Air Canada- Air Canada to Acquire 30 ES-30 Electric Regional Aircraft from Heart Aerospace
The aircraft will be powered by lithium-ion batteries, and will be quieter, have better operational parameters, be more reliable, and have a smaller environmental footprint than conventional turbo-prop aircraft. It will also be equipped with reserve-hybrid generators that can use sustainable aviation fuel. Fully loaded, the ES-30 is projected to have an all-electric, zero-emission range of 200 km. This can be extended to 400 km with power supplemented by the generators, and up to 800 km if the load is restricted to 25 passengers. Charging time for the aircraft is expected to be 30-to-50 minutes.
Guess who owns a sizable portion of Air Canada.
Will it be named Icarus air?
At least when it falls out of the sky, it will be silent, and won’t pollute. Am I right?
Your funny!
Silent running…
Bringing into question about recovery equipment to reach any type of crash?
Would need to bring generators for recharging itself too…
Don’t get too excited about falling aircraft. A quick check of their website and some googling shows 1st test flights in 2026, so not likely to enter service before 2035. Yup, tha’ts right 2035 – and we bought them NOW!! Yah, yah – article says slated for delivery in 2028 – I call BS.
To be clear, heart aerospace has only ever designed one aircraft before this ES-30, I don’t think that earlier one was ever built. The Design for the ES-30 is in extremely, extremely early stages.
So, company has no experience, politicians jump on board, public money spent…….Hmmmmm..where have we seen this before.
This plane will never fly.
“This plane will never fly.”
In the mind of self righteous greenies it will. The world is blessed with a single certified 2 seater electric plane that looks like a tiny ultralight that is not so light. Electric aircraft will always be challenged with carrying their own batteries not to mention the vulnerability of your battery self immolating at 35,000 feet. Electric planes and electric trucks are fantasies.
Scar
Exactly… pretty sure that there’s is NO KNOWN method to quell a lithium battery fire, & particularly that said batteries will most likely be placed as close to the electric motor it supplies: Due to line loss over distance.
So fire starts and the aluminum surrounding said motor instantly dissolves the Aluminum wing…and down she goes.
Utter virtue signalling garbage
Plus with electric it leaves heavy and lands heavy. Not good .
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“it will be silent, and won’t pollute”
I dunno… once a Tesla starts to self-combust, even
firefighters run for cover.
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It not like there’ll ever be a problem with those new-fangled batt… wait…
“A lithium battery from her sibling’s new electric scooter caused the blaze that
killed an 8-year-old girl in Queens, fire officials and neighbors said Sunday.”
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NOPE.
So, right after the article ‘Golly, electric devices just turn themselves off’ you have the ‘electric plane’. Please, I am trying to finish my breakfast. Now I have spilt my prunes, and my dog won’t eat them anymore.
Whenever they push this electric crap…
They NEVER include it needs to be times two as no matter where the destination…you NEED a recharging station.
Those electric fleets that need those extremely costly batteries stations failed to factor that in as your only limited to a circle of coming back for recharging…not even mentioning the power loss of batteries over time and huge weight factors to haul any type materials.
I will remember your wise counsel as I watch the videos from ‘The Man Made Disaster Channel’, as I watch some airframe or the other plummet to the earth, seeking recharging.
Alternately, I will keep up my donations to the Liberal Party to keep up credit status with my white guilt account; Increase my leveraged investments in these Green and Useless technologies; maintain my secret army of spies who can copy passenger lists for ‘double indemnity’ insurance profit taking.
ONE wonders what the “Glide Profile” looks like….Probably similar to the Gimli Glider… Minus a wing..
Darwin’s will be done.
That explains why Air Canucklehead operates as a Crown Corporation. The taxpayer will always be expected to prop it up.
“Prop up” an airline. Good one!
Air Canada stopped being a crown corporation about 40 years ago. It trades as AC on the TSX.
Same stupidity, different day.
I would love to see the cable used to pump that much electricity into an airplane that quickly. Pretty impressive to fully recharge in under an hour. From my limited experience with lithium batteries they do get warm as they charge and the faster they charge the warmer they get. I would hate to see an airplane catch fire on the ramp or in a hangar as it is being recharged. Not that I am like to ride an electric plane anyways. At the range they have I would sooner drive.
Using Ohm’s Law, there are only two ways to “quick charge” a battery bank:
1. Build the battery bank so that it has virtually zero resistance (good luck with that), or
2. Increase the voltage of the charger so that more current can flow through the fixed resistance of the battery bank.
Option (1) above is damn near impossible; option (2) will work, but shortens the battery bank’s life in a non-linear fashion, and as noted by Joe the Albertan, creates elevated heat levels and therefore increased risk of fire.
Air Canada: continuously puzzling out new ways to waste taxpayers’ money.
There is a third way.
3. Reconfigure the arrangement of the battery’s cells while charging
Is it possible to require all Liberal and NDP MPs to use the electric planes only and not the regular fossil fuel powered ones?
That would be a good way to get rid of said passengers.
Mid Island
A question I’ve asked m”self more than once…
I’m betting not one of those Turds will ever fly on one…Virtue signalling only goes so far as the booking agent.
This should do nicely to utterly destroy trust in yet another sector.
I wonder how many electric flight hours will be logged before the first recall?
I imagine that asking an airline exactly what kind of plane you’ll be flying in at the time of ticket purchase would be like pulling teeth; I haven’t flown in around 15 years, but IIRC I never knew what I’d be flying on till boarding time.
It’s been a couple of years since I’ve flown anywhere (thanks, Government of Canada!), but when booking online, there was usually some indication of the airframe you’d be getting (certainly if they were gonna show you the seat map, there was no way to obfuscate that). Anyways, if you’re doing a commuter hop, there’s a non-zero chance you’ll get one of these boondoggles instead of an ICE aircraft.
Is Trudeau going to grab one to be his official government plane?
That’s why its a hybrid. Our betters can virtue-signal about using them, with discharged batteries that won’t catch on fire, while the rest of us burn.
“Freeland said the government paid roughly $23 per share and that the price represented a 15% discount from the going rate at the time.”
HUH?
How does that work?
Did they buy them on the market or did Air Canada issue new shares?
Am I missing something or is this very odd?
It’s trading at 18.38 now, so it’s lost about a quarter of its value since then.
How do they buy at a 15% discount? From whom?
Did some large mutual fund give away 15% of their investor’s value to buy favor with the government?
If they were new shares issued why were they at such a discount? Again, was it to buy favors?
So, a real air bus. 100 miles? What’s the point?
At the moment, that’s not even Calgary to Edmonton in full electric mode..
If you consider flight time and recharge time, plus embark/disembarking it is faster to drive, and you have your own vehicle at your destination!
https://www.businessinsider.com/air-canada-orders-30-electric-planes-heart-aerospace-es-30-2022-9?amp
Calgary to Red Deer? Vancouver to Abbotsford? Lethbridge to Medicine Hat? Toronto to Mississauga? The travel routes are limitless.
Orleans to Kanata
Essentially, a puddle jumper. Would seem to only be good for those Van to Vic flights, and other similar destinations along the coast and Island. Though, its redundant, since there are many other planes accomplishing the task, with much longer ranges that can safely be used, rather than “Captain, we’re out of fuel and on the battery reserve!” “Oh SHIT!”
The LIEberals know no end of their virtue signalling and wasteful spending habits. Its bred into them, LIEberals are born financially incompetent, but entitled to further compound their despicable behaviour.
10000 ft to 0 .
And the ES30 is a larger version of the ES19 that does not yet exist by the same company …. I think all they have is a 1/10 size demo model of the ES19. These things will never fly.
Can we have CPC demand that Canada Forces immediately replace Trudeau’s plane with one of these?
JD
If there ever was a requirement for a LIKE button….that’s the question.
btw; One wonders when the AC Pilots Association will chime in on this Folly..??
Does it have a diesel generator on board to charge it in flight? What happens when it goes into low power mode? How do the batteries last at altitude where it is -60ish? Do they have to keep the heater off to maximize range? I have many questions.
Definitely a contender for the YOW YUL sched. unless they are IFR and the alternate is YYZ
Buy the way – WTF is “sustainable aviation fuel”
I’ve been buying aviation fuel for 35 years – first I ever heard of that.
I think the US Navy had a program on to use vegetable oil as jet fuel, it’s costs about 20 times as much as conventional jet fuel.
A great read is to be found (ya gotta really search for it)
Captain Ike Keifer USN. On Bio Fuels for the US NAVY.
He totally debunked the idiocy of it.
We used to use ‘biodiesel’ for small craft – around 2005 or so the word came down to knock that shit off as it was corroding tanks and fuel systems.
I know… Attach a bird chopper to each wing and you have a perpetual motion airplane whose batteries recharge themselves in flight.
Hey, it’s the sort of “logic” politicians and silly servants lap up for breakfast. Which is why just about every gubmit project is a boondoggle, without the boon or the doggles.
There aren’t a lot of routes in Canadian airspace that are less than 200km. This aircraft would only be useful in flying into Toronto Island from Hamilton, Oshawa or the Muskokas or as an air ferry between Vancouver and Victoria so David Suzuki can fly to his third house. Whether it will be profitable is another matter.
Looking at the Heart Aerospace website I found it weird that there is no mention of it’s cruising speed. Since the main purpose of air travel is to get there fast will passengers opt for a slower flight? Time is money after all.
By the way, the turbogenerators are built by Honeywell aerospace. It’s just a jet fuel burning APU (Auxiliary Power Unit) driving a pair of generators. Instead of the gas turbine turning a propeller, it will instead turn electrical generators which are 90% efficient which will then power electric motors which are 90% efficient so only 81% of the energy produced from the jet fuel will actually turn the propellers. I’m not sure how anyone can believe that is green.
exactly – like the tesla with the generator on the trailer hitch.
I’d rather fly on a hydrogen-filled dirigible than on one of these abominations.
I’m guessing that if at all feasible, the life-cycle inputs of fossil fuel energy will exceed the equivalent fossil fuel inputs of today’s conventional regional carriers (per tonne-kilometre flown) with a lessor cost. The same goes for “bio-jet fuel” and that great destroyer of engine components, ethanol.
Second largest country in the world buys aeroplanes with a 200Km range! Oh, but they can go farther if they burn fossil fuels… The insanity know no bounds.
It reeks like Solindra 2.0, they will go bankrupt with in a year or two. After a small investment in visible equipment in batteries and motors most of the money will disappear. Prominent connected investors with incredible foresight the likes of Polosi’s will dump their stock a week before the bankruptcy announcement. The taxpayer money and small investors money will be lost.
Yes, for all intents and purposes, it is a hybrid aircraft, which, while more flexible than a straight electric aircraft (Harbor Air is messing around with one) it still suffers from many caveats, like all aircraft do and now you are introducing batteries into the mix.. Diesel-Electric works for locomotives and mine hauling equipment and cars, but they don’t have to FLY! An aircraft gets lighter and more efficient as it burns off its fuel in flight. A straight electric aircraft loaded to max gross weight MGTOW (no, not the other one) will REMAIN at Max weight, the entire flight! As every pilot knows what a plane loaded to the Max flies like, imagine trying to get to any flight levels and remaining there in such a configuration! Would not want to cross any mountain ranges or large bodies of water, in one!
200 km range. Faster to drive there.
If the aviation fuel is “sustainable” why bother with the batteries?
For those that may recall, Harbour Air retrofitted a single plane to all electric in 2019, and had a successful test flight.
They call this the “first commercial aircraft to go all electric!” However, the truth is stretched here.
Note the link and the statement, as of Aug 18/22, “The ePlane will stay in Victoria to support Harbour Air’s partnership with the BC Aviation Museum, who is hosting an Open House on Saturday August 20th from 10am until 4pm, before returning back to Harbour Air’s Aerospace Maintenance Facility at YVR.”
This plane is not in active service, its just a display model. A few experimental flights does not equate to “fully reliable” air transportation.
https://harbourair.com/harbour-airs-all-electric-aircraft-operates-first-point-to-point-test-flight/
Air Canada is run by left-wing morons, this is just more proof.
I flustered one of their ticket sellers years ago after they launched their new low-cost spinoff airline “Tango”. When I told them “Special forces call terrorists ‘tangos’, so who’s flying those planes?” they didn’t know what to say. I just laughed and told them to forget it.
Can I sell my shares now, please, or should I wait till these anvils drop from the sky and short the stock?
mhb23re
Beam me up Scotty’
How much does SNC get?
Do they split their share with the WE Brothers?
I think our prime minister should have one for his running around the country, but especially across to the climate conferences. Better yet, he should fly a solar powered jet across the Atlantic on a cloudy day with a head wind.
(polite applause)
Tailwind good, Headwind bad.
Just like EVs, the 200km/120mile range is in ideal conditions and full-to-zero battery capacity. So don’t expect flights much longer than around 125-150km/75-90 miles in ideal conditions. Probably a 20-minute flight maximum. Easier and far quicker to drive that distance and skip the trips to and from the airport.
“zero-emission range of 200 km. ”
In other words – actually 150 km. And you’ll be lucky to get 100 during the winter. And who the heck *flies* under 200km? That’s 124 miles – here in the US, at least, it would take you longer to get to the airport, get on the airplane, fly that distance, get off, collect your stuff, and find a taxi than it would to just drive.
“This can be extended to 400 km with power supplemented by the generators, ”
I wonder how much range they could get if they took out the batteries and mechanically coupled the generators straight to the propellers;)
“and up to 800 km if the load is restricted to 25 passengers. ”
Ie, ‘we’re gonna make most of our money from government subsidies instead of fares’
“Charging time for the aircraft is expected to be 30-to-50 minutes.”
Except in the winter. Which is 9 months of the year in Canada. Seriously though – you can’t fast-charge a car in less than an hour, how are you going to do it for a plane?
You about cover it .
200 km?
I can drive that in less time than purchasing a ticket and going through the security theatre.
And in greater comfort.
Exactly right. You’ll spend more time with TSA than you would in the air.
Anyone do the math on this? At 4000Kw/hr battery capacity (based on what I could find on a quick search), you’re at 14000 (FOURTEEN THOUSAND!) amps on a 30 minute charge, at 575 V. Somebody double check that for me, but I think I’m right.
I gave up flying in 2016 and airlines have been busy confirming the sensibility of that decision ever since.
Who, exactly, needs to fly 200km? I believe we all know the answer to that.
So in sub-zero weather, will they have enough juice to taxi to the runway?
The libridiots could screw up a free meal.
mhb23re
What can go wrong?
It’s a good thing, I guess, that Air Canada has experience dealing with fraudulent European aircraft investors…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karlheinz_Schreiber
(or maybe they never learn)
Here’s a summary of the amount of fuel that jets are required to carry for a flight, including fuel required to fly to an alternate airport in case the target airport is shut down:
https://www.flightdeckfriend.com/ask-a-pilot/how-much-fuel-are-aircraft-required-to-carry/
“Commercial flights typically carry at least one hour’s worth of additional fuel on top of that required to get to their destination, but this is often increased by the pilots depending on the circumstances on the day.”
So let’s see. Suppose they end up flying at 200km/h, which is very slow by airline standards (but faster than the “subscale model” now in production which flies at 125km/h). Even with generators running, they will have an effective range of close to zero.
Pearson to Buttonville might be doable.
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