It’s no surprise that the US sees Canadian supply mismanagement as a major trade irritant; I sincerely hope they don’t back down in trade talks this time around.
Washington’s trade representative says a coming review of the Canada-U.S.-Mexico trade deal will hinge on resolving concerns about Canadian policies on dairy products, alcohol and digital services.
Like clockwork, the water carriers for Big Dairy are falling in line:
Carney said Canada has been clear about its intention to protect the supply management of agricultural products. “We continue to stand by that,” he said at a news conference in Ottawa with Ontario Premier Doug Ford.
Great title, Dennis. It’s true: they really don’t care how much the rest of Canada is forced to suffer as long as Quebec’s interests are protected.
They’re not protecting Quebec’s interests as much as they’re buying Quebecer’s vote.
A good idea only if there is a mechanism that reflects that something like 70% of US dairy farmer’s income is from government subsidies while in Canada government subsidies are NIL. A 233% tariff on US dairy would equalize things. That’s exactly why the tariff on American dairy is about 250% if they exceed the billion dollar or so imports we allow tariff free. The US can put a million % tariff on Canadian dairy but we don’t subsidize overproduction and force it on our trading partners so it would produce no revenue.
“A good idea only if there is a mechanism that reflects that something like 70% of US dairy farmer’s income is from government subsidies while in Canada government subsidies are NIL. ”
Uh-huh…
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Support, *in its various forms*, equalled 73 percent of U.S. dairy farmers’ market returns in 2015, *according to a report published by a Canadian trade consulting firm* on Thursday.
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Even if you believe all that, the key difference (and one that the leftists always ‘forget’ to mention) is that the US subsidies make their dairy products CHEAPER for consumers to buy, while our ‘supply management ‘ oligopoly makes our dairy (and poultry) products MORE EXPENSIVE for Canadians to buy. I know which system I prefer.
US dairy farmers are subsidized by the US government. Canadian dairy farmers are subsidized by the Canadian consumer. If we remove the tariffs on US dairy then we would need to start subsidizing Canadian dairy farmers via the Canadian government. The alternative would be to let the Canadian dairy industry go under and then be even more beholden to avarice of the American government (i.e. If you want milk for your kids then you better start selling your oil at an even bigger discount.)
You are so unbelievably naive.
The US has all the leverage in the trade agreement.
Like it or not, the US will dictate the terms.
Or else, Canada gets economically squeezed, in ways none of us have seen yet.
And no, neither Carnage, the Lieberals or the EuroFascists will save this country.
But we’ll get their thoughts and prayers.
Or maybe, just maybe, stop acting like petulant, entitled spoiled brats, and make a deal with the US, and treat them with respect!
How has insulting their intelligence worked out for ya so far, Einstein?
eLbOwS up!
“The US has all the leverage in the trade agreement.
Like it or not, the US will dictate the terms.”
Exactly.
Mark Carney knew that your average Canadian was gullible enough to fall for the “Elbows Up!” BS. Shockingly, Pierre Poilievre fell for it too.
“Or maybe, just maybe, stop acting like petulant, entitled spoiled brats, and make a deal with the US, and treat them with respect!”
That would require Canada to be governed by grownups (or people with an actual spine).
Canada’s cartels must be protected at all costs! Far be it from the party of “fairness” to remove their boots from the backs of the necks of regular Canadians. Should the average Canadian learn how much they’ve been screwed over on all dairy products, even leftists might realize how much they’ve been scammed by the party that pretends to represent them.
And should the dairy domino fall, hundreds of others might topple as well.
No country has as many monopolies, oligopolies, and outright cartels as Canada. Though as usual, those in the west ALWAYS lose, whereas those in the East largely benefit or have offsetting benefits for many of them.
Chicken, turkeys, eggs, and milk. A fraction of food costs and a tiny fraction of all industry.
“Chicken, turkeys, eggs, and milk. A fraction of food costs and a tiny fraction of all industry.”
You left out cheese (which is a *huge* market by itself). It’s the principle of the thing that is most important, so I’m not surprised that you don’t get it.
Gouging fellow Canadians by hundreds of percent. And criminally charging anyone who sells to another Canadian at a reasonable price that bypasses the cartel board. And criminally charging those who sell real milk at any price – only milk with the nutrients boiled out of it may be consumed. And they don’t allow anyone not inside their cartel to sell period.
The dairy cartel, as well as the poultry cartel, and taxi cartel, the telecom monopoly, the airline oligopoly, etc. are all evil and ONLY BENEFIT A FEW AT THE EXPENSE OF MILLIONS.
Every BS excuse they come up with to justify their existence is moronic. EVERY ONE OF THEM SHOULD BE SMASHED. Laws should prohibit any of them from ever existing in any form. Their proceeds should be seized and redistributed, and the market opened up to all Canadians.
Close the market to Americans if need be, and do not allow foreign ownership. Then you’re protecting Canadian producers WITHOUT RIPPING EVERYONE ELSE OFF and protecting a few well-connected ones at the expense of everyone else.
Every country protects their famers. Either through tariffs, subsidies, or quotas. Name one that doesn’t.
Canada.
Canada only protects selected farmers and producers. If they’re from the west, they are taxed and regulated to death. If they’re from Quebec and parts of Ontario, they’re protected from competition and allowed to charge usurious prices.
In any case, simply because many countries do something wrong is no reason to excuse it here. Simply don’t allow trade on those products with countries who do such things. That would protect our producers here while still allowing healthy and widespread production, fostering a free market. And keeping gov’t out of areas where it does not belong. Which also prevents voting blocs from being formed based on giving one group other people’s money.
The Europeans, after decades of protecting theirs, appear to no longer be doing so. The videos out of Brussels shows what the farmers’ response was.
Something could be negotiated; protecting domestic production of anything is sensible as long as one realizes that the other side of the negotiating table will (should) be doing the same. Farm subsidies is a sore point with many Americans just as much as your supply management is with your people. The first rule of negotiation is that you will not get everything that you want, but if you try you might get what you need from a deal — but it has to be considered at a society wide perspective. A different trade arrangement might bring about some betterment for both peoples without destroying either side’s domestic production.
But that isn’t going to happen under the current ‘free trade’ treaties, nor will it happen when one side insists on throwing tantrums. So, yeah, the only other option is to consider it not as a negotiation but combat, and try to crush you.
It’s all for the benefit of Québec at the expense of the West.
“Canada’s entrenched supply management system—once a backstop against 1970s market swings—now serves primarily to shield Quebec’s 4,200 small dairy farms, all while capping western provinces at 16% of national output and granting Quebec 37%.”
https://thedeepdive.ca/how-quebecs-dairy-quotas-block-trade-and-hurt-consumers-and-why-supply-management-must-end/
This article reminds us it was the Uniparty that unanimously passed legislation to protect Québec.
Dairy farmers must be the most beloved of people all over!
We in the USA protect the heck out of ours. You in Canada protect the heck out of yours.
Is it something in the milk?
“Is it something in the milk?”
If I drank US milk I’d be lactating like a Holstein. Because of hormones they give cows.
Sorry, but we haven’t grown a third eye or a 6th finger.
Nothing wrong their dairy, except for you guys setting your hair on fire.
“Sorry, but we haven’t grown a third eye or a 6th finger.
Nothing wrong their dairy, except for you guys setting your hair on fire.”
Hugely overblown, but used by the Canadian dairy cartel as an excuse to justify their gouging on the consumer:
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The main difference is that
Canada bans artificial growth hormones (rBST/rBGH) in dairy cows, while the U.S. permits their use to increase milk production, though only about 20% of U.S. farmers use it; Canadian milk is inherently hormone-free, while U.S. milk might contain traces of the synthetic hormone, which authorities say breaks down during digestion and poses no human health risk, but Canada banned it due to animal welfare concerns.
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So only 20% of American farmers use this hormone, and both the US and Canadian governments agree that it poses no public health risk.
The US doesn’t give a crap about Canada’s dairy supply management. The effects are miniscule for them.
It does give a crap about tilting the negotiating table before the parties enter the room.
“It does give a crap about tilting the negotiating table before the parties enter the room.”
Like their tariffs on softwood lumber?
Canada’s entire trade is minuscule to the US. They don’t need us, but we need them. The table has been tilted since 1867. The sooner Canada acknowledges that any trade deal will be on the US’ terms alone and begins negotiating appropriately, the better.
One fifth of your business is not minuscule. And that doesn’t include financial and technology services.
“One fifth of your business is not minuscule.”
Compared to three quarters it is.
“And that doesn’t include financial and technology services.”
Which the US produces vastly more of anyway. We are the mouse in bed with the elephant…Canada’s entire economy is the size of California’s.
Picking a fight that you can’t possibly win demonstrates either immaturity or ignorance, neither of which is a desirable quality in a government.
How about posting without personal attacks. That’d be good.
KM, SDA’s resident schoolmarm is getting delusional, finding personal attacks where there are none.
Those who practice personal attacks often don’t seem to recognize it.
Surely it’s those who obsess over being personally attacked who don’t recognize when it isn’t happening? That quote is a criticism of government, not an “attack” and certainly not a personal attack. He’s not calling you immature or ignorant. Although God knows you are, you dumb puppy.
That is not correct.
Canadian exports like petroleum, electricity, automobile parts, lumber, steel, aluminium, nickel, potash and other fertilizers, chemical products, and some foods like canola are substantial by any measure, so much so that some American industries spend much time and money lobbying their government to impose tariffs so they don’t have to compete. And other American industries lobby the government to do the opposite, as they benefit from Canadian imports.
I concur
Trump knows this is political third rail in Canadian politics and he knows between Liberals and conservatives this issue is the one neither will throw under the bus.
What Trump wants is a reason to end the trilateral trade agreement.
Under such a scenario it leaves Canada with the same alternative that confronted the fathers of confederation.
Create a deal to keep the US expanding north or join the US.
Of those two which one is the least trouble?
Rhetorical question, which of those two choices means a lot of government people in Ottawa are out of a job?
Ohhhhhhhhhh mommmaaaaa … I am so, so, sorry to report that the the CPI “unexpectedly” slowed to 2.7% in Nov.
https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/12/18/business/cpi-inflation-tariffs-fed
Ohhhhhhhhhhh mommaaaaa … Trump’s tariffs haven’t spiked inflation. Too Late, Too Leftist Jerry Powell is looking to be an utter political pawn of every elitist who will SCREW the American consumer just to make Trump look bad. The man should be in Federal Prison for screwing-down the American economy while doing NOTHING to reverse Biden’s “transitory” inflation.
I want to see Trump (or rather his negotiators) stake Canada’s team out for the buzzards and crank up the penalties until they have no choice but to dismantle every marketing board and the CanCon regs, too.
Congress has the power to set tariffs and the Senate has the power to make international treaties. These require Democratic Party cooperation and that isn’t likely happening. I suspect even Republicans will get a lot braver after the 2026 primaries. An orange lame duck is still a lame duck. Trump’s power ends election day 2026.
Perhaps. But there’s always the chance that election day gives my President a win. Also, a lot can happen in that amount of time. We’ll see.
“I want to see Trump (or rather his negotiators) stake Canada’s team out for the buzzards and crank up the penalties until they have no choice but to dismantle every marketing board and the CanCon regs, too.”
I want to see them close the Canada-US border for just 30 days. NOTHING in or out, period.
The US economy would be badly hurt, yes…but the Canadian economy would likely COLLAPSE completely. The Americans would probably then come in and buy us up for pennies on the dollar.
It would almost be worth it to watch the Elbows Up idiots burst into tears.
Alberta and Saskatchewan should cut their own deal with Trump on dairy.
A nice warning shot over the Liberal’s bow and a good swift boot in the prunes as well.
Wake up the eastern Canadian parasites a bit.
Everything we sell into the US is subsidized by a 60 cent dollar, Canadian taxpayers take in the shorts so that we can protect selected industries….all with borrowed money.
What will be the value of the dollar be when Canadians finally relize the cookie jar is empty.