What would be necessary? Here’s a quick list I threw together. Undoubtedly incomplete.
– Take responsibility for 1/35th of federal debt as of November, 2015. I think it was around $620B so that would be $17.7B. This is to be paid to the Gov’t of Canada over twenty years without interest. ($870M/yr)
– Pay 1/35 of Canada’s November 2015 Defence budget of $23B yearly to the Gov’t of Canada. This is $657M/yr or until such time as Saskatchewan deems necessary to provide for our own defence.
– A flat tax on all income, personal and corporate.
– Look towards Switzerland for banking regulation.
– All current Indian Reservations remain under the purview of the Gov’t of Canada and outside the responsibility of the Gov’t of Saskatchewan. All Status Indians remain Canadian Citizens with the right to immigrate to become a Saskatchewan Citizen with all the Rights and Responsibilities that entails.
– Until such time as Saskatchewan law can be clarified, Saskatchewan will continue to enforce the Canadian Criminal code as it exists from the point of separation.
– Freedom of speech, property rights, freedom of assembly, freedom of religion, the right to firearms, the right to not self-incrimate, the right to due process, and freedom of the press be enshrined
– Elected Judges with 10 year terms.
– An appointed Supreme Court by the legislative body.
– Saskatchewan will continue to hire the RCMP to enforce the law until such time as a Saskatchewan police force can come into being.
– Saskatchewan will take over responsibility for all Canadian National Parks within the boundaries.
– Cede employment insurance to private enterprise.
– Convert to the US dollar as the currency.
– Fund Consulates in the US, European capitals, Japan, India, Israel, China and Russia.
– Take over border entry points from the Gov’t of Canada.
– Saskatchewan remains a subject of Her Majesty, the Queen of Canada to be finalized via referendum at a later date.
– Existing trade agreements between Saskatchewan and Canadian Provinces remain in effect for five years.
– Four year election cycle utilizing first past the post using the current Legislative districts to be modified for at most one representative per 30,000 citizens.
– Existing rail Right of Way is to remain the property of the railroads.
– Dual citizenship will be recognized with the US or any member of the former British Commonwealth.
…and probably a pile of more stuff.
My mom was born in Moose Jaw.
I knew that would be useful someday.
Consider making all judges elected and I’ll immigrate.
You know, there’s nothing quite as annoying as a Québec separatist.
And nothing quite so whiny as a Western one.
Have a great Thanksgiving weekend!
As I pointed out here the other day while discussing Alberta separation, at least one massive problem would still exist for ANY independent state.
How do you perform the magical act of ridding yourself of leftardism? The entire free world has been under siege by this godawful mental illness, I don’t see anything unique to immunize Sask.. If your ultimate goal is simply to send your tax dollars to pig-troughers in Regina instead of Ottawa, what’s the point?
To think an independent Saskatchewan would suddenly be free of the destructive ideologies of socialist activists, globalists and leftard politicians requires a pretty heavily tinted pair of rose-colored glasses. Are you going to go all NORK and block the CBC, MSM, Hollyweird, etc at your borders? Maybe you can do what leftards dream of doing and make conservative thinking mandatory.
But, I suspect you would find out the true level of entrenched leftardism in Saskatchewan the moment you tried to tell teacher’s and their unions to change the curriculum.
Finally, a tiny land-locked nation 100% dependent on foriegn states to reach international markets would be a nightmare, especially with a protectionist agenda in the US and probable hard feelings in what’s left of Canada. Good luck with investment when you can’t get to ANY major market without Canada or the US “allowing you”, first.
I certainly understand the level of frustration, I share it. But to me, “running away” really doesn’t solve anything, as a matter of fact, it would add to your problems immeasurably.
They can’t rid themselves of it considering Tommy Douglas and the rest of the CCF/SoCreds are from there originally. Sask has too many natives and public service union workers to even start to think about separating. Alberta doesn’t want them for this exact same reason.
Lance, if you insists on mas-ter-bate-ing in public like this, at least try to hide it a bit. It’s a family site.
A draft from several years ago:
http://www.winface.com/smith/optout.html
Your secessionist platform reads like that of the Western Independence Party of Saskatchewan, which currently doesn’t have enough supporters to even run its own website.
So, good luck with your thing.
“Finally, a tiny land-locked nation 100% dependent on foriegn states ….”
What, you mean problems like a pipeline being blocked??
In case you haven’t noticed, that is PRECISELY what turdeau intends to do to the west.
Plus, the major market IS the US. They will consume absolutely everything we can produce and they will love us for it. A country of a million people that are NOT, in any way, an economic, military, or cultural threat wants to sell them natural resources that they absolutely need. Yah, this is gonna be a problem.
Lance’s list is an OK start, but I would NOT want to keep canadian military or police inside our borders. We need our own police force from day one and a small militia for the first years. Not like Canada is a real military threat and the US would understand that we need time to develop a military, a small military.
Elected Judges, answerable to the gov’t if their rulings are consistently overturned and term limits for absolutely ALL elected officials at all levels. Max of 12 years total in any combination of elected office. No office eligibility until 35 years of age. We need elected officials who have at least worked a little and will have to work again after they leave office (so they can feel the shit that they might create).
As long as you conquer Ontario and level Toronto and Ottawa within 10 years of independence, I’m all for it.
”The first thing we do, let’s kill all the lawyers,” William Shakespeare, Henry VI.
Right at the top of your list.
It would make more sense for Alberta, Saskatchewan and Manitoba to form a super-province. Alberta has oil & gas and Manitoba has tidewater.
This would kill transfer payments.
This would kill a continuous continental railroad.
This would block B.C. from Ontario.
This would force Ontario to look after Quebec and all the eastern provinces.
You’ve got to separate with both feet.
Sure. That’ll happen. Right after Juthtin joins the Conservatives.
In addition to lances start ….I would offer to other provinces including Yukon ,nwt,bc,Alberta,Manitoba if we could get those provinces on board it would be huge advantage. I agree with everything lance said except 2 things 1) no more reservations or Indian special interests that is all gone away with 2) No freedom of religion….I would reword it so that certain groups could worship freely but place 0 burdens on the gov and or private businesses to fund,build,pay for or support or recognize in anyway their religion.
Some other points .
All males will spend up to 2 years minimum 1 year in military training and will be called upon to fight to defend the country until the age of 65 if required .
Deficit spending would be illegal and punishable by jail time or hard labour this would keep the politicians in line , as well completely eliminate the welfare state , gov would be in charge of expanding and maintaining infrastructure, parks,military,boarders,and enforcing contracts between two or more parties.
We would have a wall a big beautiful wall with one or two small doors running along the Manitoba Ontario boarder on our side of the wall we would have our dumps, and our prisons.
We would also be very friendly to the USA in as muc capacity as we could , i.e. Recognize their second amendment as a sign of solidarity and trust with them their citizens could legally carry in our country .
Public sector unions would absolutely be banned, abortion would be banned and considered murder
we would recognize only two sexes/genders and one language in our country
Marriage would not be the business of gov on the flip side it would be impossible to sue any business for refusing to serve a customer for any reason .
Treason would very much be a law ad punishable by hanging in the public square, and the death penalty would be a non argument it would be enshrined into the constitution as we can see what happens when bad people are kept alive ….it’s the tax payers that are actually put in jail.
I would reward good law abiding citizens in as much ways as possible I would keep the politicians as poor as possible so you know they have pure hearts and just want to serve …taking bribes as a politician is considered treason.
The government would never be allowed to create any law that hindered,slowed,removed,restricted,obfuscated,impeded ,or out right banned any gun or any part of a gun , or anything related to a gun including the shipping, handling,moving,holding,carrying of any gun or part or accessory or ammunition or any part of ammunition or ammunition storage,or carry, the gov would be charged with treason if they brought up gun control ever the politicians who put forward any bill to control or regulate the manufacture of sale of or in Any way prohibit citizens from carrying owning buying any gun or gun accessory including magazines, ammunition,scopes,suppressors,or anything related to guns those politicians would be immediately removed from office and a snap election would be held in their constituancy.
We would have a stupid law where if you did something very stupid and it required the gov to use resources to rescue you or help you , you would be on the hook for paying it all back in full. (This law exists in Arizona)
That’s just a start. I would go on about trade and taxes but maybe later.
Only one question: can I immigrate?
Alternatively, we could encourage Ontario and Quebec to secede.
Too many arbitrary “thou shalts” in this that will piss off a lot of people. Compulsory military service sounds great but you cannot afford to remove 5% of the productive work force and pay it a government salary while investing billions training and arming it. Then what? Then these kids and their families and the government still need to finance an education/trade after that? This is Big Government forcibly removing kids from their families and these kids are going to go elsewhere to avoid this nonsense. Keep it voluntary but definitely incentivise it.
You cannot arbitrarily apply rules about controversial social issues. That comes across as Big Government/Big Religion laying down the law. People HATE that. Stay the flack out of it altogether. Its none of the Governments business.
How do you prevent the ROC from freezing assets, putting up massive trade walls, taxing capital and who knows what else that will totally degrade and destroy financial assets held by western Canadians?
The whole thing comes across as if it is being pushed by a bunch of angry cranks. No Founding Fathers in this bunch.
Why pay the debt without interest?
Makes no sense, well it does from the leaver point of view.
If it wasn’t for your darned winters, I’d retire to a Free Saskatchewan. The only issue I have is that Sask has essentially been leftist (provincially) for a very long time. Perhaps, you can enshrine that only people who have either a full-time job or are property owners can vote–this would alleviate the “free stuff” crowd from overwhelming those who work for a living and increasing the size of the “gimme free stuff” departments in government, which would increase the taxes on the population.
You’d still have the Atlantic Provinces (which are a huge economic drain). If only those provinces (with a combined population of the GTA) realized that supporting four provincial governments was a huge drain on the wealth of the population….But they’re either too stupid, too proud or both.
1. Obviously this is never going to happen. Do please cite the poll showing better than single-digit support for independence.
2. The option of independence is not practicable – being landlocked IS a huge issue.
3. The only option that wouldn’t involve joining AB and BC in forming a country that would work is asking to become the 51st state.
4. And #3 would be a very difficult one for the US as SK would be a Small Democrat state – it would likely only be offered territory status like Puerto Rico.
Yes…. exactly… these problems are occurring while Sask is still IN Canada. Infuriating and economically crippling problems that leaving can only make far worse. Thank you for making my second point so succinctly for me.
Saskatchewan is truly blessed with some spectacular natural resources, but they will never, ever reach their true potentials without guaranteed access to international markets. You seem to not grasp the concept or the realities of being landlocked. Again, with the natural resources Sask has, along with the international demand, being satisfied with relying solely on the US as a customer for every single industry is some of the stupidest economic logic I have ever heard. Convince BC/AB, Man or NWT to leave with you, at least you would have a fighting chance at survival.
Also, you completely ignored my main point that Sask is far from being a leftard-free zone.
Sorry, but I can’t help giggling at some of these lists of changes(manifestos)presented as if everybody in Sask has the same political bent and would cheer them on. How naive since, as Deplorable Sean and others have already pointed out, Sask’s hands aren’t exactly clean when it comes to the history of socialism in greater Canada.
Western independence is not likely but certainly possible. Not likely as most citizens are not pressured enough as they collect their monthly welfare cheques. Certainly possible when the inevitable fiscal crisis hits Canada. If/when Ottawa losses the ability to pay ‘dolly’ then all questions come to roost. Most Canadians should know that Ontario/Quebec have the biggest provincial debts with a combined total rivaling the Federal government debt. AT some point these two will have to make a play for Federal money. This is above what they are scamming today. Increased health care or unfunded pensions are likely triggers.
Unlikely? When one considers the passage of time and the fact that a serious separatist has not arisen is a good predictor of the future. When Reform started it was to guarantee a seat at the table for Western provinces. That table was to be a negotiation for a renewal of Confederation. Manning and Harper did not get the job done. Any effort has to have a minimum of Alberta and Saskatchewan, ideally BC on board. BC has to look seriously as isolation is a threat. IMHO debt will destroy Canada.
This was my first draft yesterday for Alberta,
First,
a short (two weeks) province wide general strike, sending a loud and clear message to current provincial legislature, including all coal plants, all oil sands/convention oil & gas activity, any refinery capacity in excess of provincial requirements
Second,
blockade any/all exports in/out of the province, and send the Arse-E-M-P and all other federal agencies/boards packing
Third,
raise a NWMP force, and a loyal militia, no easterners need apply
Fourth,
all eastern Canadians residing/working in the province are to be registered for future consideration
Five,
all environmental groups stand by for marching orders
Six,
suffrage is limited to independent citizens, no government workers may vote, no politicians may vote
Seven thru Eleventeen are work in progress…
do you want American Expats?
Cause this is how you get American Expats!
This could be a start. Manitoba and Alberta are also being hurt big time by this decision. I am getting so sick of prime ministers and other politicians from Quebec screwing western Canada. Trudeau and Carr pretend they are not pleased but inwardly they are dancing with Butts.
Except for a few brief periods of friendly administrations, the western provinces have been milked by the Laurentian Elite and Liberal cabal for over a hundred years. Even during the early 1900s negotiations for the establishment of the provinces of Manitoba, Saskatchewan, and Alberta the eastern establishment feared a future strong large single province made up of the three smaller ones and a population made up of immigrants not under the thumb of the Laurentian Elites.
“….problems that leaving can only make far worse. ”
Turdeau has set his mind, well – his backers have set their minds, to crippling the west and acting as our eastern overlords. They actively despise us and WANT to hurt us. Can’t see how it can get much worse than that! The worst we would get from washington is ambivalent indifference, and I can live with that. All we want is their market access, not their gov’t attention.
Land-locked to the US is NOT an impediment.
However, yes- we’ve got a leftard issue to deal with. IT is a serious problem. The easiest way to remove the problem is to remove the source, public funds. Reduce the size of gov’t and the reach of gov’t. The older dippers are about to die off and the younger ones haven’t worked yet. With some incentives, we could get the youth willing to work a job and those not willing to leave. It may sound crazy, but temporarily shutting down our universities would be a very good start (5-10 years). They are not institutes of higher learning anymore, just continued indoctrination. Destroy them and start again. Just leave the actual training institutes, you know – the ones that teach people a real profession.
A bigger problem is indians. They are better armed, better organised, and have many friends that would quickly turn all our reservations into OKAs. It simply would not be feasible to leave the reservation system in place nor is it feasible to make them regular joes. I don’t see a solution to this and for me this is the real killer.
To those that say it just sounds like a bunch of crazy white men and there are no FFs here, well- check your history. Were the FFs a bunch of guys that were happy with Ole Georgie on the throne? Did they draft the declaration over a beer as a lark? Of course it was angry white men that started a real change. It’s ALWAYS angry white men that institute real positive change!
Will sask likely secede, 1000:1 against but….
So there really is a place called Saskatchewan?
Have they run out of all other place names?
Does Saskatoon, Saskatchewan have wider envelopes than the rest of Canada? Why not?
Is Saskatchewan full of kidders?
Why else would they want to start a country with Lotusland, NDPBerta, TommysHome and anyplace that is almost bilingual that has Winnipeg in it?
All you need to replicate current Canada is some Quebec multi-millionaires to run things!
AL
8:
BOYCOTT
Refuse to purchase any goods from enemy territory (BC, Quebec, Ontario, Atlantic Canada, China). Do not spend a dime of your money where these enemy businesses and govts would receive a benefit. Refuse to patronage any business you see advertising on the big media platforms. Promote your boycott. Spread it on facebook, twitter, blogs, call in radio, etc. It is hard at first but you will be able to source other sellers with a bit of leg work. Truly, starve the beast.
BOYCOTT THEIR WORKERS
Hire local and train if you have to. Let those from enemy territory know why you won’t hire them. Shove it in their face. I have relatives and friends down east who openly cheer for our demise out here, you would not believe how they see the world. They definitely do not support our way of life, why should we support theirs? Call them out. We didn’t start it, we didn’t want it, but we are gonna give it to them now that it’s they who started it.
Trudeau and Carr pretend they are not pleased but inwardly they are dancing with Butts.
I think we can bet that Butts certainly will. After all, he stated publicly that we need an “alternate” economy and we know what that means.
Then again, a certain all-wise, all-knowing contributor to SDA insisted in a different thread that the Trudeau gang had nothing to do with the decision. (Was that a pig that just flew by my window?)
Been reading the CBC?
Uninformed or misinformed?
The Maritimes wanted the pipeline.
Except for the usual environmental etc zealots.
It’s all on Quebec and the Liberals and their environmental virtue-signalling!
Saint John NB loses a $300 million plant and much more!
Unfortunately, all the media in all 4 provinces is owned by just 2 entities, so neither Liberals nor Quebec will be held to account.
One of these entities, with large govt contracts, christened the new Liberal govt with a column detailing the closeness of the publisher and ownership to various elected Liberal Party members.
Tell me anyone, is there a single elected official in Canada that speaks the truth or are we that badly owned?
Yeah, got to get out of Canada, but don’t even try independence. Just immediately declare that we are a US state, and send two senators to Washignton. IMMEDIATELY. Don’t even ask permission. Just do it. Immediately invalidate all Canadian legal precedent.
As for public unions, don’t attack them; instead, the pensions become their responsibility. Tax money no longer pays pensions; You contract SGEU for road maintenance. Government pays no salaries; you contract with SGEU for 1, 5, 10 years, SGEU pays salaries to people, government pays SGEU. SGEU can have whatever pension scheme they want for their employees. Whatever pension scheme SGEU has, is not backed in any way by the state. Just throw the hot potato to them. If SGEU will not accept the money we want to pay, contract with someone else for road maintenance.
Tax money can pay for representatives; after that, the representative can pay for as much staff, office, that the representative wants.
I think you have to put a hard limit on how big the government can be. Something like 1% of the adult population. So if SK has 1,000,000 people, government can have no more than 10,000 employees. And I would lump all levels together. What good is it to have a school board with 10,000 employees, a town council with 10,000 employees (one for every town), a county with 10,000 employees (one for every county), and a state on top of all that with another 10,000 employees? Pretty soon, you end up with a population of 1,000,000, and a government of 500,000. Which is where we are today.
#SKExit after 50 +1.
Trudeau backed by the EU/ UN would send in troops and beat down Sask referendum voters like Catalonia raised baby seals.
Do Canadians seriously believe they have any say in matters of real importance? How cute.
Hearing it more and more often . Most of the good things in life lie a little on the other side of fear .
Against a cascade of rotten tomatoes Me No Dhimmi declares that he can’t decide which of the two is the sillier dream:
– Sask sessession.
– CBC sell off.
And explaining ones self is so droll.
“A rhetorical question is asked just for effect or to lay emphasis on some point discussed when no real answer is expected. A rhetorical question may have an obvious answer but the questioner asks rhetorical questions to lay emphasis to the point. In literature, a rhetorical question is self-evident and used for style as an impressive persuasive device.
Broadly speaking, a rhetorical question is asked when the questioner himself knows the answer already or an answer is not actually demanded. So, an answer is not expected from the audience. Such a question is used to emphasize a point or draw the audience’s attention”
“Irony employed in the service of mocking or attacking someone is sarcasm. Saying “Oh, you’re soooo clever!” with sarcasm means the target is really just a dunderhead.”
Pick one. Always. Clever guy.
I repeat my comment because the Canada I use to cherish is broken!
It’s time to leave Canada! Denis Coderre and Justin have stabbed Western Canada in the back! Build a huge oil refinery near Lloydminister! Build our own pipelines to Montana and North Dakota!
Use the port of Churchill for our ocean access! Rail lines need fixing as the Liberals under Trudeau have said they wouldn’t help Manitoba with them! The refinery, pipelines to the USA, and rail lines would be paid in part with our Equalization payments to the East!
Free The West State will include MANITOBA, SASKATCHEWAN,AND ALBERTA! ANY GOODS FROM THE EAST AND AND BRITISH COLUMBIA will have substantial trade tariffs put on them! Especially those coming from MONTREAL!
MR.BRAD WALL will be asked to be our first Prime Minister! AND OUR NATIONAL ANTHEM WILL BE “LEARNING TO FLY” BY TOM PETTY!!
We will take the Canadian Dollar with us because THE WEST have worked the hardest! We’ll leave the East the Supreme COURT!
Please take Alberta with you, we promise we will get rid of Rachel Notley & her NDP fools
Please take BC with you, we promise to get rid of whoever is running the province now. WARNING: many of the Westcoasters have an infectious ‘progressive’ bent. Retirees from AB and Sask are slowly exerting influence. I believe Stockwell still lives in the Okanagan.
All this aside. Until conservatives exert control over education, media and government infrastructure none of this will have long term traction.
Some great ideas here but I’m disappointed in the overall ignorance of some of the commentators about how hobbled a landlocked nation would be. I guess a lot of you have never travelled or looked at a map. I believe Switzerland has been a land-locked nation for quite a few years and has been relatively successful for most of that time. There is an old expression “Where there is a will, there is a way.” The secret is to only allow those with the same will (beliefs) to live in the country. Diversity by its very definition is divisive.
Lance, so much work!
Just do everything in cash, like they do in Italy. Between the Italians, the Greeks and a couple more deadbeat countries, they’ve almost managed to drain Germany dry.
Oil? Leave it in the ground. It’ll be worth a lot more someday soon.
Be a have-not province, like Ontario. Take all the welfare you can get, and laugh.
If there is to be talk of western separatism, let’s go all the way and include everything west of Thunder Bay. That makes more sense economically and I think the resulting new nation would be a viable entity. I am not sure what the rest of Canada would be, but bankrupt comes to mind.
Not relevant. Switzerland is not dependent on high bulk exports for its national income. It also has multiple choices for border crossings; Canada does not.
I believe Switzerland has been a land-locked nation for quite a few years and has been relatively successful for most of that time.
Yeah, but which fascist state will Saskatchewan find to collaborate with and hide all that stolen gold and art?
I’m pretty sure our worlds best ever Constitution allows Canadians to self identify as whatever they want.
And since pretty much every part of Canada is a soul-sucking Socialist/Crony Capitalist/Fascist/BunchofMorons lost cause, then I’m going to self identify as a Tahitian.
I hereby demand the government provide me a beach, a palm tree and suitably attired, easily identifiable gender appropriate companionship.
Send the bill to the joie de vivre folks.
Well, Gord, maybe it is too early to consider separatism – but if our conservative politicos had two brain cells to rub together, they’d realize that they’ve just won the next election.
Were I king of conservatism in Canada I would do a Donald Trump on Turdo La Doo’s useless butt: “Vote for me and his tax on small business will be rescinded…”. And as for this? Easy-peasy: “given the politics and economics involved – in order to help the western provinces weather the current slump in the oil industry – the transfer payments from the western provinces will be cut by at least 20%, and Queerbec’s take of those transfer payments will be re-distributed to other have-not provinces…”
You CINO cucks in Ontario and Quebec forget that you are hated by 2/3’s of the country and the sharp politician will jump on that and play it for all it’s worth. People are sick and tired of paying frog-geld to frogs that don’t go away.
“Well, Gord, maybe it is too early to consider separatism – but if our conservative politicos had two brain cells to rub together, they’d realize that they’ve just won the next election.”
Dead wrong. No one ever won an election by overestimating the intelligence of the average voter. Canadians were stupid enough to vote for Spawn and his crew of crooks last time. There’s no reason to presume they can’t do it again.
Also you need to be reminded that what handed Spawn the last election was the disintegration of the NDP. Hence the Libs have moved solidly to the left and will continue to do so to hang onto their hordes of new leftist voters.
As for separatism, if Sask and Alb are having problems now getting product to tidewater, how can anyone possibly imagine that being in a separate country will aid this?
There will never be any viable attempt of separation until such time as you’ve gotten the attention of the progs, in Ottawa.
Apparently the only was to do that is by violence, it appears that if you blow up some mail boxes, and shoot a federal government minister, like the FLQ, or riot and do a stand off, as in Oka, Ipperwash, or Caledonia, then and only then, will the knobs in Ottawa, will come to the table cravenly, sniveling and the media suddenly will find that you may have some small, inconsequential reason for grievances.
The rules have been established, blow stuff up, and shoot some feds, then you get their attention..
Expect vast amounts of money to be thrown at your provinces in the subsequent referendums… After a suitable skim by the libs of course Sarc
There will never be any viable attempt of separation until such time as you’ve gotten the attention of the progs, in Ottawa.
Recent history also shows that flying planes into buildings also seems to work.
Rex Murphy’s conclusion:
“We had one bout of Western alienation under Trudeau 1. It would be wise to avoid another under Trudeau 2, although it very much looks like we will not.”
h/t Canada’s PET POT Cemetery Report.
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http://nationalpost.com/opinion/rex-murphy-deliverology-where-are-thy-successes
The most important restriction on the government is restricting the government’s ability to tax and fund itself. I would suggest that in the constitution is the principle that all levels of government are restricted to 20% of GDP. If the government wants to grow or begin a new program they can only do so after the GDP has increased sufficiently to keep the increase within the constitutional mandate.
i see alot of great ideas for separation of the west from the east. It shows the idea of separation is on the minds of many. I think it is possible if we can sell the difficulties to the general public but also selling the amazing rewards as well.
The west has been kicked around for alooong time and this current prime minister really doesnt hide it and so i think separation peacefully is the only way to go. i know usa would support this 100% give them a resource pay day to protect us until we have a functioning constitution government and military. the days of this choke hold of these stupid career politicians is over its going to be alot of noth and south east and west …north korea south korea , north sudan south sudan ect ect people are tired of pulling the wieght of the lazy. i think the biggest issue for the west is killing permanently the welfare state.