26 Replies to “Down The Primrose Path”

  1. It was the Brits who lobbied the US to let the Ukes launch long-range missiles into Russia.
    They used Brit built missiles.
    The Brit people are pissed.

  2. Putin can withdraw at any time. Regarding escalation:

    – Putin escalated in 2007 when – for the first ever – he created a narrative about a “betrayal by NATO”. Gorbachevs own comments in 1996 completely destroyed this false narrative.

    – Putin escalated in 2008 when he invaded Georgia
    – Putin escalated in 2013 when he interfered with Ukraine joining the EU. It was a key part of Yanukovych’s election campaign
    – Putin escalated in 2014 when he invaded Crimea
    – Putin escalated in 2014 when he started and fueled the conflict in the Donbas. See Igor Girkins comments on this for clarification
    – Putin lied about being in Crimea and Donbas for some time
    – Putin further escalated when he got his propagandists to distort OSCE reports on the Donbas conflict, creating the “8 year genocide” out of thin air
    – 2020 and 2021 saw the lowest activity all along the front after Zelensky was elected and had an agreement with Putin
    – civilian deaths plummeted to 25 per year, mostly due to mines and UXO
    – Despite this, Putin escalated in 2022 from a nearly frozen conflict to the one we have now

    As far as “red lines”:

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_lines_in_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War#:~:text=The%20term%20red%20lines%20has,%22cross%20the%20red%20line%22.

    Ukraine has every right to defend itself. The ICBM would’ve likely been used anyways. It doesn’t take a genius to figure that out.

    1. “On Thursday, the Ukrainian city of Dnipro was hit by a Russian air strike which eyewitnesses described as unusual, triggering explosions that went on for three hours.” – BBC

      This fight is none of our business, if Ukraine wants to fight Russia, that’s none of our business either. It’s not our business who rules over a bunch of Russian speakers on the other side of the planet.

      Most of the “Ukrainian Navy” defected to Russia or simply quit after Russia took Crimea without firing a shot. Didn’t fire a shot, kept the same officials in place, no popular uprisings have happened, despite the fact that Russia has its hands full right now.

      Nobody cares. Whatever it is that Ukraine is fighting for, It’s not worth the 1% chance of nuclear war, or even the .01% chance of one, because it’s not our fight. It’s Joe Biden’s fight, and the fight of his son’s clients, but it’s not our fight.

      1. Hitler would’ve loved you when he invaded Sudetenland in 1938. Why should we care? Let him take it. He will be happy.

        You won’t believe what happened next!

        1. Compared to Hitler’s army, Putin’s army is a ragtag militia. He doesn’t even have a large enough army to fully occupy Ukraine. Nazi Germany steamrolled the Ukraine. Russia is huge. It has a very long border with China, it doesn’t need Europe. All it wants from Europe is for Europe to stop attacking it. Europe has no resources to speak of, which is why invasions invariably flow east. Sweden, France, Germany.

          Or are you going to bring up Hitler ally, Finland?

        2. Slovenia declared independence and Hungary threatened the Czechs, leading Hitler to intervene. The relevance to today’s situation is clear, if you’re a complete idiot.

      2. A war for a place at the trough, and that’s the only reason this war was allowed to happen.
        And most other things that have crippled the west.
        Greed combined with absolute, incompetent, unaccountable pigs.
        And they don’t give a fk about you.

    2. “Putin can withdraw at any time.”

      Or stay as long as he likes, and put himself in much better bargaining position by taking as much more territory as he can (without either destroying too much of it or sacrificing too many of his own soldiers to do so, both of which are risk/reward calculations made by him and him alone ) before the inevitable negotiations begin.

  3. When your own country is invaded, there are no red lines for defending yourself.

    Israel knows this.

    Ukraine should have been allowed ‘weapons free’ from day 1.

    1. Is Ukraine more important than Canada? If you think it is, you should get on a plane and join the fight.

    2. “When your own country is invaded, there are no red lines for defending yourself.”

      Russia=Canada and Ukraine=Quebec in this scenario. Since Canada seems to have a province that wants nothing to do with the rest of the country and identifies more with a foreign nation than they do with us (France in our case and the Donbass and Crimea in their case), forgive me if I don’t get too upset at the thought of France invading Quebec: they can have it. The rest of Canada? OH HELL NO. But Quebec? Go ahead…they want to be French citizens anyway.

  4. I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised that the “we have 60 days of nuclear poker left” line is literally from the front page of a Russian propaganda outlet. And you lot get upset when accused of regurgitating Russian talking points.

    1. Is it false? We are citizens in a democracy and we have a right to know the facts so that we can vote responsibly. So I ask again, are we, or are we not in a game of nuclear poker where all of our lives are at stake?

      If Russia happens to tell the truth once in a while, and Ukrainians don’t want us to hear it, is it our duty to believe lies?

      1. Confucius say: “If you want to make a conservative mad, lie to her, if you want to make a Ukraine supporter mad, tell him the truth.”

    2. “I suppose I shouldn’t have been surprised that the “we have 60 days of nuclear poker left” line is literally from the front page of a Russian propaganda outlet. And you lot get upset when accused of regurgitating Russian talking points.”

      Coming from someone who mindlessly regurgitates Ukrainian propaganda, that’s hilarious.

      Yes, by all means, let’s keep pumping more and more money and weaponry into Ukraine to fight their losing battle, because it has *worked so well* so far, right?

  5. We can argue about who started it all but, how much of the unaudited 200+ billion sent to Ukraine went to actually fighting the war.

    My guess would be 10%.

  6. “Bingo….It was and Ukraine remains a slush fund country for Nato Neo Cons and globalist filth.”

    It all ends in January anyway. People with any morality or integrity would end it now, but I guess they just can’t resist squeezing a few BILLION dollars more profit out of the situation before it ends. The hell with the lives lost.

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