42 Replies to “We Have Questions”

  1. Two left wingers spinning. Yawn. I Googled Efrat Fenigson and there is no mention of her being a journalist. Efrat Fenigson “is VP Marketing at Mindspace, a global operator of flexible workspaces, with over 30 locations in Europe, the UK and the US. Efrat is a tech and marketing expert, and a co-founder of G-CMO, Israel’s community of CMO’s in global companies.” As for Weinstein? Weinstein describes himself as politically liberal, progressive, and left-libertarian.
    So typically they talk a lot like Ilhan and Tlaib.

  2. Weinstein thought Israel was formed in 1967, apparently unaware that it was 1948. His guest did not correct him and sounded more sympathetic to the Palestinians than seems to be warranted under the current circumstances. I tuned out at that point.

  4. Good questions in the video – why no advance warning of the attack and why so slow to react? As always, knowing who stands to benefit in what way from this war helps a broader understanding. Staying tuned.

      1. Military state of alert is driven by intel cueing. When intel fails, well, you see the reults. Double that during an important religious holiday. Who is going to cancel leave of armed forces members on iffy intelligence when things are quieter than they have ever been? It only took a few hours/half a day for Israel to spool up, not a bad performance. What is really dumb though, is that Israel has gun control?

        1. “What is really dumb though, is that Israel has gun control?”

          That was a shocker for me as well. I remember 30 years ago when many Israelis carried Uzis back and forth to work….what happened?

  5. Is it time for an update on the 9/11 “Dancing Israelis”? It seems appropriate given a lot of SDA posters seem to think the Israelis would never act in a way as to allow severe collateral damage in implementing an action related to their geopolitical strategy.

    I don’t believe that’s true based on the story of the Dancing Israelis. Fred from BC helpfully posted a link to a “debunking” of the Dancing Israelis story, which actually helps crystallize for me some of the timing of key events, the reason being you can cross-check the key witness statements to the FBI and later to the ABC interview. And although I’d looked through it before, I retrieved the FBI report (heavily redacted but still providing a lot of useful corroborating evidence) to refresh my memory so I get the details right.

    It turns out there were 2 witnesses to the white van with the three “high fiving” Israelis taking video and still photos from the top of the van. Both FBI 302 reports indicate the van was parked when the witnesses first saw it. That’s a key point since witness 1 claims her friend called her “immediately” after feeling the building shake and hearing the boom. And she picked up the binoculars to look at the WTC as she hung up the phone. I would say and so does the witness that she saw the van before 9AM, actually maybe as much as 10 minutes before 9AM so for sure before the 2nd plane hit.

    The 2nd witness claims his co-worker (he was painting an apartment at Doric Towers) informed him, and I quote “less than 5 minutes after the 1st plane hit the North tower of the WTC”. At that point he looks out the window and sees the 3 men atop the white van. Although his own estimate is this was 9:00 to 9:10, it sounds more like it was before 9AM, if the “less than 5 minutes” is correct. So it appears both witnesses saw the celebrating Israelis before the 2nd plane hit.

    Why is this important?

    Because the evidence indicates beyond a reasonable doubt that the Dancing Israelis were celebrating the 1st crash into the north WTC tower, before anyone knew it was a terrorist attack.

    One can see why an Israeli might celebrate a terrorist attack as it would surely wake the US to the Islamic threat, but how would they know it was a terrorist attack at 8:55 on 9/11?

      1. Even if true (which I doubt), so what? What does it prove? But I’ll play. How would they know it was a terrorist attack? Hmm. I guess it could have been a non terrorist attack.
        I’m sure there were lefty Americans who danced, as well. Wouldn’t that be worse?

        1. “How would they know it was a terrorist attack?”

          That’s my whole point. Before 9 AM on 9/11 no one thought this was a terrorist attack. But the Israelis knew it was a terrorist attack. Why would they be celebrating an accidental airplane crash?

          To help you and some of the other skeptical SDA posters here get your heads around the Israeli attitude to 9/11 I’ll note what Netanyahu said in 2008 (actually he something worse in 2001 but I can’t find the quote):

          https://foreignpolicy.com/2008/04/16/quotable-netanyahu-says-israel-benefitted-from-911/

          1. Immediately, it was obvious to anyone with a brain that this was NOT an accident. That was wishful thinking on anyone’s part who thought that. As to why anyone would be celebrating? I give you BLM and Antifa. Celebrating dead cops. Assholes all.
            And so what again, Netanyahu saying that, if true, doesn’t mean he was behind it.

        2. “I’m sure there were lefty Americans who danced, as well. Wouldn’t that be worse?”

          No because the American lefties they had no control over the event. The decision to allow 3,000 people to die or not was never presented to them. But the Israelis did have control. They could have stopped it. But they allowed 3000 people die, because it helped the Israeli cause, maybe in their minds a small price to pay for the security of Israel.

          1. Could have stopped it? How? These were American planes hijacked by Muslim terrorists who infiltrated the US. The entire system security system failed. Even if it somehow benefited Israel, debatable, so what? Judging by what’s happened this week how did it help Israeli security?

          2. You do know Israel was warning the USA something was going to happen and the USA ignored the wanring right? And how exactly do Israelis stop Muslim terrorists? They’re Jews not magic genies or witches or elves with supernatural abilities.

          3. Israel will use this attack to destroy Iran.
            Logic, If not Iran will definitely destroy Israel either Nukes or terrorists coming back for more and more destruction and death.
            Everyone knows it has to be finished.

      2. “Even if true, how was it known that the three dancing men were Israelis?”

        One of the witnesses wrote down the license plate of the van due to their suspicious behaviour. They were stopped and detained on 9/11. The film in their camera confirmed they were the people on the top of the van. Within 3 months they were shipped back to Israel, on the basis of student visa violations under the immigration laws of the US.

        As Kate would say, “…oh there’s a lot lot more…” on that story.

          1. “What exactly do you think it proves?”

            It proved the Israelis are willing to accept a serious amount of collateral damage in the pursuit of the security of Israel, meaning they allowed this invasion by Hamas to happen because it was a unsavory means to a noble end.

      3. “Even if true, how was it known that the three dancing men were Israelis?”

        We know for sure that they weren’t even dancing, anyway.

    2. “Because the evidence indicates beyond a reasonable doubt that the Dancing Israelis were celebrating the 1st crash into the north WTC tower, before anyone knew it was a terrorist attack.”

      Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable, though.

      I agree, it was an odd sequence of events…but it proves nothing. Whoever these guys were, they were clearly not Mossad agents.

      (and I only posted one’ debunking’…there are others…)

  6. No, one cannot see that. Can one tell the difference between an Arab Israeli and a Jewish Israeli. Or do both dance when thousands of Americans are killed. Somehow, I doubt it. Just more of the 9/11 bull shit. Or as Rosey O’Donnell said, “Fire can’t melt steel.”

  7. So many people leaping to the conclusion supporting their own prejudices. There was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK and it was successful. That’s all we know for sure. Same with many other extreme events, often violent. Remember Las Vegas anyone? There was a conspiracy to have the Ukraine fight against Russia, and apart from the fact we know who the conspirators were, it was successful [Note: For a truly successful conspiracy, the conspirators remain unknown. ]

    For things like Pearl Harbour, 9/11 and this past weekend, I would attribute much to incompetence and complacency, rather than conspiracy.

    1. “So many people leaping to the conclusion supporting their own prejudices. There was a conspiracy to assassinate JFK and it was successful. That’s all we know for sure.”

      Unlike you? No, we don’t know that for sure. He died. For sure, we know Oswald had means, motive and opportunity. Oh … and he did it.

    2. Pearl Harbor and 9/11 couldn’t happen until it did. Same with Hamas’s attack. No one foresees it and then after everyone thinks it was obvious.

  8. Best comment yet in this interview (I paraphrase):

    “How is that Israelis know which basements Hamas is storing weapons (i.e. we bomb these specific buildings because we know where Hamas stores weapons), but we had no clue Hamas was planning an invasion”

    A very good observation on the contorted logic of the “nothing to see hear folks, an massive intelligence failure could happen to anyone” argument.

    1. Here’s why.

      Unfortunately, too many people even in Israel still refuse to admit that Rabbi Kahane was right and that Israel will be never be at peace until the last Arab squatting on Jewish land has died or fled.

      What weapons, you ask? Every Arab, everything belonging to an Arab is a potential weapon against the Jews. Israel not only has a right but a duty to destroy any building of any potential use to the enemy, and the blood of anybody inside is on their own hands. Alas, getting people indoctrinated in liberal pieties to see that isn’t worth the effort.

      If the Hamastanis want to live, all they have to do is agree to leave the Holy Land, never to return, renounce all claim to it, and leave the Jews in peace from now on.

      Where will they go? Zelensky can take them. When President Trump returns in 2025, he’s going to need all the cannon fodder he can get.

  9. “Could have stopped it? How?” (Thomas)

    I’ll give you one more detail of the Dancing Israelis story. One of the 5 deported Mossad agents had in his address book the phone number of another New Jersey moving company, which by coincidence had 4 Israeli nationals working for it and by an even bigger coincidence had moved one of the 9/11 hijackers when they were living in, I think one of the Carolina states. Pretty big coincidence wouldn’t you agree.

    These New Jersey movers/Mossad agents knew not only who was going to run the attack, but when. All they had to do is contact the FBI/CIA and say stop these passengers from boarding.

  10. “How does this help the security of Israel.” (Thomas)

    Pretty easy answer on that one. Because (allegedly) Iran supported this invasion of Hamas, the moral license and political justification with western governments for attacking Iran by the Nato/US (as Lindsey Graham is suggesting) is enabled.

  11. “You do know Israel was warning the USA something was going to happen”

    I’m not talking politicians to politicians, I’m talking Mossad calls up the CIA and say stop these people from boarding an airplane. That never happened because in Israel’s mind, the warnings about militant Islam had failed, i.e. the Americans needed a big wake up call (which they got).

    1. Right. Nothing he says is at all convincing to anyone but himself and none of it makes any sense at all.

  13. “Immediately, it was obvious to anyone with a brain that this was NOT an accident.” (Thomas)

    You mean after the first airplane hit? At first the media thought it was just a light (private) plane. All the news people knew is that the North Tower was smoking and some kind of aircraft had hit it. But the Israelis knew it was not an accident. You’re playing 2 illogical trains of thought here, first everyone knew it was a terrorist attack after the first plane hit, and then you switch gears to maybe they thought it was an accident but because they were mentally ill, they celebrated an airplane crash.

    My interpretation is the Israelis where there even before the first crash, the evidence for that is the 3 cigarette butts they found where the van was parked. It’s possible they weren’t from the Israelis, but they were right where the van was parked. I’m not sure if they were tested for DNA but I’m guessing at least one of them was a smoker and lit up a few while they were waiting for the attack on the WTC.

    The Israelis lied to the FBI about the event on some key points. They said they heard about the accident on the radio, and went and fueled up then showed up to document the event as they put it. However, they could have never made it to Doric apartments in the short time between the first radio announcement and when they were sighted and still had time to fuel up. They did fuel up that morning at a full serve gas station, and the attendant thinks they were there before the first plane hit, so that part appears true.

    2. “My interpretation is the Israelis where there even before the first crash, the evidence for that is the 3 cigarette butts they found where the van was parked. It’s possible they weren’t from the Israelis, but they were right where the van was parked. I’m not sure if they were tested for DNA but I’m guessing at least one of them was a smoker and lit up a few while they were waiting for the attack on the WTC.”

      …and just like that, you shoot down your own argument. There is not one bit of concrete evidence in the entire story to pin anything on Israel, just a whole bunch of conjecture (like yours above) and hearsay. Plus a healthy dash of coincidence, for good measure.

  14. As objective as they try to be they threw Itamar Ben-Gvir right under the bus knowing little about what level of defensive forces were intended for the Gaza Strip.

    What amazes me is, despite being thoroughly red pilled, Brett, in particular, over-estimates the “West’s” potential absent conservative governance.

    Way too much metaphor. Goliath is the globalist cabal. I suspect Israel is much like the USA, all intelligence- corrupted, all military – corrupted, all federal law enforcement – corrupted. Netanyahu is in the middle of attempting to change their supreme court which has been eroded by the left. Liberal Fashism is alive and well in Israel. They left the door open and they’ll blame Bibi. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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