33 Replies to “The Sound Of Settled Science”

    1. More like “science” has become a joke. That just keeps repeating it’s self.
      I’m so tired of hearing. Follow the science.

  2. The article is somewhat misleading. The understanding of planetary formation was based on available data, acquired through observation, and deriving equations which could explain what was seen. The existence of that object simply means that what is known or understood will have to be revised.

    This is hardly new. Until September 1, 1979, the day that Pioneer 11 flew past Saturn, astronomers and planetary scientists believed that there were a series of distinct rings and found plausible explanations for what was seen. Pioneer 11 indicated that the ring structure was more detailed and complicated than what was believed to exist, but it wasn’t until Voyager 1, just over a year later and confirmed by Voyager 2, just how much different it actually was.

    The explanation for Saturn’s rings was revised accordingly.

    1. Our politicians hate mathematics as many theories that they have held dear is blown to smithereens.
      Here is a fraction of science that our politicians are keeping us ignorant from…
      Time is a very interesting concept but you also need another factor to make it viable to use.
      It can’t be seen so it’s ignored. That’s the progression of our observed science and peer reviewed scholastic system.
      Our Sun has many different functions that use different time factors to reach our planet doe to measured distance…light…radiation…rotation… orbital yearly course…exhausted gases and burned debris materials…

      You start to see a little bell of understanding that our whole wonderful system is truly spectacular in understanding how it functions mechanically in this multilayered complex system.

    2. BAD – the article also states “Planets form from material coming together inside huge disks of swirling gas and dust surrounding newborn stars.” Is that how rogue planets are formed? Scientists believe so, but there are “there are perhaps trillions of rogue planets (planetary bodies ranging from little rocky Earth-sized guys to super-Jupiter gas giants) in the Milky Way” Rogue planets, by definition, don’t orbit stars. Those theories are still being formulated and will evolve, unlike settled climate science which is unique among the different disciplines of science.

      https://theconversation.com/rogue-planets-hunting-the-galaxys-most-mysterious-worlds-149588

      1. I don’t think there’s a single explanation.

        What could have happened was that the planets came from a binary star system, forming around one of them. The other one, due to the overall orbital mechanics, passed close enough to an individual planet and, with its gravitational field, pried that body out of its orbit.

        It could very well be that in multi-star systems that planets might be exchanged, so to speak, between individual stars. In the case of rogue planets, some of them might not have successfully gone into orbit and drifted out of the system on their own.

        Such interactions could occur on a larger scale when two galaxies pass close by each other.

      1. Yukyukyukyukyuk…..

        Seriously, though, the Uranian rings were suspected to exist by William Herschel, but that was confirmed by observations made by the Kuiper Airborne Observatory more than 40 years ago. Voyager 2 photographed them during its flyby in early 1986.

        Similarly, the Jovian ring system was discovered as a result of Voyager 1’s flyby in the late 1970s. A ring system around Neptune was shown to exist by a telescope in Chile in 1984, but detailed observations were made when Voyager 2 flew past in 1989.

        Interesting, yes?

  4. Science doesn’t give a damn.

    Science can’t be bothered by such trivial things when he is busy pushing fake vaccines while doing the talk show circuit.

    Let’s Go, Brandon!

  5. It’s RACIST, Misogynist, Homophobic nothing but white privilege and slavery based climate change, the Russians are obviously responsible and where the hell is Obama to set the record strait!!!??? – MSNBC

  6. They discovered it 20 years ago, but are just now looking at the archival data according to the article. So, we must focus on two specific facets of this discovery.

    1. How can we exploit this to increase grants (suggesting a lack of staffing to review data)?

    2. What gender is the planet?

    I wonder if the scientific community is even aware of the absolute cynicism that their past behavior has wrought.

    1. well that got a giggle out of me.
      just wait, just wait, given enough time we will be FORCED under threat of huge fines and prison to *admit*
      planets have gender, rights, emotions, can marry, bla bla bla.

    2. Examining archived data is also good science because, over time, knowledge gained from other observations, as well as newer analytical methods, could result in new information when those data are re-evaluated.

      For example, the mid-1960s Lunar Orbiter program, which was used to scout for possible Apollo landing sites, yielded useful results when some of the data tapes were remastered and the data filtered. One iconic image had about as much detail as what could be obtained from more recent lunar probes, something which wasn’t possible nearly 60 years ago.

      Also, those older pictures provide a baseline for examining certain surface features. Comparing them with newer photos of the same region could provide some insights as to changes that had happened during that time, such as boulders rolling down slopes or landslides.

  7. What a silly extrapolation from the article. Some astronomers believed any b class star with greater than 3 Sol masses wouldn’t have planets. Was there a theory that was tested? No. Was there a math formula that said so? No. Was there a law of nature that said so? No.

    Some astronomers believed it to be true for one reason and one reason only: it had never been seen before. That’s it

    All the more reason to keep looking at the cosmos.

    1. Government Grants and forever employment Tenor would be more correct in following where your money come from and promote fake propaganda that our politicians want to promote like the global warming horseshit.

  9. Kate … you make me laugh

    By “Science” … I assume you mean Dr. Fauxci. Yes, he will be very upset with those misinformational astronomers

  11. Strange that: A binary system where each depends on the other for stability. Reminds me of the binary male/female system we had here on Earth until a few years ago.

  12. The scientific method is only followed when our masters have no incentive to interfere. Either:

    1. Our masters have no reason to give a tinker’s damn what the truth of the matter is, or

    2. The scientists are working on innovative ways of killing people our masters hate or fear, and our masters have a genuine interest in having the eggheads do their jobs right.

    For everything else science will always take a back seat to the narrative—at least until the consequences of ignoring reality inconveniences our masters personally.

  13. // Planets form from material coming together inside huge disks of swirling gas and dust surrounding newborn stars. Stars larger than that emit so much high-energy radiation that they were thought to torch the planetary formation process.
    This discovery shatters that view. //

    The implication that “science” will be angry in effect implies that new knowledge in anathema;
    a position that is the opposite of the scientific method & culture.
    Someone partictularly committed to a particular stance may be miffed,
    but other scientists are more than happy to welcome new information.
    [an exception would be the belated acceptance in American Science of what was eventually named “plate tectonics”.

    Even for individuals:
    Dan Gardner
    “Something I’ve noticed among many good decision-makers: They make frankly changing their minds a point of pride to the point of being part of their identity.
    Hence, when they admit errors and change their minds they are not threatening their identities. They are affirming them.”
    https://twitter.com/dgardner/status/1469676733028839425

    On the other hand, if you are a fan of: “doctors” “scientists” are angry at this housewives cure for XX …

  14. It is a Bumble Bee planet.

    Readers may recall that for a long time aerodynamic theory demonstrated that Bumble bees could no fly. Not sure if the theory allows them to fly today.

    1. That’s somewhat misleading.

      Phenomena in fluid mechanics have been studied in systems and settings of certain physical sizes. The behaviour of the associated fluid flow is often described in terms of parameters expressed as a number. (Perhaps the best known is the Reynolds Number.)

      Often, those systems are examined at different scales, partly for reasons of practicality. For example, wind flow around a structure that’s being designed can be studied by using a scale model and putting that model in a water tank or wind tunnel. Say the model of a given design has a Reynolds Number of a certain value. Presumably, that structure should have the same value, adjusting the quantities that are used for calculating that parameter for the actual physical size. (The principle behind that is referred to as similitude. In other words, what works for a scale model should work for the actual object itself.)

      From what I understand about the bee, similitude doesn’t quite work. One reason was that the wing motions, let alone the resulting airflow, weren’t well-understood, and that could make determining the associated parameters difficult.

    2. The entire bumblebee not flying was entirely bullshit and the result of applying fixed wing flight to an insect that doesn’t have “fixed wings” …. a bumblebee’s wings operate more like a helicopter than an airplane.
      For example a helicopter also can’t fly if u only apply “fixed wing” aerodynamics to it.

  15. My air force friend says it’s a proven fact that a turd can fly if you get it going fast enough.

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