Sept.14 – Toronto Star identifies the person responsible as Kimveer Gill, a Columbine copycat. Via Bourque, a link to his page at Vampirefreaks.com. That page may not last long, (in case someone is motivated to save the source code and photos.)
(Sept.13 entry continues below)
Reports are coming in on multiple shootings at Dawson College in Montreal.
From radio, much of it unconfirmed: multiple wounded, including a police officer, and multiple armed suspects are still in the building. Hundreds of students have been successfully evacuated, but many others are still in the building.
CKOM has the live feed. (click the “listen live” link)
CTV has an early report.
Updates:
There are as many as four armed assailants and they’re thought to be still in the building. Phone networks are overloaded – (my guess is that you should refrain from calling friends or family in Montreal at the moment).
Shots are still being fired, and a number of students have barricaded themselves inside the building. Police have reported one suspect has been “neutralized”.
Now reporting two are down – one by police, another may have committed suicide. One student is believed to be dead, others have been taken to Montreal General.
A witness has described one of the gunmen as dressed in black, with a cape and black boots. Other reports of another in fatigues, but it’s uncertain whether that may have been a member of law enforcement.
CBC is reporting 4 dead, 16 injured. Needless to say, there are a lot of conflicting reports flying around at the moment.
Unbelievable – CBC’s Don Newman just asked BQ leader Gilles Duceppe if he thought there was a “political reason” behind the shootings. This before the scene is secured, the number of assailants confirmed or their identities known.
Do these people go out of their way to look like idiots or does it just come naturally?
Just in from a police briefing: 10 injuries, from minor to severe. No deaths confirmed. They are searching the building door to door, and most have been evacuated.
From the comments:
Posted by: bryceman at September 13, 2006 03:36 PM “Well, from the claims of the building being just about cleared, it would seem that they think it is almost over. But, I was just downstairs in my building and they are presently sealing up access to the metro. Doesn’t look like they think it’s over.”
Newer reports put critically injured at 8.
Via news conference: One gunman, who was killed by police, all the victims are alive, though 6 are in critical condition.
Unless something new breaks, this will conclude the updates here.
Its funny they can’t give a description whether he was white or muslim, whether all women were shot, the weapon used, like whats the point of a news conference?
How can they not know if they were all women that were shot?
loosers, this happened 5 hours ago.
“Actually they had Layton on from some downtown street somewhere.Smiled and blamed it on guns coming from the states.”
Yes. The root cause of any evil happening anywhere in Canada is ALWAYS the Great Satan, The United States.
Next up, Jack Layton blames the US inspired Dewey Decimal System for illiteracy amongst Canada’s Northern youth.
That Don Newman is a natural alright!
Thanks Jonesey for clearing that up. I just get so pissed when a tragedy such as this is literally in progress and all the MSM can do is look for reason for it, based on their particular political bent. The CBC, with Layton, I can understand because I would expect nothing less from them, but FOX I would hope would at least wait until the shooting stopped before making a comment.
I emailed a friend at work when this first started. She responded “What are we raising?”
I didn’t know whether she was referring to the gunman or the media.
Gotta go take a shower. This is disgusting!
http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2006/09/who-was-gamil-gharbi.html
before the inevitable deluge of leftwing lunacy about guns, let’s look back at another incident, coincidentally also in montreal.
Layton will of course blame all problems in Canada on the US. He ignores that it is Canadians who purchase and use the guns. In Canada. He also ignores what Canada ships to the US, in the form of terrorists and drugs.
TV is the wrong medium for factual information. TV is a visual medium; its images are not factual but as amorphous as the visual field and therefore, are filled in by interpretation and emotionThe TV reporting on this event is terrible; we have endless hapless news people milking emotions and asking students – ‘but what did you FEEL?’ And endless hapless students trying to comply with these requests (I felt scared). And we have no hard facts.
But, soon we’ll see all the blame shifted to the US, the feds, Harper, Bush or whatever. It’s never, ever, the fault of Canadians. Or the gun registry.
Let’s not assume that all 19 yo’s run;
However, people that put their own safety above all else will run, regardless of their age. People that are taught to be passive will run. People that tell themselves that “it’s not my problem” will run. Those that feel no duty to help thair fellow man will run. Those that have been taught to irrationally fear guns will run.
And maybe many good prople would run, maybe I would run; but if I did, I would be ashamed of my (in)actions forever: I would feel that way now, and at 19, which was not all that long ago.
bryanr and all:
The police have issued statements (which you probably all know by now). The essence is that as many as 20 were injured…the police are deferring to the hospitals to confirm numbers. I am hearing of 6 badly injured (shots to the thighs, abdomen, and head). The hospital officials are no elaborating…but they are saying that his weapon was not an especially powerful one.
The stories I am getting are that the police are fairly confident that there was only one shooter. But, they are not 100% sure that they are only after one person (there may be one or more participants – possibly armed – who got away from the scene). I am not sure what they are basing this on.
That is the reason that the metro accesses were sealed off. They didn’t want any potential “persons of interest” to be able to blend into the crowd and get away on the subway.
T. I know that, but that was the response of a 19 yr old. Again, will the policeman be charged. I certainly hope not, but in the recent past we have had several RCMP officers charged for using unnecessary force causing death of criminals. During the Columbine investigation they questioned many students who skipped school that day. Will they do that in Montreal. With the complete chaos in Montreal, people running all directions, some thinking it was a paintball gun, others a joke, what would happen if a real terrorist attack happened there. How prepared
is montreal or toronto. My guess, not very, as they are all such loving friendly people no one would hurt them. Just ask Jackal.
To add to what neo and ET above have said; before the gun lunatics worried about duck hunters and inanimate objects project this into a “societal” problem, shouldn’t someone ask the question: “Why are so many people *in Montreal* wreaking havoc on schools?”
Thanks bryceman, even my local radio is giving conflicting news on this terrible event. My niece goes to school down there, thats why my main concern appr. it
bryanr
What a sad day for Canadians, my thoughts and prayers go out to the injured and their families.
It’s hard to believe what could motivate someone to such an inhumane act.
The inevitable political spin, while inevitable, has started already. Anyone trying to use this tradegy for political gain should be seriously chastised.
Layton is an idiot. I’ll predict that the gun used (if it’s only one) was either legally purchased, or stolen within this country and it was an SKS.
No amout of legislation can stop this kind of insanity.
My girlfriend was going through there 5 minutes before the shooting. Scary.
It’s a total zoo in the area, Concordia University is roped off to as they’d been sending students there.
It sounds like they were just kids begrudged by the conservative overlords or something stupid like that. Looked like goths or street-punks.
Still, Montreal is one of the safest metropolitain areas in the world as far as this sort of thing goes… the homicide rate is tremendously, tremendously low.
Alas.
Kelly: did you just seriously chastise people for the inevitable political spin and then go and make a political comment about this event showing the gun registry and any gun legislation being useless? Did you pause for a while in mid-comment and forget what you had written at the beginning of your own comment?
Just askin’.
Boy. This is terrible. I suggest we ALL wait to see what the investigation turns up before we jump to conclusions. People posting here suggesting the gunman was Arab are just as bad as the media speculation (let us please remember what happened in Oklahoma when everyone thought it was Arab terrorists when in fact it was some right-wing wing-nut who decided to blow up a building and kill so many people). I do not think mass-murder has a race, gender or political party. This is a time for all Canadian to grieve together, regardless of political affiliation.
From the press conference according to CBC:
Police said the motive is unknown.
“There is no racist connotation or no terrorist link as far as we know,” Delorme said.
http://canadiancerberus.blogspot.com/2006/09/shootings-in-montreal-update-1-dead.html
Ted
Cerberus
canadiancerberus.blogspot.com
Listening to New940 via Internet. An eyewitness, a young woman with the last name Fernandez, just told a harrowing story live on the air.
A girl was lying wounded on the floor, and another guy asked the gunman if he could take her outside to get help. The gunman asked “is she dead?” The man said no. The gunman then shot her two more times, and said, “she’s dead now.” Sounds like this is a real, real sicko.
The eyewitness did not describe the shooter. Another eyewitness confirmed the trenchcoat-and-mohawk description, though.
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I said I thought anyone using this tradegy for political gain “should be chastised”. Layton is just first out of the blocks and probably not the last (from either camp)
I never mentioned the registry or my thoughts on it. Read into my comments what you will.
I only said, I believe he is wrong in his prediction, made my own, and lastly stated what I believe is obvious.
If you want to get really ill go to the G&M and read the comments. The first several blame gun control,then Bush gets blamed. One has to scan about 30 before any sympathy is expressed. I forgot, there was one saying we should be vegetarians so there would be no need for hunters. Whats with those TO people.
If there is anything political in this whole mess it is the politics of insanity.
That said Kelly,it won’t stop the usual crowd.
Hug your kids tonight.
I would be quite happy to refrain from making comments until the facts are known, too bad Jack! wasn’t.
If you want to see an agenda at work please look at the new poll on the CTV website. Keep in mind that the facts they are suggesting are not known yet but they have already drawn their own conclusion, see for yourself.
I do not think mass-murder has a race, gender or political party.
Maybe not organized as such today in Montreal or Oklahoma City, but, it sure had one on 9/11, at Beslan, at Madrid, at London, at Bali, at the Moscow theater, and presently in Darfur and globally pretty consistently everywhere with Islamic terrorists…..
Also, Gayle, there was no widespread speculation at the time of the Oklahoma City bombing that it was the work of Islamic terrorists. It was a little too early, pre-9/11, for that.
Given that almost on a daily basis that the murder and mayhem is Islamic jihadis at play – they gruesomely killed 60+ innocent civilians in Iraq today – it isn’t that off of the wall to suspect the Usual Suspects anymore whenever murder and mayham happens.
Actually, ther WAS widespread speculation the bomber was Arab, as this occurred not long after the first attmpted bombing of the WTC.
And it is funny how mass murder has no race when we speak of Montreal, or Oklahoma, but now it does….
How convenient for you.
Personally, I will wait for the facts.
ud513
You know it! My son just got home from school (grade 11). No one had heard about this as yet at his school (BC). We have been looking at possible schools for him down the road and helping him plan for his future studies.
I won’t be doing any research tonight.
The police were closing part of the Metro because the school building is connected to it by pedestrian tunnels. I hear the search for other suspects is now complete. Only one shooter, apparently, now dead.
Live blogging from:
“segac’s world i know”
13.9.06
1:40 PM
Shooting at Dawson
I was driving home from a trip to the Fine Arts Museum and saw massive commotion downtown near Alexis-Nihon Plaza and Dawson College. Dozens of police cars, thousands of people on the streets, sirens everywhere. I couldn’t for the life of me imagine what happened, so I turned on the radio. …-
http://www.paulding.net/bin/url.cgi/13404.18
(via Daimnation! via Blogging Tories)
Radio Canada in Montreal has reported that one female in her 20s died just before 6 pm.
Bruce I do hope that is not true. Such a thing is too sad for words.
All people should wait and see what the criminal investigaters come up with. Anyone going on a shooting rampage is in a sick state of mind for whatever reason, in this case criminally so. Newsmedia persons should know better than to speculate but they just can’t help getting a headstart on the old spin.
It does go to prove however, that if a wacko wants a gun he can get one, registry and rules will not stop them.
The Irony of it all
As the media always trying to brain wash with and says “American Style” and Quebec is so pacafistic against violence.
Well well this headline comes to be
[quote]American style crime in Canada’s most Pacafistic Province[/quote]
Dan Matheson was just on Newsnet interviewing a police expert just a little while ago. The last question he asked his guest was a biased one trying to get the expert to admit that long guns are responsible for much of the carnage we see in gun crime and whether or not he saw the Gun Registry as a good preventative tool (paraphrased). Well thankfully the guest didn’t take the bait and instead lauded the measures that the Conservative government is going to implement when it comes to crime and gun crime.
Unfortunately, it is true. Two dead including the gunman.
Just heard the CTV commentator introduce Michelle Dyck, student at the U of S, who tells us that the “reassuring aspect” of this is that it “was not a selected group that was shot at”. Good grief! Who could possible consider that the “upside”? People are people. So if some men are shot at, that makes it more palatable for feminists? Would it be better, too, if the elderly and children were included in the shooting to make it more egalitarian?
We don’t know for sure what type of gun was used (an eyewitness said it was a “machine gun” but that could mean a machine gun, an assault rifle, or a regular semi-automatic rifle with a big clip). But regardless of a lack of information and ignoring the strong possibility that this gun was already of a banned type, the BLOCheads are already calling for a reinstatement of the Long Gun Registry. Why don’t think think before speaking, instead of quickly seeking a few cheap political points at the expense of the blood of Canadian students?
To the hive mentality maggot colony socialists, the group is always most important.
Especially if it’s one of their pet groups.
Individuals are just meaningless specks in the groupthink world and the CTV/CBC and CP questions and spin are pure illustrations of the contempt that they hold for everyone and everything that does nor conform to their world view.
I guess being in the group “Students Minding their own Business” isn’t good enough for the CTV dipshit doing the interview.
Of all the dumb inane brainless questions: the prize goes to Kevin Neuman of Global National. To the Mayor of Montreal – do you think the police were a little hasty in going in and confronting the gunman??????
I guess if Kevin were making the decision he would give the shooter all the time he needed to finish his work without let or hinderance.
How can you reinstate what hasn’t yet been removed? Only the collection of fees and an amnesty for those who have not yet registered has happened, the registration still exists.
I don’t get why they had to be registered in the first place – the FAC licence was just as comprehensive and it was required in order to purchase a gun. I’m guessing the government thought this would be a cash cow (along with political points) and it turned into a stinking cesspool.
I agree with Liz, all this speculation is just that until there’s more concrete info from the police investigation.
Maz, thanks for posting the link to my blog… I’ll try to keep up on the story as best I can.
I thought when i saw Duceppe he said this shows the gun registry DOES NOT work.I might be mistaken although i’m pretty sure as i was surprised when he said it.
cbc listener posted this at Stephen Taylor. I think it makes sense.
“Get ready for much more of the same. There is a critical mass of unsocialized human automatons out there, living in virtual reality at their computer terminals, who think a little bit of mayhem might be just the thing. Their emotions aren’t engaged. They’re amoral, so what’s right or wrong doesn’t come into the equation. (Using public roadways for personal drag racing, which is maiming and killing too many innocent victims, is part of the same phenomenon.) Yes, Walrus, the right thing to do is weep. This is just the beginning.
“Thank God the Conservatives are at the helm right now.
“For the dead, ‘Rest eternal . . . ‘ For the injured and all the loved ones of those attacked, my sincere sympathy , thoughts, and prayers.”
Ditto from me.
Michelle Dyck, student at the U of S, who tells us that the “reassuring aspect” of this is that it “was not a selected group that was shot at”
Yes. It makes us all feel much safer when violence is random and senseless. Ya know, that feeling of control.
By the time I finish off the 40 ounces of Gibsons Finest I’ve got in front of me tonight I’m pretty sure I’ll think of something deep enough to warrant a sound byte on CTV.
Or maybe I’ll just puke.
Manbridge interviewed a male student, along with a girl with blue hair. His response to questions were so prepared, and he used great theatrics. However, I am reminded of all the mis reporting of deaths and murders in N.0., that I will wait for all the details. One report said it was all over in 5 minutes, so logic says it was an assault rifle, and the policeman killed him. So, what is it, a 25 yr old in army fatigues or a 25 yr old in black coat and face mask, or a white man as one person said. Were there others that got away. And, why can’t we learn his race. The fact they refuse to identify him, other than he was born in Quebec and lived in Montreal and is dead, they should know his racial origin. That would stop a lot of speculation-home grown terrorist lunatic or just plain lunatic. With so many injured and possibly dying, how can one say no specific group was targeted. A specific group was targeted-STUDENTS. One girl said they were outside having a smoke, when the shooting started. Can’t wait for the antismokers to say, see smoking is dangerous to your health, or others saying outside smoking is dangerous and we need indoor safe smoking sites, like injection sites. The bluehaired girl said the goths would survive this and their friends support them as they have been thru this before.
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2006/09/clueless.html
Mrs Instapundit has something interesting to say about a topic which she is definitely an expert on.
How much taxpayers money was stolen under the watchfull eyes of the Lieberals?
$40 million?
Or, if you include the Registry’s cost, fifty times $40 million?
Can’t see any meaningfull results.Can you?
CTV asked loaded question in web poll. Gets shot.
Those poor kids and their families. And my daughter wondered why, yesterday, when she was an hour late getting home from school & had forgotten her cell, I was freaking.
My heartfelt condolences to the victims and their families, as well as the witnesses. This nightmare will not go softly into the night, but will live with them forever.
I agree with posters who complain about politicians and the media making cheap political points out of this incident. Any politician who attempts to score points out of tragedy, whether it be a shooting spree at a school in Montreal, or the tragic death of an innocent teenaged girl on Boxing Day, is disgusting. Apparently this type of political ploy is fair game for all political parties. Shame…
Looks like Kimveer Gill, the apparent shooter is this case has been hanging out in some particularly hard core Goth and Vampire websites.
Do a google search for Kimveer.
I’ve cross posted this at LGF.
“Do these people [i.e., Don Newman and his ilk] go out of their way to look like idiots or does it just come naturally?”
It’s both – masterfully blended in a sort of holistic and synergistic coming-together of muddled thinking and witless addlepation.