Overheard on CBC radio news just now – a World Report “news” item on the suicides of three inmates of Gitmo, complete with editorial comment from Dwight Smith that the suicides “spoil the brief moment of success” the US had with the death of al Zarqawi.
Smith made no attempt to explain just how the two incidents are related, much less how the self-inflicted demise of three hard core terrorists in a prison in Cuba dimish the achievement of bringing to an end the career of the world’s second-most wanted butcher.
Because, you know, he’s the CBC and you, lowly listener, should just know these things in your heart.
Update – there are a number of commentors who would do well to read this before continuing with their flawed arguments demanding that those who violate the rules of war have the “right” to protection under the Geneva conventions.
3 dead terrorists…….I guess the US people should thank them for saving the cost of a trial and internment. I hope they(the terrorists) are enjoying their virgins……oh wait……suicide is a sin in Islam as well…….sorry……no virgins for you!
The Prophet Muhammad (SAW) also assigns suicide to the lower levels of Hell.
Allah says explicitly in the Quraan,
“And do not kill yourselves. Surely, Allah is Most Merciful to you”. (Surah An-Nisa Verse 29)
In another verse of the Quraan, Allah says:
“And do not throw yourselves in destruction”. (Surah Al-Baqarah Verse 195)
So no 72 raisins for these guys.
http://inter-islam.org/Prohibitions/suicide.html#As%20shown,%20neither%20the%20Judaic%20nor%20Christian%20parts
But, but… the CBC is objective, unlike those private broadcasters.
3 dead terrorists.
Too bad, so sad.
May the CBC be next . . . .
I have a suggestion: How about putting a hangman’s noose in each cell? It would save wear and tear on the sheets.
Already taken down.
BOB, CBC, RAE: Zarqawi’s Mirror in Canada.
Bob Rae, erstwhile failed Socialist/NDP premier of Ontario; is now a member of convenience of the Liberal Party of Canada.
Bob Rae, the failed premier of Ontario, now wants to be the leader of the failed Liberal Party of Canada.
Rae wants to be the Prime Minister of Canada.
Rae fits David Warren’s definition of a Muslim Islamist terrorist stooge.
Rae wants to get out/cut and run from Afghanistan.
“Cut-and-Run” Bob Rae, “Sponge-Bob” Rae agrees that “withdrawal” means “surrender”.
Rae is an ugly mirror reflection of the mirror of the U.S. left: Zarqawi’s mirror.
….
babble: Bob Rae wants us out of the Afghan war next year!
… believes Canadian combat troops should be pulled out of Afghanistan next [year, 2007] … So Bob Rae thinks next February [2007] would be a good time to shift gears away …
http://www.rabble.ca/babble/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=2&t=009033 – 54k – 9 Jun 2006 –
Zarqawi’s mirror: An ugly reflection of the U.S. left
Manchester Union Leader ^ | June 11, 2006 | Editorial
Posted on 06/11/2006 7:42:05 AM PDT by billorites
THE KILLING of al-Qaida in Iraq leader Abu Musab al-Zarqawi by U.S. forces last week was cause for rejoicing. A beast of unspeakable villainy who had slaughtered many Americans and Iraqis entirely in cold blood was brought to a deservedly unpeaceful end. Incredibly, many opponents of the current administration saw the event first and foremost as one to spin, criticize and deconstruct.
Zarqawi’s death does not mean the end of terrorism in Iraq. It does not mean America’s mission there is accomplished. The only one we’ve seen who has suggested that is John Kerry, not George W. Bush. But his killing means something.
For those waging war on us and the majority of Iraqis who want peace, the meaning is clear. There is no safe hiding place for self-proclaimed jihadi warrors. As long as he evaded us, Zarqawi was a symbol of American military ineffectiveness, as well as terrorist power. The terrorists look a lot weaker, and we a lot stronger, now.
More than a symbol, Zarqawi was an actual killer, too. He couldn’t handle a machine gun, but he could handle a knife, and he could lead delusioned young men. There is no telling how many American servicemen and women, as well as Iraqi civilians, died at the hands of men he led. That he is no longer with us is a fact worthy of celebration, no matter one’s views on the underlying justification for our being in Iraq.
Yet one left-wing commentator after another used the event merely to pound anti-Bush, often anti-American messages. In perusing dozens of left-wing reactions to the Zarqawi killing, we found only a handful of commentators expressing genuine happiness that this killer of Americans could slaughter no more of our brethren overseas. It was instead a chorus of “Haditha!” “Abu Ghraib!” “Karl Rove!” “Tax cuts for the wealthy!” and “This changes nothing!”
Some said nothing at all. A full day after the event, Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean had not issued a single statement.
The Democrats’ last Presidential nominee, John Kerry, proclaimed the military job in Iraq “done” and urged withdrawal. The minority leader of the U.S. House, who would be speaker of the House should Democrats take that chamber this fall, also used the occasion to urge withdrawal.
“Withdrawal,” of course, is another word for “surrender.” It means we don’t see the mission through, we simply get out, cut our losses, flee the fight. …
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647305/posts
How do we go from “detainees held without charge” to “hardcore terrorists”? Just wondering, ya know, what SDA may know that the rest of world does not……
They aren’t “detainess held without charge,” they’re boy scouts who were just standing there doin’ nothin’.
My heart bleeds for those boy scouts.
stageleft said: “Just wondering, ya know, what SDA may know that the rest of world does not……”
The ominous/evil face of multiculturalism is known to “SDA”.
Ian Robinson tells the world about the evil face of multiculturalism.
Seventeen faces of multiculturalism: 17 Muslim Islamist terrorists who wish to kill Canadians. …-
Ominous face of multiculturalism revealed
Calgary Sun ^ | 2006-06-11 | Ian Robinson
Posted on 06/11/2006 7:35:31 AM PDT by Clive
Back when Yugoslavia fell into genocidal civil war, I worked with a young Croatian kid.
He was built like a full-sized pickup, but he was a sensitive soul, a painter in his spare time.
And what his lifelong friends had become was torturing him.
He told me these Canadian-born kids, barely into their 20s, mocked him because he refused to join their secular jihad to the fragmented Yugoslavia, to fight for the culture their parents or grandparents left behind.
They called his manhood into question.
They went. He stayed. When they returned, some were unalterably changed. They drank more.
Lots more. When the bottle got down to the bottom couple of inches, they talked of atrocity. Not the atrocities they witnessed.
The atrocities they committed.
Nice, decent, polite Canadian boys, raised on hockey rinks, maple syrup, Don Cherry, O Canada, the Tim Hortons double-double and the liberal culture of acceptance had placed the reticule of a telescopic rifle sight on civilian women and pulled the trigger. They had shot indiscriminately into occupied houses and burned villages. They hinted at darker secrets, such as mass rape.
Even after listening to these tales of soul-killing horror, my young friend felt guilty for remaining behind.
At the time, an eastern paper published a feature in which one “soldier” recounted how his Yugoslavia-born mother wept and begged him not to go, saying this was not his war.
His reply was if she didn’t want him to feel such a strong connection to the old country, she should not have sent him to a cultural school several times a week, steeping him in the language, culture and, yes, resentments of the past.
Such is the ominous and hidden face of Canadian multiculturalism.
We confront it yet again today.
Only this time, 17 Canadian-born or Canadian-raised men and boys stand accused of plotting a terrorist attack on Canadian soil.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647303/posts
Right. They MUST have done SOMETHING.
I thought we were talking about Gitmo.
Maybe these individuals committed suicide BECAUSE one of their leaders was killed. So in effect, this was another victory for the US. Call it collateral damage…
So now, if we keep on killing their leaders, it will effectively demoralize the rest of the troops… and more jihadists will find their solace at the end of a bedsheet…
Bring on the 500 lb. bombs…
Just how small is a cockroach’s brain?
Thanks for answering the question already.
Stageleft,
I love hearing modern socialist defend their commrades. When I read about Canadian socialists of the past defending the socialist of their time, it reminds me that nothing ever really changes.
And if you want proof, look at the 1937 federal hansard, pages 1030 – 1040 for proof.
More left wing spin. Bottom line is the left wants the Western Democracies to fail in Iraq and Afganistan.
For reasons unknown to me, they want the Taliban back in power and a base formed for another attack on North America to be set up. With the money from Heroin, they’ll be able to do as well as the Arabs.
Yup, that’s the left-wing/cbc style, why bother trying to actually connect the dots, or do some real reporting when you can just smugly claim the truth to be self evident.
Reminds me of the kind of sleazy sales pitch a not so honest used car dealer would use too sell a piece of junk.
I say that is 3 less terrorists to worry about.
Pat the Taliban wiped out the poppy fields it was the US that hired the Northern allience, which is the main opium dealer, to help fight the Taliban. I guess the US economy needed some of that 3 trillion in drug sales to come to their Banks.
Nice to see that so many are in support of a totalitarian democracy, do as we do or die.
From the posts here I, as so many others, can see a group of people that have the same ideals as Mussolini’s “corporative” system.
Mussolini played up to his financial backers at first by transferring a number of industries from public to private ownership.
Who makes the money in time of war?
So much support for the war in Iraq because Saddam Gassed the gurds, with products he got from us.
The time is coming and the use of Chemical weapons on the women and children of Fallujah by the US will be accounted for.
The Media keeps so much of whats going on away from the people on this side of the ocean.
Gitmo residents are those folks that, if found in equivalent roles that landed them there from previous battle field situations (W.W.II) would have been summarily shot on site. Every remaining day of their lives is a gift from a civilization that they despise. I suspect most would be too risky to release and that there will be plenty of time to determine the ones that aren’t.
Thot “we” were talking, er reading about, Bob “Swede” Rae. Sponge-Bob Rae says endorses/ the Svedes call to shut Gitmo?
Boob Rae and “TEN THOUSAND SWEDES WENT INTO THE WEEDS, CHASED BY BUT ONE SKINNY NORWEGIAN,” …
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Sweden says suicides show need to close Guantanamo Bay prison camp
STOCKHOLM, Sweden (AP) – Sweden’s foreign minister said Sunday that the suicides of three detainees at Guantanamo Bay showed the importance of shutting down the U.S. prison camp and bringing detainees to trial or letting them go.
canoenews
What can the CBC be thinking? Those 3 Gitmo folks have just martyred themselves and are now in paradise.
Being in paradise is a good thing isn’t it CBC? That is to say, they have fulfilled their particular cultural dream, so why isn’t the CBC celebrating?
CBC algebra:
Israel = bad. Palestinian = good.
Liberal = good. Anything else = bad.
Quebec = good. Alberta = bad.
Canada = good. USA = bad.
Muslim = good. Christian = bad.
My algebra:
Privatization = good. CBC propaganda = bad.
Jealousy. Low self-esteem. Bitterness. This is what I believe may drive some leftists in their derision and scorn of the United States and all things American.
I have some of these feelings myself as I look upon the wealthy as they drive by in their big expensive cars and pull into their mansions. I gripe about their big cars polluting the atmosphere and they just don’t care. I would be happy if some catastrophe were to befall them and “put them in their place”, knock down those who are so “high and mighty”. I deride them for their blatant excesses.
Of course, these feelings flash by in a heartbeat and I realize that most likely worked incredibly hard to achieve that kind of success and I understand that if I had that kind of success, I would undoubtedly act the same way. I realize that this is just jealousy, bitterness and low self-esteem on my part and I denounce those feelings.
So I suspect the leftists/socialists look at the successful Americans dominating the world scene and they are jealous of their success and imagine they do all sorts of evil and wish for all sorts of evil to be visited on them to bring down the “high and mighty”. The difference is that the leftists/socialists lack that next bit of wisdom.
Therefore, I theorize that in their minds, American soldiers MUST be guilty of terrible things, their detainees MUST be victims of terrible injustices, it would be GOOD if the US gets its nose bloodied, etc.
Pity the poor, misguided leftist/socialists.
And yes, Todd, they MUST have done something. As even Steved has realized, it’s all about economics…why would the US take on the cost of detaining innocents?
Why do so many of us get so upset because one of the enemy , or three, dies, by whatever means?
Have canadians developed an overriding mother complex that causes them to feel psychic pain whenever someone dies?
Do you really care all that much, or is it just an ingrained habit, like Pavlov’s dogs?
An accused terrorist snuffs himself in a prison in US occupied Cuba. So what.
When I hear of one of the world’s many real trgaedies, of course I feel empathy for the victims of earthquakes, fires, floods, war, suicide bombers, etc. I donated to the Tsunami Relief fund, so the Tamils could buy better weapons.
But why waste your emotions on Gitmo? The inmates were not arrested for jaywalking, and our concept of presumed innocence is totally foreign to them. Shoot first and ask questions later is not an American concept.
Back home, in Allah’s Little Junction, they’d have been immediately killed by their own people for the least infraction of Sharia law.
Anyone who believes the world is somehow diminished by the death of a single human being, no matter how bad that human was, needs to grow up and take a good look around at the real world.
Now, instead of typing a reply to my obviously psychpathic rant, roll up a joint, put on the headphones, listen to Joni Mitchells “Woodstock”, and, hopefully, by the time you’re ready to get blogging again, I will have been struck by lightning, and the world will not be diminished one iota.
Did anyone else see the CBC reportage on the increase in Knife violence/ownership in the UK. They just couldn’t bring themselves to point out that they have effectively banned guns there and that this is the fallout from it.
Gitmo for Les on the national official time signal at CBC/Radio Gitmo: The time in Mecca is ,,,
GOLDSTEIN: Terror at the CBC
What would happen if our national broadcaster was ever taken over by … er … ‘militants’? …-
nealenews
Do they call for the closure of our prisons when someone decides to take themselves out of the gene pool? Make no mistake, this was a deliberate choice, done for maximum media negative attention, as has been all their other disruptions.
Three more nominees for Darwin awards.
A profile of the three:
One of the detainees was a mid- or high-level al-Qaida operative, Harris said, while another had been captured in Afghanistan and participated in a riot at a prison there. The third belonged to a splinter group.
Ironically, anyone of the three would strap on a suicide belt without hesitation and target innocent children in a different venue. Name anything beyond the pale for these folks? The orchestrated suicides of these Death Cult jihadis – and it’s always death in any form with these fanatics – isn’t surprising. It galvanizes the collaborating Useful Idiot left on their behalf.
Hey, neutralsam, the Taliban aren’t that drug trade adverse:
The Taliban, too, are promoting the growing as a source of income for their operations. They have spread leaflets ordering farmers to grow poppy.
In Helmand, the Taliban have forged an alliance with the drug smugglers, providing protection for drug convoys, and are carrying out attacks to keep the government away and the poppy flourishing, said the new governor of Helmand, Mohammad Daud.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/02/17/news/poppy.php
Read that article this morning maz2.
Great read.
http://www.torontosun.com/News/Columnists/Goldstein_Lorrie/2006/06/10/1625052.html
I agree, who cares? Likely they heard they were being shipped back home. Like I’ve said before, a prisoner, especially a Muslim one – the darling victim child of the LSM.
And Sweden would do well to focus on it’s own high suicide rate amongst it’s own Swedish population.
I admit I am of two minds on the operation of Gitmo.
On one hand we have the USA who trumpets individual rights and freedoms as sacred above all else.They then proceed to imprison and detain indefinitely SUSPECTED terrorists and their supporters without the inconvenient bother of trials.Oh sure,you can spin arguments to defend these actions,but it is still a dangerous and hypocritical (sub)standard to set.
On the other hand,these detainees,guilty or not,have been removed from an enviroment that probably would have seen many of them dead or maimed by now anyways.With the type of justice they could have faced in their homeland,they are indeed lucky the Americans haven’t dropped their collective heads,crammed in duffel bags,off at some street corner in Iraq years ago.
But then again,trying to find logic or discern right from wrong in the middle of a war is a fool’s game.
Just thinking out loud.I am aware these opinions are not particularly right or left biased and I attacked no one,nor am I trying to tell you what to think,so some here may not get my point! 🙂
I understand your thoughts on the subject, CO. Gitmo is an unpleasant reality but probably better than some of the alternatives for those folks…that is, being shot on sight. Presumably, they were “illegal combatants” or whatever that term is that is used in the rules of engagement. So, the term “suspected terrorists” probably doesn’t do them “justice”.
When you capture the enemy or an illegal combatant, what else do you do with them? Shoot them, imprison them or let them go with a stern warning (“don’t come back and shoot us now, ya’ hear…or we’ll be very put off”)? I’m certain if the roles were reversed and Americans had been captured, they would have been beheaded.
So, discomfort is a reasonable response to Gitmo, but take some solace that it is much better than many of the alternatives, in the grand scheme of things.
For centuries countries have agreed that combatants in uniform receive fair treatment by their captors. This in part was done to prevent spying and, er, um, militancy, which as others have pointed out used to end in execution.
Want to be treated well? Put on a uniform. Want to be a terrorist scumbag? Gitmo is what you get.
3 empty cells for extra Khadrs that CBCpravda usually stories like heros.
or maybe Guite?
Poor lefties: first the Christians (Mexico) beat their Jihadi friends the Iranians, 3-1.
Now another Christian country, Portugal, is going to stick it to their communist friends in Angola.
suicides are not taken lightly in most prisons. Prisons generally try to avoid them, because it brings into question the integrity of the prison. I can’t see how this is somehow a left wing biased view. News reports like this happen everytiem an inmate commits suicide, in my part of the world anyways.
I am sorry…I have to go along with an earlier poster on this. Those men should not be detained without being charged! It is a violation of human rights!!!
They should have been tried in court, and summarily SHOT months ago! Along with the entire management staff of the CBC!
CBC is altogether out of it: What else is new?
FYI, I’m sending along my latest note to the CBC Ombudsman–Ombudsstooge? Re the CBC’s political reporting (sic), one could write a dozen objections a day at least. Then multiply that by the 20+ years I’ve been keeping a wary eye on this propaganda machine . . .
“Dear Mr. Carlin
“Michael Colton’s report at 6: a.m. on the CBC radio news–I believe it was on Wednesday, June 7 or Thursday, June 8– about the concerns in Washington about Canadian/American border security was most disturbing. If the CBC really does have objective professional standards concerning REPORTING of the NEWS, this piece most definitely falls outside them.
“Mr. Colton’s piece, which was embedded in CBC’s NEWSCAST was not reporting: It was a full-blown, anti-American editorial. The intemperate language and obvious disdain for the American politicians, whom he presented as buffoons, had no place in a news report: E.g., At the top of the piece he described certain people as “popping up” and “saying the darndest things”. There were many other missteps, language-wise, which you may check out as you have a transcript. (I was lying in bed.)
“Canada’s a free country, so CBC has the right to propagandize–it’s actually very good at that. But propaganda should not be disguised as news. Mr. Colton’s report in question certainly crossed the line.
“Again, I submit this for the record. Regarding me and the CBC, something quite unlikely seems to be at play: Although I’m a reasonably intelligent person, with good powers of observation, CBC ALWAYS adjudicates against me. Although I’ve “won” a few Press Council cases in the last two decades, my CBC cases are always dismissed by the in-house judges. Interesting, isn’t it?
“Fair? I don’t think so.”
I gave up writing CBC for a long time: very negative feedback, always! But now I keep the objections coming: It at least means the CBC has to expend some of my tax $$ on my concerns. E.g., I’ve noticed I now hear from another CBC (CereBrally Challenged) sycophant, other than the ombudsman himself: They’ve obviously had to hire more staff to handle the complaints. (Too bad they’re as obtuse as the ombudsmans [men?] are: They’re obviouly reading from the same cheat sheet.)
The CBC Ombudsman’s email address is: Ombudsman@cbc.ca
Please inundate him with your objections. (Exercise caution if you have blood pressure conncerns: However, giving it to the CBC can be quite cathartic!) As I said, you’ll probably be overruled, no matter how cogent your case, but it does mean CBC will have to spend some of your tax $$ on your concerns.
Clicking on Kate’s link to the CBC and then to Dwight Smith, this is the message:
“The page cannot be found
The page you are looking for might have been removed, had its name changed, or is temporarily unavailable.”
So, what’s the CBC hiding? As I didn’t listen to World Report, because I was listening to “Choral Concert” and I’m really not interested in most CBC political commentary (it just raises my blood pressure), I’m relying on Kate’s post.
How, indeed, does the suicide of three Gitmo detainees change, even one iota, the U.S.’s “success” in the death of al Zarqawi? If anything, it’s more of a victory, even though it’s clear why most prisons would be concerned when their inmates take their own lives.
In this case, however, that THESE detainess tended to have suicide on their minds before being incarcerated and that they were more than a little fanatical, it’s not entirely surprising that they might have staged these multiple suicides as a “reprisal” for al Zarqawi’s death in order to embarrass the U.S.
So, go ahead, guys. Be my guest. Try to embarrass the U.S. And shame on the stupid CBC for playing into the terrorists’ delusions. In no way should the U.S. be embarrassed by these suicides.
In my view, these four deaths represent four terrorists the rest of us don’t have to worry about. I believe in human rights, in not being cruel to other human beings, but I also believe in common sense and in not extending unlimited compassion to a lethal and barbaric enemy. If these guys were determined to take their own lives as some kind of political statement, there’s probably not much the prison wardens could have done to prevent them from doing so. There’s only so much you can do when someone’s got it into their mind that they’re going to do away with themself.
Especially if they’re suicidal to begin with.
“Be wise as a serpent and gentle as a dove.”
“More left wing spin. Bottom line is the left wants the Western Democracies to fail in Iraq and Afganistan.”
I don’t think anything irritates me more than such non-sensical garbage pontificated by people wanting to prey upon potential ignorances of the general public in order to spread false propaganda. First of all, nothing in this world is black and white and certainly support for war is not. Perhaps you should stop treating the people’s intelligence with such contempt and end the insulting insinuations that we are all mere simpletons who only understand issues framed in such a logically falacious manner. There is never a simple answer and those who insist on spewing such rhetoric to the contrary are engaging in the dumbing down of politics and issues.
“Poor lefties: first the Christians (Mexico) beat their Jihadi friends the Iranians, 3-1.”
This is another example of what I mean.
Now first of all, I am going to get some facts on the record before you write your rebuttal which I am expecting to be filled with the same sort of rhetoric that destroys real political discourse in this country. I am a left-wing person and self-described progressive. I am not a pacifist though while I recognize the importance and sometimes the necessity of war, I also believe that it must be taken based upon rational thought and proper strategic considerations in addition to being compatible with the fundamental principles the people of your country as anything contrary to it would put the government in a clash with the minds of the rational intelligent human beings (which we all are capable of being although those, such as the ones who continue to spread the fallacious statements I quoted above, seem to want it otherwise as they realize that often their arguments would fall apart under the weight of rational argument and debate) that make up the country and define the principles. These principles, in the context of deciding war and peace, relate to the overall strategic goals, overall general interests, and desires of the people as they do their part in advancing the human race forward in civilization.
I was not for the war in Iraq but was for and continue to be strongly for the war in Afghanistan. My belief is that invading Iraq was not a strategically sound decision and one of the reasons for my belief in this is that because of Iraq, valuable US troops, equipment, and general overall focus was diverted from Afghanistan far too quickly setting back a success. There are still thousands of US troops in Afghanistan but finishing there would have made more sense I believe and I believe that had such a focus remained, we could be further along today than we actually are.
I have already stated by continuing support for the Afghanistan mission but now I’ll state something that will surprise those of you who were about to respond with simpleton rhetoric. Despite being against the invasion of Iraq I do not want the US to fail in Iraq. Just as we need, and quite frankly have no choice but to succeed in Afghanistan, the US (or the west in general) need to succeed in Iraq. Failure in Iraq would actually create a worse strategic environment than what existed prior to the invasion. Colin Powell gave the “pottery barn” analogy in regards to the invasion of Iraq and he was right. The US is stuck with it and has to succeed. Failure in Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be acceptable options.
Finally I want to say a few words about the “support our troops” rhetoric. I stated that fallacious reasoning irritated me to no end. “Support our troops” rhetoric has to rank up there as a very close rhetoric. There is a fundamental difference between supporting a mission and supporting the men and women fighting the mission. Not supporting one does not at all necessarily mean a person does not support the other. Being against the mission does not necessarily mean a person is also against the troops. Such arguments are patronizing and insulting at best and damaging to democratic political discourse at worst. One again it is the result of someone applying a simple illogical, fallacious model on an argument in order to prove a point. Rather than appealing to the patriotic sound bites and attemping to absolutely infuriate your opponents with such rhetoric let’s instead have a rational argument based upon fact and evidence rather than simplistic rhetoric and logical fallacies.
Has C*C reported this rally?
A German trade union alliance and the local Jewish community
allied to protest the fascist regime of Ahmajihad and the (not-mad) mullahs of Islam.
Has C*C reported the the anti-Israel, anti-Jewish, Muslim Islamist terrorist alliance of the Canadian Union of Public Employees (CUPE) with the murderous regimes in the Gaza Strip, aka Hamas, Fatah ,etc.
C*C is allied with Muslim Islamist terrorists, with the late Z-Man, the Gitmite Muslim Islamist terrorists, with Sponge-Bob Rae, Imam Aly Hindy, et al. …-
Rally against Iranian president ahead of first World Cup match
Posted by West Coast Conservative
On 06/11/2006 11:06:51 AM PDT · 3 replies · 80+ views
AFP ^ | June 11, 2006
Some 1,200 people joined a rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad ahead of a World Cup match .n this southern German city between Iran and Mexico. Waving Israeli flags, the demonstrators attacked Ahmadinejad’s anti-Israel rhetoric and repeated denial of the Holocaust at Sunday’s protest organized by the local Jewish community and the German trade union alliance. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647393/posts
The suicides ‘spoil’ the brief moment of success?!!! That’s hilarious!!! The suicides are icing on the cake, wish more muslim terrorists wanted to see Allah that much.
Maritime Liberal said: “…and desires of the people as they do their part in advancing the human race forward in civilization.”
Pure, unadulerated Communist/Socialist rhetoric; The “Great Leap Forward”, the march backward of socialism is presented by Mugabe in Zimbabwe.
The natural end of socialism: 80% unemployment; a life expectancy of only 39 years.
Advancing the human race forward to death by socialism. Sponge-Bob Rae espouses the march of Death also; it’s good for youse, scumbag, filthy Canadians , Rae says. Not. …-
In Zimbabwe, Reform Has Opened the Door to Ruin
Newhouse News ^ | 6/9/2006 | Daniel Pepper
Posted on 06/11/2006 10:15:44 AM PDT by Incorrigible
In Zimbabwe, Reform Has Opened the Door to Ruin
BY DANIEL PEPPER
ZHAMPALI, Zimbabwe — As soldiers rolled past Lot Dube’s land and set up camp in late November, they brought a blunt message.
“They told us, `We are taking away your fields from you,”‘ says Dube, who has farmed these 10 acres 80 miles south of Bulawayo, Zimbabwe’s second largest city, since 1982.
Dube, 63, said the soldiers now forbid him from growing tomatoes, onions and sweet potatoes — market vegetables he sells to raise cash for his children’s school fees — and ordered him to plant only maize. The entire harvest, he was told, must be sold to the Grain Marketing Board so the government can purchase foreign currency.
Landlocked in southern Africa, Zimbabwe is roiling toward anarchy, experts believe. As the world has watched the more immediate and more violent problems in the northern part of the continent, Zimbabwe has slid closer to what many believe will be an economic and humanitarian catastrophe.
The crisis may represent the final stand for 82-year-old Robert Mugabe, the controversial president who came to power in 1980 and has won every election since.
Having survived wars, historic drought and accusations of corruption, Mugabe now confronts perhaps his greatest challenge: annual inflation running near 1,000 percent. To understand that type of economic impact, consider: Some 8,000 miles away, in New Jersey, a $3 gallon of gasoline would cost $30 more next summer.
As pressure builds on Mugabe to leave a post he assumed after the reformation of the former Rhodesia, he is — perhaps predictably — strengthening his grip, opposing activists say.
He has ordered his military to fan out across several rural areas to ensure the government’s grain silos are full. In the cities, he has appointed military commanders to top slots at the Reserve Bank, the Electoral Commission, the Ministry of Energy, the Public Service Commission and other key institutions.
So far, political opposition groups say they have been unable to gain traction and organize mass demonstrations because Mugabe’s security officials have threatened to open fire on protesters. But experts warn that without a viable political alternative, the anger boiling over from rising prices, shortages of goods and services and abuses by government officials will result in widespread civil unrest.
“Militarization is an admission that things have fallen apart and national governance can no longer continue in a civilian mode,” says Jonathan Moyo, his country’s only independent member of Parliament.
Moyo warns of a possible “slide into anarchy” or “even a Somalia situation,” referring to the East African nation controlled by rival warlords.
Zimbabwe’s economy has shrunk in each of the past six years and has depended on international food aid since 2002, according to the United Nations’ World Food Program. Eighty percent of Zimbabweans are unemployed, food and fuel are scarcer than ever and the country now has one of the shortest life expectancy rates in the world — 39 years. …-
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647377/posts
Talk about ignoring the point of what I said to attempt to spin one part of one sentence into making a case that I am a socialist.
I see human beings as intelligent rational creatures designed to advance human civilization. By civilization I mean enhancing economic accomplishment, and most importantly, furthering science and above all technology in order to better the standard of living of the perfection of civilization through technology. To me advancing civilization means moving forward to live in a more technologically superior and above all, a more-science and mathematics based, and thus more rational and functional state of human society.
I am a strong anti-communist because I believe that free enterprise is vital and indeed desireble. We need to foster the growth of small and medium sized businesses, prevent monopolies, and ensure economic growth, technological development, enhanced productivity and efficiency, low inflation, and very low unemployment. How am I advocating the Zimbabwe model?
My post was on rational argument and a criticism of propaganda, fallacious reasoning, factless rhetoric, and manipulation. Thanks for proving my point.
More inanity at the CBC last night. ‘Caught Lorna Jackson and The World this Weekend, thinking there might be some commentary on the al Zarqawi hit.
‘Was assaulted by a lengthy expose of Britain’s soccer hooligans, with interviews of soccer fans horrified by their compatriots’ yobbism. Well, I know that the World Cup’s on in Munich, but do the drinking and after-hours behaviours of terrorizing British yobs take precedence over real terrorists intent on blowing up Canadians? In our streets. In Canada.
The CBC’s doing everything they can to avoid talking about the fanatical CANADIAN Islamist terrorists who would like to blow a bunch of us to smithereens. As unpleasant as the Brit yobs are, whose story might have been of some interest to us had it not been for our own, homegrown terrorist “troubles,” they’re not any kind of threat to life and limb as the Islamists in the GTA are.
And then, all week, we’ve been getting the CBC’s take, via Michael Colton, on the former CSIS operative’s dire predictions about infiltration of CSIS and the Canadian government by Islamists. You could hear his smirk and the leering, sneering, and jeering in his voice, as he put down the U.S. and their concerns about the security risk to their borders caused by the laxness of the past Liberal government.
CBC: Can’t Be Constructive. That’s for sure.
Maritime Lib.
I understand and agree with a fair amount of what you have to say. Simplistic blustering from both sides is pointless.
Personally as I beleive and you have pointed out nothing is black and white. The war in Iraq can be looked at from a different perspective. Remember the Bush Doctrine is about prevention not reaction to events. In the spirit of taking that Document to heart I can see not one but several good reasons for going into Iraq.
Any single reason is probably unjustifiable but if you consider that:
1) No terrorist attacks have occured in the US since the US went into Iraq I believe points to the US military being a lightening rod for the terrorist. Cannon fodder if you will. They are too busy with American forces in Iraq to make any cohesive attack on American soil.
2)Iran I believed then and seem to be getting some confirmation today has and is the real problem not Iraq. If you look at any map the US has 2 armies in theater able to respond to aggression from Iran
one on either side. Afganistan to the top and Iraq underneath.
3) Iraq with it’s ability support itself through oil sales in is probably the only country where it was possible to afford rebuilding a country from the bottom. If you are going to attempt a Marshall plan like program in the Middle East to foster Democracy in a sea of Totalitarian states it cost big bucks. The US having spent well over 200 billion and probably approaching 400 billion needed a country that could afford the cost of rebuilding itself. The US can’t go on forever spending money at that pace. Frankly there aren’t many countries in the world that have the resources to payback some of what was spent rebuilding the country whist continuing the rebuilding and easily provide a middle class enviroment for it’s people.
Imam says:”It didn’t used to be like this.”.
Welcome to hatred, Imam. Have you heard of 9/11, Imam?
The world changed on 9/11, Imam. Where have you been, Imam? …-
‘Hateful’ attack at mosque
Montreal Gazette – 12 hours ago
Threatened Imam Said Jaziri, pictured last year, says Muslim women and children in Montreal don’t go out alone at night because they fear for their safety. “It didn’t used to be like this.”. A Muslim clergyman … google news
I guess Torontonians could also say, “It didn’t used to be like this.”
Maritime Liberal, you’ve said some sensible things: Your understanding that defeat in the ME is not a viable option for the West is one of them.
However, you’ve chastised sda contributors– certainly your right–while remaining altogether silent on the CBC’s duplicity. CBC certainly doesn’t appear to agree with you on the necessity of winning this war: Hey, the CBC barely admits there is a war.
I’d be interested to know your thoughts on the routine CBC propaganda, which aids and abets the enemy. Not only does the taxpayer funded CBC denigrate and even deny the substantial gains being made by Canada’s fighting men and women and our allies in the ME, it both downplays the seriousness of the situation and tries to appease the enemy. In a time of war, I believe that the CBC’s duplicity could be rightly described as treachery.
Is that OK with you?
I have question I would like to pose to everyone so take off the tin foil hats and put on your thinking caps.
Has anyone else noticed that since the Canadians have taken the lead in Afganistan that things seem to be moving forward in the Middle East again?
It has occured to me that it was gettting quite bogged down over there and now that the Canadians are in the fight it is taking some of the pressure off the Americans and they too are able to move forward as well with more tangible results or am I
just wearing rose colored glasses.
Is the Canadian advances against the terrorists in Afganistan and they seem to be having a lot of success and are really taking the fight and too them and winning it. Is there an overall strategic plan unfolding in the Middle East now that couldn’t before because the Americans were doing it alone and now have a respecatable and capable military fighting what could be considered a hiding spot for many terrorists in ME namely afghanistan. Pincer movement comes to mind but I am no military tactics expert by any stretch of the imagination.
C*C and its in-house liberals will attempt to twist, turn, eviscerate this message. …-
Top court to investigate deportation process
OTTAWA (CP) – The government says secret evidence, closed-door hearings and indefinite detention are key tools in fighting international terrorism. …
via canoe news