26 Replies to “Theresa May’s Britain”

  1. If given the choice between ‘barely coherent blogger who doesn’t cite his claims’ vs ‘expert’, I’ll take the latter.
    “Step forward writer and historian Mike Stuchbery, who gave PJW a quick history lesson on ethnic diversity in Roman Britain.
    “Roman Britain was ethnically diverse, almost by design. To begin, occupying legions were drawn from other parts of the Empire,” Stuchbery responded.”
    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/07/27/alt-right-commentator-gets-schooled-historian-diversity-roman/

  2. North Africa had a white culture consisting largely of Romans and Greeks with a leftover mix of Phoenicians and Berbers. Berbers aren’t what we typically think of as black and there are blond Berbers likely left over from the days when Germans ruled North Africa. The African Legions likely looked identical to Italians. Granted, anything is possible but any black people in Britain in Roman times, without getting myself into too much trouble, were likely novelty items.

  3. As far as I can see from the original link, or Unome’s, both of which are basically twitter compilations, and therefore incoherent, the issue is that BBC attempted to portray a “typical” Roman Legionary as a black African, when it is clear from history that such persons were decidedly atypical as Roman citizens.
    All the same as TV ads that portray queer couples as “typical” home buyers.

  4. It may come as a surprise to many readers here but we have already lost the war to preserve the Western way of life. We as a society have been infiltrated by ‘educated morons’ that are bent on subjugating us and we are trying to fight back under the Marquis of Queensbury Rules. The other side has no rules other than their end justifies their means. This piece of claptrap from the BBC is just one more instance of State Sanctioned Brainwashing. Two Thousand years ago deserts, oceans and mountain ranges formed natural barriers opposing mass migration. These barriers allowed the formation of ethnic cultures, that progressed into nations. Nations that thrived had to feed and protect themselves. Those that could not were subjugated by those that could. Subjugated peoples were taken as slaves. Mediterranean societies were far more advanced than Sub-Saharan Africans, hence the rise of slavery in the Pre-Christian era. Today we have the ‘intellectual, educated morons’ advocating a post-national era where we have overcome the natural barriers in forming distinct societies and are now preaching State Sanctioned Slavery by mass unfettered immigration. The problem we have now is to recognize who are the ‘Slaves’! Is it the people in societies that built our way of life or the ones who are bent on destroying it.

  5. “State Sanctioned Slavery by mass unfettered immigration”
    WTAF are you talking about? Is this like the ‘rape culture’ I keep hearing about, or the microaggressions SJWs freak out over? As a matter of fact I think it’s exactly the same, with some historical illiteracy thrown in.

  6. Commie – I imagine you think that uneducated 3rd world immigrants are intended to be anything other than slaves. They are cheap labour for rich capitalists and will likely never be an equal part of society for generations, if ever. Sound like slaves to me.

  7. I love that you call me a commie right before resorting to Marxist discourse. Cheap labour =/= slavery

  8. Just wait for the “Historians” to argue that us white folk have been practicing the same cultural appropriation for centuries, so it is time for a little payback. For example; we whitey’s painted Jesus Christ as blonde haired, blue eyed in every depiction since a “Turkish” Emperor decreed Christianity as the official Religion of white people. When all the Historians KNOW that Jesus was a brown-skinned Southern Mediterranean Jew with brown eyes, dark hair, and dark complexion. For that reason, little black children should be able to reimagine Santa Claus as black as Fiddy-cent.
    And don’t you just LOVE the “language” of UN-hun’s Telegraph headline comparing an “Alt right” commenter to a “Historian”. You know, I grew up being lectured by leftist school teachers to NEVER call the North Vietnamese “gooks” … because that was de-humanizing invective used to make killing them easier for the military. Yet these same “moral-superiors” use the dehumanizing invective of “Alt right” for Paul Joseph Watson so as to dismiss his every word as tainted and untrue. And I might add that virtually every PhD “Historian” that has graduated since 1970, most-likely wrote their dissertation about the HORRORS committed by Western Civilization. So why no descriptive label for the “Historian”? How about “self-hating” Historian? How about “Revisionist-Historian”? Yeah … I like that one.

  9. And I have another “historical” explanation for the excavation of an apparently wealthy young black (DNA?) woman in England. She was probably really attractive, and particularly skilled in the sexual arts. Just as very attractive, young, sexually proficient black girls didn’t have to toil in the cotton fields of Colonial America … but were given “inside” jobs … so too would the Roman-Brits “keep” their favorite sex slaves indoors, dressed in finery, and buried with the trinkets given to ply their affection. THAT’s a HISTORY older, and more globally-practiced than any cultural-invention of a self-hating leftist “Historian”

  12. It all depends on how you ‘see’ slaves. Second and third or even fourth generation welfare recipients are quite happy, (ergo not ‘slaves’) to take the largesse offered by the workers and producers, while we workers and producers toil and ‘slave’ to pay the taxes that keep the governments in power that keep expanding their recipient base to accept our largesse. Taxes that go to foreign aid for ‘humanitarian’ reasons, taxes that pay for ever expanding unskilled refugee and migrant populations, taxes that pay for ever expanding salaries for our ‘betters’, and taxes that pay for forces to keep us paying taxes. So just who are the ‘slaves’?

  13. Extremely well.
    “It all depends on how you ‘see’ slaves.”
    Here we see the poster attempting either a post-modernist subversion of the concept of ‘words have meaning’ or furious back-pedaling.
    “taxes that pay for ever expanding unskilled refugee and migrant populations”
    Migrants are tax contributors, not takers. Immigration does not increase the welfare state and there is growing evidence that it does the opposite.
    https://panampost.com/editor/2017/05/10/want-to-shrink-the-welfare-state-then-support-immigration/
    Even if it didn’t, the slaver is government, not immigrants on welfare.

  14. Thanks for RUINING the rest of my day! I just HATE having to think about DEATH and TAXES … and now I am reminded that I am enSLAVED until the day I die. Time for a SLAVE revolt. And you correctly identified the revolt-ers and the revolt-ees.

  15. Britain: a stupid little country. What Canada wants to be when it grows up.

  17. The very deliberate confusion of “African” with “black” (or as the Romans would have said, “Nubian” or “Aethiop”) is at the heart of this. African Romans were from Northern Africa and were not “black” as we use that term today; they were Mediterranean/Middle Eastern.
    As a general rule, one had to be a Roman citizen to begin with to join the legions. Non-citizens could join the Auxilia, but then they wouldn’t be dressed like that. That black soldier is depicted as a legionary. Nubia and the surrounding areas were never Roman colonies nor even Foederati, so the Edict of Caracalla doesn’t apply.
    For a black legionnaire to be raising a family in Roman Britain, his parents or grandparents have to have migrated from Nubia to a Roman colony, become full Roman citizens in some manner, probably due to the Edict after 212AD, have a son who joined the legions and was then posted to Britain where he married a woman who was not local, but apparently also Mediterranean, who ended up n Britain somehow.
    Yeah, it’s possible, but it’s a bloody black swan event. It might make an interesting TV show or something, showing this sub-Saharan dude joining the legions and becoming thoroughly Romanized, travelling to the far province of Britannia and fighting for his newfound state…
    All right, %^&* it, I want to see this mini-series now. Seriously, I think we could use a big budget historical drama about this lone Aethiop becoming a Roman citizen, adopting the dress, language and culture of his new nation, and showing his gratitude for these gifts by serving in the legions as a brother in arms, becoming Britanii and making a Roman family and a Roman life for himself. Without blowing anybody up or driving an ox-cart into a busy agora.

  18. Your lack of knowledge and your reliance on the telegraph to enforce your views is abhorrent. I have many degrees in the field of anthropology and archaeology and any historian worth his weight would ask you to point to out the statues bearing African characteristics from the time period, or are you stating that African warriors were inferior and not used as models? A black person in Roman period may become a citizen, but most often they stayed away, were treated as slaves or forced into servitude or entertainment. The roman legions may have contained some of darker pigment, but none of rank or station. Read a boo once in a while, your reliance on the internet is embarrassing you.

  19. UnMe – “Extremely well” heh.
    Please direct us to the historical Roman art and literature depicting the great achievements of African migrants including second or third generation as celebrated in Roman society. From it’s earliest founding Roman busts and statues honoring prominent Romans including Thracians, Greeks and Etruscans show little of Black ethnicity as far as I know. Aside from decorative or fashionable “ethnic slave art”, black African contributions to the multicultural failure of Rome extended to domestic slave labor and military “cannon fodder”.
    Where did all those achieving Roman European African migrants go during the Dark Ages?
    Why did most Europeans not personally know “people of color” until the Crusades and then the Age of Discovery in the 15th century considering they were so successfully integrated into Europe via Roman conquests?
    Yes you can find plenty of Youtube video’s celebrating that Black Africans invented everything from the doorknob to the first moon rocket including the internet, electricity, and the Atomic bomb – Unfortunately that doesn’t make it so anymore than does preaching these cult beliefs of Progressive Liberalism to school children.

  20. Indiana Jane, I guess you don’t comment here very often but the regulars here understand that the occasional Liberal troll that tries to comment here is totally unaware and therefore doesn’t understand embarrassment.
    To Kenji, the problem with a slave revolt at this point in time is that it is already too late by about half a century. We have already passed the tipping point as the takers, (Government employees, politicians, welfare recipients, charity organizations, Natives on reserves, etc., etc., etc.) now are in the majority. We have been conned on a larger scale than what Bernie Madoff pulled off. We only have ourselves to blame, since we did not speak up when we had the chance. We allowed ourselves to be coerced by our so-called ‘betters’ because they had a toothy smile, nice hair, and a really sharp crease in their pants. It is to lament!

  21. I’m relying on the word of the expert that the Telegraph article is relying on.
    There is a Wikipedia article that states that there were numerous black Romans in the African provinces and some in the Romany military, but the sources are behind a wall.

  22. I’m relying on the word of the expert that the Telegraph article is relying on.
    Who is himself playing “straw man” pretty aggressively. No one is contesting that Roman Britain was “ethnically diverse”; there’s a working theory that the legend of Arthur derives from Scythian auxilia light cavalry that we know were posted to Britain.
    We’re contesting that black legionnaires with families in Roman Britain were anything but an astronomically rare event most likely nonexistent, let alone “typical”.
    There’s evidence that the lost legion, or at least its descendents, ended up in China. Depicting a “typical” Chinese family in 100AD as being headed by a white-skinned, blond, blue-eyed Roman would be farcical and attract the same kind of derision.

  23. Why do you keep trying to educate these trolls when they are so immersed and happy in their own version of La-La-land. I admire your valiant efforts but there must come a time for you to realize that they, like a horse to the water, are not interested in drinking. They are quite happy in their make-believe version of Utopia.

  24. Re the “Lost Legion” – there’s Rosemary Sutcliff’s novel “The Eagle of the Ninth” (1954) which suggests it marched north into Caledonia and there was wiped out. (As an aside, Ms Sutcliff’s novels of Roman Britain are really good reads, and I commend them to anyone looking for a decent book for their children; mainly talk about boys and men, but the women in them aren’t wusses). There are apparently some later inscriptions as Nijmengen (Netherlands) which suggest the legion was posted there, but the general consensus is that the legion was wiped out by about 120 AD fighting on some frontier.

  25. Historically not all slavery was equal in all societies. Real Roman slaves were allowed to own property and buy their freedom from slavery.
    This is a fact and people who do not know history should not take part in the discussion.
    Likewise, indentured servitude was de facto slavery, but at the end of the sentence of indentured servitude be it 7 or 10 years they were generally freed.
    Exceptions did exist.
    For example: http://conservative-headlines.com/2012/03/americas-first-slave-owner-was-a-black-man/

  26. Let us not forget what this war of words is about. It’s about a BBC schools video that featured a high-ranking black (sub Saharan) Roman soldier as the father of a family in Britian implying that this is the TYPICAL, REPRESENTATIVE situation. No one needs to be a “certified” historian to know that this is complete BS. If it happened at all (questionable), it certainly was NOT typical or representative.
    Even Mary Beard can only offer this: “there was at least some ethnic diversity in Britain under Roman rule.” Well, dah! The Roman Empire was quite diverse but not in the way that the BBC portrayed it.
    I repeat again, this is really about the BBC schools video and their efforts to show “inclusiveness” and “diversity”….. even if they have to lie to do it. It’s nothing more than propaganda fitting the description of fast and loose with facts but with the best of intentions. And we all know that good intentions are what really count. The BBC, that my friends is where your indignation should aim.

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