“One mother told me when she went with her 18 month son to his medical checkup, and he was not in daycare. They said, ‘Oh, your son is not in daycare? But he has to go to daycare. He needs that and you need to work.’”
h/t EBD
“One mother told me when she went with her 18 month son to his medical checkup, and he was not in daycare. They said, ‘Oh, your son is not in daycare? But he has to go to daycare. He needs that and you need to work.’”
h/t EBD
Well that explains Swedish hockey players.
With Redfords “progressives” re-elected watch for the home schoolers to be forced to send their kids to public indoctination camps ( day care and public schools) governed by the HRC and U.N. based theories. Just a prediction, but it’s where i see this going in Alberta of all places.
So many socialists believe we will accept their hands around our throats if they substitute a velvet glove instead of an iron fist.
I don’t think they believe that freedom loving people will again rise and remove their hands.
Poor memories.
Not so fast.
Here in BC, the Christian School my son attends and daughter is taking on-line courses from has just been visited by B.C.’s Minister of Education. He was blown away by the multi-stream learning campus which is due for a complete expansion and rebuild in the next three or so years. It also has over 7000 on-line students which are scattered all over the province. Each student on-line must have a certified teacher within 45 min travel distance in order to qualify for this e-learning and therefore has students from every end of the province enrolled.
The Minister was shown the entire infrastructure and explained how the system worked. He then stated that this was the “future of our education system” and a model of what schools can look like in the years ahead.
There is hope even here in a province which which is desperately trying to move to the left, but at the heart, knows the right has the innovation and vision for the future.
So many socialists believe we will accept their hands around our throats if they substitute a velvet glove instead of an iron fist.
I don’t think they believe that freedom loving people will again rise and remove their hands.
Poor memories.
Posted by: Doowleb at April 28, 2012 11:56 AM
They have no reason to believe it…and neither do the rest of us.
As the Alberta election recently demonstrated, even when you give people a real conservative alternative, they’ll vote for a statist socialist.
I’d like to be as optimistic as you,”Doowleb”, but children are being indoctrinated in State schools to believe the Swedish example is something we should all strive for.
Governments are obsessed with control of their unruly citizens,and America is about to enter into four more years of government subversion of their fundamental rights under their Constitution.
Once America goes UN,the rest will follow in due time.
Canadians have also bought into the “Human Rights” racket big time,and we’re one election away from a government that would remake us in the UN ideal in one short term,the NDP.
The people who “will rise again and remove their hands ” are a bunch of old timers,like me, who won’t even be around to protest in ten years.
The rest will gladly accept the new way for the comfort and security it brings them.
It’s ironic,but the only thing that may save the Swedes from their own government,is the rise of Islam. If the Muslim population become a large enough percentage of the population, they’ll toss these new commie rules,and replace them with Sharia,which may be the better of the two systems of servitude.
Molon. Effing. Labe. M.F.ers.
Sounds like hutterites.
Any society that believes government is best at raising children is in big trouble. It sounds too idiotic to be true – eliminate “housewives.” Perhaps they could build indoctrination centres where the “housewives” could be trained and reintegrated into society so they can earn their higher pay.
BTW, no problem – the men will do the housework!
The recounted encounter in the clinic is telling. The average person has bought into a cultural core value: mothers do better working to provide cash flow to increase the quality of life for your kids.
When my wife didn’t go back to work (dental assistant, making more than I did at the time.) it became clear people thought he’d never make it. We had another kid, and plan on two more. To hear the average person tell it, we’re crazy. To quote one guy from last week “it’s impossible to support more that two kids in this world.”
we’ve made sacrifices, sure. But your kids want you. Not more and better toys, they just want you.
Next week we buy a house, to the shock of many concerned relatives who never thought he’d succeed at life with my wife staying at home.
We don’t plan on homeschooling, but we do not want to put our kids in day care.
We’re starting to prove the detractors wrong. In 20-30 years, when their depressed and unadjusted offspring are getting smoked at the game of life by mine, we’ll be justified.
“Public” school is a gross misnomer. More correctly labeled as “government” school. Gotta get ’em while they’re young!
Stay-at-home parents are enemies of the state, apparently.
Until I read the article, I thought it was an excerpt from the 1930s Soviet Union ministry responsible for family life. The thought process in the Soviet Union was the same as modern Sweden.
glacierman, good for you and hopefully the next BC government does not take that away like the Marxists in Quebec did.
dmorris and Phantom, exactly.
Sweden is a high-functioning police state, that is less and less high-functioning. Its police for instance are extremely corrupt that’s what all the ‘Girl with the Dragon Tattoo’ movies are all about. The author died under suspicious circumstances.
You realize calling this “socialism” is a misnomer. Given that people are forced against their will to comply with a government edict that they control your child’s upbringing and this is ultimately enforced at the end of a gun barrel or by having the state steal your child – the real name for this is tyranny.
Resistance to tyranny is obendience to God and a people who will not fight for their freedom are a wretched lot not much more morally evolved than cattle. Seems Sweden is a Godless sink-hole of a nation which deserves the government it gets.
The Swedish view is consistent with Obama’s view of “positive rights.” That is, rights are something government owes you as opposed to “negative rights” which are things government cannot do to you.
The labeling itself is part of the marketing propaganda, but the concept of “positive rights” is at odds with the very nature of rights.
Rights are not conferred by government. We exist with our rights and they cannot be waived or taken away.
You have a right to work, but not a right to a job.
You have a right to eat, but not a right to be fed.
You have a right to speak, but not a right to a free soap box at the time and place of your choosing.
Given the conditions of slavery and the US Civil War, and the Great Depression and WWII, it’s easy to see why statist power expanded. The question is whether there was a less centralized way to prevent and mitigate the damage.
Isn’t it a shame that mothers who stay home now feel embarassed in admitting to others that they do so.
Thank Goodness in the 60s and 70s when I stayed home to look after my family there was no shame in doing so.
Government,please let this generation raise their own family.
LAS >
Sweden is also the Muslim on white gang rape capital of the world.
Schoolgirls even dye their blond hair black now to appear less attractive to the Muslim rapists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXMpIbEDmpo
Plenty of “no-go” zones for white people including fireman and police.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw6c0JLnOt4
Can Google similar for France, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany and the UK – Liberal Progressivism at its finest.
As long as your child does not draw a gun you are ok. If the child does, then expect the government to take your children away and treat you worse than Barnado[sp]
tewchip at 11:52 AM, said:
“With Redfords “progressives” re-elected watch for the home schoolers to be forced to send their kids to public indoctination camps ( day care and public schools) governed by the HRC and U.N. based theories. Just a prediction, but it’s where i see this going in Alberta of all places.”
I think Alberta will soon find out how life would be under the HRC … starting with a pastor who said that “Gays will burn in Hell.” I am surprised that he is not already charged with a “hate crime” under the HRC mandate.
Soon home/private/Christian/etc schools will be forced to teach what the government says.
Albetra is going to get what it voted for, sad – very sad.
glacierman@12:06:
Can you provide us a link to the school you mention? Thanks
“Soon home/private/Christian/etc schools will be forced to teach what the government says.”
Clown Party of Canada
Already there! The Christian School has to teach, as part of the curriculum, the government guidelines on sex education. Most parents opt their children out of the class, as there are co-ed class materials which are NOT conducive for co-ed learning situations. There are other examples, but this is the most recent one which we have just walked through.
The state mandate is always to corrupt family values, indoctrination of “alternative lifestyle choices” and separate the children from the parents.
Everyone here knows that, but for all those who are doubters, you will get it soon enough!
@ glacierman:
And they will “get it good and hard.”…government that is.
Turn your children over to the government you say…not on your life!
The Swedes must be afraid of free thinking citizens. Government paranoia at its finest…
Cheers
Hans Rupprecht, Commander in Chief
1st Saint Nicolaas Army
Army Group “True North”
“Soon home/private/Christian/etc schools will be forced to teach what the government says.”
Clown Party of Canada
Already there! The Christian School has to teach, as part of the curriculum, the government guidelines on sex education. Most parents opt their children out of the class, as there are co-ed class materials which are NOT conducive for co-ed learning situations. There are other examples, but this is the most recent one which we have just walked through.
The state mandate is always to corrupt family values, indoctrination of “alternative lifestyle choices” and separate the children from the parents.
Everyone here knows that, but for all those who are doubters, you will get it soon enough!
Nick: http://www.heritagechristian.ca/
It’s all pretty straight forward, always has been: The hand that rocks the cradle, rules the world!
The involvement in gument in any aspect of private lives of citizens is an abomination, IMO. Ken (kulak) has so often told all of us here at sda of the consequences of selling freedom for security. If people who have children are willing to sell (or give) their children to the gument then why bother having a family? It boils down to that simple question in the end.
Private Property and families are the nucleus of all Liberty for the simple fact that babies are not capable of survival on their own; just to live, little ones need love, food, and shelter until they are teenagers. Parents are responsible for the child, not a state! Young people are not ‘owned’ by parents but they are the responsibility of parents until the child is capable of caring for him/herself. Private property enables parents to maintain shelter for their offspring and to enforce their rules on said property.
It follows that schools are not the business of a state, the education of a child is the business of parents. Taxpayers should not pay for the education of other people’s offspring because that action dilutes the family and property rights. It all makes sense if a person has an understanding of Liberty and the responsibilities that Liberty entails. We have wondered so far off the path of respect for each other that we do not comprehend the joy of independence, the right to think for ourselves and the right to disagree. The grey cloak of conformity creeps into the lives of free people like a fog in London; it soon blinds people and they cannot see beyond their noses.
Education is not a right, it is a choice.
LAS – apart from a movie, to you have any factual evidence that Sweden’s police are ‘extremely corrupt’ and that Sweden is a ‘police state’.
It is interesting, but some countries have legally rejected homeschooling. Sweden, Germany, Greece, Iceland, almost all of the old Eastern Bloc (eg, Albania, Ukraine, etc), Brazil; many allow it only within restrictive conditions (Estonia, Netherlands etc).
Only a few countries allow it without or with few of the restrictions: Canada, US, UK, France, New Zealand, Australia.
It appears as if the majority of nations reject homeschooling, a ‘reasonable’ number allow it with guidance and restrictions and only a few have a more open approach.
There are pros and cons on both sides of the argument.
And the pro of the state saying that you can’t keep your preschooler at home with a stay-at-home mom at all but has to go to state-run daycare or they’ll seize the kid on a phoney child abuse charge is what exactly, ET?
andycanuck, your example has nothing to do with the pros and cons of home schooling.
After all, a state insisting that a child go to a state daycare or, it will claim child abuse, isn’t an argument either for or against homeschooling. It’s an action of state totalitarianism.
I’m talking about whether homeschooling is, in itself, a constructive way to learn – or not. Are state schools a constructive way to learn? Do schools have a function beyond learning curriculum?
In many cases, the answer has to be that schools do not provide as good a learning environment as home schooling because the group-based learning system doesn’t deal with individual needs. In other cases, the group-based learning environment exposes the child to different perspectives and to social interaction, much as a group of any kind does. These can, however, be managed in the homeschool by various group events.
So, I’m not in favour of one or the other. I reject the propaganda, the mindless brainwashing of our current schools; I reject the socialist mindset of our current teachers. But, that doesn’t mean I reject the notion of a public school. There are schools which focus on genuine learning and not on propaganda and can be domains of shared exploration and learning.
School, without the ‘public’ part. I don’t owe anybody’s kid an education.
Verbatim quote from Nurse Redford’s acceptance speech this past Monday:
“Albertans voted for change (pause) I’m going to give it to them.”
Be very, very afraid of what she meant by “it”. She is a lawyer, after all.
A Vladimir Lenin quote: “Give us the child for 8 years and it will be a Bolshevik forever.”
He also said “One man with a gun can control 100 who do not have one”
Draw your own conclusions.
It’s not simply a matter of the parents’ wishes; it’s an indictment of the public school system. Have the leftists never asked why children are home-schooled?
Of course not. That would require abilities and feelings they could not possibly possess.
Isn t it interesting that with the exception of France all the countries that allow home schooling are former British colonies.Maybe the fact that so many of the countryman of these former British colonies died in order to save France in two world wars has an influence on Frances perspective.
ET, upon reading your post, I can concur to some degree that there are students who would benefit from a more public environment (provided that there is no indoctrination!) but not always. I’ve felt that one argument for a public education -socialisation- is a bit of bunk. Sure, there are group activities and learning how to behave in a public setting but these things either don’t yield the results one thinks or just cement a student into a particular role. One doesn’t behave the same way in school as one might at a store or at church. Group activities sometimes leave one student doing a bulk of the work or delegate other students into artificial roles. A person is either an introvert or an extrovert. Public schooling may have no effect or a tremendous opposite effect on that person.
Just my thoughts.
Let’s not confuse the issue with facts.
The Canadian Centre for Home Education has conducted a thorough longitudinal study on various indicators of success among home schooled adults. It can be found at the following link.
http://www.hslda.ca/assets/pdf/2009-study.pdf
Socialization is an issue that cuts two ways. Yes your child will get socialized at school, but is it good?
My first thought on reading the link yesterday night was also that Sweden is a totalitarian state. And Germany, Quebec, etc.
Quote: “They said, ‘Oh, your son is not in daycare? But he has to go to daycare. He needs that and you need to work.’”
Recently there has been a malevolent strain of feminism that regards non-working (by choice) women as “traitors” to the cause. Obviously it is thoroughly totalitarian. There is nothing wrong with women wanting to work, but like all human characteristics it varies from one individual to the next. If a family can get by on one income and the woman wishes to concentrate on child-rearing, she is perfectly within her rights to do so, and it is thoroughly immoral for anyone to suggest otherwise. And her kids don’t “need” daycare either.
Quote: “The Swedish government believes that [the] state takes better care of children than parents”
The Swedish government is full of crap to the point of being a menace to its citizens. The idea that the state can improve on parents is absolute garbage. Most parents get to know their children’s characteristics intimately, precisely because they’re interested in doing so. State functionaries don’t have that interest, and the results would have to be more like an assembly line. And when does the state do anything better than the private sector or private individuals? Or as I usually phrase it, when has government ever provided “high-quality” anything?
Quote: “But Sweden’s ambassador to the United States said, ‘The [Swedish] government does not find that home schooling is necessary for religious or philosophical reasons.'”
This does not alter the fact that it is in violation of the rules of its own precious United Nations.
Quote: “They believe if you’re keeping your children at home, it’s possible you’re indoctrinating them.”
In the Internet vernacular, Pot.Kettle.Black.
It is naive to think that public schools can do a “good” job that a private school cannot. The only thing government can do that no other institution can is to use coercion on the unwilling, but coercion does not create, invent, or discover. It also does not teach.
Quebec has a course called “Ethics and Religious Culture” that is mandatory in all education. Sadly, the Supreme Court of Canada, not interpreting the Charter of Rights section 2 properly, upheld it, to the detriment of all our freedoms. I mentioned it here two or three times, but for whatever reason it didn’t get the response that this Swedish case did.
Public school is, basically, a very expensive daycare for those too lazy to look after their own kids.
Run by people who have never experienced the real world. Never experienced the business of business or worked in the real world. School prepares kids to think alike, live in cookie cutter houses all in a row and vote for some idiot who will give them more of the same.
Osumashi – it isn’t simply the socialization that is the issue between home and public schooling.
Nor is it the false argument by fiddle that the public teachers are alienated from ‘the real world’ (I’m not sure what he considers the real world) for the child’s parents could be considered equally alienated.
In both cases, public and home, the child is being socialized. Our species is born without innate knowledge and must experience a long period, at least a decade of learning or socialization.
What is at issue is the ideological content of that socialization. Our public schools have moved out of teaching the basics of information (math, reading, history, logic) into instilling opinions about ethics, ways of life. These used to be the domain of the home and church. Therefore more and more parents want to remove their children from exposure to an unwanted set of opinions taught as truth rather than opinion.
But then, are the values of the particular home open or closed? Does the home isolate the children from others and view others as unacceptable?
I think the public schools have to be reined in from their pulpits and returned to basic teaching. Home schooling is a sign that the current public indoctrination is unacceptable. My point is that the system has to be repaired not thrown out.
I don’t buy the “socialization” argument at all. Public high schools are very feral environments, and IMO they have a negative effect on most kids’ development. At an age when the most useful things are responsibility and adult company, teenagers in high school are starved of both. Why does anyone assume that being around a bunch of 16-year-olds is just what the average 16-year-old needs?
I suspect that noone has ever been bullied to suicide in a home school environment. Plus, there’s the whole “learning to read” thing.
Black Mamba – you can have toxic home environments as well as toxic public school environments – and children have committed suicide or run away from both situations.
As for bullying, otherwise known as teasing, I think that, first, it’s basic to our human psychology – ie, putting others down is a basic human nature. It’s not constructive, it’s not good, but it’s there.
The tactics to deal with this tendency have been rigorous socialization, by which I mean, home and or school upbringing which constantly rejects this type of interaction, constantly chastizes the child for this behaviour, constantly shows how to interact. But it’s there; it is basic to our nature and comes out in all groups. In the army, in the schools, in the camps, in the family.
I think that schools should teach the basics: arithmetic, reading, writing and, critical thinking. Geography and history. No politics, no social studies, nothing.
I think that religion, as a focus for ‘how to treat others’ is important. I’m an atheist but I consider that a people have to develop and maintain a collective set of morals and ethics and constantly reflect on and refer to them. I have a problem with the school doing this because our schools are infected with socialist progressives. But our homes seem to, in many areas, neglect this important factor of raising children.
“Our species is born without innate knowledge and must experience a long period, at least a decade of learning or socialization.” ET at April 29, 2012 9:25 AM
Sorry ET, but that is a pile of atheistic crap! We are given knowledge which is not learned. They are called “gifts” which is not learned but placed in a person and are sharpened and honed, and given the right tutoring, are seen on youtube and in performing environment each and every day.
Have you never seen or met child protege’s? Where did they learn how to play a piano, do math, sing like a nightingale?
The discipline of a well rounded education can also draw out many talents which each and every person has, but that is not the case in many schools these days. It is about “socializing” the students to complete the curriculum so the student can be handed a piece of paper which states that they have met the requirements of the system.
Just talked with a friend and fellow homeschooler. Enrolling her son into advanced math so as to pursue his interests and gifting. Reviewed some of the books for his English course required reading. One of the books had FIVE lengthy and detailed descriptions on ORAL SEX.
As an educator of my children, would that be acceptable to give to my 16 year old child? Do you not think that would be grounds for child abuse? Would that not be a red flag to show that there are problems in my home?
But, the school system has this “higher learning” required reading and the parents have no clue on what is in the school libraries and curriculum. Why are they not being charged with peddling porn. Convenience stores have to put up such books, be they pictorial porn, as opposed to the literary porn which are REQUIRED READING.
What is the socialization factor in the class when everybody is reading and learning about oral sex at the same time? Where is the guidance and life coaching? This is nothing but setting the stage for the psychiatrists and counseling industries to make huge money! Not to mention all the medical expenses for abortions, STDs and broken marriages later in life, leading to single parent dependant on the system families.
Great education you got going on there!
No thanks!!
…you can have toxic home environments as well as toxic public school environments…
This is the reason those whose only experience is words and theories should be kept away from any position of power.
Just like not all businesses fail, but all government businesses eventually fail, so do all schools have toxic environments, but not all home environments.
The good ones keep a check on the bad ones.
My point is that the system has to be repaired not thrown out.
Just like a leftist, intent on engineering our lives and fixing the unfixable.
My goodness, fiddle, but you sure have a problem, don’t you. You don’t seem able to understand that our species operates within ‘words’; we have, as Aristotle said, the power of reason.
Reasoning is done via words, via images, via thought. Since you reject words and theories you thus reject any and all actions of reasoning. Ah well. Here’s an example of an error of reasoning:
You said: “Just like not all businesses fail, but all government businesses eventually fail, so do all schools have toxic environments, but not all home environments.”
Now, fiddle, if you would examine your words, and reason about what you said, you’d find (ah well, maybe not) that your statement is illogical.
All four sentences are universals. Are you aware that making an argument out of universal statements is logically invalid? It’s called the Existential Fallacy. You can’t really come to any particular conclusion with these universals.
Plus, hmm, there’s another problem which goes beyond the words and logic. hmm. The problem is that your wordy claims about businesses and schools are empirically empty. To move beyond your words, you have to prove that all schools have toxic environments and all government businesses fail. Try it, fiddle, and report back with the hard data. Thanks.
You don’t seem able to understand that our species operates within ‘words
You fill your vehicle with words and I’ll fill mine with diesel and we’ll see who drives the furthest.
To move beyond your words, you have to prove that all schools have toxic environments…
Sure, your own words…“My point is that the system has to be repaired…”
…prove…all government businesses fail.
Give a successful example.
fiddle – many more flawed statements from you.
First, you set up a false argument based around universals, ie, empty sentences of words. You expect me to accept your words.
Now, you are equating machines to human beings! Whew. You may think that your words can make this happen, but fiddle, no matter what you say, a car isn’t a human being.
Then, you mix up a universal with a particular, with your claim that my statement that ‘the system has to be repaired’ means that ‘all schools are toxic’. Heh – that’s equating ‘some’ with ‘all. Sheesh, you do have trouble with words, don’t you.
Then, you refuse to prove your own claims. You said that ‘all government businesses fail’. You have to go beyond your words and show the truth of this statement in reality. You are the one who rejects ‘living in words’. So, stand up for your beliefs. Prove your statement.
Remember, fiddle, life isn’t just words.
…life isn’t just words.
Ya think.
With enough of progressive tolerance, kindness & humanity . The Planet will be extinct of human beings. Even the elite will kill themselves off.
Ask a liberal this:
The residential school system took native children away from their parents, and tried to imprint them with a religion and culture that was not theirs. Was that not wrong? Shouldn’t the children have been raised by their families instead of arrogant strangers who regarded them as backwards savages?
‘Oh yes, absolutely’ the liberal will say.
Then ask them why they expect that mandatory government daycares and schools will do any better for non-aboriginals.