Why Are These People Worse Than We Ever Imagined?

8 Replies to “Why Are These People Worse Than We Ever Imagined?”

1. There’s an interesting point which emerges from Peterson’s analysis. It’s the delusion, “I will never be caught.”

   This demolishes the notion of punishment for crime being deterrence. It’s not. No criminal thug ever thinks of the prospect of being caught.

   So punishment cannot be about deterrence. It’s about garbage disposal. Some criminals may be capable of being reformed. Perhaps some can be recycled into better people.

   But for most, we see the all-too-common case of people caught and convicted committing dozens of vile crimes. There’s no hope here. A noose tied to a rock at the bottom of a lake should be sufficient.

   1. But, but, but … rehabilitation!! … aren’t you a compassionate person? As Gad Saad called them … the “suicidal compassionate”. When did I stop caring about rehabilitation? When I learned that 85% of all crimes are committed by 7% of the criminals. Nope. They’re not about to learn anything except how to become a better thief.

      1. They were never ‘habilitated’ in the first place, thus ‘re-habilitation’ is impossible.

   2. Besides thinking they will never be caught, I read that violent criminals typically don’t fear the police because they believe they can effectively handle any confrontation with them.

      They also don’t fear the judge because they believe they will quickly be granted bail or receive a light sentence.

      Note, I’m talking about violent criminals here.

      That’s why armed self-defence needs to be allowed everywhere, to take down the bastard before he gets a chance to act.

      Alas, I know that is just a pipedream in most jurisdictions, but still legal in most (much?) of the US and done vigilante style in Brazil.

   3. This is a complex topic that virtually everyone gets wrong.

      First of all, “85% of crime” is not committed by 7% of the population. 85% of violent crime is. That distinction matters (and it’s also important to distinguish whether “violent” crime includes purely property crime or “victimless” crime).

      All these crime statistics come from criminals that are caught and processed by the system. We have no way of knowing how much crime occurs but is never reported or which is reported and ignored. So there’s already a huge distortion of the data. Add to that the fact that it is very common for plea deals for violent crimes to reduce the charges to non-violent offenses to secure a conviction, and prosecution’s habit of loading up a defendant with dozens of spurious charges for negotiating pressure and the truth is we have no idea how much crime is actually being committed and by who and for what reasons if all we look at is arrest and conviction data.

      The best sociological research available[1] indicates that most crime of all kinds is opportunistic and impulsive, and what deters crime is not severity of punishment but the likelihood of being caught (because as you correctly note, no one plans a crime thinking they’ll be caught. They’re planning not to be). Take red light cameras and photo radar – the fines aren’t significant, but people sure as hell stop running red lights and slow down because they think they’re a lot more likely to get caught.

      For the violent crime committed by repeat offenders, there’s a lot of merit in the “ship ’em all to Ellesmere Island” model. But the law is a very blunt instrument, and it’s hard to get laws that remove irredeemable sociopaths from society without also banging up 19-year-olds for twenty years for possessing a handful of joints.

      [1] Yes, I’m aware “best” is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

2. I watched that whole thing, despite being an atheist, because I had never really seen Jordan Peterson speak.

   Wow. He really IS as smart as people say he is.

3. “The human heart is the most deceitful of all things, and desperately wicked. Who really knows how bad it is?
   Jer 17:9

4. Immense feelings of moral superiority uplift the average liberal racist, literally ask them about children being raped and you’re met with a blank stare, not their problem in their mind.

   Liberalism is a mental disorder, but the diagnosis should be more specific, the average liberal racist voter is a narcissistic sociopath.