Now is the time at SDA when we juxtapose!
Michael Moore, 2004 – “Democrats need to embrace Hollywood because this is where they need to come to learn how to tell a story.”
Michael Moore et al, 2015 – “WAAAAAAHHHHHH! I hate American Sniper! I hate it I hate it I hate it and it’s gross!!!!”
A few days after release it’s already brought in $90 million, and this controversy will only add gasoline to the fire. Given that Eastwood tends to be frugal during production, he’s laughing all the way to the bank.
Hell of a year to be Bradley Cooper, I’d imagine.
Anything that makes Michael Moore cry into his burritos is fine by me.
Hollywood; where the association between Jim Jones, Harvey Milk the Democratic party goes down the memory hole!
My father was almost taken out by a sniper in Korea while he was taking a p**. Bullet whizzed right by his head.
“Bullet whizzed right by his head.”
Chinese made bullet, probably turned right before hitting it’s target. 🙂
You bet he was lucky, better odds today that they would have made that shot. Of course on the NATO side of the issue, soldiers are made to squat to pee today, so again Liberalism adapting to the situation.
Michael Moore “My uncle killed by sniper in WW2. We were taught snipers were cowards. Will shoot u in the back. Snipers aren’t heroes. And invaders r worse.”
Does an Obama drone qualify as a sniper.
“Does an Obama drone qualify as a sniper.”
Heh exactly!
Obamba phone, Obamba drone it’s all good for Michael providing it’s black.
Of course they could have shut Michael right the hell up by putting Wesley Snipes in the movie (no pun intended), but I’m sure it was a financial decision over Michaels racism that won in the end.
I’m still waiting to see Michael Moore’s new “Fahrenheit Benghazi” film – I hear he’s going to show lot’s of Obamba war rhetoric followed by funny clips of Obamba spending all his time on a golf course, or on multiple Hawaiian vacations.
Yes, why can’t Hollywood make more Family Oriented films that don’t potray killers in a positive light
Like this one…. http://www.thestar.com/entertainment/movies/2015/01/15/escobar-paradise-lost-the-tale-of-a-family-man-folk-hero-and-ruthless-drug-lord-review.html
Don’t get me started on that bloated sack of Marxist propaganda MM – suffice to say if this commie blob is disturbed at something it is a good day for America.
As for snipers being an interesting movie subject, I’ve done enough long range targeting to be unimpressed with what can be accomplished by US M82 .50 Barret sniper teams, – a Brit holds the sniping distance record using half the firepower (.338).
In essence a sniper team is a government assassination team who stalk and liquidate high value enemy targets (ambush enemy control and command structures) – how they are deployed is what matters – in the last 2 cluster frigs our polis call wars, sniper deployment has degenerated from specialized tactics used to incapacitate enemy ability to command to battlefield perimeter fire control and common enemy engagement.
Counter sniper tech&tac would make a more interesting movie – “Enemy at the Gates” was a pretty riveting yarn. Snipers dusting goat herders armed with AK pea shooters, from a 1/4 mi. with over powered weapons seems dull by comparison – like dusting gophers with a 300 Win Mag. It’s more interesting when the target is capable of return fire.
As long as they are dusting our enemies in foreign wars, snipers are a legitimate war tool – but when you see sniper teams deployed domestically at political events and for serving summons you know something is dangerously malfunctioning in OUR chain of command/control. Sniper deployment is an aggressive act of execution without trial – it is a power that should never be accessed by politicians domestically – it is not an option in the proper function of the rule of law. The fact that every Podunk cop shop has a sniper team should disturb us – at least those of us without an CBC lobotomy.
The spew coming from this fat bastard is just more proof without the pathetic media running cover for the moronic liberals, recording their every burp and telling us they would have been extinct long ago. The liberal is so stupid they would sit with their media friends in an empty theatre showing Salma and bitch as to why no one came while the rest of us, the ones that power the economy are enjoying a good movie by the millions.
Moore, the $50 million socialist.
Well, maybe not so much after being divorced.
Occam >
“…….it is a power that should never be accessed by politicians domestically”
I couldn’t agree more.
The problem is, we have given the “domestic police” the excuse to militarize due to wide open borders that have magically allowed in large well organized Third World drug cartels, and……wait for it……….Terrorists.
Big terrorists, little terrorists, fat terrorists, hungry terrorists and now Domestic Terrorists.
Terrorists are everywhere now, especially “White Christian Conservative Patriot terrorists with big bad guns”.
Man if I was a low life communist freedom hater with an ounce of power, the first thing I would have done is leave the borders open, disarm the people, and then build up the militarized police state. – Funny that.
Remember that time the Oscar committee wanted nothing to do with Bonnie and Clyde, because they were killers. Or that time they wanted nothing to do with Goodfellas, because they were psychopaths……yeah me neither.
Lard bucket Moore needs to keep his pie hole closed more often the hypocracy is becoming more apparent
The Hollywood left only gets this upset when they think something actually has struck a chord in the culture that is counter to how it “should be”
And why does Seth, let me burn world leaders to a crisp, Rogan give a rat’s a$$. The only question is how baked he was when he watched the movie.
Knight 99 –
– the police function was militarizing and arming up way before “terrorism” was all the rage with our perverted judicial/political leadership. I belive the militarization of police is a natural progression of armed authority when you remove any consequential legal liability and meaningful judicial/legislative/ civilian oversight from the policing function. Police are warrior wannabes that are too lame or chickenshit to put their ass in the grass – and their bosses all want a police state to make life easier by doing end runs around legal/constitutional constraints – remove meaningful liabilities from a policing function and this militarized aggressive dysfunctional politicized policing is what you get.
Harper is held in direct contempt by the fascist segment of the police command structure and his pathetic little attempts to reign them in just encourages more open contempt (witness the senior citizen being charged for shooting 3 armed attackers after the Harper self defense act – or firearms cops disobeying the order to trash registry lists – or the RCMP destroying $1/2 million in illegally stolen ammo from High River residents then openly lying about it).
If Harper does one thing for Canadians to regain some modicum of control over the wave of bad cops and fascist police brass trashing our civil and legal rights, it would be to open them up to civil charges in these cases of wrongful arrest, abuse and damage – things would turn around on a dime if these ‘roided-up punks were liable for breaches of law and the damage they do.
I could be wrong, Occam, but I think I heard recently that a Canadian now holds the record for the longest sniper kill. A mile and a half shot that wasted a taliban guy in Afghanistan.
In the meantime, “American Sniper” is not only the best movie OF the year, it’s the best movie IN years. Be sure to see it. Thank God America keeps finding these dedicated, selfless patriots who are born and bred in ‘flyover country’ to fight our wars … the leftist cultural rot of urban areas ensures that patriotic warriors like Chris Kyle rarely emerge from cities. As a tiny gesture of our respect for the dedication and sacrifices of Chris Kyle and his family, we owe them to see the moving tribute called “American Sniper”.
Occam >
“I belive the militarization of police is a natural progression of armed authority when you remove any consequential legal liability and meaningful judicial/legislative/ civilian oversight….”
Again I agree, that however does not change the excuses and “rational” used for legitimizing a growing militarized police state.
We are sort of talking about apples & oranges between Canada & the US policing of course.
Canadian federal policing is more or less the evolution of British Empire population control. Canadians in fact are domesticated enough that we police ourselves for the most part, never roaming to far off a fenceless pasture.
If we do, we tend to call in the sheepdog on ourselves.
“I heard recently that a Canadian now holds the record for the longest sniper kill. A mile and a half shot that wasted a taliban guy in Afghanistan.”
in 2002 a guy from the Pats dusted an enemy insurgent @ over 2600yds with a Canuk version of the Barret (A McMillan tac .50 – no relation to Kate 😉
in 2009 some Brit from the Queen’s Cav. guard dusted a Tali @ over 2700yds with a Lapua .338
Maybe the next record will be made on domestic soil dusting a Tea Party “insurgent”.
This is news to me.
I didn’t know Moore had any German relatives.
I could be wrong about this but after but after the sniper (2002) with the PPCLI lit up the muzzie didn’t the American’s decorate him and then cretien went to work and had him drummed out of the military?
Moore is proof that some people can live a long time without a brain his vanished when he got into hollywood and if it were not for WW II and many snipers old lard bucket would’nt be able to shoot off his piehole all the time
“… had him drummed out of the military?”
That’s probably an exaggeration but certainly there was a degree of official opposition to letting Canadians receive foreign awards (possibly because Chretien having indulged himself with spite against Conrad Black when Black accepted Honors from Britain, his office was worried about critical comparisons.)
That may well have been a factor in the decision of Cpl. Furlong (the PPCLI sniper) to leave the CF but lots of people did for a variety of reasons which are not unheard of after wars. You would have to ask him to be sure.
Several career soldiers (including one senior officer) that I knew personally in the British Army left the service soon after the first Gulf War (I did not attend that one.) These were people who had done well in that campaign and could therefore expect to be more successful in their careers because of it. But they left because having achieved that much, they realized they would not find the service as interesting or satisfying afterwards. I would be surprised if that thought hadn’t at least crossed Cpl. Furlong’s mind when he was deciding to leave.
Occam, that is a pretty large bull you have. Snippers ARE a ligit domestic tool, but there is need to make sure they are used properly. I would rather have a trained snipper take out some nut-bar, than some of the useless jackasses that pass for cops, many who couldn’t hit a barn if they were into the damn thing and all ports closed. You and the useless99 are starting to sound just like the “ban all guns” lefties.
Sniper Team = Force Multiplier
Knight 99 –
That’s a relatively precise assessment of the American/Canuk split on rule of law as we get it from “official” sources.
However I submit there was always a large faction of Canadians (especially rural and western) who never shared this boot licking submission to empire that the eastern loyalists did. I’m a multi-gen Canadian and all the old boys in my linage wouldn’t give a coon fart for “the empire” it’s monarchs, vice regal political class or its population control methods – there were lots of us ex pat US peckawoods that actually built this nation while the landed aristocracy tried to either steal it or legislate it from us. Remember this nation was settled by Scots and Irish immigrants (Canadian and American) who had both been pogromed and fought wars of independence from the oppressive Brit empire.
I had an ancestor in the war of 1812 refused militia muster unless the local King’s fartcatcher promised to tend his crops and family in his staid – I could go on, but the bottom line is that there is a large endemic loathing of Empire authoritarianism and this “self policing” the social engineers say Canadians engage in is simply a superficial deferment to authority to get them off our back while we quietly go about our business and do what we have to do to get by in spite of oppressive laws and a parasitic political class – as we have for generations.
Our history is riddled with dissent to oppressive authority from Papineau to WL MacKenzie to D’arcy McGe to Riel to Dumont to the Regina Riots, to separatist support ( Western and eastern) to the low compliance rates of the long gun registry (all 3 times they tried it) and the huge grey markets that exist now due to political taxation. We have a toleration point for authority and the only thing that ever kept us from full revolt was the concession of the powers that be to give us fair and just rule of law and political representation.
Would Canadians ever emulate Americans and revolt? – yeah, it’s happened before, and it always happens for the same reason – we self police in return for POGG (peace order and good government) when POGG is not delivered we rebel. Will this rebellion take the form of previous ones – not likely -this one will be more like the general strike that broke the back of the soviet oligarchs. We are getting pretty close to the stress limit with dysfunctional hostile policing, abusive and malicious prosecutions and extortion masquerading as taxation.
Watch Ontario the next few years, they may surprise you.
You and the useless99 are starting to sound just like the “ban all guns” lefties.
He he, off yer meds ‘er what?
Boy, those harmone treatments must really play hell with your reasoning capacity.
They have been working on putting sniper capabilities into drones for a few years now.
http://www.wired.com/2009/04/army-tests-new/
Mike al-Moor is a shock polemicist who has made a lot of money outside of Hollywood. He is an eastern U.S. film maker who specializes in Leftist propaganda exploiting the notion of class warfare while being a 1% rich capitalist himself.
The American colonists won the American revolution in large part because of their snipers, or sharpshooters as they called them back in the day. If snipers are cowards because they are going toe-to-toe with the enemy, what should he call the people who use IEDs?
correction: aren’t going toe-to-toe…
Occam >
I hear ya, and hope your right about Canadian backbone. I too also come from a long multi generational lineage of Canadian Irish and some Scot.
Also fully agree that sniper teams should only be needed for foreign military applications, but understand the reality of policing in today’s society.
What needs to be addressed is WHY the domestic need exists and how did that come to be.
The answer is definitely NOT because Canadian citizens have lots of guns, it’s because society has decayed though liberalism and anarchists not unlike the retarded antichrist that trolls here, and because as you stated “the powers that be” will naturally use whatever resources they can to gain more and more power over the people.
BTW – I hand-load and crony more rifle and pistol calibers than I care to mention here. No personal need for a .338 Lapua or .50 BMG as I am quite satisfied with a .300 win mag running 180gr Noslar Partitions at +/- 3100fps for my reach out and touch something needs. That’s just me.
Moore claims he’s against snipers because he lost an Uncle to one. Seeing as Moore plays fast and loose with the truth,I wonder if anyone has researched the veracity of his claim.
I worked with a former WW2 sniper years ago, good solid guy, deadly shot at 300 yards with a .303 British, iron sights, with a scope…?
I prefer his type to scum bags like Michael Moore. Eastwood has made some of the best movies in the last 20 years, looks like he’s got another winner,while Moore can only whine and snivel.
Given that I don’t go to movies I will buy this on DVD to give support to his widow who is on the hook for a legal settlement to that douchebag Ventura who got his panties in a knot and got a decision in court. I also love that Hollywood seethes when Clint Eastwood succeeds – especially given his excellent mocking of Obama.
Battle of Waterloo….rifle armed contingents fronted ALL parties. Their task was to shoot officers.
Wellington’s Brits called them “skirmishers”, the French called theirs “tiroliers” and the Germans’ were termed “jaguers”.
The War of 1812 Battle of Fort Baltimore unknown colonial sharpshoot takes out british General Robert Ross changing the outcome of the battle and perhaps the war and american history
I refer your attention to the Stelco strike of 1946 for evidence of Canadians dissenting oppressive authority. It was big, it was loud, it involved the whole freakin’ city, and Stelco did indeed blink by the end of it.
Not -all- labor union actions were unwarranted or improper.
Clint Eastwood rules.
To Michael Moore – may your life be filled with bimbos as shallow as you are … you hit one that wasn’t … don’t give up.
Knight 99 – ” I am quite satisfied with a .300 win mag running 180gr Noslar Partitions at +/- 3100fps for my reach out and touch something needs”
I hear ya Knight – spent more hours on the loading bench and bench rest range than I care to mention – played with wildcatting .257s, 6mm, 7mm -I always come back to the ‘ol turbo charged .308 (300 win mag) for best down range groups at +500 meters – bucks wind, travels fast enough and has enough retained energy out there at 800yds to get the job done. I would prefer a hyped up 7mm for its inherent down range accuracy but they don’t make bullet weights where I want them and a long custom bullet is tough to stabilize -so we are playing with bore twists (expensive).
For off the shelf power, distance, accuracy it’s hard to beat the .300 win mag – had one for years and I’ve shot it so much that it’s like shooting a .22 now – no flinch no pinch.
Getting back to the subject of the thread, a free nation like Switzerland (and the way the US was) is kept free by training as many civilians to shoot as well as Kyle – that’s why the NRA was founded – so civilians could be mustered into militia or the army and they were already skilled marksmen – Switzerland has the same type of course of arms programs to this day.
It is interesting to note that the US became less free in direct proportion to the attacks the NRA suffered. Maybe if Pizza the hut Moore’s uncle was trained/skilled on an NRA range he would not have made easy sniper bait and would have been more of a threat to the enemy.
Just watched the movie, great piece of work by Eastwood.
I’d say that anyone who claims it glorifies war hasn’t seen it, or is merely an idiot; barring either of the previous instances, they’re probably just suffering being traumatized by Eastwood appearing as a speaker at a GOP & his criticism of BamBam during his speech.