Michael Malice had an interesting point while watching the Canadian election, that there are a number of countries all over the world who are experiencing the same thing. Elections in which the voters don’t budge. His explanation as to why is, “the collapse of political discourse, fewer and fewer people listening to one another”. This is true on both the macro level, Canada, and the micro level, the conservative party. The log jams are getting tighter and no one is breaking through.
Then there’s the talk of western separation that always comes up when we look at the electoral map and see tory blue from the Manitoba border to the rocky mountains. It’s a nice dream but what exactly do we think would change if the conservatives everyone just voted for were in charge? Virtually nothing.
Partisans are curious creatures for some reason they seem to think they’ve got a secret deal with their chosen leader or that somehow what that leader stands for doesn’t apply to them. “Oh, he doesn’t really mean it”, nudge, nudge, wink, wink.
O’Toole should be taken at his word, he does mean it. A lot of conservative voters probably don’t even realize it but they just voted in favour of quotas for electric vehicles, carbon tax’s, vaccine passports and mandates and a whole slough of other goofy policies straight out of the liberals playbook. Trudeau may only have won a minority government but he won on almost every single important issue before the first ballot was cast.
The job of the opposition party is to oppose, not agree with the government of the day. If you’re not going to do your damn job don’t expect to win elections.
O’Toole screwed his own dang campaign when he basically came out of the closet and agreed that all of Trudeau’s Librano policies were great. He tossed his voters away and they stayed home or went to other options.
Also he ran a sloppy campaign with stupid ads and came across as a greasy car salesman in the debates with no modicum of honesty or standing for anything.
One word SHITCON. I keep asking on here for anyone to name a true real conservative in Canadian politics in the last 50 years or more. Nobody can. Klein in his first mandate. Then he went Liberal.
Klein HAD BEEN a Liberal before he ran for the Alberta PC leadership. He ran to the left of Laurence Decore, who was even more anti-debt and government spending than Klein was during that first election. Klein boasted afterwards that he defeated Decore the moment Decore came out against abortion. According to Klein’s brain, Rod Love, Klein stopped hitting the booze crying over his losing campaign and came out swinging in favour of abortion rights.
Klein was a populist, a former card-carrying Liberal Party member, and had a temporary fiscal restraint period because it was politically expedient at the time. Other than this nebulous populist fuzziness, Klein was not the sort of person who had strong ideological convictions independent of political expediency.
Politics is a corrupt, and thoroughly corrupting process. It’s about power and who gets to distribute the spoils. What do statist parasites and psychopaths care about principles or ideas? “Democracy”, (choose your own definition — there are many), is just a control system like all the others, but is distinguished as being by far the most successful in ensuring continuity of government and stability of the ruling elites, secured by a voluntary compliance of the ruled. Viz. “we are the government” platitudes…
Beneath the political stratum is the administrative state. Judiciary, law enforcement, state media, education, medical services, “regular bureaucrats”, etc. All together they make up more than half of all employed persons. And all of them require the state apparatus to steal from the producers to pay their salaries. When there aren’t enough producers to pay the state’s employees, then the state has to borrow. If no producer wants to lend, then the state needs to print currency to pay its bills. Which is where we are now. Usually some kind of social upheaval happens at this late stage of state putrefaction.
Paul Hinman
Watcher, that is one thing we both agree on.
O’Toole was clearly a sell-out to the CPC base, beginning with the sell-out to the ridiculous Paris Accord and continuing to knock out many policies we voted for at conventions. Pierre Poilievre is pretty consistent, but even he could not win in future against Mark Carney, whom I hope is not interested.
This is why I voted PPC which by the way they were the difference between my local CPC MP losing his seat to the NDP. The CPC MP lost by a 1000 votes while the PPC got 2700 votes which includes 4 from my family.
20 years ago having my MP go from Conservative to NDP would of bothered me a lot but since today there is very little difference in both parties policies I as a free Canadian was going to lose no matter which party won.
Not to mention that O’Toole’s wife is a Grose Fat Bush Pig of a Female
Or is he female, hard to tell now a days eh?
Cris: You sir are no gentleman. Only a pig of a man would write such a thing about a woman. Leave the wives alone.
It’s time to set up a Western party similar to the Bloc. That way the control from the centre will be broken. The TRUE problem in Canada is government from Ottawa which slops around in the left wing due to the number of government workers there are in Ottawa and the big cities in Eastern Canada.
We could call it Maverick.
OToole is John McCain on steroids. Well … except O’Toole didn’t say that he liked and respected Trudeau 3 days before the election
Winston Churchill quote:”The best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter”.
Ha, so true. I believe he also said that democracy is the worst form of govt, except for all the others
Yes, he said that also.
He said that at a time when the British Empire was intact.
He only really believed in democracy for WASPs.
Or as George Carlin once said, “Think of how stupid the average person is…..and then realize that half of them are stupider than that”.
Five minutes?! Bloody hell – try 20 seconds!
A paraphrase of Plato from The Republic: “Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.”
(The original quote is more about morality than intelligence and speaks to the difficulty of getting good men involved in politics: “It is necessary, then, to add to these things a compulsion and a penalty, if they [good men] are going to be willing to rule … the greatest part of the penalty is being ruled by a more wicked man, if he himself should not consent to rule.”)
the O’toole “braintrust” ran the same campaign that failed repeatedly in Ontario against the McGuinty Wynne liberals… “Trust us, we aren’t radically different than the liberals” and “we’ll do the same things, just slower”
and then when challenged, took exactly the same position as the liberals.
I’m not exactly sure what they thought their path to victory was, but it didn’t work in Ontario either.
what does work, is when you take a position and defend it, stand up and explain your beliefs and why it would be better for canada, rather than “I’m not the other guy”
“what does work, is when you take a position and defend it, stand up and explain your beliefs and why it would be better for canada, rather than “I’m not the other guy””
So true. We very much need a leader with that kind of integrity.
Well there is/was one out there but all the dumbassed sheep bleated about was, oh no that will split the vote. Well Canada got what Canadians wanted and millions of us are going to be screwed and not in good way.
Wonder how many Indigenous people voted?
Why should they? They probably knew that, regardless of who got into office, the good times were gonna roll.
Some good points. Those cheering the Lib “win” or bemoaning otoole’s loss were voting for the same pile. If you voted CPC or Lib, congrats, your favored policies will be coming into or remaining the law of the land.
As far as western separation, the important thing to remember is that it is a meaningless exercise if we just replace the current tyrants with another set of tyrants. The scope of govt needs to be severely curtailed or we are just repeating past mistakes. Not going to happen, but as long as we’re dreaming.
In the mean time, keep smiling and enjoy the decline.
The only way western separation works is to ban public sector unions and political appointments in the various ( hopefully a small number ) ministries . Bureaucracy is out of control throughout Canada .
100% agreed
JohnBoy many conservatives were nose holders. Voted for O’Toola and Liberal LIte just to get rid of Trudeau. That worked well, didn’t it? Result, a lot of sore noses out of place. Next time will be diferent. Only if they vote PPC.
The practical problem of the CPC moving further right, assuming that might lead to a merger with the PPC, is that roughly equal numbers of centrist votes would be lost to the Liberals and the outcomes would be either the same or even worse. This country simply doesn’t have a supply of philosophically conservative voters outside of the two or three areas where the CPC gets any significant share of the vote. Going harder to the right won’t shake down any unseen hidden conservative voters. Whether they stay more centrist or shift back further to the right, the CPC party has a major challenge to sell the philosophy of conservative values, probably the most important being to balance the budget long-term because any fool can see that a few more years like the last two, and this country will be in a major economic crisis, and that cannot be a good place for any political party of any persuasion.
A second challenge is to overcome the green hysteria and return to more common-sense policies in the economic field.
The PPC has grown but even a strong supporter like myself has doubts that there is much more potential to grow since the COVID situation allowed the party to present a very clear alternative that was basically accepted by one in twenty people across the country (without very much variation, it would seem). Can that grow to one in ten or even one in five? Maybe if enough people get tired of the situation, but the appeal has to be logic based, if death tolls start climbing from future variations of COVID the message is going to be drowned out. My fear is that we really need totally different policies than any party has offered so far, and these would be completely unacceptable to 99% of the voters, but necessary for our survival.
But that is why the Western provinces must come up with a party similar to the Bloc. The “conservative” supporters in Eastern Canada tend towards the left while in Western Canada, they tend to the right. So jettison the Eastern red tories and set up a Western Canada Party only. In my opinion, that was the big mistake that the Reform Party made because once you try to pull in those lefties in Eastern Canada, you simply dilute your original policies to gain the votes of leftists.
We did! It’s called Maverick. They ran in several ridings and, like the PPC, didn’t win a single seat.
Give me a break. You heard virtually nothing from them. Maverick might be the concept….but it was poorly organized, essentially quiet and didn’t run in all ridings. The problem was (at it always is) the vote splitting. it will ONLY work by pushing the federal Conservative party out.
Yea..a supposed Western Separation party fully invested in working “WITHIN CONFEDERATION” …and Full on board with the Climate Bullshit.
Fuck MAVERICK (another ShitCon pile of garbage)
I WANT my 10.00 back.
And an Entry Visa to Panama
There are no centrist voters. They don’t exist and that goes double for those calling themselves ‘centrists’. The voters are right wing on some issues left wing on others. The party’s job is to capture the Zeitgeist and meld a winning coalition of it.
“capture the zeitgeist” lol.. is that what Moses Znaimer whispers in your ear when he buggers you to sleep at night ?
pseudo intellectual but real imbecile.
Why do you think the PPC wants to merge with the “conservative” party? What is wrong with two center parties and two more honest parties to keep the center parts in line. Also, you are forgetting how far left the “center” has been shifted when only right-wing extremists do not attend pride parades and all must genuflect to BLM and the Great Green God.
Canada has become a unitary state in the communist sense. Government party lines are to be followed in all things; these are promoted by state-funded media organizations. We are told what to feel guilty about, what is good and right – dear leader of course, what to think, what is happening; outside of which lines, there are no thoughts possible, only a curmudgeon or right-wing extremist evil person would have them, Communications are tapped and censored. Government drones spy on lawful and innocent demonstrations and opposition rallies, face recognition identifying all attendees. An archetypical evil person, the right-wing extremist, is held up as a scarecrow to the population.
This is a very sad state of affairs that afflicts all modern societies and there needs to be a rebalancing of society and state. They are NOT one and the same, as the communists would have you believe.
Why is it assumed that western separation entails a parliamentary gov’t?
I would think that if they separate, forming an entirely new type of gov’t would be possible, along the lines of what the USA did when they separated from the UK, one that makes a stab at ensuring individual liberty, incorporating the lessons learned since the founders formed their first gov’t.
YWell
EXACTLY..!!
One question: how are you planning to get to separation while Little Fidel is making sure new voters keep settling in Nenshittown and Redmonton?
Agree with you. We are running out of runway very quickly.
You better learn to appeal to those voters then.
And parliamentary government is clearly working better than the mess the US has. There’s no evidence that an elected exec or bicameral legislature has made anything better.
Those voters want nothing but destruction of the western world, that is why they were imported in the first place. There is no appealing to that.
We need a Pinochet.
Yes.
The American system is 100% better than ours. With out the balance of the states they would be in the same mess we are. A few big city’s control the country.
“The job of the opposition party is to oppose, not agree with the government of the day. If you’re not going to do your damn job don’t expect to win elections.”
Amen, Francisco.
The Conservatives can’t cause another election by opposing or they’ll be screwed again. Only Liberals get away that…..and everything else it seems.
I doubt Justin will be calling an election in 18 months, his cousins the NDP will keep them going.
On more term will b enough for Justin, he’ll be tired of Cottage living.
I think Trudeau is VERY bored now, beginning before the beard growth holiday and Covid lack of international travel opportunities. They made him shave it off for the election (youthfulness) and provided more acting lessons, with all the breathy strategic pauses and fewer umms and ahhs.
Even so, he could not restrain his temper and admonishment of women with clear and articulate views in debate with Annamie Paul.
After all, he told us years ago that his job was to be a figurehead. It is no fun anymore, as the Liberals will be wanting him out before long.
For sure, there will heavy meetings with the NDP this week to ascertain what they want.
Junior’s old man got bored with politics in Canada probably around 1974.
Whatever the Liberal grandees had on him, Trudeau was persuaded to stay. His reluctance really came out in 1979 after his defeat at the hands of Joe Who. But again he was persuaded to take up the mantle (cape?) of leadership one more time. They dangled the carrot of “repatriation” and Trudeau’s other pet subject of “North-South” dialogue. Remember that? His “peace mission” he travelled all over the world to sell? I think only Helmut Schmidt of West Germany would give Trudeau a sincere reception. Thatcher, Reagan, all the others, only accorded him a cool diplomatic response. Mitterand of France was a fellow socialist, but no self-respecting Frenchman could receive a Quebecer as an true equal.
The greater point of all this is that by the mid-70s Trudeau was sick of Canada and set his ambitions on UN Secretary General. At the time, however, everyone sensible knew that the non-Western block on the security council and general assembly would always prevent a US vassal like Canada from obtaining the UN’s highest post. Trudeau’s previous membership in International Marxism notwithstanding.
Now that no one knows who the SG of the UN is anymore as the post has slid into obscurity, what is there for Junior to aspire to?
Junior’s old man got bored with politics in Canada probably around 1974.
I think many Albertans will take issue with that. It was around that time that he started waging total economic war against the west, undermining the oil industry, killing the Mackenzie Valley Pipeline in 1977, followed by the NEP in 1980.
That doesn’t sound like somebody bored with politics to me.
@B A: I think many Albertans will take issue with that.
Not saying Trudeau didn’t do irreparable damage from 1965 up until today. (Including his responsibility for our living nemesis, Junior). A political psychopath can be bored and do harm at the same time.
Trudeau was in all things a dilettante. He definitely saw an adversary in the West and certainly in Alberta. And he was so consumed with self-love that he could abide no adversary. That was a point of pride with Trudeau. But as with all dilettantes, he wasn’t really absorbed with all the daily trivialities of a day job like that of PM. Hence all the girlfriends, the night-life, the cultural activities, and the constant international travelling he would occupy himself with. This was distinctly different from the Soviet propaganda of Stalin labouring deep into the cold night on behalf of Mother Russia and her deserving peasant-comrades. Trudeau had always been a glamourboy with a short attention span.
In the West, we want to believe that our mortal enemy’s thoughts were as consumed with us as we were with his. But he wasn’t really all that into us. He wasn’t really into Canada at all. He wasn’t that into Quebecers, calling them “provincial and parochial”, he wasn’t in Canada, saying “I am a citizen of the world”, blah blah blah. He was into himself. First, last, and always.
I agree. Dad Trudeau enjoyed being a dude, albeit too old for his wife. It all worked until about 1979, as he tried to retire, but was forced and tried to gear up to do the job after Joe Who failed, but hated it after the NEP boondoggle, hence the walk in the snow.
Junior took notes on dad’s “retirement” UN aspirations, but may not be able to pull off even obtaining a minor role, even on a diversity panel, as the 3rd world has those spots sown up. Not sure if even Power Corps or SNC Lavalin would hire him as an international consultant either.
Predicting the future is very difficult.
At least two-thirds of Canadians want leftist policies and governments. Two-thirds. Canada will never have a truly conservative government. Never. Because a majority of Canadians want to be mothered by Big Government. What’s the answer? No idea. But I’m old enough to contemplate the field where I used to grow my f**ks and find it utterly unproductive. Or as Captain Capitalism likes saying, I’m sitting back and enjoying the decline. Western civilization is on the downward slope and nothing short of a major upheaval will stop it. The barbarians are already within our borders and Rome wants nothing more than bread and circuses.
And most of that two thirds are in Eastern Canada. That is why the West can no longer support the federal “conservatives”.
Well there it is.
Any campaign no matter where the candidate stands, depends on the candidate taking a position and holding it.
Making a claim and then walking it back tells those that may have thought about voting for you that you will abandon them, and their issues at the first sign of confrontation.
Voters want a champion for their cause.
Political Balkanization that started with the silly Bloc Quebecois and where the pimple finally peaked with the even sillier Green Party, as if the NDP weren’t a big enough joke. I’m convinced now more than ever that a large swath of Canadians are just stupid dolts whose concept of freedom and liberty is markedly different than mine so I best get used to it. They got their legal dope so all’s good in their world I guess.
All parties now save for the PPC are on the left side of the political spectrum, which means everyone except us will have a say when it comes to policy, so brace yourself.
I wonder if there any any deep thinkers in the CPC who will do an honest autopsy on where and how it all went wrong?
Not likely. They’re deluded enough to think there are a few Derek Sloans in the party who are flying under the radar and need to be weeded out to right the CPC ship.
“This is not your father’s Conservative Party” – No shit.
I re-posted my original six points – posted to this blog a few days back – on FB this morning with the following additional note:
“To my Conservative Party of Canada friends: You may be consoling yourselves with the thought that you’ve “denied Justin his majority” or that you’ve “fought the good fight” or some other fatuous rationalization, but I’m here to remind you that you’ve blown it once again.
Not only that, but you actually lost two seats! And in the context of a needless, wasteful election against a vulnerable, weakened, empty-headed, platitude-spouting opponent. And at a time when there were a multitude of serious issues to be brought up (which you didn’t). Indeed, what I have just witnessed from you can ONLY be described as a staggering, jaw-dropping level of incompetence.
A few new points:
• Don’t let the door hit you on your way out, Erin O’Toole.
• As for the rest of you losers, don’t assume – as you appeared to have done last time (the public isn’t that dumb) – that merely changing your leader is going to change ANYTHING. You really need to take a good look in the mirror. Even a cursory glance at a few conservative-leaning blogs indicated that you had lost your base the nanosecond you even elected O’Toole as leader so what were you thinking? Sorry, but if Canadians want the Liberals, they can simply vote for them so offering up Justin Trudeau but with worse hair is NOT a winning strategy.
• O’Toole’s handlers and the entire Conservative Party establishment need be taken out and – to employ a euphemism we used back on the farm – “put out of their misery.” The party needs to get out in the country, interact with and expand its base, and stop heeding the advice of all these Toronto/Ottawa/Montreal-based political consultant types – i.e., bubble-dwelling, fart-catching party hacks who would be unemployable in virtually any other capacity. To paraphrase comedian Fred Allen (who was speaking about the amount of sincerity in Hollywood), you could stuff the collective wisdom of the entire Canadian “political consultant” class into the navel of a fruit fly and still have lots of room left over. The endorsement of O’Toole by Mulroney was particularly telling. The latter may have been an effective PM in his day but NOBODY – trust me – wants to hear from him ever again.
• The Conservatives are going to have to make peace with Mad Max and his supporters the way Harper ultimately did with the Reform Party if they ever want to win again. Any of the aforementioned also-ran party hacks who insist that such an alliance would besmirch the virginal maidenhead of their sacred, illustrious Conservative Party need to be reminded – at point of a gun if necessary – that NO SUCH THING EXISTS
Also THIS: You also passed up two hours of FREE promotional time with (save for PewDiePie), arguably the world’s leading YouTube personality (but instead prostrated yourself before CBC, Globe & Mail, MSM, etc., who were NEVER going to cut you a break anyway. Again, what the hell were you thinking???): https://twitter.com/jordanb…/status/1437637493629890563…
Allow me to slightly re-punctuate your last sentence, Eric:
“What the Hell? Were you thinking???”
Muuuuuch better. ;-)
Much better! And much amused. A great editor is hard to find.
Most of what you write is goo and true, but not this: “The party needs to get out in the country”
Nope. Nobody does. The country is less and less relevant. It’s an urban-metro world and only going to get more so.
Um-me. Apparently you have never heard of the term “figure of speech.” But I can believe that as your other comments don’t seem very intelligent either
I sent this to the governing Council of the CPC back in May regarding their version of the Liberal’s Carbon Tax:
Having been a past board member in my local EDA, and subsequently resigning well prior to your last defeat, I am offering free advice from someone who has held office in local politics as well as been active in the blogosphere. In an environment when bankrupt welfare states are tripping over themselves to arrive at debtor nation status and seeking potentially serious levels of inflation to resolve, under your direction, the CPC has already lost the next election as well. While the klepto-psycho Liberals have stolen NDP and Green policy to stay in power, do you really think that the Conservative alternative of Me Too carries any credibility. It will certainly drive away much of your abused and ignored base while offering no serious appeal to the mushy middle of the perceived electoral spectrum who can at least distinguish between enthusiastic (pseudo)green clergy and shallowly disguised and insincere imitators.
By the way, your poly-sci grad researchers and consultants might want to check out actual science sources where they might discover that there has been no correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature for the last 20 years, the last 1000 years and the last 540 million years. Where there is no correlation, there cannot be causation. I’m sure if anyone has read this far you will discard without any thought as politics is the “schoolyard” battle for the hearts and minds of the mindless mushy middle and you’re following the advice pertinent to that endeavor.
” no correlation between atmospheric CO2 and temperature for the last 20 years, the last 1000 years and the last 540 million years.”
That is not true and this kind of blather will keep you far away from any influence.
https://reason.com/2006/09/22/confessions-of-an-alleged-exxo/
Making a mathematical model saying it happens doesn’t mean that it’s true. On the 2-million year timescale, CO2 levels are usually at their highest just before the ice sheets return. That’s because of the ~900 delay in deep ocean overturning, and outgassing when the air temperature at the surface of the ocean is higher.
Now shush, child, the grown-ups are talking.
I could bury you with data demonstrating the lack of correlation.
I think they were trying to offer the idiot’s policies without the idiot. Which is, of course, idiotic.
That last point, John Chittick, just highlights their incompetence. It’s not even a case of being “with it” they were just without “it”, that intangible ability to tie your own political shoe laces.
Electric cars eh , Erin ?
Ban gasoline / diesel by 2035?
Guess you didn’t get the memo from the CEO of Toyota eh?
… no wonder you lost. BTW it was the first time I have not voted Conservative.
So now the Conservatives are 3 for 3 and likely have no idea why they lost .. again.
I started the last election. I was tired of waking up with a sore nose after an election.
This!
If everyone agrees on the bus route, it doesn’t much matter who’s driving the bus.
Nice! I’m going to borrow that.
I’m curious if the obvious direction will prevail.
The obvious course of action is to welcome Maxime back into the “party” as leader with western support and western drive. This would be a unifying action if the eastern elites could see past their greed and shortsightedness.
We all know that won’t happen because the east needs a weak dollar. The east is upset that anyone questions their commitment to “1867” and the original purpose of the west.
Maybe the border can move north.
Boris in the UK is walking the political tightrope, keeping the libertarian/small government Con MPs moderately contented, without completely alienating the traditional statists with his caucus. But the Con party in the UK is a party of power, not one of controlled opposition. It needs to be as big tent-ish as possible. Party leaders in the UK are directly elected by the parliamentary caucus and not by a party membership popularity contest, so there’s another factor that could help explain why UK party leaders actually try to keep disparate ideological factions together under one party banner.
The CONs in Canada are only seldom a party of government, and have always been riven by faction and political ideologies. The last time the Liberal Party was ever torn apart by a political principle, (as opposed to dividing the spoils), was under Laurier and the conscription crisis during WWI.
Boris is there because he will bide by the wishes of “The City”. He is not a leader, he’s a functionary. Boris is not an individualist or risk taker. He is a navigator following directions.
Donald, on the other hand, is not.
Maybe Heraclitus said it best:
“Out of every one hundred men, ten shouldn’t even be there, eighty are just targets, nine are the real fighters, and we are lucky to have them, for they make the battle. Ah, but the one, one is a warrior, and he will bring the others back.”
What is the measure of erin? He is passive and pliable… like Boris. We need Donald.
L – That is one of my favourite quotes. There is a reason learned men and women had to study the wisdom and hard lessons learned from ancient Greece and Rome. The nature of humans has not changed. The abolition of history by the Cult. Marxists has been remarkably successful.
Those who lose their memory, lose their identity, too. Losing touch with our human history, especially that of Western Civilization, of which we are the heir. That has left the historically ignorant without an identity. Hence, they are easy prey for the fake identity of identity politics.
We are deep in the Clash of Civilizations, the Middle Kingdom knows their Sun Tzu.
What is the measure of erin? He is passive and pliable… We need Donald
The Heraclitus quote is great. Thank you. I’d never come across it before. Your juxtaposition of O’Toole and Trump is quite poignant, considering the former actually served in uniform, and the latter’s bonespurs prevented him from fighting in his country’s war at the time.
According to the CBC website, vote counting has been continuous all through the night. Has it always taken so long?
People on this site are saying the mail-in ballots are being counted on Wednesday, is this true?
Since late last night, the Liberal popular vote has risen from 31.9% to 32.3% at present. The Con vote has dropped from 34.1% to 33.9%.
In the past, it was the custom for the left-wing urban vote to be counted first; the rural conservative vote would come in later. The vote counting for this election seems like a departure from the previous norm.
If the Liberal vote is rising BEFORE the mail-in ballots are factored in, Junior might also win the popular vote, which would be most disappointing. We are least we counting on our small, insignificant moral victories.
“”Then there’s the talk of western separation that always comes up when we look at the electoral map and see tory blue from the Manitoba border to the rocky mountains. It’s a nice dream but what exactly do we think would change if the conservatives everyone just voted for were in charge? Virtually nothing.””
Why would he assume they would be one in the same??
I’d suggest they would be people overwhelmingly cut from a different cloth.
It takes courage, boldness, conviction to advocate for a new country. These are qualities not evident in the federal conservatives.
Francisco, mate, I think you’d better have a look at this one:
https://newsinteractives.cbc.ca/elections/federal/2021/results/
Over to you…
Sorry, but it appears to me that Karen Vecchio
beat Chelsea Hillier 5 to 1.
What else can I help you with today?
The Reform Party made a mistake when they amalgamated with the Red Tories. They should have stayed the course and let the red tory vote bleed to the Liberals as they continued to gain real conservative votes. Had they won a minority, perhaps the PC would have been the party to prop them up, the way the NDP prop up the Liberals every minority government.
With the larger PPC vote, there is a chance to enlarge the base, but only if they continue to proclaim true conservative values of smaller government and fiscal responsibility. And there is nothing wrong with some pride in being a Canadian either. But they need to worry less about what the media thinks, and more about what their base thinks.
O’Toole and the CPC folks still haven’t realized that pleasing the CBC isn’t a pathway to power. The more the rags like the Red Star and Grope and Flail push them left, the better they like it as it just frustrates true conservative voters. That is the aim, to create the tension within the party and fracture it. The “progressives” know that 66% of Canadians support them, might even be higher now. Lord help us if they manage to pass some jury rigged voting instead of the current first past the post one. Any kind of ranked balloting will only ensure “progressive” governments forever more. Every NDP will rank Green 2 and Libs 3, while the Libs will rank NDP or Greens 2, and so on. The CPC, or any other “conservative” party will barely garner the votes to gain a seat, let alone form a government.
The Reform Party made a mistake when they amalgamated with the Red Tories.
We told Preston that. But when Lucien Bouchard became Leader of the Official Opposition, he snapped.
He got the corrective eye surgery, and the new blow-dried hairdoo.
He wanted the big enchilada. His father had been all about the power, and Preston returned to his roots.
“The Reform Party made a mistake when they amalgamated with the Red Tories.“
They made a mistake when they were convinced by Preston to run federally.
They should have run provincially. Would have been the correct course and consistent with their stated goals.
Remember. “Reform” was formed after Tory’s, not Liberals, HAD been in power for years yet the west was repeatedly betrayed. Even with western members IN cabinet!”
“Western Alienation” was high.
So those a’tool supporters who are scornful of those breaking ranks….and suggest “splitting the vote”.
Nonsense. Your scorn falls on deaf ears. We remember.
Why the drift to the Left ? Because soap sells. People like to be bribed with their own money. Fools and Knaves are a perfect paring.
As noted above quoting Captain Capitalism, Aaron Clarey, “Enjoy the Decline”.
” It’s a nice dream but what exactly do we think would change if the conservatives everyone just voted for were in charge? ”
This makes the assumption that those people would be in charge, but the dynamics of an independent Alberta would be so different there would likely be very different leadership. The reason it would fail is because it be full of conservatives, and conservatives are stupid.
^^^^ You voted for that Maxipads ^^^^
Ah, the buttCOLON with a $40 Calcuta PHD, finally shows up to discuss his erection loss
Really? I’m a red Tory? Bollocks. I’m a Maggie Thatcher/Ronald Reagan Tory.
You may wish to know that Karen Vecchio (my wife’s first cousin, and the thrice elected Conservative member for Elgin-Middlesex-London, who somehow managed to clean Chelsea Hillier’s clock) was a Reformer long before I ever met her.
The facts of the matter are simple: 50% of the vote, 34,000 votes (essentially), with a margin of victory of nearly 19,000 votes (the largest plurality in Ontario, except for the dude from Haliburton-Kawartha Lakes).
Now, could we please get on with a reasonable discussion about how we proceed from here?
Well David I guess you could start by asking why has Con-federation been so unfair to western Canada.
So unfair that down through our history one western protest movement/party after another has emerged.
CCF, NDP, Progressives, Socreds, Reform. Not a complete list, but the best known. All rising out of western discontent.
We have been risk-takers and productive and then forced to contribute far above the Canadian average.
It would not take much effort on your part to look into the history. All well documented.
O.K. So, I’m guessing that there are very few political organizations, which came into being as late as October, 2003, that could claim, through five of seven elections, since their respective inception(s), a clear and increasing plurality of the vote. Yet, here we are.
I happen to love my country, without question or regret (please go to Calgary — everybody knows about the British Commonwealth Air Training Plan (BCATP).
I am not only sympathetic to the West, but fully in favour of it! Name your terms, and I’ll see what I can do.
This is the point Mark Steyn is always making. The Marxist victory parade will never happen because they always keep pushing farther left, but the so-called conservatives just keep getting dragged along with them and never seem to realize they’ve lost every single battle. Canadians elected their first Communist Prime Minister with PET but never knew what he was up to. Following the Marxist playbook from day one. It’s taken some time to get here but modern Marxists are patient and inexorable. And largely unopposed.
Democracy is the handmaiden of Communism.
Yes it is.
Democracy is mob rule.
Leftists hate constitutional republics….”rule of law”.