87 Replies to “I Felt A Great Disturbance In The Narrative”

  1. People seem to be convinced that the theft was unrelated to the shooting. The cop was in the neighborhood responding to a theft call 10 minutes earlier. It was a lot closer than the MSM – “earlier in the day.”
    While it is possible that the cop didn’t suspect the gang-bangers, the gang-bangers certainly knew they were guilty and attacked the cop in a stupid attempt to get away. Mom and dad should get a life sentence for murdering their baby by not providing him with tools to live in society. Number 1 – don’t pick fights with cops, they don’t fight fairly.

  2. I’m the crude sort soo…effoff you racist shItbags and realize that Alyric is right with the culture and the educational values angle. And NOT public education.
    As an aside, I think the blacks are being used in conjunction with the church,..and can be seen with sorts in atlantic canaduh, today.

  4. To all the racists posting on this topic I maintain that Free Moral Agency trumps genetics every time. The kid’s skin colour did not force him to rob a store. He freely chose to rob the store. His skin colour did not force him to wrestle with the cop. He freely chose to wrestle with the cop. The cop’s skin colour did not force the cop to shoot the kid. Lack of options may have helped the cop to decide to shoot the kid but ultimately the cop not the skin colour of the cop, shot the kid.

  5. Well said, OZ
    The last paragraph “Indians” was the narrative that Alyric was projecting with his African American comment. The government may make mistakes, but every person has the freedom to overcome those consequences. Stuck on stupid is not an excuse!

  6. Steyn is right on the money:
    “…In 2014, when a police cruiser doesn’t have a camera, it’s a conscious choice. And it should be regarded as such.
    And, if we have to have federal subsidy programs for municipal police departments, we should scrap the one that gives them the second-hand military hardware from Tikrit and Kandahar and replace it with one that ensures every patrol car has a camera.
    …
    Let’s assume for the sake of argument that everything the police say about this incident is correct. In that case, whether or not the fatal shooting of Mr Brown is a crime, it’s certainly a mistake. When an unarmed shoplifter in T-shirt and shorts with a cigar box in one hand has to be shot dead, you’re doing it wrong….”
    Exactly.

  7. Yes, I agree too. Except for the 24 million Canadians part. When did Steyn move to the U.S. from Canada, 1973?/

  8. Yes the shooting was unrelated to he robbery. It is pretty clear from the second press conference held by the police chief, he tried to imply that these two events were connected in the first conference and has been forced to retract those allegations in the second conference.
    “…the gang-bangers certainly knew they were guilty and attacked the cop in a stupid attempt to get away”
    Ugh, you know it for a fact? They were pulled over for jaywalking, seems to me like the easiest thing to avoid the confrontation was to get off the road. We have no indication that they attacked the cop other than cop’s words, and these mean precisely nothing. At the very least he is an incompetent drooling idiot who let the situation get completely out of hand, in all likelihood he is simply a jack booted thug with a Cartman complex with an itchy trigger finger. His first shot was fired from inside the car following shots from the outside.

  9. Oz – one quibble with your 6:36. Thomas Sowell has documented how the pervasive southern black culture, post slavery, spread to the rest of the country. It was often resisted by the integrated black minority in the northern and western parts of the country because they knew that all of the work that they had done to get along, assimilate, and be regular members of society was about to be undone by the incoming savages.
    So yes, there was a time when there was a stable and contributing black culture in the US. They were the first casualty in the mass exodus from the south.

  10. Alyric >
    “I’m really disappointed to see so many people arguing that someone’s race gives them a genetic disposition to violence.”
    I’m really disappointed that you won’t tell us WHICH government you have referred to that has enslaved and enraged the Black people of the world.
    Again your explanation – “What you’re seeing is the result of decades of the systematic destruction by the government of the black family”. – Posted by: Alyric replied to comment from John Salt on August 15, 2014 3:54 PM
    If you can’t back up your claims….why are you commenting?

  11. Sorry, I forgot the references from Sowell’s writings: Conquests and Culture (the section about the Americas) and Black Rednecks and White Liberals (the first essay, and to a lesser extent the essay on slavery).

  13. A propensity to violence is almost certainly related to intelligence – or lack thereof – and therefore probably only secondarily to race, in so far as different races have different average intelligence levels. Whether it is just a matter of smart people being able to get what they want through thinking, and dumb people resorting to violence out of frustration, or perhaps something at a more biological level? I don’t know.

  14. Knight 99, I’ll take Belgium under King Leopold II for $500….
    Then I’ll add in Jim Crow and the Democrats, followed by the systematic undermining of the 3R’s in US schools, so that unprepared (mostly black) kids can make unprepared teachers look better as they fleece the taxpayer for billions in unearned wages…

  16. Because CNN wouldn’t have a story, a fable, and a race baiting narrative?
    Isn’t there a plane going down somewhere?

  17. Rush was talking about this today.
    To the effect of, “For over 50 years Democrats have been making all sorts of promises to the black community, a shoulder to cry on, and how the Demo’s would change everything……..and 50 years later, HOW MUCH HAVE THINGS CHANGED?”
    As usual, its just the Demo left pandering for votes, and the black community has been stupid enough to lap it up, and continuing to shine a light on being used by the Deoms.

  18. (Edited)
    Rush was talking about this today.
    To the effect of, “For over 50 years Democrats have been making all sorts of promises to the black community, a shoulder to cry on, and how the Demo’s would change everything……..and 50 years later, HOW MUCH HAVE THINGS CHANGED?”
    As usual, its just the Demo left pandering for votes, and the black community has been stupid enough to lap it up, instead of shining a light on the false promises being used by the Demos.

  19. The cop didn’t know he had robbed the store but mr sweet and wonderful gentle giant all round good kid varsity letterman did

  20. bbss & Markon seem to be getting closer to the answer Alyric FAILS to provide.
    Sort of like the Black riots in France in 2005 over the police shooting of a black “youth”, resulting in the burning of nearly every major Liberal gun free zone in France.
    Hard to blame George Bush for that one Alyric, or maybe we should blame Ontario Liberalism for the Black youth gun violence in Toronto, Yes?

  21. I think you have a very good point. I’ve just gotten a number of Thomas Sowell’s books and have yet to read them.
    🙁
    What was it we saw, perhaps a week ago, about minorities elements in a society(minority in this case meaning a minority of a minority grouping) being irrelevant?
    Yes, anyway in the case you mention there was a functioning Black culture, albeit small.(Anthony Johnson first Slave owner in America 1655 was a Black man, Northampton Court)
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(slave_owner)
    Virtually indistinguishable from White culture elsewhere, even to the point that Antony Johnson, 1st Black slave owner, has been forgotten.

  22. I’ve been gone most of the evening, and just returned. Clearly I missed a comment of yours earlier, but I’m too tired tonight to read back through to find out what you’re talking about.
    I am curious, though – how in the name of god did you make the mental leap to me blaming George Bush for something? Are you seriously suggesting that because I don’t support eugenics I’m a liberal?
    You know that, historically, eugenics were a liberal/progressive concept, right?

  23. I think it is rather a red herring that a black was shot. The Ferguson police would probably be almost as happy shooting a
    white, as we’ve seen up here.
    But US policing has a long tradition of thuggery (not to mention corruption) in many jurisdictions. Previous generations of
    Americans were not so crazy as to arm them heavily. They left that to the FBI and the Treasury police. Of course those high
    quality weapons will leak out into the general population, probably fairly quickly.
    Having seen an assembly of neo-SS in (of all places) Happy Valley PA I can only say I am fortunate to live in Canada – if we
    get the RCMP under control.

  25. Curiously enough the incidents in Canada of police shooting mentally disturbed persons seems to be ignored by some US critics.

    For a youth brandishing scissors on a Toronto Street car was hit repeatedly by police bullets. He was tasered after the bullets found their mark. I believe a mentally disturbed woman was also shot in the Toronto area brandishing a knife or such.

    Then there is old Tom Walters, the Canadian Washington correspondent this evening. Tom does a sort of slightly high pitch to the voice, indicating he is incredulous. Of course Tom insinuates wrongdoing by the US authority trying to keep order.

    Would that the know it alls had to face a Travon or a Michael Brown.

  26. Based on everything we’ve been told so far, he wasn’t ventilated for jaywalking. But you knew that already. You just want to paint the cop as a jackbooted thug before all facts have come to light.

  27. I’m with Steyn on this one. Don’t much care for the genetics, DNA predispositions arguments in here either. Bottom line, a kid is dead and from the 2 witness accounts and what the police have released the shooting looks hard to justify. Don’t know about you but shoplifting does not warrant a death sentence, either does beatin on a cop. Assault on a police officer that required deadly force to repel, should be held to the same standard as any citizen who uses deadly force to repel an ongoing assault. But we know this is not the case.

  28. John, I don’t think any reasonable person could disagree with Mark Steyn’s take on the excessive, ridiculous level of militarization of law enforcement in the U.S. It has to be pointed out, though – and I’m really just stating the obvious here – that there are some situations in which taking the (much-preferred) friendly constable approach would be about as effective as sending out a team of friendly grandmas.
    During the Rodney King riots, for example, out-of-control, rampaging mobs killed and brutally assaulted scores of innocent people, torched houses and small businesses – including over 2,000 Korean-owned businesses – etc. over a surprisingly large area, and for a long time. Anyone trapped in the wrong place was in mortal peril, as Reginald Denny could attest, and would probably be waiting anxiously for the arrival of military-style armoured vehicles and teams of heavily-armed law enforcement officers – or even for the military-style military.
    On the face of it, the “Evening, constable!” (great caption) photo in Steyn’s piece — four heavily armed and helmeted cops in camo bearing down on a single unarmed fellow with his hands up — is the face of overkill, but we really don’t know the story; there are Israel/Gaza checkpoint photos, for example, equally contextless, that have the same general effect on a lot of people. Photos can be like Rorschach blotches: you see what you most want to see.
    To me, a good and simple rule of thumb during a full-scale riot is “stay home.” I don’t have a great deal of sympathy for people who run around the streets in business areas during a riot when all the stores and businesses are closed.

  29. Alyric >
    “You know that, historically, eugenics were a liberal/progressive concept, right?”
    Margret Sanger, Planned Parenthood, 55 million black babies chopped up and counting – So what’s your point?
    The George Bush leap is trying to understand your comment that excuses black violence as a purely Government created issue, without differentiating what constitutes a government:
    – “What you’re seeing is the result of decades of the systematic destruction by the government of the black family”. – Alyric
    My point beyond that was “black violence” is a global urban problem in every Liberal nation or city in the western Hemisphere. Conservatives by politics do not espouse the debilitating government policies that plague black communities, i.e. Abortion, single mom parenting, drug cultures, easy access government entitlements, Affirmative Action, etcetera.
    When you say “Government” you mean Liberalism, and the Liberal controls on government in a democracy.

  30. “everything we’ve been told so far”
    Told by who? The cop that shot a man who was armed with a high capacity cigar box?
    “You just want to paint the cop as a jackbooted thug before all facts have come to light.”
    It is the cops who withheld the facts. It is the cops who prefer to buy military gear than to install cameras in their cruisers, it is the cops who behave like a jack booted occupation force. No paint necessary photos are aplenty and perfectly sufficient.

  31. EBD, riot police have been dealing with riots for decades, in the past they did not need armored cars, camouflage and snipers. There is a difference between SWAT and riot police. Tear gas, pepper spray, water cannons, shields, sticks, helmets, fine that is what they are for. The demonstration of power in Ferguson is beyond that by an order of magnitude.
    “but we really don’t know the story; there are Israel/Gaza checkpoint photos, for example, equally contextless, that have the same general effect on a lot of people.”
    But that is really the point, isn’t it? Is is Missouri not Gaza, the level of threat is not comparable yet the photos look remarkably similar.

  32. I take your point, Colonialista, in the sense that the Ferguson riot wasn’t the Rodney King riot(s), or the Watts riot(s). On the other hand, if my nieces (for example) were holed up terrified in a small business in a rioting area, I don’t know exactly what level of demonstration of control I would expect, just that I would expect it.
    I think people have different expectations of how much control should be demonstrated, depending on whether they or someone they know is in the middle of it, or if they’re watching it from afar via news reports.
    I do stand by my point about people who run around the streets in business areas during a riot when the stores and businesses in the area are closed.

  33. So they rioted again last night. Are they going to interview that holier than thou black highway patrolman who believed that all you had to do was kiss a rioters derriere and they would fall in line. Boy was he wrong. The idiots don’t want justice. They want free stuff without the dirty word – work.

  34. Ferguson is now a dead town. Soon the smart people will sell their homes to move before a big loss. Both Blacks & Whites will move . Business will go. So will the jobs. The tax base won’t be able to support a lamp post.It will become just another ghetto. Because they listened to the media along with the race hustlers. Forgot that Innocent before proven guilty is as fundamental as free speech. Mob justice is no justice at all.
    Even John Adams defended the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre, because he believed so strongly in this principle. One Redford in Alberta tore apart. The show of the para military police is now a World wide phenomenon. An omen of government at war with its citizans.
    You might find this interesting
    Cigars, But Not Close
    “The police” is a phenomenon of the modern world. It would be wholly alien, for example, to America’s Founders. In the sense we use the term today, it dates back no further than Sir Robert Peel’s founding of the Metropolitan Police in 1829. Because Londoners associated the concept with French-style political policing and state control, they were very resistant to the idea of a domestic soldiery keeping them in line. So Peel dressed his policemen in blue instead of infantry red, and instead of guns they had wooden truncheons.
    So, when the police are dressed like combat troops, it’s not a fashion faux pas, it’s a fundamental misunderstanding of who they are. Forget the armored vehicles with the gun turrets, forget the faceless, helmeted, anonymous Robocops, and just listen to how these “policemen” talk. Look at the video as they’re arresting the New York Times and Huffington Post reporters. Watch the St Louis County deputy ordering everyone to leave, and then adding: “This is not up for discussion.”
    Really? You’re a constable. You may be carrying on like the military commander of an occupying army faced with a rabble of revolting natives, but in the end you’re a constable. And the fact that you and your colleagues in that McDonald’s are comfortable speaking to your fellow citizens like this is part of the problem. The most important of the “nine principles of good policing” (formulated by the first two commissioners of the Metropolitan Police in 1829 and thereafter issued to every officer joining the force) is a very simple one: The police are the public and the public are the police.
    http://www.steynonline.com/652…

  35. “Mob justice is no justice at all.
    Even John Adams defended the British soldiers in the Boston Massacre, because he believed so strongly in this principle.”
    baloney. The only reason we have a semi(though dwindling) modern western lifestyle is because of mob justice. It’s the lack of that that has kept canaduh from growing up. Even though we tried many times.

  36. To quote Obamba >
    “We need a million man army, just as powerful, just as well equipped as the military”.
    Guess what?

  37. Or that the only people who met the educational requirements, passed the entrance exams, passed the police training and met the physical fitness requirements were white.

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