rally north of Beirut Sunday led by a notorious anti-Syrian former warlord, in a show of strength two days after a massive gathering by the rival Muslim Shiite Hezbollah.
The rally, which underscored the continued divisions in Lebanon dating back to the 1975-90 civil war, followed an annual mass to commemorate Christian militiamen killed during the bloody sectarian conflict.
Samir Geagea, the former leader of a Christian militia who was only released from prison last year after serving more than a decade on multiple counts of murder dating to the war, backs the Western-leaning government of Prime Minister Fuad Saniora.
He was expected to respond in his speech to Hezbollah leader Sheik Hassan Nasrallah’s vow, made at a rally Friday in Beirut’s southern suburbs, not to disarm despite international pressure. Some 800,000 Hezbollah supporters cheered Nasrallah at the gathering. …-
jack’s newswatch
IIRC, most of NATO, other than us, the Brits and the Americans, use short term conscripts as the bulk of their military manpower. When your soldiers are not volunteers, I imagine that the possibility of conscripts coming home in body bags is even worse than dealing with Taliban Jack.
ISTR that Somalia was the first time that Germany even sent armed soldiers on a peacekeeping mission. Which is not that much of a surprise, considering what happened the last time before that.
Britain suffers from the same Euroweenie syndrome that the rest of Europe does. The EU is becoming a more important sphere of influence to them over time. It’s distinct culture is eroding. Gone are the folks that held fast on principle during WWII. Now part of the EU, entrenched in socialism with more state enforced adherence to the multi-culti garbage than the US, having the worst of rabidly leftist media, Britain isn’t what it used to be. Just contrast them to the Australians.
The French, Dutch and most of Scandinavia are goners, in my opinion. The UK’s’s fate, I’m not so sure about anymore. Sorry to be so pessimistic, but, with Iran’s bomb soon to be right in their neighborhood, I don’t see any sign of Europe trying to save itself.
Stephen Harper’s Government has brought back my faith in Canadians…when we have direction and real leadership from above, the people get a real sense of clarity when it comes to important issues. Seeing Karzai speak in parliament, Harper speak at the UN, and the Big Red Ralley brought pride to my heart. God Bless Canada. We rise to the occasion when we’re needed. We just need someone to challenge us to do it.
By the way, speaking of Taliban Jack and his insistence that the Canadian military move out of Afghanistan and into the Sudan instead, doesn’t he realize that the Sudan conflict was originally funded, and guided by Bin Laden’s Al Qaeda group, just as it is in Afghanistan?
The Sudan govt invited Bin Laden in there in 1990, during their existent war between the arab Islamic north and the black Christian south, to set up a Pure Islam state, with the revolution of world control, the ‘ummah’, centred in the Sudan. Bin Laden’s construction empire built their airports and roads, and he funded agricultural production and factories. The Saudi Arabia Bin Laden company of his father, provided him with that kind of money. And it was in the Sudan, that Bin Laden turned from having his Al Qaeda just an organization to get the Russians out of Afghanistan, into an organization against the US. In the former, communism was seen as a threat to the world domination of Islam; with the latter, it’s democracy that is a threat to the world domination of Islam.
I also think that this Islamic rejection of democracy is a basic reason why Palestine is not a state at this time. Yes, Israel has prevented its mov’t towards statehood with their rejection of the very idea of a Palestinian People, and their occupation and settlement of the Palestinian lands. But, I think that if the Arab Islamic states had wanted an arab democracy in their midst, then, they would have ensured that there would be negotiation rather than terrorism in Palestine – and a Palestinian state. But, radical Islam, as in Saudi Arabia and Iran and Egypt rejects democracy. Iraq was a dictatorship.
The key remains – democracy and somehow, the Islamic people have to realize that they can’t continue to buy modernity while remaining intellectually and morally primitive. They have to themselves, modernize.
Concerning Sudan: The government there has rejected the notion of our troops going there. If Canada were to get involved, as Jack wants, we would be invading Sudan.
Now, with the new Islamic hotbed of Somalia just close by… and all the rest of the North African and Middle Eastern Islamic hords close by… what do you think the chances of Canada being involved in another shooting war like Afghanistan would be.
You see, Jack is so full of it… he is a liar and phony… our troops would be involved in shooting in Sudan ASAP… just like in Afghanistan… and he knows it.
I am all for entering the Darfur region… but people need to understand that it would involve an actual invasion, against the wishes of Sudan, and would likely spark an influx of jihadists from all over the Muslim world… Afghanistan all over again.
So Jack… you still game?
“A couple of bombings in Canada would possibly result in a Taliban Jack majority government.”
Nemo2,
I would believe the opposite. If something like that happened here or the States, that would be a horrific day for Muslims in North America and the end of Taliban Jack’s party of appeasers.
Read Haroon Sidiqui on the Pope in the star today. It is so full of factual error and outright lies it’s unbelievable. Islam doesn’t have appologists, it has liars.
To end this ridiculous argument, what could be more unreasonable and irrational than any human being calling a proven mass-murderer (Battle of the Trench) and pedophile (Aysha), their holy prophet?
ET,
Layton was on CTV news today, denying that he said that he wanted Canada out of Afghanistan. Rather he said the headlines misquoted him. “What Canadians want” he said, is for us to leave the war in the south and take up peace-keeping and rebuilding missions in other regions.
A hypocrite and liar. All this after seeing what Canadians actually want during the Karzai visit and the rally on the hill.
blair aint the only one slashing mil. budgets.
dubya did it hot on the heels of 9/11, cutting the FBI counterterrism budget, and salaries to military enlisted personnel, and pensions for vetrans and drug and medical benefits to military enlisted personnel.
gotta pay fer all dem fancypants new fangled halliburton provided materiels somehow….
Abdi Gashan said: “We welcome the Islamic courts.”
What are these Islamic courts? Which law do Islamic courts apply/enforce?
Sharia courts apply/enforce Islamic law: Submit to Mohammed Allah, or die.
Taliban Jack and Cut’n Run Rae applaud/support these courts. …-
Somalia’s Islamists Seize Seaport
Las Vegas Sun ^ | September 24, 2006 | Nasteex Dahir Farah, AP
KISMAYO, Somalia (AP) – Hundreds of Islamic militiamen in heavily armed trucks took over the southern town of Kismayo, one of the last seaports that had been outside their control in Somalia, witnesses said Sunday. “The Islamic courts have entered Kismayo,” said resident Abdi Gashan, adding that the warlords who previously ruled the area had fled. “We welcome the Islamic courts.” …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1707483/posts
irwin daisy- you know what consistently angers me with Taliban Jack and his ilk, is their arrogant presumptious assertion that they speak for all Canadians. How dare he say – ‘What Canadians want’…? How dare he claim that he speaks for anyone other than himself?
It’s the incredible arrogance, the insufferable denial of voice to other people, that is so deeply insulting.
Of course he’s now trying to cover his tracks; he’s now seen that Sea of Red on Parliament Hill that shows how Canadians support the troops. He’s read the various columns sneering at him; he can only remain safe in his Socialist Cave for a short time.
Layton’s comments were purely political; he’s trying desperately to stop the loss of interest and votes in the NDP. After all, the NDP has now separated itself from the unions – that’s been its major identification since its inception. He’s after the big city latte crowd and Quebec, both of whom are isolationist and socialist, but, they might be going Liberal – and Layton is trying to stop that.
Besides, Layton is an idiot. You can’t do rebuilding a school when a terrorist will blow it up the next day. He is also a coward; how dare he expect soldiers of other countries to be on the front lines while he insists that Canadian soldiers are only allowed, not to act as military, but to carry out building roads, stores (and shovelling snow?).
Is that the Canadian Way? Is our military just used to shovel snow?
irwin daisy- with regard to Haroon Siddiqui – he’s an ignorant buffoon. Yet, he is allowed to pontificate his ignorance several times a week in the Toronto Star.
I’ve previously written him, pointing out both factual and logical errors. He writes back a typical socialist tactic that I’ve ‘misunderstood him’. When I reply that I haven’t misunderstood, and point to his exact words, and ask how he can substantiate his claims, both empirically and logically – he never replies.
He can’t substantiate a thing he says, but, he’s part of the ‘conciliate the Muslims’ approach of multiculturalism. I never read him anymore; I don’t have the desire to read utter nonsense.
Irwin Daisy: I hope you’re correct, but I just have a feeling that many in this country would initially blame Harper/Bush and then fold if a terror attack occurred.
I’d like to be wrong.
ET,
Agreed.
I’ve also written Haroon. I just couldn’t get through the gibberish grammar and bad spelling in his reply.
I decided not to write him again.
The ‘Editor Emeritus’ must have a very patient editor.
Nemo2,
I think Quebec would. But that wouldn’t change anything.
On another point, showing Taliban Jack’s, and the Liberal and Bloc ignorance of Al Qaeda, is their insistence on ‘negotiation’.
A pure Islamic jihad doctrine rejects negotiation. That’s politics; that’s decision-making by human beings. But, societies aren’t supposed to be ruled by the decisions of men; they must be ruled by the word of god. So, negotiation, and all decision-making tactics of men, ie the democratic legacy, which includes a constitution, rule of law, man-made law, parliament etc are forbidden in a pure Islamic state. They are actually considered a ‘takfir’ or polluted philosophy!
So, negotiations – is a joke. You don’t negotiate with a group whose self-definition is that they, as humans, cannot define the laws and political structure of a society, for those laws and political structure are already defined, by god…and are outlined in the koran. Period.
A Soldier’s Poem to Jack Layton
Ole Jack Layton ~ Thoughts From A Soldier
Dear Jack Layton,
You sit there in your quiet home
No fear is in your heart,
You sleep soundly certain that
It won’t be blown apart.
Your children they can go to school
And play out in the park,
They’ve never seen a bomb explode
Heard air raids in the dark.
They’ve never seen dead bodies
Piled up on the street,
Your wife, she won’t be beaten
Treated like a piece of meat
You are free to form opinions
Read any news print you can see,
You enjoy your rights and privileges
In this country wide and free.
The reason you can live like that
Is because I fight your wars
I fight and push the enemy back
I keep them off our shores.
I am here and you are there
Pretending you know best.
Well Ole Jack now listen close
While I get this off my chest.
You have the right to criticize
You have the right to complain
You don’t have the right to drag me down
In a stupid political game
The thing about your rights Ole Jack
The part you can’t comprehend
Is you work in the very system
The democracy I defend
I stand on fences around the world
Protecting those that need it
It is not for you too determine Jack
Whether or not it’s worth it.
Ask the people in Afghanistan
If they want me to stay,
Women and children depend on me
You say just walk away.
I don’t need your changing policy
Trying hard to not lose face
What I need is you behind me
Helping protect this place.
You know its hard to do this
When I Think I’m all alone.
I hear stories of young punks
Pissing on memorial stones.
I read the papers over hear
And they tell me what is said.
Canadians are losing faith
I can’t get it through my head.
You say that it is hopeless
It really brings me down
Don’t tell my mother we’re losing
Spread that rumour around.
I’m doing good, were winning here
But no-one will believe
Because we are way over here
Where no one there can see.
Women here can work you see
Children starting school.
We built a working government
We’ve broken Taliban rule.
We are so close to winning this
It’s not too far away
History will show that we
Were in the right to stay.
When that brilliant day arrives
Victory you’ll claim is ours
You’ll forget you said to run away
Forget you are a coward
On that day just thank me
For my courage and my trouble
Find another place that needs help
And send me on the double.
——————————————————————————–
written by Josh Forbes
Calgary Alberta Canada
Good to get some feedback from soldiers re: Harper’s speech on Friday, and the thousands who gathered to give support.(CTV)The soldiers are what it was all about…hope it is enough to counter the mess from the NDP policy statement of a few weeks back!
Taliban Jack’s White Flag/Feather Party has surrendered to the Taliban. …-
SOLDIERS IN OUR STREETS!
I was shocked today by a NDP blogger that suggested the rally held in Ottawa on Friday to support our troops in Afghanistan was proof that the warnings were true.
You’re probably wondering what warnings? The lower than low Liberal election attack ad that suggested the Conservatives would put soldiers in the streets of Canadian Cities. Confused yet? Don’t be, because you’re about to become less confused and more disgusted. …- national newswatch
http://www.nationalnewswatch.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=790&Itemid=41
From where I stand, the whole picture seems to be darkening quickly.
Blair is trying, but it is shocking that well educated Britians are so unable to grasp the true urgency of this bad movie.
Another Churchill is needed now! Someone who can paint a clear picture for all Britons.
= TG
Taliban Jack Layton’s White Flag/Feather Party, Kofi Annan’s UN Party: Arms Dealers to the Taliban. …-
Afghan officers arrested for smuggling weapons | September 24th, 2006
KABUL: Several Afghan officers were detained for trafficking weapons and ammunition to Taliban militants, a local newspaper reported.
“The National Security Directorate arrested some Afghan military personnel in Charasiab district of the central Kabul province 28 days ago when they were trafficking arms and ammunition to Taliban rebels in the neighboring Logar province,” Arman-e-Millie said.
The traffickers were carrying 150 boxes of Kalashnikov rounds and other arms by a truck, which was marked with UN emblem and escorted by a military Ranger vehicle.
[…]
o Note: When I served In Cyprus I often wondered why Turkish sentries at their checkpoints often insisted on searching UN vehicles. Each time they did that it created a diplomatic incident. Well, now I know what was on their minds. ..-
jack’s newswatch
Schmuck,
I don*t know if you intentionally meant to mislead us . . .
**
libs cut and run……
kinda like the folk hero ronnie regan did in lebanon when the marine barracks was bombed and 100s killed? **
Posted by: t. schmuck esq. at September 24, 2006 04:07 PM
President Reagan did order a hit on Hezbollah to avenge the death of 241 bombed marines in 1983.
It was Secretary Wineberger who cancelled that order, not Reagan.
Wineberger, Reagan*s lifelong friend was forgiven, but he should have been placed in front of a firing squad.
Pulling of that punch was repeated often through 8 years of Clinton*s stint in office.
Every pulled punch by the US and Europe added to Hezbollah, Taliban and Al Qaeda bravado and so today they gain an avalanch of followers.
Now with Iran, backed by Putin and China and with Pakistan signing with Al Qaeda and the Taliban not to mention Central and south American backers like Hugo Chavez and there is also 440 million Muslims in Indonesia, we seem to have a problem.
Add to that the uninformed Canadian, British, American and Euro leftists like Taliban Jack, calling for troop pullout, and the problem seems ominous indeed. = TG
I can talk of the UK.
During the 2003 demos across the world, my (elder) sister went to an anti-war demo. She told me “It was just like the anti-war demos in the 60s”
I pointed out to her two things:
1. This is not Vietnam and this enemy is not a communist national liberation movement.
2. Didn’t what happened in Vietnam, after the communists took over, teach you anything? Remember the boat peiople? The re-education camps?
I am now affectionately known as the fascist brother. There is just no reality for hippies. But opur wiley enemy knows how to play them.
ET, you are almost there, but not quite.
Yes, the Saudi royal familly want to maintain power. BUT, they also want to spread islam throughout the world. The only conflict between Ahmadinajad, bin Laden, Hamas, Nasrallah and the Royal Saudis is who controls the global islamic empire – which is funded by oil money.
Nemo2, you have the Brits wrong there. Wait and see.
EY Concerning “Sadikki”, there was a(n) (dis)honour killing here in Ottawa last week, a “Sadikki” familly affair apparently. Are they related or is this just coincidence?
That’s where you and I will have to disagree, wimply canadian. I’m not convinced that the Saudi support for a Wahhabi Islamism is anything other than a tactic to prevent Islamic mullahs from claiming the corruption of the Royal Family requires a revolution. That is, the extreme repression that is existent in SA is a tactic of reducing dissent and making the people submissive.
It’s Al Qaeda and al Jidah that have morphed into an imperialist evangelical agenda. So far, they have been primarily capable only of fomenting widespread slaughter and poverty. Remember, this has been going on for over 25 years and it has changed from its local origins in Egypt and Saudi Arabia, moved onto Afghanistan against the Soviet Union, and expanded into the Sudan, Somalia, Algeria and a 1996 declaration of war against the US and an agenda of world domination.
Can it last? It’s like a vicious and violent disease; does it have the ground base, the ‘food’ to continue to exist as this disease? Is the ‘host’ capable of fighting back and rejecting it? And remember, that our ‘immune system’ is compromised by our own socialist leftists, who also reject reason, logic, facts, individualism – and instead, promote emotionalism, fiction and social engineering by an authoritarian gov’t.
I agree with penny at 2:38 about the Brits. I would add that a large part of the problem is that the Brits still suffer from a class system.
They never developed a dominate middle class, really only America has and probably Australia. A lesson for Canada is that it needs to grow up and replace its chattering political class with a strong investor class. Until we do that we’ll be too reliant upon the luck of the draw on leaders – we’re lucky at present with Harper.
Britain got lucky having Thatcher who tried to pull the them out of their utopian ways but the BBC multiculti, moral relativists have dragged them right back to where Thatcher took over.
The free world owes a lot to the Brits; I wish they’d save themselves.