The Hill: We tried to improve COVID vaccine labeling — the FDA said ‘no thanks’
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The Hill is being highly deceptive here by claiming there is no evidence that the mRNA vaccine prevented transmission of COVID. It says…
The agency still states on its website today: “While it is hoped this will be the case, the scientific community does not yet know if Comirnaty will reduce such transmission.”
But what is “such” referring to? It’s specifically referring to transmission *FROM* a vaccinated person who has contracted COVID, a special case. It is not referring to whether the vaccine reduces the chances of transmission in general.
In fact, there was ample evidence scientific evidence that the mRNA vaccine reduced the possibility of contacting COVID in general, using the very links that The Hill provided.
The EUA for the Pfizer-BioNTech COVID-19 Vaccine for individuals 16 years of age and older was based on safety and effectiveness data from a randomized, controlled, blinded ongoing clinical trial in approximately 18,000 individuals who received the vaccine and approximately 18,000 who received a placebo. The vaccine was 95% effective in preventing COVID-19 disease among these clinical trial participants with eight COVID-19 cases in the vaccine group and 162 in the placebo group. The duration of safety follow-up for the vaccinated and placebo participants was a median of two months after receiving the second dose.
Your study is out of date. Also, there is an ongoing effort to ignore side effects from these injections. The side effects can be quite serious. Ultimately, the government had no justification for mandating the experimental injections. I think you are fighting a losing battle.
“My study” is precisely the study that The Hill cited to demonstrate that COVID vaccines had not been shown reduce transmission. Except that The Hill got it wrong. The study said the opposite.
My point is that either The Hill was being terribly sloppy or intentionally misrepresented the cited study.
There is no mechanism in the mRNA vaxes to prevent transmission. It was known from start that these were not sterilizing vaccines, despite government’s desperate attempt to imply otherwise. Data from this study has been eclipsed by real-world experience and in the real world, the vaxes do not prevent transmission, moreover, it is increasingly apparent that they do damage.
“There is no mechanism in the mRNA vaxes to prevent transmission.”
Vaccines do not attack the pathogen directly. That’s not how vaccines work. Rather they trick your immune system into believing that the body is under attack by the pathogen, and your body reacts by developing defenses against it. Thus when the real live pathogen comes along, your body is ready for it.
The idea that the vaccines did not reduce the chances of catching COVID is absurd. There have been countless scientific papers that have shown that they did, although the effectiveness reduced with time as the COVID virus mutated.
L L….Death is the most serious side effect and yes rodent the vax is killing tens of thousands.
Opinions aren’t worth crap. Present your evidence.
Lets see now. We were told.
Get the shot and no CV. That failed.
Get the shot and the C/V would not be that bad. Sure tell that to my wife who was sick for 4 longs weeks and still isn’t 100%
Then get the shot and you would not transmit it, yeah that failed too.
Not buying it.
Every Scabble drug (have you noticed the names and most have seven letters) advertised on TV spend a few seconds telling you its purpose and the rest of the time warning you of possible side effects. Yet these so called vaccines, rushed into service with little testing, apparently are the only drugs in history with zero side effects. Truly wondrous.
I don’t recall anyone claiming there were zero side effects to these vaccines.
Right. Go to a doctor and wonder if your symptoms could even possibly be due to the jab and see what you get in response. Pardon my use of a little hyperbole. You might experience some shoulder pain or feel slightly unwell for a few hours.
I have found no — zero — nada — scientific studies claiming that COVID vaccines have no side effects. Nor do I know of any medical or government authority claiming that.
Like I said. Find someone who has inquired with the medical profession. Get back to us.
You sure are defensive Bonnie! Smelling the lawsuits coming your way?
Happy with the thousands you have maimed and killed with your toxic experimental substance?
Adrian-Dix:
It isn’t MY vaccine.
But I doubt that there will be many successful lawsuits. Why? First, the vaccine makers are protected from liability, by agreement with the government. Second, the vaccine makers can point to a massive body of scientific research which shows that the vaccines are generally “safe and effective” (in Kate’s words). And specifically, the research shows there were more benefits than drawbacks to the vaccine.
@Killer “And specifically, the research shows there were more benefits than drawbacks to the vaccine.” — totally absurd, when deaths from Covid were 1% or less, and most dying from Covid were 80+, the risk to anyone under 50 was far greater with the vaxes than with Covid. Add to that multiple doses of the vax, increasing risk. Add to that Covid mortality was equal to a middle level flu season. — no justification for mass vaccination. Vaccinating large numbers of people with an experimental vax was completely misguided if it not downright sinister. I think most public health people went along with orders they were given and did not research for themselves.
Take it up with the research, not me, because in a lawsuit it’s the research which would be cited. Like this early paper of a large-scale double-blind randomized controlled study from the highly respected New England Journal of Medicine:
That’s the kind of thing which is going to appear in a court should a lawsuit ensue. The complainant better have something equally credible.
If they told the truth on the vials they’d be held legally accountable and we can’t have that.
For me, the definitive episode that proved vaccine transmission and infection failure in the real world was the Beligian research camp in the Antarctic. Despite following every public health guideline of multiple vaccinations, pre travel testing and 10 days of isolation…there was still a covid outbreak in one of the remotest parts of the world.
Real world observations vs torqued, biased lab test results.
They can keep quoting lab results but the real world observations of vaccine failure and vaccine injuries cannot be hidden. Companies and politicians tried to cover up the damage from Pandemrix and Vioxx , but eventually the truth prevailed. It takes time and effort to uncover corruption and malfeasance.
Plus they want to hide the test results for how long? Why.
To prevent lawsuits and criminal charges is my first guess. The second guess is that they want to be able to reuse the covid19 pandemic playbook and add in centralized control from international agencies.
If subnational regions (eg.US states) didn’t listen to national agencies last time, I doubt they’ll listen to international agencies next time but there’s obviously an agenda. Besides, I think some people who fell for covid19 policies feel like they were lied to so it’ll be more difficult to get the same level of compliance.
We’re living in the curse of interesting times, I suppose.
Originally – 75 years. They’ve now been ordered to provide it by 2025. Some has come out, not volunteered but forcibly, and it’s not good. It indicates a 17% adverse events and I’m not talking about site soreness or a mild headache. 1.7% should have stopped this.
They knew. Public health, politicians, regulatory agencies. They all knew. The bigger the lies they are trying to hide, the more draconian and authoritarian their policies will become…
It turns out that … ignoring science … is science.
Science is whatever “Mr. Science”, Ah, Doktor Fauci says it is.
The excess death data that John Campbell is on like a dog on a bone may be the weak link in the narrative. Canada’s is obscene, as are several other European countries, and New Zealand is also abysmal. There is a correlation with vaxxing, the higher the vax rate, the worse the excess death. That will get harder and harder to bury the further we get from the “pandemic”.
You should see Germany’s numbers.
FFS… these therapudics do not prevent infection and they do not prevent transmission full stop. They can mitigate symptom severity and may inflict negative side effects to include increased susceptibility and sudden death.
Dylan Mulvaney would do nicely as a brand ambassador.
The Hill is being highly deceptive here by claiming there is no evidence that the mRNA vaccine prevented transmission of COVID. It says…
But what is “such” referring to? It’s specifically referring to transmission *FROM* a vaccinated person who has contracted COVID, a special case. It is not referring to whether the vaccine reduces the chances of transmission in general.
In fact, there was ample evidence scientific evidence that the mRNA vaccine reduced the possibility of contacting COVID in general, using the very links that The Hill provided.
https://www.fda.gov/vaccines-blood-biologics/qa-comirnaty-covid-19-vaccine-mrna
Your study is out of date. Also, there is an ongoing effort to ignore side effects from these injections. The side effects can be quite serious. Ultimately, the government had no justification for mandating the experimental injections. I think you are fighting a losing battle.
“My study” is precisely the study that The Hill cited to demonstrate that COVID vaccines had not been shown reduce transmission. Except that The Hill got it wrong. The study said the opposite.
My point is that either The Hill was being terribly sloppy or intentionally misrepresented the cited study.
There is no mechanism in the mRNA vaxes to prevent transmission. It was known from start that these were not sterilizing vaccines, despite government’s desperate attempt to imply otherwise. Data from this study has been eclipsed by real-world experience and in the real world, the vaxes do not prevent transmission, moreover, it is increasingly apparent that they do damage.
“There is no mechanism in the mRNA vaxes to prevent transmission.”
Vaccines do not attack the pathogen directly. That’s not how vaccines work. Rather they trick your immune system into believing that the body is under attack by the pathogen, and your body reacts by developing defenses against it. Thus when the real live pathogen comes along, your body is ready for it.
The idea that the vaccines did not reduce the chances of catching COVID is absurd. There have been countless scientific papers that have shown that they did, although the effectiveness reduced with time as the COVID virus mutated.
L L….Death is the most serious side effect and yes rodent the vax is killing tens of thousands.
Opinions aren’t worth crap. Present your evidence.
Lets see now. We were told.
Get the shot and no CV. That failed.
Get the shot and the C/V would not be that bad. Sure tell that to my wife who was sick for 4 longs weeks and still isn’t 100%
Then get the shot and you would not transmit it, yeah that failed too.
Not buying it.
Every Scabble drug (have you noticed the names and most have seven letters) advertised on TV spend a few seconds telling you its purpose and the rest of the time warning you of possible side effects. Yet these so called vaccines, rushed into service with little testing, apparently are the only drugs in history with zero side effects. Truly wondrous.
I don’t recall anyone claiming there were zero side effects to these vaccines.
Right. Go to a doctor and wonder if your symptoms could even possibly be due to the jab and see what you get in response. Pardon my use of a little hyperbole. You might experience some shoulder pain or feel slightly unwell for a few hours.
I have found no — zero — nada — scientific studies claiming that COVID vaccines have no side effects. Nor do I know of any medical or government authority claiming that.
Rather the opposite…
https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fpubh.2022.876336/full
Like I said. Find someone who has inquired with the medical profession. Get back to us.
You sure are defensive Bonnie! Smelling the lawsuits coming your way?
Happy with the thousands you have maimed and killed with your toxic experimental substance?
Adrian-Dix:
It isn’t MY vaccine.
But I doubt that there will be many successful lawsuits. Why? First, the vaccine makers are protected from liability, by agreement with the government. Second, the vaccine makers can point to a massive body of scientific research which shows that the vaccines are generally “safe and effective” (in Kate’s words). And specifically, the research shows there were more benefits than drawbacks to the vaccine.
@Killer “And specifically, the research shows there were more benefits than drawbacks to the vaccine.” — totally absurd, when deaths from Covid were 1% or less, and most dying from Covid were 80+, the risk to anyone under 50 was far greater with the vaxes than with Covid. Add to that multiple doses of the vax, increasing risk. Add to that Covid mortality was equal to a middle level flu season. — no justification for mass vaccination. Vaccinating large numbers of people with an experimental vax was completely misguided if it not downright sinister. I think most public health people went along with orders they were given and did not research for themselves.
Take it up with the research, not me, because in a lawsuit it’s the research which would be cited. Like this early paper of a large-scale double-blind randomized controlled study from the highly respected New England Journal of Medicine:
https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/nejmoa2034577
That’s the kind of thing which is going to appear in a court should a lawsuit ensue. The complainant better have something equally credible.
If they told the truth on the vials they’d be held legally accountable and we can’t have that.
For me, the definitive episode that proved vaccine transmission and infection failure in the real world was the Beligian research camp in the Antarctic. Despite following every public health guideline of multiple vaccinations, pre travel testing and 10 days of isolation…there was still a covid outbreak in one of the remotest parts of the world.
Real world observations vs torqued, biased lab test results.
They can keep quoting lab results but the real world observations of vaccine failure and vaccine injuries cannot be hidden. Companies and politicians tried to cover up the damage from Pandemrix and Vioxx , but eventually the truth prevailed. It takes time and effort to uncover corruption and malfeasance.
Plus they want to hide the test results for how long? Why.
To prevent lawsuits and criminal charges is my first guess. The second guess is that they want to be able to reuse the covid19 pandemic playbook and add in centralized control from international agencies.
If subnational regions (eg.US states) didn’t listen to national agencies last time, I doubt they’ll listen to international agencies next time but there’s obviously an agenda. Besides, I think some people who fell for covid19 policies feel like they were lied to so it’ll be more difficult to get the same level of compliance.
We’re living in the curse of interesting times, I suppose.
Originally – 75 years. They’ve now been ordered to provide it by 2025. Some has come out, not volunteered but forcibly, and it’s not good. It indicates a 17% adverse events and I’m not talking about site soreness or a mild headache. 1.7% should have stopped this.
They knew. Public health, politicians, regulatory agencies. They all knew. The bigger the lies they are trying to hide, the more draconian and authoritarian their policies will become…
It turns out that … ignoring science … is science.
Science is whatever “Mr. Science”, Ah, Doktor Fauci says it is.
The excess death data that John Campbell is on like a dog on a bone may be the weak link in the narrative. Canada’s is obscene, as are several other European countries, and New Zealand is also abysmal. There is a correlation with vaxxing, the higher the vax rate, the worse the excess death. That will get harder and harder to bury the further we get from the “pandemic”.
You should see Germany’s numbers.
FFS… these therapudics do not prevent infection and they do not prevent transmission full stop. They can mitigate symptom severity and may inflict negative side effects to include increased susceptibility and sudden death.
Dylan Mulvaney would do nicely as a brand ambassador.