At least two dead.
Dozens wounded.
Morning update — carnage. Too many headlines to link here. As usual, on events such as this, we recommend Drudge Report.
More developments… ISIS claims responsibility. They don’t generally do this, unless they’ve been responsible.
Probably the perp:
http://www.cougarboard.com/board/message.html?id=18555678
that should wipe the Islamic terror attack in Edmonton from the news in Canada.
Reuters is reporting 50 dead, over 200 injured. This just sucks.
Last report live with the sheriff was 50+ and over 200 injured. Dead suspect names sounds american.
So, where do we go from here? More politicians coming out in condemnation and carrying on until the next one?
During the second world war, in small towns and cities across the country people with German names were visited by the RCMP and questioned, they knew the enemy and trusted no one who might have connections.
We would never be allowed to do that now, Charter rights/multiculturalism/political correctness are a team conducive to taking us down as a strong cohesive and safe country.
This is war, we need to fight it differently, we need to override many things offered in a free society,
even rank stupidity.
USA does not need tighter gun control it just needs to ban liberals and Muslims from owning guns period.
FFS more gun control?
Automatic weapons are effectively banned in the states. You propose to make them banned-er?
I dont disagree with you, and here’s a couple of additional very basic questions. ….
Would you go to bed and leave your front door unlocked?
Would you open your door to a stranger, without asking who they might be, and what it is they wanted?
No
Then why is Canada not asking some serious questions of people who seek shelter here.
Liz,
On second thought, let’s light some candles and pray….after all, that’s worked for Paris. /sarcasm.
We do have this kinda problem but our craziest are 1/10 the crazy as Americans have you not seen the insanity of American leftists?
And yes I’m gonna call it now the shooter is an anti trump anti republican anti American leftists or a tiff psycho off his meds ……
Creepy clown you have no cop friends in Canada do you? I do suicides and shootings are just as frequent , mass shootings not so much because the rcmp and cisis are not afraid to be called racist or anti Muslim they do their jobs.
Who else would shoot up a COUNTRY music concert full of white, mostly conservative trump supporting republicans?
Anyway I am very sad to see more Americans mowed down like this again , it is a tradgety and my thoughts and prayers go out to all affected by this yet again senseless act of anti human violence.
God bless America she needs your help lord.
Canadians are sitting ducks for something like this to happen and it could happen here’s hoping it doesn’t .
Judging from the rapid pop-pop-pop, it was automatic rifle fire. I’ll be interested to hear more about the shooter’s arsenal, i.e., how he obtained these weapons.
(This is an area where the media is quite egregiously awful; they never seem to have any reporters with any useful inkling about firearms. It’s always “assault rifles” or “military-grade weapons”, terms which have no real meaning at all because they are based only on the appearance of the weapon rather than its functioning. By that standard, a BB gun modelled to look like an AK is an assault rifle too.)
“that should wipe the Islamic terror attack in Edmonton from the news in Canada.”
I imagine the LPC and allies are dancing a jig this AM, while at the same time, reminding themselves to practice looking terribly sad for the cameras.
A truly horrible and senseless waste of life in Vegas. Sad to roam an internet this AM, chalk full of losers desperate to attach an ideology to the shooter so they can make some self-righteous partisan hay out of this tragedy. My thoughts are with those lost and those currently suffering through the physical and/or mental trauma.
Sigh.
Our culture has been ripped since the sixties, our entire education system has been designed to attack from within, any and all traditions, civility, Christian religions, etc. have become objects of derision and disrespect.
People like this shooter aren’t attached to anything or anyone and are easily influenced, even primed,towards hatred, he probably saw himself as a victim, and as we all know, getting people to see themselves as victims is a great way to spur them to violent action, ‘progressives’ always employ this strategy.
That’s where we are at…we are in such a state we automatically make assumptions…that’s all stemming from those who do terrorist acts in democracies around the world.
We still do not know the full story on the Vegas shooter.
“We still do not know the full story on the Vegas shooter.”
Yes, in this case, we have nothing substantive yet to go on (other than it does not appear to have been the act of an Islamic extremist).
However, I don’t doubt that, in the coming days, we will have to be very alert in fishing out the facts from the impending tsunami of media noise and hype.
“That’s where we are at…we are in such a state we automatically make assumptions…”
Making assumptions may or may not be automatic, but posting them publicly in conservative blog comment sections definitely isn’t.
The debate over this will no doubt turn political instead of what it ought to be, evil vs good. God and the Devil. Followers of Jesus or followers of everything else which tries to take His place and be a god.
There is much wringing of hands within the liberal world, take away anything which will hurt or harm because people do not have the ability to have self control therefore it is the duty and obligation of the State to make people safe. Conservatives will blame liberals because they have opened the doors to every and all vice and that liberals have legislated, that to stop any person from pursuing those vices inhumane and bigotry.
It is becoming abundantly clear that the divide between evil and good is becoming more contrasted.
It is wicked to see so many killed and wounded, the mourning will be great and the grief palpable. Condolences and prayers to them all.
Captcha: “PRIVATE POLICE”
Machine guns are very tightly regulated under U.S. law. Where he got it is the question. His brother claims surprise at reports of a cache of guns; Paddock might have had one or two.
When it is taking a long time for the police and / or media to tell us if the shooter was a liberal or a conservative ( or a muslim sympathiser) it USUALLY means the shooter was a liberal/leftist and /or a muslim sympathiser.
if he had been a Trump supporter the media would have told us BEFORE they would have told us how many were killed.
The longer it takes for the ” authorities” to tell us who the guy was ( not his name ) the higher the odds the guy was on the left.
Let me fix that for you: |We live in this wonder land where everyone has rights rather than (responsibilities).
When was the last time you heard about a child killing somebody with a gun? You live a dreamworld, CCZZZZ, take a look at Chicago and all the killings there. Tribalism at its finest, straight out of Africa.
Amazing how you liberals view the world, control everything instead of teaching people about their human nature and how it can become so twisted without God. The Truth is what sets people free to do good, to live in peace and help others. Doesn’t that actually sound better?
ISIS claims responsibility:
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/10/isis-claims-responsibility-las-vegas-attack-says-suspect-converted-islam-months-ago/
Whether it’s true remains to be seen. The shooter’s companion/girlfriend is still at large.
The immediate assumption that the shooter might have been an Islamic extremist is not an unreasonable one even if, as it appears in this case, it was unfounded.
There is a discrete but important difference between jumping to a conclusion based on past experience and jumping to a conclusion based on mere prejudice.
At the height of the IRA bombing campaign in the UK, it was not unreasonable to assume – absent the facts – that any explosion in London was caused by the IRA.
Well, since they haven’t said “Trump supporter”, we can safely assume Democrat. Some dude figured “only white supremacists like country music”. It will be “mentally ill” before supper time.
I also note they have not used the word “white”. So this shooting does not fit the narrative.
For what it’s worth, this link says ISIS is claiming responsibility, that the shooter is a convert.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/las-vegas-isis-shooting-claims-stephen-paddock-responsibility-latest-a7978941.html
This many people are killed and wounded in that bastion of gun control south side Chicago every month.
Not a peep from BLM or the usual media suspects.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4940918/Details-Las-Vegas-shooting-suspect-Stephen-Paddock.html
See the shooter’s profile here, and for other details Drudge is a good place to look.
A number of news outlets are reporting this similar story, that ISIS is claiming the shooter as being a new convert from a few months ago. I don’t know if they typically claim others as their own, only that initial reports are often wrong…
Robert Spencer’s group, Jihad Watch
https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/10/las-vegas-attacker-converted-to-islam-a-few-months-ago-islamic-state-claims-responsibility-for-attack
Pamela Geller’s site,
https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/isis-vegas.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
The Right Scoop,
http://therightscoop.com/isis-just-claimed-the-las-vegas-mass-shooting-says-the-shooter-converted-to-islam/
Breitbart picks up the same info, adding Hillary Clinton’s utter idiocy on silencers
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2017/10/02/las-vegas-report-one-gunman-open-fire-mandalay-bay-casino/
I wonder… which one of Alynski’s rules is it to make the other side live up to their own rules? If he IS a convert to islam… do you think we could get auntie Maxine to say “muslim gun ban”?
Just a quick off topic here, but what I have noticed over the last several years is that most libertarians seem to be just a bunch of financially conservative leftists.
Watched a video from a phone, that was fully auto fire. Those weapons are tightly controlled so there is no way any “gun control” changes will make any difference. The person either bought them legally and was without a criminal record, or he bought them illegally because he has a criminal record. Outlawing something, or making it harder to get, just increases the price on the black market. Ownership of a hand gun in Canada is onerous, but you can still buy them illegally if you know where to look.
Call it a mass shooting for now, but if they find any kind of manifesto or link to an organization they can rename it terrorism. Terrorism is used to identify events that are carried out for a reason, to terrorize people due to some belief or cause. Until they can find a reason or a cause this is just a lone nut shooting up a crowd for no discernible reason.
It happened before, it will happen again, and no one has to like it. I imagine there are many in the media relieved that it was a lone white nut job this time.
ISIS is claiming he’s a recent convert. Not sure I believe them, but he fits no other common mass murder pattern.
In light of this tragedy and the coming demands for more gun control I wonder if we in Canada have by happenchance side stepped a similar tragedy.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/337-charges-1.4300747
Our gun controls are far more onerous than those in America and yet the suspect in Pickering had an arsenal at his or others disposal. The point here is that those intent on committing atrocities and mayhem are not deterred by laws. These same people are often susceptible to the victimization mantra that has swept the West in the last twenty years or so. We’ll have to wait and see how the MSM portrait the suspect in this latest horror, the caveat here however is can we trust the MSM to deliver the truth?
Here ya go Creepy, over 500 homicides this year. I did not comb the numbers but this link has 10 deaths, all by gunshot. I imagine that there will some knife or blunt force homicides in this list but the vast majority are gunshot.
http://homicides.suntimes.com/2017/09/28/week-in-review-10-more-killed-as-chicago-surpasses-the-500-homicide-mark-for-the-year/
Chicago is good example of very strict gun control laws that have a near zero effect on homicides.
Thomson Reuters:
“Islamic State has claimed responsibility for a shooting that killed at least 50 people and wounded over 400 in Las Vegas early on Monday, and said the attacker had converted to Islam a few months ago.
“The Las Vegas attack was carried out by a soldier of the Islamic State and he carried it out in response to calls to target states of the coalition,” the group’s news agency Amaq said in reference to the U.S.-led coalition fighting the group in the Middle East.
“The Las Vegas attacker converted to Islam a few months ago,” Amaq added.”
http://news.trust.org/item/20171002142139-okyax
Hey clown … everything you wanted to know about Chicago idiocy. Yeah, I used to live near there.
http://heyjackass.com/category/2017-stats/
This perps (somewhat estranged) brother claims that nobody saw this coming, and that something … “must have just snapped”. Bullshit! What I know so far …
1. Checked into the hotel a week ahead of the shooting
2. Brought an Arsenal of 10 guns into his room
3. Brought hundreds, if not thousands of rounds into his room
4. Had fully automatic weapons … perhaps several
5. Had super large magazines … perhaps drums for continuous fire
6. Had special equipment with him to remove the sealed window wall of a high rise building
7. Planned for a crowded concert with no, slow, escape
8. Had a muzzle flash suppressor to make pinpointing his shooting nest difficult
9. Set up cameras to warn of first responder approach
This man did NOT “just snap”. This man dedicated himself to careful, strategic planning, plotting, and execution of his mass murder. Yeah … the longer it takes the MSM to reveal his political affiliation … the more likely it will be hardcore Democrat, UNIONISTA, leftist. This man did not … “just snap”. The HATE had boiled up in this reprobate … most likely since last Nov. 9. Yes … cue the leftist media to blame Trump.
It’s only a matter of time before CNN blames Trump for the Vegas shooting, after all CNN did say Trump was responsible for the hurricanes.
500 injured 58 dead. That’s 500-600 rounds. In 10-15 minutes? That’s 40-50 rounds per minute.
Some Milo fanpage seems to be stitching things together. We’ll see as time goes on.
https://twitter.com/MiloYiannopfans/status/914878706803408896
I don’t think these were full autos. The guys probably used a trigger crank like this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U367DNjLbk.
Why do so many trolls show up here to comment and then while trying to dazzle us with their brilliance put their ignorance on display for all to see.
Pamela Geller is saying ISIS doesn’t take credit for deeds it hasn’t done / played an islamic role in.
https://pamelageller.com/2017/10/isis-vegas-terror-mental-illness.html/?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook
Wow, we are in quite a quandary, here.
Who can be trusted more, ISIS or the MSM? Both institutions seem chalk full of lying, hateful cowards.
It is an Islamic terror MO to falsely claim responsibility for any attack such as this. The shooter’s profile, so far, shows no signs of any links with Islam. ISIS are low-life, evil sacks of lying shit… in case anyone here has forgotten.
On the flip side, I have been stunned at how many keep referring to Muslim as a race. Although still somewhat rare, being white DOES NOT exclude someone from following the Koran. It’s possible he converted but it seems an awful short period of time to go hard-core radicalized.
The sad reality is, and we just may find this is the case here, there seems to be no shortage of crazy, angry and delusional infidels, these days. I would not be surprised in the least to find this attack was fueled by the disgustingly hateful rhetoric of the collective left. They have been relentless with their hate-mongering of Trump and his supporters.
Chances are greater he succumbed to CNN and their leftist cult feeding his apparent hate, not ISIS.
Who hates country and western culture more, ISIS or the MSM ?
*the only link outside of ISIS saying the man was a recent convert that I’ve seen, is that his “wife’s heritage” is from Indonesia, and they’re about 80% islamic +/-
“Who hates country and western culture more, ISIS or the MSM?” …. well this didn’t take too long ..
http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/02/cbs-legal-exec-no-sympathy-because-country-music-fans-often-are-republican/?utm_campaign=thedcmainpage&utm_source=Facebook&utm_medium=Social
“A top legal executive at CBS, Hayley Geftman-Gold, said she “is not even sympathetic” for the victims of the shooting at a country music festival at Mandalay Bay in Las Vegas Sunday night.
“If they wouldn’t do anything when children were murdered I have no hope that Repugs will ever do the right thing,” wrote Geftman-Gold on Facebook, perhaps referring to Sandy Hook. “I’m actually not even sympathetic bc country music fans often are Republican gun toters.”
Seriously? Boy, that’s a weird one. Usually it is younger guys who get converted. Maybe this is not true, but who knows.
Another mentally ill Liberal Progressive on SSRI’s!
What’s been reported so far by witnesses known to murdering Liberal.
– No military background
– No religious affiliation
– Not a firearms aficionado
– interracial relationship
– gambling addict
– Father was an FBI most wanted fugitive bank robber diagnosed as a psychopath.
*was able to obtain and use (prohibited to the public without special licence) a military grade fully automatic machine gun.
I’d like to remind you gun control chuckleheads that that the two most deadly mas shootings occurred in Norway and France. Nations with NO 2nd Amendment and strict gun control.
Truly, the largest difference I see is that one is primarily a foreign threat to our sovereignty and the other is mostly domestic. As your link shows, they both sure seem to have no shortage of pro-violence haters.
Ha, I am no fan of country music but usually enjoy the people who love it.
Based on the number of people I know who converted to Mormonism … in order to marry their HOT boyfriend/girlfriend … it is quite believable that this weakling of a coward mass murderer converted to his girlfriend’s Islamic faith. Quite believable. True? Who knows? But still quite logical and believable.
And speaking of “statistics” … such as this becoming the WORST mass murder in the history of the USA … I am certain of another statistical FIRST … that this was the LONGEST DISTANCE ever between a mass murderer and his murder victims – 1,700 ft.. Unless of course you want to count Obama and his use of DRONES from 10,000 miles away from his targets.
Captcha: MEAD VEGAS … seriously ?!