42 Replies to “I Want A New Country”

  1. I’m Albertan, I’d at least like to hear the offer. Ottawa will need to make a pretty compelling case though.

    1. Liberals will sell it like the abused spouse: you are needed to pay the bills for the family, and no one else will love you the way I do, baby. I’ll never hurt you again. Rinse and repeat.

    1. Brian Z. … over his dead body, I believe. He is a staunch believer of “MAID in Canada”. He’d rather go down with the ship. I wonder if all the other Canadian Captains of Industry want to ride the ship of Fools down to the abyss where Ottawa is taking you?

      BTW … I’ll take the Western carve out of Alberta, Sask, and BC … right up to the border of Hongcouver. That little piece can remain in Canada … so I can visit there with my BEEG American dollars and get some bargain entertainment. Then we’ll have Norte’ del Montane … our 51st RED State

      1. Yes you are correct. Canada is a ship of fools. Who would gladly drown all of us rather than allow anyone to take a life boat.
        So the question ‘what are the best ways to abandon ship?’ Abandon before we join the Titanic.

  4. Canada is the titanic and the east has tied the west to the masts! It is time to cut the ropes before they take us to the bottom with them.

    1. This. And distant as in a half a red nether hair’s breadth above being ruled by the Lieberals.

      WEXIT & formation of the Independent Republic of Buffalo for the win!

      And no, we don’t want GD Manitoba, either. Seasonal, eight month/year access to tidewater doesn’t overcome the [spit] Prog mentality that accompanies it.

  6. I think it’s fair to see what changes would occur if AB/Sask were to join as two states with the USA. I don’t need to hear directly from tier 2 Canada’s gov’t as they’ve already presented their case in the past 100 years, and further I could just watch whatever is the MSM coverage in Canada on the topic for about 30 minutes on nightly Tv news and I’d have their updated gist of it.

    Note too, if tier 2 Canada’s “offer” doesn’t include the basic changes which various AB/Sask. gov’t have sought in the past couple of generations, I’m not likely to be advocating to remain in Canada.

    Elected senators, an equal number for each province, probably 5 for each is sufficient.
    Parity number of MP’s representing AB with what is given to the other provinces, or decrease the Atlantic province’s MP representation to what our numbers are, 1 per 140k citizens
    Property rights
    Less taxation, more freedom
    Stop the equalisation farce
    Complete overhaul of what has happened to the Canadian justice system
    Quebec has 22% of the population, and shouldn’t have 33% of the SCOC justices
    Inter-provincial rights to access other provincial markets, including oil shipping to 2 coasts…
    You see, there’s no way Canada’s federal gov’t will agree to any of these, I doubt any offer they have will meet or exceed this short list. I wouldn’t “settle” for one of these, I want them all, and in a functioning democracy, one shouldn’t have to negotiate terms which are equal to other province’s constitutional guarantees, they should be a given.

    AB/Sask, should completely ignore the SCOC’s “clarity act” … 50% +1 is the standard to carry a referendum, and we’re clearly not represented by the other province’s citizens, and it’s not up to them to decide for our future for us. I expect the American Admin. would recognise our referendum’s results, and guarantee our decision, which will end the easterner’s opinion on how we conduct our futures. They can then continue to give $ billions to foreign countries as they wish.

    1. But all referendums must comply with the Constitution, as that is the Spirit of America.

      Laws which contradict both will have neither standing nor merit.

      1. The Laurentian Elite has everything they need to stop it……..except the one thing you need if it gets to brass tacks, an army.

  7. L – The question, about Canadians no longer having Constitutional Rights as shown by e.i. Panic-demic
    Lockdowns and Mandates, as the Oakes Test somehow disappeared, as a onus on the Crown, high bar metric bulwark, against arbitrary government is open. The Charter is nothing but window dressing without it.

    Secondly, as the purpose of freedom of speech is so that bad/failed ideas get to die instead of people,
    When the Supremes denied the appeal of Prof. Jordan Peterson, asking for them to give standing and render
    a decision. He noted that about 20% of the Canadian workforce are governed by some kind of regulatory
    body. Hence, the professions and trades people, who we depend on for everything vitally important, no longer
    have the Right to tell the truth about, either their field of expertise, or the Right to free speech, period. The
    Sovietization of Canada rises like a new Berlin wall.

    The implications are profound, as the nation-state of Canada can’t survive for long, while violating the axiom that brought down the Soviet Union, “Live Not By Lies”. Because living by lies rots people from the inside out.
    Problems can neither be avoided, nor solved but fester and worsen. We’re seeing too much of that increasing
    over decades, now. This is no place to raise children, nor grow old.

    Patriotic Canadians still believing in the True North, Strong and Free, now begin to ask: Is the Canadian Constitution and Charter flawed inherently or simply institutionally. What are our options is a live question.

    That Pres. D.J. Trump has said his gov’t. will defend the Right of an American to Free Speech, even in other jurisdictions… is something astounding in Canada’s political crisis Their Constitution, though battered still inspires from it’s British Common-Law roots of. inalienable, Natural Rights and provides for political reform.

    An economy can recover, but a body politic requires a spirit, a why that allows it to endure any how.

    1. Very well stated:

      An economy can recover, but a body politic requires a spirit, a why that allows it to endure any how.

      When compared to “life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness”, our “peace, order, and good government”, sounds like either a dirge or the wet dream utterance of a technocrat – and that was written when the population thought our leaders were nominally sensible and acted in the interest of the country, or so we thought.

      Sadly, the truth is that the spirit of our body politic is, and has been, that of subjects as opposed to free citizens.

  8. Well, if anything, being a US Territory would be much better than a US state. Much lower taxes but still get the passport. Exert home rule. Life is good and more prosperous.

    1. Yes, that might be the best solution. Take some time seeing how it works out and then take the independence route if it turns out to be unsatisfactory.

    2. Home rule doesn’t necessarily work for a territory. Look at Puerto Rico; shady progressive politicians, corrupt bureaucrats, failed/failing infrastructure, poor education system, large proportion of citizens happily on the dole.

    3. Yes, it would have to be a US Territory to begin with. It takes time to convert everything over.
      Westminster Parliament to Representative Republic.
      “Free” Taxpayer funded healthcare to insurance or user pay
      Public healthcare to private, non-profit and charity supplied
      Hands cuffed behind the back to enjoying 2A self-defence rights

      Should note that even with sleepy Brandon at the helm, things in America were still better than in Kanada.

  9. The key to getting Albertans to support independence or a a less preferable choice of joining the US is electing Carney as PM. He is one sick f..k.

    1. If Albetrta hasn’t already decided based on how they have been treated for decades and the illness in the Eastern and national governments, then they won’t decide now with Carney.

    2. That ship sailed in the mid-1980s. Alberta rejected the Western Canada Concept. Mulroney fooled Albertans into thinking things would change and held the Triple-E Senate on a stick. Of course, Mulroney allowed the NDP to hijack it with its demand that there would be no Triple-E without Universal Basic Income (called the “Social Charter” back then). Then Mulroney had the guile to say the Triple-E was rejected and would never be allowed to come up again. Since then, Quebec has its minimum HOC seats and the Dippers are close to getting their UBI.
      Albertans really will leave confederation. On a gurney, that is. It will never leave on its own two feet.

  12. Start with this paragraph from Carneys book Values:

    Most fundamentally, we can bring everyone along by creating the jobs of the present and future, particularly in the regions of the country, like my home province of Alberta, that will face the largest adjustment and could seize the greatest opportunity.

    Another one of Carneys goals is to have every financial transaction take climate change into account.

    We as westerners now have the opportunity to leverage a better deal so use the power trump is giving us. Move towards a republic from a monarchy, more provincial powers.

    Bilingualism is a failed concept, created dysfunction federally in Ottawa and the welfare state of K bec through equalization which needs to be terminated.

    The liberal creation of the Indian act was a total failure and should be passed on to the provinces. Settle the treaties and lets move on.

    Gun rights to provinces

    Triple E senate, this is nothing new, proposed to be elective rather than appointed. Make it ours not theirs !

    In the creation of this country, federal infrastructure investment was the imperative to cohesion, the development of a nation. Roads and rail were its beginnings. The pipelines proposed by Stephan Harper would have changed Canada alternatively to what we see today. Deregulate, fast track nation building infrastructure if we are serious and unleash the potential of our workforce.

    No serious nation can be sovereign without a capable military, you just cant open your mouth without having the balls to back it up to put it simply. You require men to risk their own well being to protect a nation with a morale that has been absent for decades.

    Was in discussion with marketing/ financial advisor today, 90 percent invested in the US, 5 percent overseas and 5 percent Canada. Private investment has fallen off a cliff.

    Someone has to show me where at this point in time why choose Canada. Open to options but intuitively, not optimistic it will happen.

  13. I suspect that Brian Lilley is right. For now, a majority of westerners want to remain in Canada, although it escapes me why.
    Maybe that will change if the easterners back in Ontario and Quebec decide to put the flaming Liebs back in control of the federal government. After 9 years of controversy and corruption, just what will it take for these ignoramuses who continue to vote Lieberal to wake up and realize that they’re getting fleeced.

    1. My own observation is that the majority of Albertans would like to stay in a revamped Canada.
      Not a “vast majority.” Just a soft majority. The use of words is important.
      When a revamped Canada does not happen, (and it won’t) will that sentiment change?
      It’s a lot like a potential divorce – sad to see the good times gone, but realizing that gone they are.
      There once was a social Team Canada. The beaches of Normandy always gets flogged as the example of that, although as Jordan P has pointed out, that was a long time ago. And there was never an economic or political Team Canada.
      Nobody likes a divorce, but when the abuse continues, and there is no hope…….how long to we cling to being abused for the sake of a few long-ago memories?
      I would like to see some sort of sovereignty-association with the States. About the only good idea Quebec ever contributed to Alberta. How does that territory thing work?

  14. Hey there’s a movement of Albertans to join the US.
    Hey the vast majority of Albertans don’t want to join the US.
    Lilly isn’t a serious reporter. Bit of a flake, always has been. Typically urban Canadian however, wet palmed, vacillating without keen instincts. He’s annoying.

  15. Marx Carney might be the quickest way to end canada.

    Unfortunately Ottawa is accelerating our ten year decline and by the time it comes to negotiating our already pathetic economic position will be even weaker.

    We can starve while freezing in the dark, that’s fine for everyone, but the US will not allow a vassal state for Chinese communists, drug cartels, and Islamic terrorists on their border.

  16. I have two sisters who have lived in the US for years, one MAGA and the other liberal as they come. Would either ever move back here? Not a chance. Neither married, no kids, so only economics rule.

  17. “The reality is, in Alberta the vast majority oppose Canada joining the states”
    He knows this?
    By what means?
    Has anyone asked?.
    Or is this our old comrade,”Polls”?
    Where those who respond,have nothing better to do with their time?

    When will Albertans get to discuss the options?
    Cause I notice the conversation ain’t happening publicly,what with the canned responses of “If you don’t like it..Leave”
    And shouts of how unacceptable it be not to support Dear Leader.
    “How Dare you question “.
    Same old playbook.
    If we are going to sensibly rearrange our business..When do we do the planning?

  18. The devil is in the details of course and I’d like to hear the potential details…
    Unfortunately, those dis-liking the idea have their heads stuck in the sand and have their fingers in their ears.

  19. The truth of the matter here is that Alberta is on the clock. If we don’t scream loud and clear we are ready to leave Canada within the next 4 years we will not make it in to the US as a state or a territory. Today, Trump would welcome us with open arms, if and on if Vance can continue leading the Republicans after Trump do we have an extended window.
    Poilievre and the federal conservatives are not the answer, if the conservative party gets in Alberta and Sask will be forgotten about as the party will busy trying to make headway in tradition liberal riding’s for the next election, as a matter a fact I believe to some degree that the conservatives are suffering at the polls because more and more Canadians go to bed at night dreaming about being the 51st state, and now that the conservatives at best will have 8 years of power then it’ll be back to the liberals and Canada by that time will be officially a 3rd world S$%@Hole .. so we are under the gun to get this separation started, the person that leads Alberta out of Canada will be the hero of this story.

  20. The Alberta Independence Interview:
    The Roughneck Magazine, March/April 2019

    1. how likely do you think Alberta’s independence is?
    The political answer is that independence is up to the people; if they want it, they’ll push for it. But I think it’s highly likely in the next 10 years. I remember when Czechoslovakia split up in ’91 or ’92, and the leadership there thought independence was inevitable if support for it held at 15 percent. And it did. And at the height of independence sentiment in 1992 support was still only 36 percent. Well, support for Alberta independence has been five points over the 15 percent threshold consistently for years now. The latest Angus Reid poll, done February 2019, has Albertan support for independence at 50 percent. That’s way beyond a tipping point.
    Remember that it’s not just popular will that delivers independence, it’s the ability to get things done across both entities; democratic cooperation, that breaks down as cohesion breaks down. So, by the time independence support crested at 36 percent in what’s now the Czech Republic, the practical functioning of government across the two entities, of Czech and Slovak, had already, culturally, been badly undermined. The actual separation was then just formalizing what was already happening in the Czechoslovakian government.
    Popular support for independence is already well above critical mass, and the cultural divide that drives it is already well established and well known. Now it’s just a question of time.

    1. 2. The cultural divide, witnessed in Parliamentary dysfunction, seems to be getting worse under Trudeau.
      You say worse, but if the goal is getting Canada out of Alberta, then Trudeau’s been a good thing for us. But yes, the divide is bigger now than even four years ago. All the reasons that spurred the Western Canada Concept, and then the Reform Party of Canada, and the infamous Firewall letter, and on it goes. It’s just that now we’ve got a Federal Government actively trying to impoverish Alberta. I mean, it’s not subtle anymore.
      There were a lot of us in the system then, as now, who held our noses in dealing with Canada. In the last few years, some are quietly positioning new options, we still must deal with Canada all the time, but now it’s not ‘hold your nose and give it,’ so much as ‘hold your nose and prep to take it back.’ That’s a recent change.
      2a. Politicians have repeatedly claimed that Albertan independence would be a disaster – Bernier recently called it a disaster. There’s the idea out there that separation is risky and difficult. Is that fair, or does it reflect ulterior motives in Canada?
      Well, that’s just it, the ones calling for panic are the ones whose positions are at risk. For Alberta, separation isn’t complicated, it’s not difficult. Sure, it’ll take time to sort out, a lot of work for the bureaucrats. But it’s volume of work, not risk. It’s staying within Canada that’s risky. If what we’ve endured under Trudeau in the last few years, with no hint of help from eastern Canada, no support at all, and this is just the start of it so there’s no let-up coming -that’s what we’re in for forever with Canada. Getting rid of that is work, yes, but it lowers our risk and boosts our opportunity.

    2. 3. Financial. Canada would expect Alberta to absorb some portion of Canadian debt at independence. What’s fair?

      What’s fair is paying Alberta’s share of what Alberta’s responsible for. Should we pay for all the largesse lavished on east-ern Canada? I don’t think so. We voted against all that. We shouldn’t pay the costs of the cartels or the subsidies to eastern industry, outfits like Bombardier, Power Corp., SNC — we didn’t authorize any of that, we fought hard against it, so there isn’t any basis for us paying for it. These things are what Canada wanted, they’re what Canada’s responsible for; they’ll be paid by Canada.

      Let’s remember that because of our population, relative to eastern Canada, Alberta has never been able to overrule Canada in any legislation. We’ve never had our way, so to speak. In this, there’s nothing that we’ve received that we’re both responsible for and have benefitted disproportionately at the expense of eastern Canada.

      Federal debt is now about $161.0 billion. If we say that Alberta was responsible for, say, 15 percent of the debt incurred by eastern Canada — an amount that’s arguably generous already- then Alberta’s share of Federal debt is $10.7 billion. [Ed.: $161.0 B /4.3 million (AB population) = $71.6B, times 15% = $10.7B]
      There are other ways to calculate it, like arguing a zero Alberta portion due to offsetting factors — such as the incredible NEP damage in the 1980’s for instance. Likewise, it could also be argued that while Albertans themselves were demonstrably opposed to most eastern spending schemes, their representatives were complicit in some of them. Alberta’s responsibility for Federal debt could go over 17 percent or even 20 percent of nominal per capita share. [Ed.: being $10.7 B at 15%, $12.2B at 17%, and $14.3B at 20%]. But that’s still only about three grand per head, even at the top end of the range. [Ed.; being per capita $2,497.30 at 15%, $2,830.27 at 17%, and $3,329.73 at 20%].

      Inflation adjustment would be negligible, around a quarter billion, assuming an average rate of about two and a half percent per year since 1984. Regardless of where in the range the debt allocation figure lands, the balance will be workable. Indeed, it will be a big reduction in Alberta’s debt burden.

      1. Canada’s national government debt in 2024 was $1,520 Billion USD, or at $1.44 CAD to 1 USD, $2.2 trillion CAD. At 12%, based on population, $262 billion is Alberta’s share. Studies have indicated that Alberta has paid more into the fed coffers than services received, about $600 billion more over 20 years so in effect Canada would have to pay $240 Billion CAD for Alberta to leave -in US funds please as the CAD would be worthless. Note this doesn’t go into the question of where the money went or who should be responsible for the debt.
        This is the danger of a Mark Carney’s enviro-activist government. Threatening Alberta’s major industry would force separation. Forget joining the US as they too often vote democrat.
        And as for my handle, last fed election, I voted Maverick.

  21. After a recent volunteer community directors meeting the topic of Alberta separation was discussed. Seven of the eight directors said they would vote for Alberta separation in a heartbeat. The lone holdout waffled. He could not give one example of a benefit to Alberta staying in Canada. This community is in Danelle Smith’s riding. Maybe Danielle should hold a separation vote just for her riding and for informational purposes only. The results might greatly astound Canada.

  22. “There’s a monument that stands at the Alamo, it’s there not because they won…but because they fought.”

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