Genuflect
Definition – The motion made by a sitting Prime Minister after he plants his own foot at 100 mph into his testicles.
According to Mike Duffy and a number of other talking heads it’s not the content of what you say that is important. It’s the ability to emote.
Harper can be dry but at least he is extemely intelligent and honest.
Martin is capable of a well rehearsed emotional display. He has had years of practice. Tragically he wouldn’t know honesty if the definition was tatooed on his forhead for him to look at every morning in the mirror. He must believe that we the public are complete dunderheads. His sycophantic fawning of the electorate can’t hide the utter disdain and contempt the man feels toward the public once he is behind closed doors.
Cudos to Paul Wells for actually looking up the quote. I’ve been reading him more lately. Although I don’t always like what he has to say his saying it it is important. It certainly gives him credibility. I have to reconsider my own position from time to time or consider things that I have not thought of even though I don’t particularly care for the picture he has painted.
Coming to SDA is of course home for me but I rarely disagree with what is said here. Playing to the choir as it where. Mr. Wells often presents thoughts ideas or opinions that even though I may in the end agree or disagree with, have the effect of forcing me to think out my own position further or at times accept his premise even though I don’t like it. Nevertheless what he has presented is true. That has value to me and should have value to all of us.
Did anyone else observe Jack Layton’s so-called “broad consensus” on the subject of more women as MPs?
I listened to the debate (on and off) over radio. Martin’s “emotional moment” sounded contrived. I’m not an unbiased observer, to say the least, but you’d think that a guy whose been dealing with Quebec nationalism for decades as a politician would have something more meaningful to offer than a speech about the patriotism of “children” who flag their toy boats offshore.
“Did anyone else observe Jack Layton’s so-called “broad consensus” on the subject of more women as MPs?”
Yes, according to Jacko, women good, men baaaaaaad.
I thought it was funny how he kept saying “and Ed Broadbent sez …”
Frankly, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass what old commie Broadbent thinks.
Very contrived attack on Duceppe, and those children he speaks so glowingly of, are running the company, continuing to build ships, evade taxes, as will their children and their children’s children, provided, of course, there are no more cocaine or other type busts involving CSL. Wonder if they ever paid back the $160 million loan they got from the taxpayer?
Gee. I missed that one. After about an hour of the “debate” I thought I’d watch something a little more interesting. SpongeBob SquarePants.
Martin’s “passion” on the unity issue showed typical Liberal arrogance. Someone should have pointed out to him that it isn’t just “his” country, or his party’s. Of course the Liberals think it is their country and treat our tax dollars accordingly. Harper should have responded that there was no need for the BQ or anyone else to take Canada away by any trick or otherwise…..the Liberals have already proven that Quebec is available to the highest bidder, with the requesite commission being paid back to the Party of course.
Martin still hasn’t answered Duceppe’s question about which candidates benefitted from that money. He’s asked several times in French and English, and prior to the debates, of course. Still no answer. Who’s he protecting?
I missed the debate so I’ll have to wait with the rest of Canada to watch the CBC so that I’ll know what to think.
While vacationing on a ranch, Paul Martin gets thrown from his horse, lands on a rattlesnake, gets bitten and dies in the emergency room at the nearest hospital because he insisted on only receiving treatment at one of the private for profit clinics his personal physician operates.
So his soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.
“Welcome to Heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a Liberal around these parts, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”
“No problem, just let me in; I’m a believer.” says Martin.
“I’d like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man Himself..
He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you’ll live for eternity.”
“But, I’ve already made up my mind, I want to be in Heaven,” replied Martin.
“I’m sorry, but we have our rules.” And with that, St. Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course; the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect 72 degrees.
In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front of it is his dad, and thousands of other Liberals who had helped him out over the years. Pierre Trudeau, Jean Marchand, Pelletier, St. Laurent etc.
The whole of the “Left” was there, everyone laughing, happy and casually but expensively dressed. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at the expense of the “suckers and peasants.” They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. The Devil himself comes up to Martin with a frosty drink, “Have a Margarita and relax, Paul!”
“Uh, I can’t drink no more, I took a pledge,” says Martin, dejectedly.
“This is Hell, son. You can drink and eat all you want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!”
Martin takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes like himself, and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like they pulled on the GST and Free Trade promises. They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it’s time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Martin steps on the elevator and heads upward.
When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter is waiting for him. “Now it’s time to visit Heaven,” the old man says, opening the gate.
So for 24 hours Martin is made to hang out with a bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other’s company, talk about things other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food tastes great, it’s not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn’t see anybody he knows, and he isn’t even treated like someone special! Worst of all, to Martin, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish hippie with his endless ‘peace’ and ‘do unto others’ jive.
“Whoa,” he says uncomfortably to himself. “Pierre Trudeau never prepared me for this!”
The day done, St. Peter returns and says, “Well, you’ve spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity..”
With the ‘Jeopardy’ theme playing softly in the background, Martin reflects for a minute, then answers: “Well, I would never have thought I’d say this – I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all – but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.”
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell. The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste ( kind of like Sudbury).
He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with grime.
The Devil comes over to Martin and puts an arm around his shoulder. “I don’t understand,” stammers a shocked Martin, “What happened?”
“Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar, drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time.
Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!”
The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, “Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us!”
This “opinion/report” shows Stephen Harper as Prime Minister of Canada. Harper is amazing. He has depth of character, depth of intellect; his passion is for his family, the Canadian people, and for Canada. He is a conservative. >>>>
Same-sex opponents ‘unhappy’ with Harper
OTTAWA (CP) – Opponents of same-sex marriage say they’re unhappy but undaunted by Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s promise not to use the notwithstanding clause to overturn the law – even if he’s doomed to fail without it. >>>
via cnews
was the SSM question first a setup or what??
what a minor issue that the Libs and Pravda continue to play like a skipping CD.
Martin announced again that the country revolves around Quebec.
Where is the star of MSM and the Libs – Paris Stronach?? they havent dragged her out. and the Libs are experts in keeping that other traitor mouthpiece out of the spotlight- Scotty Brison
If Harper had used the words “Broad Consensus” to describe more women MPs we would have had headlines all over the place .
In the first English debate Mr. Martan spoke about his Canada.. It made me wonder what he would do If Quebec were to separate . Would Mr. Martin move out of his beloved Quebec??
When Martan speaks of Canada is he talking about Quebec�s Canada or Harpers�s Canada?
So much of what the Liberal party has been doing for the last 12 years has strengthened the support for separation, not decreased it, so suggesting that Martan is a Qu�b�cois first and a Canadian second really is valid, and asking where he would prefer to live is also valid.
Martin is from Windsor Ontario- he is a fake Quebecois. ne pas de Pure Laine.
Having said that I hope he stays there when Quebec separates.
Quebec will still have to take the 10mile radius about the Peace Tower and all the civil servants as the price of cancelling the debt.
Some notes from the last half of the debate:
Disabled woman asks how an income tax cut will help her, since she doesn’t pay income tax?
Martin: Tells some lies, then says “a refund is one way to go”. Translation: we’ll just write you a check, does that work for you, sweetheart?
Duceppe: Has a Marxian slip, says society should be “based on solidarity”!
Harper: Nails it. Says 32% of Canadians don’t pay income tax, GST cut will help everyone.
Layton: Says GST cut is “pennies”; maybe to a Trendy Downtown Millionaire Socialist Son Of A Mulroney Cabinet Minister it is, but to a REAL poor person it is a very welcome and helpful tax cut. A good question from Trina McSellout: should tax policy be about raising cash, or rewarding behaviour?
Martin: Goes on about health and education, two areas of provincial jursidiction.
Layton: Goes back to corporate tax cut.
Harpo: Gives an economist’s answer, uses transit credit as example, follows up on GST comments by guaranteeing GST rebate for low income earners.
Duceppe: Ridicules Martin’s surplus.
National Unity:
Duceppe: Says Canada is going in a different direction than Quebec wants to go, points to EU as model.
Layton: Adscam “hurt Canada.”
Martin: Blahblahblah. His words are meaningless at this point.
Harper: Says record Bloc support is direct result of Adscam – he’s right, of course. Names some good CPC candidates in Quebec, says Charest is the strongest federalist Quebec premier in his lifetime and Liberals treat Charest, a fellow Liberal, like a nobody. Says national unity is job #1 for a prime minister and that Quebec will only leave if the federal government continues to suck.
Martin: Says “I am a Quebecer” and gets very angry.
McSellout gently asks bozos to get back on topic, which is the Clarity Act:
Harpo: Says Clarity Act is a matter of Rule of Law. Now that’s a conservative!
Layton: Lost me at “build bridges”.
Martin: In the second best line of the night Martin says – quote – “You have a problem? Go see Judge Gomery, go see the RCMP”. Does this sound like a man worthy of being Prime Minister of Canada, or more like a mob goon?
Western Alienation:
Martin: Points to his stunt senior cabmins from the west.
Duceppe: Makes fun of Martin, “More words, words, words”
Harper: Says CPC will guarantee Gateway Initiative, cites fixed electoral dates, says Canada needs to join 21st century and elect senators.
Layton: Gets in a plug for now discredited “Raise A Flag” mooch-scam, says wheat board not protected. Says Western Canada needs more NDP MPs.
Strength of Canada
Martin: Says the Canadian people. Smugly points at race riots in Europe as proof of this.
Harpo: “Unfortunately I have to agree with Mr. Martin, it is the Canadian people”. Makes Team Canada hockey analogy and says Canada can’t win gold without Quebec.
Go See Judge Gomery—yadda yadda yadda.
One question to ask PMPM– If Mr Cretan or Mr Gagliano are implicated in this when will they be arrested?
If Martin lets down the side in Quebec, wonder how he’ll be treated by those who count on him to do what he’s told? Names not used to protect the far from innocent…
Paul Well’s disclosure that his girlfriend works for Layton made me ponder. Does that mean that the NDP have at least two great asses on their team?
As for Layton’s strong desire to see more women MP’s and considering that the general public finds most politicians contemptible, does that make him a closet misogynist?
And the woman who dared defy him and voted against SSM was given the boot. Go figure. Now that’s lefty tolerance.
Anonalogue,
Great summary.
The highlight of the night for me (a lawyer) was the irony of two self-described Charterphiles -Layton and Martin- (who are rather more accurately described as Charter Abusers, given that they are quick to use the Charter for political purposes) making discriminatory comments about half the population (men).
As the police officer who refused to guard the Morgentaler clinic and the printer who refused to print homosexual material found out: the Charter rights of some (the politically correct) are more important than the Charter rights of others (those holding now discarded religious views.)
This is how we arrive at the point where the (understandable) desire of homosexuals to have their relationships acknowledged by society as the equal of, indeed indistinguishable from, relationships which produce offspring (and hence are the bedrock of our society) is judged to be a legal right rather than what it is: an understandable desire.
There are no legal rights to which homosexuals are entitled that cannot be granted by the recognition of Civil Unions.
Through undisciplined, sloppy legal interpretation (where Judges have made law rather than interpreted it- in this case reading in a right which Parliament had purposely left out when the Charter was passed) we have turned an understandable desire into a legal right.
IMHO, in the process we have shown, as in the case of the cop and the printer, that our approach to defining Charter rights is fundamentally flawed by the introduction of politics into a legal forum but without the resources which are available in a political forum for real debate.
In the case of the cop and the printer there were others readily available to provide the service they, exercising their right to freedom of conscience, declined to provide. Their views however were minority, out of step, views. Although the initial decisions were ameliorated somewhat on appeal no attempt was made in the first instance to balance their rights against the rights of those against whom they were discriminating.
Wow Terry, I take back almost everything I’ve said about lawyers. that was a great summary and written so the average Joe/Jane could understand.
The only problem with saying what you said is that anyone who said those words would end up being the target of moonie screams from on high. Probably have to explain yourself in front of a Human Rights Tribunal.
A caller to a talk radio show hosted by Peter Warren in regards to Paul Martin’s performance in the English debate.
“…a diarreha of words and a constipation of ideas.”
Terry,
Agree with most of what you stated, but I would add that the “amelioration” in the printer’s case (Brockie) actually added more discretion for judges to intervene. The idea of “core values”, which is the only basis on which a service provider can object to providing services in such instances, leaves much to be interpreted by tribunals and courts. In what society should such bodies be deciding what an individual’s core values are?
I always thought that the SCC had stated that Charter rights are not to be treated as hierarchies, or played off against each other. But it seems that it only true if religion is not one of the rights at issue. We saw this again in the recent KofC case, which used Brockie as a precedent for the decision.
Nat,
I didn’t think it advisable to get into too much detail on the Brockie case in my post. Elucidation and expansion on my commnets from others in the know is most welcomed by me.
Texas Canuck,
Thank y’all for the kind comments. I’m not the last bit worried about being hauled before…excuse me, there’s someone at the door…
Harper unveils B.C. strategy: “Under a Conservative government,British Columbia will have more seats in the House of Commons and more equitable representation in the Senate.
Highlights of the British Columbia platform include:
* Using the repayment of illegally collected American tariffs as security for loan guarantees for affected lumber companies and ensuring adequate support for displaced forest workers and their communities;
* Introducing mandatory prison sentences for gun crimes and drug dealers;
* Investing $1 billion over ten years to fight the mountain pine beetle in B.C. forests;
* Ensuring our Navy at CFB Esquimalt and the Air Force at CFB Comox have adequate resources and equipment; and
* Offering financial assistance to Victoria to stop dumping raw sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca.” (Score one for Mr. Floatie! – Anon.)
I’d like to see him unveil a similar strategy for Atlantic Canada, preferably including corporate tax incentives.
Paul “L’etat C’est Moi” Martin is a liberal Liberal? No. Martin is out of the school of Tommy Douglas; Martin is a graduate of Douglas’s school; socialism. Tommy Douglas is not dead enough. H/T SDA.
Here, AdScam Martin defines his worldview:
“My father was out of the�same generation and was of the same tendency as Tommy Douglas,” Martin told John Gray. “I could easily describe myself as being out of the Tommy Douglas school.”
“L’etat C’est Moi” AdScam Martin is a socialist of the Tommy Douglas school. In the background: the Hegemon, aka Power cartel; Jack Layton/NDP, Svend Robinson & his ilk; the State, the KGB,coercion, the Gulag… death; the natural end result of socialism. >>> http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/martin_paul/
Terry,
I don’t necessarily consider myself in the “know”. But I recently had a discussion about this very issue with a group of law students. (I’m in 3rd year at Oz) Out of 20 people, I was the only person that expressed any concern over the reasoning in the case and the possibilities for judicial intervention in people’s values and beliefs. I’m throughly dismayed at how quickly religion is dismissed under equality analyses.
Did anybody notice PMPM saying he wanted to put money into the hands of Canadians?
I could smell the popcorn through the tv screen. No money for Canadians, but more for bureaucrats. Duceppe nailed healthcare by pointing out, finally, that there are too many non-medical bean counters making decisions that affect medical care and that it is costing too much money to pay adminstrators when we need docs and nurses. Docs have been saying this for years. THe provinces ration care by allowing only so many MRIs per year per hospital; so many doctors’ visits, etc. Nobody picked up on it, but good for him. It won’t fly with the provinces who keep their hands out, shift the responsibility to admin types, leaving about 20% of total budget for actual care.
SSM Martin, he of the ghost pirate ship $$ AdScam, has lost it completely. Says Harper has no business… gag, barf alert. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. SSMartin, SSMartin, $$Martin … Ring up Svend, Paul. & Bruno, too.
SSMartin is toast. >>
Martin attacks Harper over gay marriage
VANCOUVER (CP) – Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has no business trying to become prime minister given his stance on same-sex marriage, Liberal counterpart Paul Martin said Saturday.
via cnews
Harper has demonstrated that he’s willing to go to the ropes on this BECAUSE HE PROMISED HE WOULD. Which means, to most that he is a man of his word, even in the face of attacks, smears and drive-by shoot-from-the-lips. He must be doing well because Jumpin’ Jack has turned his sights away from Martin and is not attacking Harper. Canadians are noticing this, too. I heard one of the guys who posed a question for the debate say he was impressed with him – very impressed. And Martin is frothing at the mouth, so he’s obviously in the fight of his life. Not because he wants to be PM, but because he knows that the Tories will be relentless in turning over rocks.
Not because he wants to be PM, but because he knows that the Tories will be relentless in turning over rocks.Iron Lady
I.L.
Did you mean to say not JUST because he wants to be PM.
He wants to be P.M. so bad he gesticulated wildly throughout the debate. He moved his hands so much I thought I was watching Lawrence Welk- but then I realized I was listening to noise, not music.
So if SSM is really such a big frikkin Human Rights issue, why is Canada standing up at the UN and geting teh world onside ??
We were fornt and centere fighting apartheid,
Where is Martins’ vaunted “global consience” why aren’t we promoting Canadian values on the international stage ??
http://www.conservativelife.com/blog/index.php/canada/2005/12/16/martin_considers_sending_troops_to_iraq
Genuflect
Definition – The motion made by a sitting Prime Minister after he plants his own foot at 100 mph into his testicles.
According to Mike Duffy and a number of other talking heads it’s not the content of what you say that is important. It’s the ability to emote.
Harper can be dry but at least he is extemely intelligent and honest.
Martin is capable of a well rehearsed emotional display. He has had years of practice. Tragically he wouldn’t know honesty if the definition was tatooed on his forhead for him to look at every morning in the mirror. He must believe that we the public are complete dunderheads. His sycophantic fawning of the electorate can’t hide the utter disdain and contempt the man feels toward the public once he is behind closed doors.
Cudos to Paul Wells for actually looking up the quote. I’ve been reading him more lately. Although I don’t always like what he has to say his saying it it is important. It certainly gives him credibility. I have to reconsider my own position from time to time or consider things that I have not thought of even though I don’t particularly care for the picture he has painted.
Coming to SDA is of course home for me but I rarely disagree with what is said here. Playing to the choir as it where. Mr. Wells often presents thoughts ideas or opinions that even though I may in the end agree or disagree with, have the effect of forcing me to think out my own position further or at times accept his premise even though I don’t like it. Nevertheless what he has presented is true. That has value to me and should have value to all of us.
Did anyone else observe Jack Layton’s so-called “broad consensus” on the subject of more women as MPs?
I listened to the debate (on and off) over radio. Martin’s “emotional moment” sounded contrived. I’m not an unbiased observer, to say the least, but you’d think that a guy whose been dealing with Quebec nationalism for decades as a politician would have something more meaningful to offer than a speech about the patriotism of “children” who flag their toy boats offshore.
“Did anyone else observe Jack Layton’s so-called “broad consensus” on the subject of more women as MPs?”
Yes, according to Jacko, women good, men baaaaaaad.
I thought it was funny how he kept saying “and Ed Broadbent sez …”
Frankly, I couldn’t give a rat’s ass what old commie Broadbent thinks.
Very contrived attack on Duceppe, and those children he speaks so glowingly of, are running the company, continuing to build ships, evade taxes, as will their children and their children’s children, provided, of course, there are no more cocaine or other type busts involving CSL. Wonder if they ever paid back the $160 million loan they got from the taxpayer?
Gee. I missed that one. After about an hour of the “debate” I thought I’d watch something a little more interesting. SpongeBob SquarePants.
Martin’s “passion” on the unity issue showed typical Liberal arrogance. Someone should have pointed out to him that it isn’t just “his” country, or his party’s. Of course the Liberals think it is their country and treat our tax dollars accordingly. Harper should have responded that there was no need for the BQ or anyone else to take Canada away by any trick or otherwise…..the Liberals have already proven that Quebec is available to the highest bidder, with the requesite commission being paid back to the Party of course.
Martin still hasn’t answered Duceppe’s question about which candidates benefitted from that money. He’s asked several times in French and English, and prior to the debates, of course. Still no answer. Who’s he protecting?
I missed the debate so I’ll have to wait with the rest of Canada to watch the CBC so that I’ll know what to think.
While vacationing on a ranch, Paul Martin gets thrown from his horse, lands on a rattlesnake, gets bitten and dies in the emergency room at the nearest hospital because he insisted on only receiving treatment at one of the private for profit clinics his personal physician operates.
So his soul arrives in heaven and he is met by St. Peter at the Pearly Gates.
“Welcome to Heaven,” says St. Peter. “Before you settle in, it seems there is a problem. We seldom see a Liberal around these parts, so we’re not sure what to do with you.”
“No problem, just let me in; I’m a believer.” says Martin.
“I’d like to just let you in, but I have orders from the Man Himself..
He says you have to spend one day in Hell and one day in Heaven. Then you must choose where you’ll live for eternity.”
“But, I’ve already made up my mind, I want to be in Heaven,” replied Martin.
“I’m sorry, but we have our rules.” And with that, St. Peter escorts him to an elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell. The doors open and he finds himself in the middle of a lush golf course; the sun is shining in a cloudless sky, the temperature a perfect 72 degrees.
In the distance is a beautiful clubhouse. Standing in front of it is his dad, and thousands of other Liberals who had helped him out over the years. Pierre Trudeau, Jean Marchand, Pelletier, St. Laurent etc.
The whole of the “Left” was there, everyone laughing, happy and casually but expensively dressed. They run to greet him, hug him, and reminisce about the good times they had getting rich at the expense of the “suckers and peasants.” They play a friendly game of golf and then dine on lobster and caviar. The Devil himself comes up to Martin with a frosty drink, “Have a Margarita and relax, Paul!”
“Uh, I can’t drink no more, I took a pledge,” says Martin, dejectedly.
“This is Hell, son. You can drink and eat all you want and not worry, and it just gets better from there!”
Martin takes the drink and finds himself liking the Devil, who he thinks is a really very friendly guy who tells funny jokes like himself, and pulls hilarious nasty pranks, kind of like they pulled on the GST and Free Trade promises. They are having such a great time that, before he realizes it, it’s time to go. Everyone gives him a big hug and waves as Martin steps on the elevator and heads upward.
When the elevator door reopens, he is in Heaven again and St. Peter is waiting for him. “Now it’s time to visit Heaven,” the old man says, opening the gate.
So for 24 hours Martin is made to hang out with a bunch of honest, good-natured people who enjoy each other’s company, talk about things other than money, and treat each other decently. Not a nasty prank or frat boy joke among them; no fancy country clubs and, while the food tastes great, it’s not caviar or lobster. And these people are all poor, he doesn’t see anybody he knows, and he isn’t even treated like someone special! Worst of all, to Martin, Jesus turns out to be some kind of Jewish hippie with his endless ‘peace’ and ‘do unto others’ jive.
“Whoa,” he says uncomfortably to himself. “Pierre Trudeau never prepared me for this!”
The day done, St. Peter returns and says, “Well, you’ve spent a day in Hell and a day in Heaven. Now choose where you want to live for eternity..”
With the ‘Jeopardy’ theme playing softly in the background, Martin reflects for a minute, then answers: “Well, I would never have thought I’d say this – I mean, Heaven has been delightful and all – but I really think I belong in Hell with my friends.”
So St. Peter escorts him to the elevator and he goes down, down, down, all the way to Hell. The doors of the elevator open and he is in the middle of a barren scorched earth covered with garbage and toxic industrial waste ( kind of like Sudbury).
He is horrified to see all of his friends, dressed in rags and chained together, picking up the trash and putting it in black bags. They are groaning and moaning in pain, faces and hands black with grime.
The Devil comes over to Martin and puts an arm around his shoulder. “I don’t understand,” stammers a shocked Martin, “What happened?”
“Yesterday I was here and there was a golf course and a clubhouse and we ate lobster and caviar, drank booze. We screwed around and had a great time.
Now there’s just a wasteland full of garbage and everybody looks miserable!”
The Devil looks at him, smiles slyly, and purrs, “Yesterday we were campaigning; today you voted for us!”
This “opinion/report” shows Stephen Harper as Prime Minister of Canada. Harper is amazing. He has depth of character, depth of intellect; his passion is for his family, the Canadian people, and for Canada. He is a conservative. >>>>
Same-sex opponents ‘unhappy’ with Harper
OTTAWA (CP) – Opponents of same-sex marriage say they’re unhappy but undaunted by Conservative Leader Stephen Harper’s promise not to use the notwithstanding clause to overturn the law – even if he’s doomed to fail without it. >>>
via cnews
was the SSM question first a setup or what??
what a minor issue that the Libs and Pravda continue to play like a skipping CD.
Martin announced again that the country revolves around Quebec.
Where is the star of MSM and the Libs – Paris Stronach?? they havent dragged her out. and the Libs are experts in keeping that other traitor mouthpiece out of the spotlight- Scotty Brison
If Harper had used the words “Broad Consensus” to describe more women MPs we would have had headlines all over the place .
In the first English debate Mr. Martan spoke about his Canada.. It made me wonder what he would do If Quebec were to separate . Would Mr. Martin move out of his beloved Quebec??
When Martan speaks of Canada is he talking about Quebec�s Canada or Harpers�s Canada?
So much of what the Liberal party has been doing for the last 12 years has strengthened the support for separation, not decreased it, so suggesting that Martan is a Qu�b�cois first and a Canadian second really is valid, and asking where he would prefer to live is also valid.
Martin is from Windsor Ontario- he is a fake Quebecois. ne pas de Pure Laine.
Having said that I hope he stays there when Quebec separates.
Quebec will still have to take the 10mile radius about the Peace Tower and all the civil servants as the price of cancelling the debt.
Some notes from the last half of the debate:
Disabled woman asks how an income tax cut will help her, since she doesn’t pay income tax?
Martin: Tells some lies, then says “a refund is one way to go”. Translation: we’ll just write you a check, does that work for you, sweetheart?
Duceppe: Has a Marxian slip, says society should be “based on solidarity”!
Harper: Nails it. Says 32% of Canadians don’t pay income tax, GST cut will help everyone.
Layton: Says GST cut is “pennies”; maybe to a Trendy Downtown Millionaire Socialist Son Of A Mulroney Cabinet Minister it is, but to a REAL poor person it is a very welcome and helpful tax cut.
A good question from Trina McSellout: should tax policy be about raising cash, or rewarding behaviour?
Martin: Goes on about health and education, two areas of provincial jursidiction.
Layton: Goes back to corporate tax cut.
Harpo: Gives an economist’s answer, uses transit credit as example, follows up on GST comments by guaranteeing GST rebate for low income earners.
Duceppe: Ridicules Martin’s surplus.
National Unity:
Duceppe: Says Canada is going in a different direction than Quebec wants to go, points to EU as model.
Layton: Adscam “hurt Canada.”
Martin: Blahblahblah. His words are meaningless at this point.
Harper: Says record Bloc support is direct result of Adscam – he’s right, of course. Names some good CPC candidates in Quebec, says Charest is the strongest federalist Quebec premier in his lifetime and Liberals treat Charest, a fellow Liberal, like a nobody. Says national unity is job #1 for a prime minister and that Quebec will only leave if the federal government continues to suck.
Martin: Says “I am a Quebecer” and gets very angry.
McSellout gently asks bozos to get back on topic, which is the Clarity Act:
Harpo: Says Clarity Act is a matter of Rule of Law. Now that’s a conservative!
Layton: Lost me at “build bridges”.
Martin: In the second best line of the night Martin says – quote – “You have a problem? Go see Judge Gomery, go see the RCMP”. Does this sound like a man worthy of being Prime Minister of Canada, or more like a mob goon?
Western Alienation:
Martin: Points to his stunt senior cabmins from the west.
Duceppe: Makes fun of Martin, “More words, words, words”
Harper: Says CPC will guarantee Gateway Initiative, cites fixed electoral dates, says Canada needs to join 21st century and elect senators.
Layton: Gets in a plug for now discredited “Raise A Flag” mooch-scam, says wheat board not protected. Says Western Canada needs more NDP MPs.
Strength of Canada
Martin: Says the Canadian people. Smugly points at race riots in Europe as proof of this.
Harpo: “Unfortunately I have to agree with Mr. Martin, it is the Canadian people”. Makes Team Canada hockey analogy and says Canada can’t win gold without Quebec.
Go See Judge Gomery—yadda yadda yadda.
One question to ask PMPM– If Mr Cretan or Mr Gagliano are implicated in this when will they be arrested?
If Martin lets down the side in Quebec, wonder how he’ll be treated by those who count on him to do what he’s told? Names not used to protect the far from innocent…
Paul Well’s disclosure that his girlfriend works for Layton made me ponder. Does that mean that the NDP have at least two great asses on their team?
As for Layton’s strong desire to see more women MP’s and considering that the general public finds most politicians contemptible, does that make him a closet misogynist?
And the woman who dared defy him and voted against SSM was given the boot. Go figure. Now that’s lefty tolerance.
Anonalogue,
Great summary.
The highlight of the night for me (a lawyer) was the irony of two self-described Charterphiles -Layton and Martin- (who are rather more accurately described as Charter Abusers, given that they are quick to use the Charter for political purposes) making discriminatory comments about half the population (men).
As the police officer who refused to guard the Morgentaler clinic and the printer who refused to print homosexual material found out: the Charter rights of some (the politically correct) are more important than the Charter rights of others (those holding now discarded religious views.)
This is how we arrive at the point where the (understandable) desire of homosexuals to have their relationships acknowledged by society as the equal of, indeed indistinguishable from, relationships which produce offspring (and hence are the bedrock of our society) is judged to be a legal right rather than what it is: an understandable desire.
There are no legal rights to which homosexuals are entitled that cannot be granted by the recognition of Civil Unions.
Through undisciplined, sloppy legal interpretation (where Judges have made law rather than interpreted it- in this case reading in a right which Parliament had purposely left out when the Charter was passed) we have turned an understandable desire into a legal right.
IMHO, in the process we have shown, as in the case of the cop and the printer, that our approach to defining Charter rights is fundamentally flawed by the introduction of politics into a legal forum but without the resources which are available in a political forum for real debate.
In the case of the cop and the printer there were others readily available to provide the service they, exercising their right to freedom of conscience, declined to provide. Their views however were minority, out of step, views. Although the initial decisions were ameliorated somewhat on appeal no attempt was made in the first instance to balance their rights against the rights of those against whom they were discriminating.
Wow Terry, I take back almost everything I’ve said about lawyers. that was a great summary and written so the average Joe/Jane could understand.
The only problem with saying what you said is that anyone who said those words would end up being the target of moonie screams from on high. Probably have to explain yourself in front of a Human Rights Tribunal.
A caller to a talk radio show hosted by Peter Warren in regards to Paul Martin’s performance in the English debate.
“…a diarreha of words and a constipation of ideas.”
Terry,
Agree with most of what you stated, but I would add that the “amelioration” in the printer’s case (Brockie) actually added more discretion for judges to intervene. The idea of “core values”, which is the only basis on which a service provider can object to providing services in such instances, leaves much to be interpreted by tribunals and courts. In what society should such bodies be deciding what an individual’s core values are?
I always thought that the SCC had stated that Charter rights are not to be treated as hierarchies, or played off against each other. But it seems that it only true if religion is not one of the rights at issue. We saw this again in the recent KofC case, which used Brockie as a precedent for the decision.
Nat,
I didn’t think it advisable to get into too much detail on the Brockie case in my post. Elucidation and expansion on my commnets from others in the know is most welcomed by me.
Texas Canuck,
Thank y’all for the kind comments. I’m not the last bit worried about being hauled before…excuse me, there’s someone at the door…
Harper unveils B.C. strategy:
“Under a Conservative government, British Columbia will have more seats in the House of Commons and more equitable representation in the Senate.
Highlights of the British Columbia platform include:
* Using the repayment of illegally collected American tariffs as security for loan guarantees for affected lumber companies and ensuring adequate support for displaced forest workers and their communities;
* Introducing mandatory prison sentences for gun crimes and drug dealers;
* Investing $1 billion over ten years to fight the mountain pine beetle in B.C. forests;
* Ensuring our Navy at CFB Esquimalt and the Air Force at CFB Comox have adequate resources and equipment; and
* Offering financial assistance to Victoria to stop dumping raw sewage into the Strait of Juan de Fuca.” (Score one for Mr. Floatie! – Anon.)
I’d like to see him unveil a similar strategy for Atlantic Canada, preferably including corporate tax incentives.
Paul “L’etat C’est Moi” Martin is a liberal Liberal? No. Martin is out of the school of Tommy Douglas; Martin is a graduate of Douglas’s school; socialism. Tommy Douglas is not dead enough. H/T SDA.
Here, AdScam Martin defines his worldview:
“My father was out of the�same generation and was of the same tendency as Tommy Douglas,” Martin told John Gray. “I could easily describe myself as being out of the Tommy Douglas school.”
“L’etat C’est Moi” AdScam Martin is a socialist of the Tommy Douglas school. In the background: the Hegemon, aka Power cartel; Jack Layton/NDP, Svend Robinson & his ilk; the State, the KGB,coercion, the Gulag… death; the natural end result of socialism. >>>
http://www.cbc.ca/news/background/martin_paul/
Terry,
I don’t necessarily consider myself in the “know”. But I recently had a discussion about this very issue with a group of law students. (I’m in 3rd year at Oz) Out of 20 people, I was the only person that expressed any concern over the reasoning in the case and the possibilities for judicial intervention in people’s values and beliefs. I’m throughly dismayed at how quickly religion is dismissed under equality analyses.
Did anybody notice PMPM saying he wanted to put money into the hands of Canadians?
I could smell the popcorn through the tv screen. No money for Canadians, but more for bureaucrats. Duceppe nailed healthcare by pointing out, finally, that there are too many non-medical bean counters making decisions that affect medical care and that it is costing too much money to pay adminstrators when we need docs and nurses. Docs have been saying this for years. THe provinces ration care by allowing only so many MRIs per year per hospital; so many doctors’ visits, etc. Nobody picked up on it, but good for him. It won’t fly with the provinces who keep their hands out, shift the responsibility to admin types, leaving about 20% of total budget for actual care.
SSM Martin, he of the ghost pirate ship $$ AdScam, has lost it completely. Says Harper has no business… gag, barf alert. Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic. SSMartin, SSMartin, $$Martin … Ring up Svend, Paul. & Bruno, too.
SSMartin is toast. >>
Martin attacks Harper over gay marriage
VANCOUVER (CP) – Conservative Leader Stephen Harper has no business trying to become prime minister given his stance on same-sex marriage, Liberal counterpart Paul Martin said Saturday.
via cnews
Harper has demonstrated that he’s willing to go to the ropes on this BECAUSE HE PROMISED HE WOULD. Which means, to most that he is a man of his word, even in the face of attacks, smears and drive-by shoot-from-the-lips. He must be doing well because Jumpin’ Jack has turned his sights away from Martin and is not attacking Harper. Canadians are noticing this, too. I heard one of the guys who posed a question for the debate say he was impressed with him – very impressed. And Martin is frothing at the mouth, so he’s obviously in the fight of his life. Not because he wants to be PM, but because he knows that the Tories will be relentless in turning over rocks.
Not because he wants to be PM, but because he knows that the Tories will be relentless in turning over rocks.Iron Lady
I.L.
Did you mean to say not JUST because he wants to be PM.
He wants to be P.M. so bad he gesticulated wildly throughout the debate. He moved his hands so much I thought I was watching Lawrence Welk- but then I realized I was listening to noise, not music.
So if SSM is really such a big frikkin Human Rights issue, why is Canada standing up at the UN and geting teh world onside ??
We were fornt and centere fighting apartheid,
Where is Martins’ vaunted “global consience” why aren’t we promoting Canadian values on the international stage ??