33 Replies to “Looks like another conspiracy theory has proven to be true”

  3. We never went to the moon.

    There, I provided just as much documentation of an incident as your linked post did. While I believe the comment to be true, there is nothing at that link to back that up. I’m not sure I understand the purpose of this thread. Just saying.

    What the poster COULD have provided is confirmation of the valued eight figured residence purchased by Zelensky in Piccadilly Plaza, London, UK. That would have shown corruption. ;D Or, perhaps his transfer of his off shore corporate accounts into his wife’s name, while the press conveniently fails to even mention them. Or maybe we could highlight Zelensky’s appearance in the Pandora Papers over a decade ago.

  4. And chemtrails are poisoning us. Another internet theory. I suppose this type of post is Chinese or Russian inspired to further foment mistrust in our governments and our systems, sort of like the “the election was fixed” threads you see everywhere on the ‘net.
    It’s SO easy for a publicity seeker to just post an idea that popped into his fevered brain with the challenge,”prove me wrong”.

    Sigh

  5. The warmongers are the ones that believe the Kremlin propaganda: 8 year genocide, bioweapons labs, NATO promised not to expand east, Boris Johnson scuttled a peace deal, etc.

    No different than Iraq has undeclared WMD and mobile weapons labs.

    Is it a coincidence that the ones that believed the latter – but won’t admit it – now believe the former?

    1. “Is it a coincidence that the ones that believed the latter – but won’t admit it – now believe the former?”
      It may or may not be a coincidence (as I am one that believed the latter and now the former).
      But you missed a couple of critical facts:

      1. Reagan promised Gorbachev that NATO would not expand to the east (and I remember that).
      2. During Senate testimony, Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland confirmed there were bioweapons labs (biological research facilities) in Ukraine:
      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRxi4QLQITY
      3. I’m NOT a warmonger. We have no business in Ukraine, as there is no clear & present danger to the US from the conflict there. The ‘Color Revolution’ coup engineered by Victoria Nuland, and the threat to expand NATO into Ukraine are the two main issues that caused this senseless war. We’re not the good guys this time around.

      So suffice it to say that what we now believe is true.

    2. alla unME
      So yer sayin that norwegen Joo, stoltenberg is a liar? He stated that they, NATO, has been at war with Russia since 2014. Try reading some were other than reddit.

        1. News Flash:

          The Sevastopol Naval Base (in Crimea) is Russia’s ONLY warm water navy base. Since WWII they have made it obvious that they would NEVER give it up. So no, Russia didn’t start the war when they invaded Crimea. Ukraine triggered the war when they threatened to take Sevastopol Naval Base away from Russia.

          You should have have stayed awake in World History class.

          1. What ridiculous logic. None of the other Russian porta in the Black Sea exist?

            Even of they didn’t exist, that doesn’t mean they have any right to invade Crimea. They voluntarily agreed to the 1991 borders and had a lease on Sevastopol until 2047.

        2. Sometimes it’s better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you’re an idiot rather than to open it and prove them right…

  6. What money actually went to Ukraine?

    Just because someone says money was sent to Ukraine, doesn’t mean any money was sent.

    For example: In January 2023 Trudeau proudly announced he was send $400 million worth of anti-air missile systems to Ukraine.

    The announcement was repeated many times. As of Nov 10, no missiles have been sent.

    The announcements were all press releases to make it appear that Trudeau was doing something. Thus, it appears that Trudeau has sent lots of money to Ukraine.

    Now the Liberals announce the first missiles have been sent, they expected to arrive in Ukraine by year end. But they’ve not yet arrived.

    The money? Spent in the US with Raytheon, and perhaps some in Norway with Kongsberg. But perhaps that’s better than spending it on immigrant hotels?????

  7. The way it works is, the military industrial complex gets the cash.
    Once they make the killing machines, they send them to Ukraine. Of course the Ukrainian ruling class gets some bribes and such to masturbate the need for the war machines.
    It’s a well thought out scheme to grease the war machine by the nonexistent American dollar, basically printed money on demand.

    See how easy things work when you can print the money?

  8. The US sends a few billion per year to help maintain the civil service and pensions in Ukraine. I’m sure a percentage of that is stolen. Almost all the 100 billion or so is US produced munitions or worn out American equipment valued in dollars. A very small amount of that is likely stolen.

  10. The eurotrash are also in for over 100b. Probably a lot of it is siphoned off to politicos who let out contracts. There’s plenty to go around.

    Ukraine is notorious for it’s corruption but I’m thinking that’s all about to change. My guess is the orange man will bring it all to a screeching hault. Borders will be redrawn shortly and the the Yanks will stop supporting Z.

    It’s over.

    1. Ukraine will not ha e a say over its borders. If it wants to remain even a rump state once the US has run out of money, it will dance to Moscow’s tune.

      On that point, in 1970, the last time the US went bust due to the double whammy of Korea and Vietnam, at least they could toss the gold standard and let the dollar float. This tine round they either dump the dollar, or undo Bretton-Woods and peg the dollar to try to save it.

      In the 1960s the US was THE industrial manufacturing power. Today? Not so much. There is limited ability for Trump to do that much – his nation’s government is bankrupt.

      It is now unfettered printing or he has to abandon the current format of the USD. The Democrats own most of the courts, and the Supremes have already shown they are not going to let Trump rule as he has to to get things done.

      I do not envy Mr. Trump the task he has before him. Step 1, throw the Ukraine shitpile into the trashcan, Step 2, rein in the Israelis, Step 3 massive, catastrophic cuts to the Federal bureaucracy. And he has to do all that in the first 3 months.

      Godspeed, Mr. Trump. But your country is now the Whore of Babylon. Its real rulers will not go quietly into the night.

      1. Using terms from Trump’s first term it is time to take out the Black Hat’s big power centre – Israel. Once that has been removed Ukraine and London and Washington and Ottawa and the EU will need a major reset. As it is Israel is running Washington and London and thus all the other puppet states. Ukraine is just a play thing that can be used to steal vast sums of money.

      2. The US has spent $18 trillion in the last 3 years. They have spent $100 billion on Ukraine. That’s like 1/2 of 1%. And it’s going to crash the economy? Remind me, where did you get your economics degree?

        1. The $100 billion was what is earmarked “for Ukraine”. That is promised to Zelensky and his thugs. Missing from the accounting is the other side of the spend: the consultants, spin doctors, MIC kickbacks (additional printing) replacement hardware and ammunition, opportunity costs. Oh and the hidden bailouts of the British and German banks whose insane loans (you forgot about all those private grants and loans, didn’t you …) to Ukraine were backstopped by promises of victory and a bright lucrative resource extraction future in Donbass. The true total cost of the Ukraine adventure is nearer to a trillion.

          The US is bankrupt. The world is now working hard to extract whatever value they can from their USD exposure. They will not be rolling it over. That is the end of US dollar hegemony. A total collapse in world reserve market share:

          https://www.imf.org/en/Blogs/Articles/2024/06/11/dollar-dominance-in-the-international-reserve-system-an-update

          Will the world return to high levels of dollar holding? Not after the US basically began replacing diplomacy with sanctions.

          It is over. Done. The US will not exist in its current form 20 years from now. The world’s supposed superpower can beat China, Iran, Russia and North Korea simultaneously with one hand tied behind their back. But can’t hold an election and declare final victories in 1-2 days. There is no fixing the cluster-fuchs that the US has become.

          1. RnR
            Thanks, now maybe the scarp can tell us were he got his polly sci degree, probably in the banks schiff house! As he is a monetary illiterate.

  11. It appears as though each conspiracy theory is a ticking time bomb … with a shorter fuse than the media is willing to admit.

    51 former Intelligence Officials agree.

  12. “DOD doesn’t have valuation guidance specific to this authority, so it can’t be assured that it will value these items accurately.”
    “The State Department doesn’t have a systematic, comprehensive approach to specifically track funding that federal agencies have provided for economic and humanitarian assistance to Ukraine. For example, State provided assistance to other countries affected by the crisis but didn’t consistently include this assistance when tracking Ukraine-related funding.”
    “Despite this, USAID does not comprehensively assess and document relevant fraud risks, including for Ukraine.”
    “As of May, USAID had obligated $22.9 billion for direct budget support for Ukraine’s government, largely to reimburse the government for eligible expenses, such as salaries for teachers, civil servants, and healthcare workers. USAID has used a layered approach to oversee this funding, with different entities responsible for providing different types of oversight—such as identifying gaps in Ukrainian government processes and conducting financial audits. However, some of these entities’ work has limitations, which affect the level of accountability their oversight provides.”
    “State and USAID had 111 implementing partners carrying out humanitarian and development assistance in Ukraine, as of September 30, 2023. The majority of these partners were U.S.-based nongovernmental organizations. When selecting these partners, State and USAID followed their own selection requirements, but some of these requirements could be bolstered to strengthen the processes for screening potential partners.”

    Seems like all of that is on purpose.

  13. Billionaire says lots of lobby money being spent on behalf the Ukraine.
    Dorks say “nuh uh.”, or even “what money?”

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