The Epstein saga is the worst-reported story of all time.
The world’s leading news organizations on a regular basis print easily debunked untruths. Crucial details, like a federal case built on a recovered memory, the chief accuser being an epic fabulist, or nearly a billion dollars in civil claims won by “survivors” who themselves may be “professional recruiters” (as one victim put it to me), are left out of coverage. Almost all of the drama is concentrated in the expectation of revelations around things that still theoretically could be true, like underage hijinks with a Clinton or Trump, or an arrangement with the Mossad, but the absence of evidence of these things is rarely reported.
Inconvenient facts excised, reporters have used remaining details to build the mother of conspiracy tales, a keyhole through which the world may see All The Secrets, except the evidence doesn’t support the marquee. On closer examination, most elements of popular belief about Epstein collapse, leaving a manic, breathlessly wrong legend that’s on track to be remembered as a combination of Salem and The Protocols of the Elders of Zion.
Including — everything you ever wanted to know about Virginia Giuffre but they were afraid to tell you.
On the day that the police, FBI, US Marshals, sheriffs? entered the Epstein mansion in NYC with the safe cracking unit (I think that crew is capable of some amazing work) and a search warrant covering all areas… I’d read on a few news services that they found the papers (not referred to as an “Epstein List” but definitely inferred as something) and photos, videos, recordings, all sorts of media on CD or DVD and a room adjacent which had recording devices from ALL ROOMS in the mansion connected through this room, so there wasn’t anywhere in the building where one could be active and not be recorded. Similar stories told of the building in the Virgin Islands property where more of the sex trading had occurred, all of it on tape or digital recording.
THEN read that because the people recorded were so “high up” on the list of untouchables that the evidence would never be shown to mortals.
and now, reality bites.
I’d dearly love to see incriminating evidence of Bill Clinton in compromising images, hopefully with Prince Randy cheering him on, let’s face it they don’t need actual evidence for most folks to be convinced of their ways
Should be happy enough to read through the names of those who visited his island, that’s still not easily explained without wink wink nudge nudge.
That Matt Taibbi seems to be the only person who is saying this suggests (to me, at least) that his is the most credible take.
The Epstein conspiracy tale keeps expanding with every new non-revelation. When every intelligence agency in the western world is on a plot that involves “thousands” of trafficked children and scores of billionaires and prominent politicians, eh… I’m out. It’s getting too stupid.
The DOJ said it was 1,200 victims including family members, just saying.
https://redstate.com/wardclark/2025/12/19/epstein-files-dropping-now-1200-victims-high-profile-links-revealed-n2197307
I want a definition of “victim” here.
I imagine it’s whatever the DOJ decides it to be.
And I’m wondering where the “thousands” of trafficked children came from.
“And I’m wondering where the “thousands” of trafficked children came from.”
Likely recruited by the nameless victims?
“ … including family members …”
So, there were 12 so-called victims … x hundreds of their extended families … with hands extended looking for a payday?
But the DOJ would never exaggerate numbers to make their tissue paper thin case APPEAR scary-bad … now would they? No Federal Agency would stage photographs at MaraLago to frame-up a populist POTUS now would they? I’d like to paraphrase… beware the militarized industrialized conspiracy theories aimed at PDJT … there are a LOT of people making a fabulous living off the multiple farces.
“So, there were 12 so-called victims … x hundreds of their extended families … with hands extended looking for a payday?”
You’re just making it up as you go along.
And you throw in the Mar-a-Lago frameup just to muddy the issue.
How would you know what I’m making up? Pssst … it’s the DOJ committing the deliberate subterfuge by writing cryptic messages in ‘Clinton-speak’ … not me. I’m simply pointing out the parsing of their deceptive language.
And how would you know what I’m making up … when we are denied all access to the identity of the victims, or the actual testimony and cross examination?
Why do you WANT to BELIEVE all these girls so hard? Did you BELIEVE Anita Hill when she claimed Clarence Thomas put one of his pubic hairs on her can of Coke?
There you go again muddying the issue again by bringing up Anita Hill.
And tell us what cryptic messages the DOJ is writing.
I know you are making things up because you smear the families “looking for a payday” even though you know nothing about them. Also there were more than 12 victims and you know it.
And there you go with your cognitive dissonance again and again … you obviously hate the pursuit of truth and evidence … instead preferring rumor and innuendo.
Elvis Costello pretty much summed up this story … long before it happened. Why? Because this is all a very old story … one that’s been told for the entirety of human history
https://youtu.be/4gihAiZlG1U?si=ZJ-tPsjnWD9SaeVM
Love is always scarpering or cowering or fawning
You drink yourself insensitive and hate yourself in the morning
To murder my love is a crime
But will you still love a man out of time?
You should check out all this poets lyrics … about powerful men going slumming for women. Yeah, perhaps this was autobiographical. A Man out of Time … wrong age … and his love and life snuffed out.
Yeah, when I want deep insights into the Epsteain mess I always turn to an Elvis Costello tune.
As for this: “you obviously hate the pursuit of truth and evidence … instead preferring rumor and innuendo”, FO Kenji, the dude whose forte is stream-of-conciousness blathering full of irrelevant nonsense pretending to be deep thoughts.
Only people who KNOW they’re WRONG about their beliefs and arguments … resort to name calling and middle school jealousy. Don’t worry, I never take people like you seriously when your arguments disintegrate into ad-hominem attacks.
Have a nice day and joyous Christmas.
Says the putz who repeatedly called me a tranny, a tranny enabler and gay.
Speaking of ad-hominem attacks, what the hell is this supposed to be, a love tap:
“you obviously hate the pursuit of truth and evidence … instead preferring rumor and innuendo.”
Kamala Kenji, you really are a piece of work.
Agreed. Taibbi is a credible source with good contacts.
One problem here is that Eppstein knew a hell of a lot of people. Guilt by association will drag a whole bunch of innocent peole into public view.
Until the ‘victims’ provide credible proof of criminal acts in public, the conspiracy therories will continue to spread.
If Trump were clearly involved, Democrats would have released the info long ago.
That’s the key point, isn’t it?
If there was documentation, photos, videos, recordings of Trump fulfilling the leftist wildest hallucinations, it would have been used in 2015.
Or 2016, 2017, etc, etc.
Still being withheld? The video documentation. It’s not being recognized. There was a bullshit excuse why it’s not out, released, etc. The hint was it was of poor quality and virtually useless.
Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight.
Thanks Joe Strummer …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxgWtbMnKfs
There are more Epstein victims than unmarked FN graves. This morning I saw a photo of Donald Trump with a young girl whose face was redacted. Problem is the photo of Trump is very recent. So … is this still going on or are people making stuff up?
So, you saw a picture of Trump with a young girl.
Me too – Trump frequently plays golf with his dranddaughter.
What’s your point.
Love your analogy! And it is apparent both ‘stories’ are being unearthed via GPR … a blunt tool that deliberately offers a fuzzy, undefined … anomaly. So people who WANT to unearth all manner of horrors committed by people they viscerally HATE … cling to their fantasies. Actual TRUTH and PROOF are just silly things compared to the “storytellers” tales.
Despite literally HUNDREDS of adult women claiming Trump “sexually abused them” … not a single one of their stories has passed the bullshit test … which is what our COURTS were designed by our Constitution to do. Funny thing … when EVIDENCE, and Cross Examination, are on the table … all the accusers wilt-away.
So the Epstein case is exactly what the TDS patients needed. Underage girl “victims” whose identities MUST be shielded BY LAW (Puhleeeeeeeze!?) … are the perfect, unassailable vehicle to finally GET Trump. The entire fraud is underpinned by a GPR enabled legal system that conveniently sidesteps THE LAW … The Constitutional RIGHT to public trial and the right to face your accuser.
And … the actual SHOVELS IN THE DIRT … should have been the Ghislane Maxwell trial … but the actual “victims” and “testimony” was blocked by *cough* *cough* … Federal Law.
And … the actual SHOVELS IN THE DIRT … would have been the Epstein Trial … but he *cough* *cough* … committed suicide.
Perhaps the REAL conspiracy of the Epstein affair is how our Federal Government has weaponized rumor and innuendo … while denying their targets a FAIR … Constitutionally protected day in Court. Yeah … “the process is the punishment”. And what a “process” this has been.
Sorry, but I live in the REAL WORLD of Proof and Truth. I live in a world where only SHOVELS can turn over “dirt”. Guess I am simply another Man Out of Time.
https://youtu.be/i-K2WcbDJf0?si=jN3yR_ZJvKFzyP3n
“Despite literally HUNDREDS of adult women claiming Trump “sexually abused them”
More made up BS.
Also, I don’t recall the “targets”, as you call them, suffering much in the way of punishment.
Why don’t you name them, you who is always clamoring for names of victims.
Are you REALLY this dense?
https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/list-trumps-accusers-allegations-sexual-misconduct/story?id=51956410
Yes, that’s only 18 in this batch … but I can’t be troubled assembling a larger list. Doncha remember the tactic of collecting LOTS of accusers … because … as the leftist logic goes … not ALL those women could be wrong … huge numbers of accusers in and of itself renders Trump guilty. Hey! I didn’t make that up … it’s the leftists character assassination base tactic.
More BS piled on BS. But keep trying Kamala Kenji.
[deleeted, enough with the flamewars. -ED]
The s*****gs on the left in the US have been taking photos of Trump that are either of family, or (in the case of one last week) a publicity photo with a bunch of adult Hawaiian Tropic models at Mar a Lago, and adding black bars over the female faces.
They say the pictures are from the Epstein case when they are not, knowing that a law that was passed said faces can only be covered in the Epstein case photos if the person covered up is a minor or a victim.
Leftist morons on the internet are posting the photos all over as proof Trump was involved with young girls, when they aren’t even connected to the case.
So what’s been “misreported”? I’m all effing ears. What and where is the lie?
That Epstein didn’t graduate from University but taught Math and Physics at Dalton School? How does that work?
That he wasn’t
fired…I’m sorry “dismissed” for poor performance and there weren’t concerns of inappropriate behaviour towards female students? That was “misreported” was it?That Epstein wasn’t convicted in 2008 of procuring women for prostitution and soliciting a minor and sentenced to only 18 months prison to the utter disgust of Palm Beach police…and that Mike Cernovich moved heaven and earth to have those records unsealed?
That Epstein isn’t a registered sex offender?
That his long time pal Ghislaine Maxwell wasn’t convicted in 2021 and serving 20 years for trafficking underage girls for the purpose of sex?
That Epstein made gobs of money at Bear Stearns which enabled him to buy multiple properties including an island and a townhouse in Manhattan?
That these very same properties didn’t have recording devices of any kind and as such were totally on the up and up?
That Virginia Giuffre was lying when she said her and Royal Sweathog, Prince Andrew had sex on several occasions, an accusation vehemently denied by Andy as totally false because, y’know, “the infamous photo of him and her together was totally doctored”
And that he paid Ms.Giuffre some money as an act of charity? And that the royals don’t have an abnormal amount of pedophiles as pals?
But now she and others are “fabulists” ? Why…cause Dershowitz said so?
Reminds me of Covid hoax several years ago and on this very board. Some bought into it hook line and sinker and slammed others who took a more prudent “Wait a minute…something isn’t right here” approach as being conspiracy theory whack jobs”
I’ll take the same attitude here. I’m perfectly willing to wait and let the chips fall where they may. If nothing comes out of it…fine. I’ve got other shit on my mind.
Did you see Virginia Giuffre’s injuries from the bus accident? What are your thoughts on that?
Quit pretending she’s the only who’s stepped forward.
I haven’t. What are your thoughts on her bus accident injuries?
A very troubled woman who lied but is now dead by her own hand. Now that she’s dead… smear away. Sure glad I’m not judged for the few things I’ve said or done in my life. How ’bout you?
Second thought – it may have kept me out of jury duty.
Another one lied but got caught in that very same lie and paid her off only because he had the means to do so. Life goes on of course. At night he’ll have the usual Scotch ‘n’ cigars along with his creepy pedophile pals and say “Pity all that” in between puffs.
So there it is – a tale of two lives and along with it my thoughts.
https://nypost.com/2025/04/03/world-news/bus-driver-refutes-epstein-accuser-virginia-roberts-giuffre-collision-claims/
Yeah … 81 yo driver with no injuries … but Virginia is beat to hell? Doesn’t pass the smell test.
Burpton
Yer TDS is showing, as is yer STUPIDITY.
Admittedly I have my shortcomings and people will point them out. And I’m up for a little critique every so often.
And I’m loathe to respond to any of your idiocies, but while I’m here let me just say: You have to be the dumbest one trick pony, MF’er on this board, bar none.
If it’s Tourettes or another malady that makes you blurt out non sequiturs, I could cut you some slack. Apart from that you’re a box of rocks.
Both of you can cut the namecalling.
Burpton
Thanks for the compliment!
“Did you see Virginia Giuffre’s injuries from the bus accident? What are your thoughts on that?”
I had to look that one up. An eye-opener, to say the least.
The grand old Duke of York.
He had six million quid.
He gave it to someone he never met,
for something he never did.
😉
“That these very same properties didn’t have recording devices of any kind and as such were totally on the up and up?”
This, for one thing:
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Federal law enforcement recovered six recording devices during searches of Jeffrey Epstein’s properties. Photos from inside his Manhattan mansion also showed at least two hidden video cameras in the corner of his bedroom and an adjacent room
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This is a far cry from “hidden surveillance cameras in every room”. That particular accusation seems to stem from statements made by one of Epstein’s ‘victims’ (like Kate, I want another definition of ‘victim’…teenaged and 20-something prostitutes just don’t work for me, sorry).
This girl claims that she was *shown* the master control room by Epstein himself, a room so secret that it was accessed via a hidden staircase, with a bank of monitors showing video feeds from all the bedrooms and bathrooms. Really? He just took you down there and trusted you not to reveal his greatest secret?
“But now she and others are “fabulists” ? Why…cause Dershowitz said so?”
No, because they all split MILLIONS of dollars to keep quiet about the so-called ‘abuse’ they had suffered. They have the audacity to hold a press conference calling for the government to “release he names” or “they will”…but then they DON’T (obviously because they all signed NDAs, and would then have to give the money back). They have as much credibility with me as the residential school ‘survivors’ have.
But most damning of all, of course, is the fact that the Biden administration chose to sit on all this information for years while they watched Donald Trump defeat every desperate, unethical legal move they made to take him down. That’s the bottom line here: if there was ANY actual evidence they could have used against Trump, they would have released it as soon as all their other efforts to stop him from running again had failed. Guaranteed.
Ghislaine Maxwell stated in her proffer interview (July 25) that she had no knowledge of hidden surveillance cameras in the private properties, beyond routine security cameras.
Why would she choose that hill to void her immunity on, given the DOJ stating they were in possession of video? It seems like a stupid, pointless lie with only downside for her.
Well Kate, there were things I never told my wife, so she may tell others those things never happened because she never saw them , or wasn’t told about them. Epstain may just have kept her in the dark, bc women can never keep their pieholes shut about privileged knowledge.
Exactly.
If you read her interview, then yes — she had much less contact with him than most are assuming, so “kept in the dark” could well apply.
“Why would she choose that hill to void her immunity on, given the DOJ stating they were in possession of video? It seems like a stupid, pointless lie with only downside for her.”
Exactly.
Ghislaine Maxwell may be a flawed human being, but she is clearly not stupid…and she would need to be, to take such an incomprehensible position. She knew more about Epstein and his day-to-day life than anyone else, and everyone involved in this case knows that.
… convicted in 2008 of procuring women for prostitution and soliciting a minor …
Huh? Yet not a single prostituted “victim” has sued a single John who ‘did them’ … who actually MADE them a “prostitute” … in a CRIMINAL court … for committing a CRIME? Why is that? Where is the CRIMINAL prosecution for an actual (wealthy, important) man, actually having intercourse with an underage “Epstein prostitute”?
Sorry … the Epstein prosecution doesn’t cut it. Why wouldn’t the Deep State DOJ prosecute the actual man who dipped his wick into an underaged “Epstein prostitute”? Seriously … you don’t find that odd? How can Epstein be procuring a “prostitute” … if no actual case for prostitution is filed?
Perhaps it’s because there was no prostitution … just as Virginia G. had to recant all her stories about Alan Dershowitz schtupping her … multiple times? Yeah, she misremembered those alleged incidents. Funny how that happens when Dershowitz called her bluff and said “Let’s get it on” … let’s go to court and give your claims the light of an actual FAIR Trial.
This entire affair sounds … sketchy.
Since when do prostitutes sue their johns. Since never.
No … the State prosecutes CRIMES. Such as selling sex … which is still a crime in most jurisdictions. And esp. a crime when committed against “children”. The GOVERNMENT files the cases. So why haven’t they? Again with your cognitive dissonance.
You started your comment with this, that’s what I commented on:
“not a single prostituted “victim” has sued a single John who ‘did them’”
But you don’t respond to that and instead deflect by implying I don’t know that the state prosecutes crimes.
Deflection, along with muddying the waters, is a common tactic you use when challenged on some nonsense you’ve spurted out.
There are many such examples in some of your above comments.
You’re sure a persistent troll … who incorrectly seizes on ONE sentence I post and ignore the rest …
Why wouldn’t the Deep State DOJ prosecute the actual man who dipped his wick into an underaged “Epstein prostitute”?
Yes, I clearly said THE STATE needs to bring criminal charges. But ya know what? Any and every DA will tell you that if they try to bring charges of statutory RAPE without the full cooperation and participation of the actual girl … is near impossible to get a conviction. For instance when the DA brings charges against a 23yo man who was having sex with a 14yo girl. The parents want to press charges … but the daughter “loves” her older boyfriend and won’t participate in the trial. Most DA’s won’t waste their time, as they won’t likely get a conviction. So yes, the actual victim MUST participate in bringing charges against her rapist.
You’re so focused on playing ‘gotcha’ with my comments, that you miss the main point entirely. I won’t suggest you have a strange personality defect … but … well … you kinda keep compulsively doing this
My next band: the Sued Johns. We’re a rare bunch!
From sinner to saint in one afternoon that’s gotta be some kind of record.
I’m sure the the story of Epstein being a solid member of the Feed the Children Foundation will be leaked out any day now.
This Epstein story is working well I see.
Venezuela is working well too, but needs more time.
https://x.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/2003132974678892750/photo/2
Quick! Someone do a background check and see if any one of these girls may have lied at some time.
A list of Democrat-funded useful idiot (“victims”). Sex workers Puhleeeze!?
Yeah, that’s right – It’s a huge Democrat initiated psyop perpetrated by those nasty Snidely Whiplashes of the Democrat Party.
“Democrat funded”
Hilarious.
I’ll suspend reality for a bit and pretend it isn’t a bipartisan effort to release everything…and by everything I mean without redactions.