Sun News: Manitoba PC MLA Kelvin Goertzen debates the merit of his cyber bullying legislation with Ezra Levant.
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I guess that’s why they’re named “Progressive” Conservatives; they’re oxy-morons.
Here we are again with the herd behavior. There can’t be much self-respect to begin with if some illiterate kid’s opinion makes a difference.
Cyber-bullying is such a nonsense concept, anyway. Unread words can’t hurt anyone. It’s only herd behavior that makes the kid go where they can be read.
Teaching independence would go a lot further.
Onward head patters, your style of teaching, parenting is just starting to be seen, and it’s end product is something to behold…. from a distance.
When the Government passes laws for emotional feelings. Thought crimes in any parlance. This is where you should have a nuke moment, than run for a shelter. The key words here are self esteem. Plus emotional well-being. This is so amorphous as to be used by Junkies to sue people for doing drugs. After all it might hurt there self esteem. In fact emotional well being could be used by Paedophiles as well. Its just to wide open a gate for political abuse, with power grabbing to shape even more social engineering ,as well political manipulation. Its a lawyers dream..
Section 13 with even more power
Why is this POS legislation even being introduced? Ezra was right on in his comments. Fighting “bullying” seems to be the new face of totalitarianism and I’ve commented to people that efforts to get people to participate in “anti-bullying” campaigns themselves constitute “bullying”.
IMHO, a person who is so fragile that they are devastated by a comment that someone writes about them are suffering from psychopathology and are not “victims”. The world is full of idiots and the way one deals with them is to ignore them. I don’t worry about what someone writes about me and, given that I have treated a significant number of patients with psychiatric disorders over the years, I could care less what they write about me on the “rate your doctor” sites. Even though these comments are “anonymous” I can easily identify the disgruntled patient who wasn’t able to convince me to put in their “disability” application or do unreasonable things they asked for. I’ve be far more worried if I didn’t get some people really pissed off at me as that would mean that I wasn’t doing my job.
The fact that the Conservative party has even let this POS legislation see the light of day indicates there’s severe dysfunction in that party. It should be focused on the repeal of C68 and reigning in the Canadian gestapo, the HRGT. The ludicrous suggestion of this moonbat MP that “judicial review” will prevent abuses ignores the legal reality that views freedom of speech as a pathologic American value.
When I was in high school, we were expected to deal with bullies ourselves. Back then no one cared about someone making negative comments as it was expected that part of growing up was to learn how to ignore such things. Most bullying back then was physical and, being a nerd who carried a slide rule around everywhere, I became the center of attention of a group of individuals who found that offensive. A few appropriately placed punches and kicks to the anatomy of these individuals quickly made them search for prey that wouldn’t fight back and I was left alone. The notion that one should remain an eternal “victim” is one of the most destructive psychopathologies of this era.
When governments stop bullying their own citizens they might have something credible to say about cyber bullying. Until then, STFU!
Oops, this guy is an MLA not an MP. Still an idiotic piece of legislation.
Ezra should have been probing a bit deeper a la “goes to motive your honour”.
Such as:
“Have you any real concept about what is the usual outcome when
freedom of speech gets trampled on and fettered in this way?”
“Are you sincere, unaware, or do you have a long history
of opportunistic vote whoring when occasions arise?”
More “Social Justice” BS.
So what are they going to do when it’s a “disenfranchised youth” or a “Liberal” picking on a Christian or Jew?
Are politicians fair game? I realize not “minority” politicians that’s a give in already, but what about the Hair?
It’s depressing to see that the allegedly Conservative Party of Manitoba has MLA’s that are just as idiotically progressive as the NDP.
As RD says, it’s Section 13 on steroids.
johndoe124 >
“When governments stop bullying their own citizens they might have something credible to say…..”
Too right!
Of course they do fully intend to bully us into not being bullies.
I got bullied when I was in school and it did me good because I learned to stand up for myself.
When I got bullied I abhorred going to a teacher or administrator because I was just as likely to get punished anyway and it certainly didn’t earn the respect from my peers to make it go away.
Did it suck, yep. Did it prepare me for the real world? Yes
Now I carry myself in a manner that I don’t allow myself to get pushed around by anyone.
Travis >
“Did it prepare me for the real world? Yes”
What is really rich is that it’s the Liberal left that does all the bullying once they grow up.
Of course the common denominator is chinken-sh*t bullying whether they do it in gangs like Occupiers, Unions and Eco Fascists or by using government bureaucracy’s and any other institutional methods against those they don’t like.
If the honest goal of this was to end slander or libel in the schools, why not update slander and libel laws? Take a screen cap of the offending Facebook page and use it as proof that Student X’s rancid lies would have one day been read by a prospective employer or university and thus prevented Student Y from having a fulfilling future.
But then the professionally indignant would have no cause celebre with which to make themselves feel important.
The real story here, as others have noted, is the fact that yet another political party that dares call itself “Conservative” feels that a non-issue should be solved by nanny-state legislation, while it buries its head in the sand when it comes to the really important stuff – such as property rights.
Pathetic, useless, cowards.
Progressive conservative with special emphasis on progressive.
Travis, ditto here until one day I had enough, stood up to the ring leader and punched him out and then it was over. It does teach you to stand up for yourself and not run to useless authority figures.
Funny thing though, the main culprit later was killed in Vietnam.
Social media and the information age has done away with personal growth.. Its all a squeaky wheel act down the tell them what they want to hear road.. Which leaves one empty, used and for the most part wanting to hurt one self.. Promises unfulfilled and the responsibility for ones own happiness.. emote, emote, emote, am I special yet?
Its a circle of shit, with the only way out being medication (Formaldehyde for the living)..
Dont make promises you cant keep!
Can’t nobody call no one no names not never no how!!! – or we’ll bully you – big bro has spoken.
Duct tape this fascist twinky and ship him off to Cuba where he’ll feel more at home, he sure seems uncomfortable around free people.
Legislating bullying away?
Government will be abolished?
This POS MLA is pandering votes from the left. That is what his bill is all about.
It’s not pandering from the left, it’s a counter to a ridiculous bill submitted by the Manitoba government that purports to treat bullying but ONLY makes it illegal for schools to ban Gay-Straight Alliance clubs. Bill 18.
Stop going half-cocked, SDA. It’s unbecoming.
peterj….WTF…he’s worried about his 6 year old son stumbling across something?? Twit CINO never hear of parental controls???
Hey 18+ year old voting Kids, who wants to vote along with me to CENSOR the Internet forever?
~Kelvin Goertzen
Censorship is telling a man he can’t have a steak just because a baby can’t chew it.
~Samuel Clemens
Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.
~Heinrich Heine, in Almansor : A Tragedy (1823)
I guess that’s why they’re named “Progressive” Conservatives; they’re oxy-morons.
Here we are again with the herd behavior. There can’t be much self-respect to begin with if some illiterate kid’s opinion makes a difference.
Cyber-bullying is such a nonsense concept, anyway. Unread words can’t hurt anyone. It’s only herd behavior that makes the kid go where they can be read.
Teaching independence would go a lot further.
Onward head patters, your style of teaching, parenting is just starting to be seen, and it’s end product is something to behold…. from a distance.
When the Government passes laws for emotional feelings. Thought crimes in any parlance. This is where you should have a nuke moment, than run for a shelter. The key words here are self esteem. Plus emotional well-being. This is so amorphous as to be used by Junkies to sue people for doing drugs. After all it might hurt there self esteem. In fact emotional well being could be used by Paedophiles as well. Its just to wide open a gate for political abuse, with power grabbing to shape even more social engineering ,as well political manipulation. Its a lawyers dream..
Section 13 with even more power
Why is this POS legislation even being introduced? Ezra was right on in his comments. Fighting “bullying” seems to be the new face of totalitarianism and I’ve commented to people that efforts to get people to participate in “anti-bullying” campaigns themselves constitute “bullying”.
IMHO, a person who is so fragile that they are devastated by a comment that someone writes about them are suffering from psychopathology and are not “victims”. The world is full of idiots and the way one deals with them is to ignore them. I don’t worry about what someone writes about me and, given that I have treated a significant number of patients with psychiatric disorders over the years, I could care less what they write about me on the “rate your doctor” sites. Even though these comments are “anonymous” I can easily identify the disgruntled patient who wasn’t able to convince me to put in their “disability” application or do unreasonable things they asked for. I’ve be far more worried if I didn’t get some people really pissed off at me as that would mean that I wasn’t doing my job.
The fact that the Conservative party has even let this POS legislation see the light of day indicates there’s severe dysfunction in that party. It should be focused on the repeal of C68 and reigning in the Canadian gestapo, the HRGT. The ludicrous suggestion of this moonbat MP that “judicial review” will prevent abuses ignores the legal reality that views freedom of speech as a pathologic American value.
When I was in high school, we were expected to deal with bullies ourselves. Back then no one cared about someone making negative comments as it was expected that part of growing up was to learn how to ignore such things. Most bullying back then was physical and, being a nerd who carried a slide rule around everywhere, I became the center of attention of a group of individuals who found that offensive. A few appropriately placed punches and kicks to the anatomy of these individuals quickly made them search for prey that wouldn’t fight back and I was left alone. The notion that one should remain an eternal “victim” is one of the most destructive psychopathologies of this era.
When governments stop bullying their own citizens they might have something credible to say about cyber bullying. Until then, STFU!
Oops, this guy is an MLA not an MP. Still an idiotic piece of legislation.
Ezra should have been probing a bit deeper a la “goes to motive your honour”.
Such as:
“Have you any real concept about what is the usual outcome when
freedom of speech gets trampled on and fettered in this way?”
“Are you sincere, unaware, or do you have a long history
of opportunistic vote whoring when occasions arise?”
More “Social Justice” BS.
So what are they going to do when it’s a “disenfranchised youth” or a “Liberal” picking on a Christian or Jew?
Are politicians fair game? I realize not “minority” politicians that’s a give in already, but what about the Hair?
It’s depressing to see that the allegedly Conservative Party of Manitoba has MLA’s that are just as idiotically progressive as the NDP.
As RD says, it’s Section 13 on steroids.
johndoe124 >
“When governments stop bullying their own citizens they might have something credible to say…..”
Too right!
Of course they do fully intend to bully us into not being bullies.
I got bullied when I was in school and it did me good because I learned to stand up for myself.
When I got bullied I abhorred going to a teacher or administrator because I was just as likely to get punished anyway and it certainly didn’t earn the respect from my peers to make it go away.
Did it suck, yep. Did it prepare me for the real world? Yes
Now I carry myself in a manner that I don’t allow myself to get pushed around by anyone.
Travis >
“Did it prepare me for the real world? Yes”
What is really rich is that it’s the Liberal left that does all the bullying once they grow up.
Of course the common denominator is chinken-sh*t bullying whether they do it in gangs like Occupiers, Unions and Eco Fascists or by using government bureaucracy’s and any other institutional methods against those they don’t like.
Kelvin is the kind of weenie that “bullies” seem to be drawn to. Another piece of useless legislation that deserves the feedback he’s getting.
http://www.winnipegsun.com/2013/03/13/bullies-push-kelvin-goertzen-off-twitter
If the honest goal of this was to end slander or libel in the schools, why not update slander and libel laws? Take a screen cap of the offending Facebook page and use it as proof that Student X’s rancid lies would have one day been read by a prospective employer or university and thus prevented Student Y from having a fulfilling future.
But then the professionally indignant would have no cause celebre with which to make themselves feel important.
The real story here, as others have noted, is the fact that yet another political party that dares call itself “Conservative” feels that a non-issue should be solved by nanny-state legislation, while it buries its head in the sand when it comes to the really important stuff – such as property rights.
Pathetic, useless, cowards.
Progressive conservative with special emphasis on progressive.
Travis, ditto here until one day I had enough, stood up to the ring leader and punched him out and then it was over. It does teach you to stand up for yourself and not run to useless authority figures.
Funny thing though, the main culprit later was killed in Vietnam.
Social media and the information age has done away with personal growth.. Its all a squeaky wheel act down the tell them what they want to hear road.. Which leaves one empty, used and for the most part wanting to hurt one self.. Promises unfulfilled and the responsibility for ones own happiness.. emote, emote, emote, am I special yet?
Its a circle of shit, with the only way out being medication (Formaldehyde for the living)..
Dont make promises you cant keep!
Can’t nobody call no one no names not never no how!!! – or we’ll bully you – big bro has spoken.
Duct tape this fascist twinky and ship him off to Cuba where he’ll feel more at home, he sure seems uncomfortable around free people.
Legislating bullying away?
Government will be abolished?
This POS MLA is pandering votes from the left. That is what his bill is all about.
It’s not pandering from the left, it’s a counter to a ridiculous bill submitted by the Manitoba government that purports to treat bullying but ONLY makes it illegal for schools to ban Gay-Straight Alliance clubs. Bill 18.
Stop going half-cocked, SDA. It’s unbecoming.
peterj….WTF…he’s worried about his 6 year old son stumbling across something?? Twit CINO never hear of parental controls???
Hey 18+ year old voting Kids, who wants to vote along with me to CENSOR the Internet forever?
~Kelvin Goertzen
Censorship is telling a man he can’t have a steak just because a baby can’t chew it.
~Samuel Clemens
Where they have burned books, they will end in burning human beings.
~Heinrich Heine, in Almansor : A Tragedy (1823)
Time to refresh, common sense from Mr. Bean:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gciegyiLYtY