The latest auto survey from Consumer Reports shows several newer electric cars to be beset with problems, contradicting the conventional wisdom that EVs with their simpler powertrains should have fewer issues than gasoline- or diesel-powered cars. The CR reader survey harvested data on some 329,000 vehicles and specifically calls out the Audi E-Tron, the Kia Niro EV, and the Tesla Model Y.
The E-Tron is dinged for “drive-system electrical failures along with other power-equipment issues.” The Niro EV’s problems reportedly included electric-motor bearing failure. The Tesla suffers a panoply of build-quality issues include misaligned body panels and poor paint quality. Both Audi and Kia claimed to be aware of the issues. For now, though, CR has removed the E-Tron and the Niro EV from its Recommended list (which is based on vehicle test results as well as reliability). The Model Y was not on the Recommended list.
Unreliable rechnology that will be the only option by 2030. Al Gore and all the other Envirohucksters should be shot onsight
Jim, the product is unreliable, not the technology!
NMEsatan, the technology is in search of a rationale. Sure, diesel powered hedge clippers can be technologized but why would you want one even if the government subsidized the hell out of it? Would consumers buy EVs if they had to pay the true cost of the R&D and manufacture, not to mention the enormous electrical system expansion that would be needed to power up a hundred million EVs? The few that exist today are parasitic on sensible vehicles even to the extent that when the battery goes dead you can always fall back on the reliable fossil fuel wheels – much like the unicorn fart windmills have to be backed up by conventional generators.
1949 Ford flat head V8 , manual 3 on the tree, very reliable.
M109-A3 sweet comfortable driving tracked vehicle but sucked fuel like crazy.
A little on the loud side when firing a round of 155mm rounds.
That was my 20 million dollar luxury vehicle in the early 1980’s.
Perfect. I wish I had one right now.
Haha!
1962 Dodge Valiant slant 6 – 3 on the tree. I drove that thing for near 6 years, did One oil change (I wasn’t, at the time, all that “smart: vis a vis Maintenance), in all that time and it eventually died (tranny went). But it served me well throughout my apprenticeship…and I can say that I and that vehicle, with me driving, are the ONLY non rail traffic the BOOT HILL LRT Tunnel in Calgary has ever seen.
Apparently there was “some” alcohol involved….some and I do believe I left some evidence as well – my muffler.! Great car.
Nowadays, I’ve been quite content with an 06 edition of GMC’s Diesel offerings – Regular Key – No massive amount of useless electronics – and it just runs and runs and runs. 589,600 kms worth to date and still looks good.
You can Keep your EV’s & Fancy SUV crap vehicles. This truck is long ago paid for…. and owes me nothing. Oil change every 15k kms or 1 year and I’m good to go. (has 2ndary oil Filtration @ 2mU)….& Tires every 5. (I Run BFG Rugged Trails – all yr round).
so…I think I’ve done my part to support the Auto Industry.
Dodge Dart about 1973 … slant-6 … virtually indestructible. If we are speaking purely of reliability. No oil? No problem.
https://classics.autotrader.com/classic-cars-for-sale/1973-dodge-dart-for-sale
Ford in line six of the same period used to go 500 thousand miles in cabs before a rebuild.
My 1994 (FJ-80) Toyota land cruiser has 360.000 miles and no mayor repairs.
It’s seen some really rough miles too.
Just mounted the snows on the 2000 Honda Accord….and it’s my newest car
My battery charger’s electric
1996 Roadmaster V8
1953 Studebaker V8
I will never buy an electric car. They are toys for virtue signalers.
I heard recent government ads that will subsidize the installation of home chargers for the electric junkers.
How long before all new home builds will have to include a charger. I should say new ‘apartment builds’. The don’t want us in single family homes anymore either.
How long before they force us out of our gas powered vehicles.
I knew I put that 400 amp service into the house 40 years ago for some reason. They will force us out of our gas powered vehicles thru pricing. The rural/urban disparity will hit full force. Rural areas that depend on robust transportation will be sacrificed. This will not be a problem for urbanites as they don’t think we should populate rural areas anyway. Destroying rural economies supports eco terrorism but also destroyed much of the political conservatism that remains in the sad country called Canada.
They (urbanites) will then wonder where all the food went?
J West
I’m in agreement. I’ll also ask, “How long before they tax electricity?”
The government will have to replace fossil fuel tax revenue with something.
They do tax electricity, it is called h s t.
VOWG
The HST is a pittance compared to the total tax take on fossil fuels.
Trudeau and Jugmeet will move to increase taxes on electricity to recoup the lost revenues from taxes on fossil fuels.
This will add considerably to the cost of owning an electric vehicle.
joe, it can always be bumped up. How many taxes have you seen go down. Oh look, joe is charging his new electric car, we have an app for that.
And then there’s the famous story in which a certain politician once asked Michael Faraday about the usefulness of electricity. Faraday deftly answered something like “Perhaps you can tax it some day.”
“I will never buy an electric car.”
We’ll check in again in 20 years, when all new cars will be electric.
They can kill gas….but Diesel will be here for a LONG LONG time yet.
I do not foresee our Rail system being changed to Electric anytime soon….nor do I see a Semi-Truck electrified any time soon or Any Seagoing vessel…..yea, not happening in my lifetime or my grandkids lifetime. For ships I could possibly see Nuclear reactors in them….But WHO is going to outlay the Billions required..??
Money Talks and BS walks – DIESEL will be here for a LONG LONG time.
Cars with the little people can go because Big Trucking has to have right-of-way. Big Grocer wants to continue feeding the VIP peopleskind that can afford to eat. / s
Are there enough boys in the Congo to mine all that lithium?
Kids???
Yes, kids. They have boys mining it right there with the adults. Nasty.
“We’ll check in again in 20 years, when all new cars will be electric”
Most of the electricty will be generated by coal fired power plants of course.
I hope by then you’re a proponent of nuclear power. The electricity has to come from somewhere (and distributed somehow) so unless you want to cover every square kilomile with solar cells and windfarms, there will be no “juice” for the “tanks” on all those RVs.
Hmmmm. Lets say 100 unit apartment builds and charging until for every one.
I wonder if they will need to up the electrical service to handle the load. I remember when reading about the Tesla semi’s and re-charging them all at once would put quite a strain on the system.
Dustoff, the current grid anywhere in North America would fail if all vehicles were suddenly electric. The current load capability is non-existent for such a change. Those who are delusional enough to think that this will be a so called carbon free planet with all electricity running things is nothing short of a complete fool. The world as it is would completely collapse without fossil fuels, there isn’t a whit of science to prove me wrong.
VOWG.
I so agree.
These folks are either brain dead, or just fools
Delete “, or just”.
VOWG: EXACTLY.
So, if we were to go FULL on EV: Where do the woke EcoTARDS figure we will source the ELECTRICAL Generation required to fully Charge up North America’s FLEET hmmm..?? say around ~500,000,000+ Vehicles.??
Fossil Fuels.? Pah, not a chance. I include Nat Gas – OIl – Coal
Wind n Solar.? Only in their wet dreams
Hydro.? Show Me a viable river system still UNDEVELOPED..??….in the WORLD.??
And no you bloody well WILL NOT touch Nahanni..!!
The ONLY OPTION Is Nuclear and somehow I don’t see the WWF or Greenpeace sponsoring that…ever.
EV’s for all is a DEAD HORSE and will remain so….unless the idea is to immobilize 8 Billion folks and kill us off..??? hmmm
It is always nice to know someone is thinking. Thanks.
My wife’s friend (doctor) bought a Tesla a few years ago.
She has not said much about any drive-line issues, but is un-happy about driving it during the long winter days in Seattle area.
(battery life)
What makes her really mad is the paint. Pealing off the car and has lost most of it’s glossy look. Yes this car lives in the garage when not in use. Tesla has so far blown her off about any repaint of the car.
Also Tesla heaters are crap and more like warmers than heaters …. you won’t ever be turning down the heat because you are too hot.
My wife’s friend had a Tesla for 1 1/2 years and finally told her husband to “get rid of the fucking Tesla and get me a real car”. She is 60 and was fed up with sitting at charging stations for an hour and a half when going to visit her daughter and grandkids. She didn’t really like other features of the car and is now happy in a gas burner.
I have had two hybrids … a 2008 Toyota Camry hybrid which my daughter still drives …. trouble free as far as the hybrid tech goes. I now drive a 2015 Acura RLX Sport Hybrid which also is trouble free re the hybrid tech. The Camry gets as much as 50 mpg on the highway … the Acura only does 37 mpg highway.
I swear … every other car at the stoplight is a Tesla in my well-heeled, white (and Asian) suburban wonderland here in N.CA. The virtue-signaling is far stronger than logic or reasoning among these overpaid twits.
I can’t wait till we have a gigantic disposal problem with these useless USED cars. They’ll have to bury them in a salt mine under a mountain somewhere … like spent nuclear fuel.
How many windmills will it take to power 270,000.000+ cars? (that’s a 2018 US number from “statista”). We might have to convert our houses to run on gas…
sorry fjb, you will no longer have a house as all land will be needed for wind turbines and solar panels. look for a comfy cave somewhere. You won’t need transportation either so don’t worry about a car. I think food will become the biggest problem.
Sorry. All new Natural Gas connections have been OUTLAWED in Berkeley and San Francisco … with virtually every other city in CA following suit. We already pay through our ass for electricity here in CA … and when it is the ONLY form or domestic and transportation energy … we will all be permanently broke. Living in destitute Energy-Poverty
Besides, automotive speaking, electrical problems are often way harder to find and fix than mechanical ones.
For sure. It gets worse if you have mice or rats living in your garage.
They love electrical wires.
Yes the critters are pyrotechnics and they BBQ themselves. I knew someone who was glad his residence was on an acreage with a detached brick garage. There was a fire one night. Damage was — electrical repair required and the beige colored bricks were a sooty smoky grey black when all was done.
An electric car in every home?
Besides electrical generation capability, every transformer on every street will need to be upgraded at a minimum cost of $10,000.
And whenever the twats in charge want, they can pull the power back from your car – if its still plugged in – and feed it back into the grid. The eco-fucktards don’t mention that aspect.
you are off by at least an order of magnitude.
on top of which, large scale transformers have a long lead time to construct.
Something not to be ignored in the EV:ICE debate: gas/diesel are unregulated in the market; electricity is 100% regulated. Once governments have the majority of vehicles totally under their thumbs, they will be in charge of the entire transportation sector.
Forget about private ownership, low costs and freedom to go where you want, when you want. Freedom and private ownership will disappear under the justification that all vehicles must be pooled. The EV is ideally suited to ride share.
To the extent costs of EV ownership might be lower, the savings won’t be realizable under the smothering impact of layers upon layers of government policy/taxation.
And of course, we will learn that climate change could never have been altered by something as trivial as EV vs ICE.
Good points, especially the ride sharing, although not for the privileged, because there won’t be enough battery material, electrical generation or capacity.