CTV: Heated exchange ends in Trudeau walking off stage
And oddly enough, it wasn’t about this.
Altogether, Justin Trudeau raked in $966,500 from private clients after he pressed start on his political career.
Some of his speaking clients, like the Ontario Public Service Employees Union, paid him $20,000 for one speech in 2010. It’s illegal for unions (and corporations) to give a dime to Trudeau’s political campaign. They just gave it to him personally, and called it a “speaking fee.”
Give Justin a break…he was in a hurry to get to a paid speaking engagement he has lined up…
Probably had to skip out, like he does from his job as an MP, to moonlight as a guest speaker when he is supposed to be working and charge public schools and charities $Big $Bucks + expenses for a 30 minute pep talk.
I duuno. He thought it was over. Judging by the adulation poured forth, he knew he had it in the bag. He could probably drop dead and they’d still prop him up as leader. Enough voters thrive on fantasy to think the Liberals will be the next official opposition no matter how shallow the leader is.
I have good news and I have bad news. The good news is that Shiny Pony walked offstage. The bad news is that he came back onstage. I personally suspect someone off camera was waving his speaking fee and he forgot that he was in public.
For her comments alone, I’d say Martha Hall Findlay for Liberal Leader.
She can see that this coronation of know-very-little Justin Trudeau, who’s in the running only because his father was Pierre Elliot Trudeau, is obscene. He has no grasp of important issues to Canadians and is an MP only by virtue of his parentage, which is no recommendation.
I admire Ms. Hall Findlay for calling him out. Of course, Deborah Coyne didn’t. Her daughter is PET’s child and Justin’s half-sister. ‘Talk about nepotism and an ever-shrinking, incestuous, political gene pool in Leftard Canada.
The last thing the Liberals need is Justin Trudeau, who’s barely articulate, and a bad sport to boot, as their leader. The last thing Canada needs is Justin Trudeau as PM.
Poor little guy; his feelings were hurt by nasty Martha Hall Findlay, so he feels justified in stomping off the stage. Wait till the CPC gets a hold of him.
Grow up Justin and, while you’re at it, grow a pair.
I’m all good with a petulant pony winning the LPC leadership…
He really must have been a heck of a drama teacher.
Substitute drama teacher and I was disappointed he didn’t start speaking in the third person when he returned to the stage…*sigh*
Thanks,Ezra, for confirming what I figured on an earlier post.
I agree, batb, Hall-Findlay is the best Liberal candidate,she’s actually run a business,unlike most of the rest who are lifetime trough feeders.
He had been given the last word all through the debate.
Give him a break,he spoke,he thought it was over. They tricked him,probably with help from that evil Harper guy..
When did Canadian society become all about class? When the Liberals decided it would become so, that’s when …they have been pushing that position hard since 1968.
Wally is right. The lad simply walked off stage when he thought his turn was over, as they had all been doing all through the “debate”. But I am heartened that at least one of the candidates is taking him to task. He will be running a campaign almost word for word the same as the democrats down yonder and having a Liberal say so on the record is good for the fight to come.
“They tricked him,probably with help from that evil Harper guy..”
He IS easily distracted and confused by shiny objects.
Check this link out…
http://news.nationalpost.com/2013/02/16/everything-in-service-of-my-community-trudeau-gives-impassioned-class-based-retort-at-liberal-debate/
Given the response of the clapping and “whooting” crowd to Trudeau and the quiet one to Hall-Findlay, the Liberals feel they need class warfare to survive.
Bastards! Nothing but bastards. Sorry Deborah.
Martha’s campaign is being run by Stephen Carter I heard, so this class strife stuff is just tactics and Trudeau slapped her down hard.
Just because you talk about building up the middle class, doesn’t mean you favour class warfare. It’s stupid leftist semantics that have passed their expiration date.
As for walking off stage, he immediately came back. What’s the big deal?
Mistake? Joke? Who knows?
As for the speaking fees? If someone is dumb enought to pay him to talk, then he should take the cash.
These “scandals” are pretty weak. It reminds me of the “scandal a week” desperation against Harper during the 2011 election.
Let me fix that for you Jeff. Trudeau smacked her down in front of a very Trudeau partisan crowd. Stomping off was bad for especially considering the mother of his step-sister was yet to speak and Ditching work to make side cash is theft…in this case from Canadian taxpayers.
Ladies he’s after your purse, or ‘murse'(man-purse)for you liberal men.
The last thing the Liberals need is Justin Trudeau, who’s barely articulate, and a bad sport to boot, as their leader…Posted by: batb
For those who can see the big picture, JT is the perfect choice for LibLeader, for all those reasons and more. JT will fracture the left to insignificance, giving Harper another majority govt.
Campaign for LizzieMay’s party. They haven’t got any hope of forming an opposition much less a govt, but every Green vote would have gone Lib or NDP.
Someone should tell Justin Sparklestar that he can’t just rush off whenever things don’t go his way or if he needs more “speaking fees”.
Anyone who thinks this is PM material needs more than their heads examined.
The Conservative political machine has not been attacking shiny pony because they WANT this self absorbed idiot to win. Once he does (and that video seems to confirm that) then he will be attacked. This will be easier than just visiting Iggy.
I am NO FAN of Justin Trudeau. However, are we going to buy into the Obama-like narrative that all rich people are bad and all poor people are good?
I was born into a lower-middle class family and still haven’t “struck it rich” yet. But when I do, should I expect that people will view me differently, view me less worthy of a human being?
The people in our society who I detest the most are indeed the Limousine Liberals. Not because they have money, but rather because they’re complete hypocrites.
At the end of the day though, I don’t believe that anyone needs to apologize for their wealth, whether they were born into it or earned it themselves. Martha Hall Findlay’s rhetoric sounded strikingly familiar to the BS coming out of Occupy. While there is a certain guilty pleasure in watching the Shiny Pony squirm, agreeing with her narrative is not a road I wish to walk down.
I don’t like him because he’s a big bit of fluff with a famous name. I’m sure he expects to coast off of that. It actually bothers me more that someone would pay money to hear him (ie- teachers). He may very well be Canada’s Obama and we know what road to hell that is. If people earned their money wisely, fine by me. As for “limousine liberals”, let them take all the scorn they deserve.
The Petulant Pony started it by mouthing class war platitudes. That MHF confronted him indicates how deeply divided the LPC is…time for that corpulent body politic to die and be reborn as something else. Same thing happened on the right. I strongly support the Petulant Pony…think of him as the fourth horseman of the libpocalypse…
Canada’s Obama? Please. Obama is the USA’s Trudeau (sr.) The damage inflicted by the father took 40 years to fix, Obama’s damage may well be unfixable, I hope Canada isn’that dumb again.
Inherited, entitled lawyers have proven themselves to be dangerous, God forbid what you get from an inherited, entitled….nothing.
I’m not convinced that merely declaring his intention to run for a party leadership at the next available opportunity should disqualify a candidate from earning income from speaking engagements or other activities.
The only times that matter in this regard are when there is an actual leadership race on. The Liberals’ case is somewhat amorphous what with Rae having been ‘interim’ leader for a couple of years and with there being an unusually long time frame leading up to the convention proper. I don’t think more than a few months should be considered part of an active leadership campaign, so, much as I dislike Kim Justin-il (and without having looked up the actual dates involved), I would more inclined to let him off the hook than not. Critics should stick to the more important pursuits of analyzing his “policies” or exposing the leftist nutbars around him.
I also don’t think a labour union should be shelling out such speaking fees when union dues are collected at gunpoint and when the individual worker cannot quit without still having to pay dues. If the law were changed so that unions became completely voluntary organizations – which it should be – then that’s a different situation.
In the comments section, some are calling him Canada’s Obama, and saying it in glowing terms. Like that’s a good thing. Low information voters, of course.
Why does the young man always look, and sound like his meds have just kicked in? Traits inherited from Mom?
Or am I biased somehow?
Sanctimony versus sanctimony: I’d say that Martha and Justin are both infected with the Liberal disease (surprisingly, I thought Deborah made the most realistic comments of the three, but she has no stage presence whatsoever). Martha’s attempt to engage Justin with a heavy dose of Bob Rae/Michael Ignatieff over-reach helped Justin in relative terms, but his answer was still no better than a Joe Clark condescension (almost word-for-word, actually, if I recall correctly the latter’s standard comments about why he was seeking the PC leadership back in 1998).
In the absence of any, you know, compelling national narrative or substantive policy position on anything, there are still a bunch of things, IMO, that we need to know more about:
1. His comments about Alberta versus Quebec leadership of the country (which nold referenced the other night).
2. His comments about how Stephen Harper’s stewardship is so repugnant to “Canadian values” that Mr. Harper’s remaining as prime minister would turn him (Justin) into a Quebec separatist.
3. His comments in the House of Commons about Mr. Harper being “a piece of shit”.
4. His contradictory position on the long-gun registry (please help me, Justin, with what you think, exactly, ARE the essential elements of this issue, if you would).
5. Why, as a federal politician, he felt it to be okay to take $205,000 from provincially-funded school boards (as Ezra has updated us upon; dmorris and Ezra are on the right track about the, er, `hand-off` arrangements, but we need to tighten this one down a bit in legal terms — maybe, perhaps, with an extra-new standard of transparency we can determine whether or not there is a, um, `controlling legal authority`).
6. Since Dwight `40% Debt-to-GDP ratio, including $15,780 from at least one Ontario school-board` Duncan thinks Justin is so wonderful, and since Mr. Duncan thinks that all Tory MPs in Ontario will have to account for the hospital closures that will allegedly result from Mr. Flaherty`s health care funding plan, I`d be curious to know, precisely, if Justin plans to re-impose the Canada Health Act on the provinces (particularly since, under Mr. Wall`s leadership, the national health care system has already found $100 million in annual savings on just six regularly-prescribed pharmaceuticals). In this regard, I`d also be interested to know what Justin thinks are the financial implications (federal spending, tax, deficit and debt impacts) of any such re-imposition.
7. I`m also curious as to whether Justin supports Mr. Harper`s recent reference to the SCOC on issues around Senate reform or abolition, and whether Justin is prepared to support reform or abolition efforts suggested by the results of that reference.
8. I might also inquire about Justin`s views on the oil sands, the pipelines, a carbon tax, cap-and-trade, zzzzzzzzz… but this list is getting too long already.
The only thing we can infer from that video is that Justin will become leader, judging from the crowd response, including the guy in the front row (who even looked a bit like Chris Matthews), who evidently had to slap his leg to stop the, um, tingling, or whatever…
I`d be with sync, N60 and lorne, Osumashi and many others above — I`m hoping he wins.
Let me explain the Libopaclypse and the four horsemen. The first was Conquest, the crushing defeat that was Paul Martin Jr.
The second was War, the Red/Green Horse…Stephane Dionne.
The third was Famine…the Black Russian horse…Michael Ignatief.
And the fourth, the pale rider… Death. Justin P.
The Libpocalypse is upon us…
I think he thought the debate was over.
However the real question is why does a guy who has accomplished nothing in life think he can lead the country? Garneau, the elitist that he is, raises that point. MHF raises it again, why does a guy who never was middle class, and never really worked for a living keep talking about the middle class?
Though the Americans elected a goof with no track record to lead the most powerful country in the world during a time of immense crisis so I suppose anything is possible these days.
Like it or not, if JT takes the liberal leadership then the east, quebec and ontario will likely vote him into office. His name, he’s not from the west, and the MSM narrative will be enough to bring the ignorant masses to vote for him.
It has nothing to do with his ability. So while conservatives take comfort that the man is too dumb to organise a trip to mcdonalds, the left is doing what they do best: ‘whatever it takes.’
This trudeau disease must ba vaccinated against very agressively and immediately, Harper and company must take every opportunity now to capture one-liners and sound bites against him. Doing so will not elevate trudeau to higher public attention than the media would otherwise have done and at least the truth about him will be planted in the public consciousness a little more firmly. Will it be enough, I don’t know. After watching the US just commit suicide with a second obama term it ios clear that emotional voting will also win the next canadian election.
Although it’s great political theatre to laugh at him running away (I did) but it kind of looked like that was almost the right time to leave. Other than bad form to leave without letting the moderator “thank” the speakers, it looks like that was the exact end of the debate, until the moderator quickly said “10-seconds to the other candidate”. Still not a great move in the heat of the moment and with the emotional pressure, but not a horrible misstep either. It could have been worse — he could have taken a drink of water!
Remember, the Americans voted Obama to President TWICE. Trudeau is a similar candidate….all show and no substance. I fear how the left wing media will sell Justin to the average Canadian voter.
The argument or “fear” I hear most often about Justin P. as leader of the LPC is how the “kids” will vote. He will swoon the youngsters and the usual lefties.
Guess what…should have been tougher on your kids. If,in this day and age, they can’t spot an idiot…you failed and collectively we deserve a doofus.
Forest: “I think he thought the debate was over.”
Even if he thought that the debate was over, he should have waited for his female colleagues to leave the stage first, just in case he needed to be chivalrous and defend them from something/someone, other than yourself.
Trudeau’s hasty retreat didn’t look good, whatever the reason. The optics were that he was pi**ed off and felt contempt for what MHF said. He’s such a lightweight, it truly astonishes me to see him seriously running for any leadership, let alone the leadership of a national political party.
Pierre’s pup: just what Canadians need.
I wish I could share the optimism of those who think that he’ll be the proverbial cement boots for the Liberals, but I can’t.
Harper will never ‘best’ him in any political debate, because the media will report it as an ambush and describe it as proof of the meanness that permeates tory hearts.
Canadians are suckers for vacuous rhetoric and meaningless drivel. Think of it – the largest province elected McDinky THREE times! The second largest has a yet another fool at the helm, and our (supposedly) most right-wing province recently had an opportunity to elect a true conservative, but voted instead for a pinky with a long list of friends to repay. And we all know how Atlantic Canada, BC and Manitoba lean.
Nope, it’s a numbers game – and you don’t have to be a brilliant politician to figure it out. The percentage of the population that relies on government largesse has more political clout than the segment that produces it.
Putting all his simpering and flashing eyelashes aside, rest assured that Pierre’s Pup has it figured out.
If I might interject with a couple of observations:
-There have been some well known conservative voices ie:Brian Mulroney that have warned us not to take the drama teacher for granted. I would also note that there have been many lib pundits, the wannabe punk rock lawyer for one, that seems to believe the lucky y chromosone candidate is going to cake walk to victory. My observation is that justin has a whole raft of pundits and media (particularly that media that is publicaly funded) running defence for him and he will no likely “cake walk” to the leadership. As for taking him for granted, well, if his father was not PET, his life story may have been one of someone that went to BC to “find himself” after earning his degree in fine arts and accumulating a HUGE student debt, and dying in some back alley in East Vancouver of a drug overdose on cheap crack. Be that as it may, we are not blinded by the adulation that the cult like liberals yearning for the 60’s have over Justin, and we see him for the empty pair of boots he is. That does not excuse being unprepared for the next election. So it behoves us as those that do not want this country to make the mistake it made back in the 60’s to let our gaurd down.
– Second observation: I expect that any and all “youtube” moments where Justin demonstrates his limitations well be archived at the CPC war room, just as the NDP will. Nobody in those war rooms is going to start a campaign until after he becomes the leader. We however have no such limitations and should at every opportunity post, letter write, and blog, when ever it happens. The media will not be vetting Justin.
Third: The LPC is a party divided where one third is what you would call blu-lib. They are folks that labour under the misconception that their party is centrist. To them, Justin does not give them any consolation other than a road to power. Yet the thing that makes them nervous is that they don’t have a grasp policy wise on where Justin wants to go. They can’t criticise what he hasn’t stated as policy, so they are holding their noses for now. The trick is that Justin doesn’t care about the “old foggies” in the establishment, because he is counting on the supporters to get him to the big chair. The job now is to hold a light out to the supporters, most of whom are socially connected to the occupy and INM proffessional protesters. Once the blu-lib faction understands that their party “left” them, Justin will not become anything more than leader of the third place party.
Hearing the trained seals applaud his mindless toss off banalities and seeing the MSM canonise him for this and denigrate his detractors (even in the Librano Boss race)leads me to believe we are going to see a “dear leader” Messiah syndrome in this nation not unlike Obama worship in the US.
It appears the Libranos and their media pimps have been taking notes on US politics where media and Dem Party are amalgamated in creating a messianic idol of a political leader and shutting down any critical assessment of him or his policies.
Lib spinners can’t call PET Junior’s detractors “racist” but they can pull the class discrimination card as we see in this petulant outburst from the Pony boy – obviously he was conditioned by Librano spinners to spew this class bigotry come back when someone calls attention to his privileged life and lack of first hand empathy for the class of Canadians for whom he presumes to be a savior. As for the petulant storm off the stage was classic Tru-dough genetic arrogance.
Be warned – the Libranos are going to market this sack of privileged DNA as a Canadian Obama – a savior of the nation who is beyond scrutiny or criticism = a deity which the MSM will sanitize and canonize – just watch, you can see it in its formative stages now.
Looks like Justin couldn’t take the heat so he made a dramatic exit. When it comes to drama he’s their boy and that’s apparently what the Liberals are looking for in a leader. For those who have a more adult thought process, even among Liberals,they will realize he’s a shallow, petulant, prig who is trying to project to the star struck among us, although manor born, he understands the needs of the common folk.
“…Justin will not become anything more than leader of the third place party…”
I’ll put a beer on it that you’re dead wrong. I’ll even make it a real beer!
If it had anything to do with ability then Obama would not have been elected in the first place.
Trudeau stands a good chance of being PM because the left appeals to ‘greed and envy’ as a fundamental plank. Class envy and regional conflict kept them in power for decades. Canadian’s as a whole love it.
CPC’s main hope is that the Libels and Dippers continue to split the left.
Was Maggie cavorting with any rock stars, third world dictators, or president’s fat brothers 9 months before Justin was born or did it all start later? Should we ask for DNA tests? Don’t voters remember how thoroughly stupid Maggie was and half the genes are hers. She actually was one person stupider than Princess Diana.
Right you are Jamie MacMaster and Occam @ 10:17. Your inside scoop on the thought process; pre programed (by msm) sewage for the masses coming down the pipe, is spot on, IMO. Turdo’s pup is one of the msm ilk – he is a parisite by DNA, is incapable of outrage over principles (he does not have any), he has only a shiny pony face to present to the pipples – just what the msm want! Turdo Jr. comes accross like barry 0 – “a nice young fella, someone to have a beer or low fat cappuccino with in a smoke free environment”. The msm would have printed VOLUMES of outrage had the ‘idle no more’ tribal chiefs lit up in the same room as the shiny pony. Our Prime Minister is not in favor of frivolous bans that bankrupt some private sectors but he has asthma and tobacco smoke is not pleasant for people with asthma. Where was the msm outrage?
Msm is brutal to PMSH – anything goes when on the attack at this fine man but they will curl up to shiny pony like bugs in a dirty rug and foolish, domesticated, dogma driven, brainwashed women and Matthews type men will ‘like what they see’. Unca mo and his media pals have a boy doll here and they know it – the guy is Justin bieber type good looking and has a very high opinion of himself (the 0 will love him!), he flashes that dreamy smile (colgate smile) and tosses his shiny mane – the msm will be in full meltdown. PMSH will not stand a chance against the mindless tudomania II that the msm will stage for this little pile of quivering matter in a pretty package all tied up with a big red bow.
Sane people must do as Ezra is doing – attack the ‘image’. Get Turdo jr. to go meet the chiefs with live tobacco in their pipes. Send the little bird brain to Newfoundland to meet the Churchill Falls II people – make him back it up or not – bring up the NEP and ask him if he is proud of his papa, ask him what he likes about the 0 and Castro, tell him to disclose the Turdo Trust Fund $$ and give Canadians the amount and the donors. Bring up his ‘Blocista remarks again and again and again…if people just let him roll he will be the new Bamabama of Canada, IMO.
He looks too much like Pierre to be anyone else’s son.
Maybe the Gen Y demographic is ready for a Prime Minister Shiny Pony, but as for me and my peers….NOPE.
The Spawn of Satan will likely be the next PM. Canadians are tired of relatively responsible but boring governance (Harper-Fatigue). The Conservatives are in power by opposition fracture not majority vote. Canadians never fail to disappoint when it comes to low-info voting (2/3 of Canadians like Obama). The Spawn only needs to get the Quebec vote and enough of Ontario to win. Quebec votes nationally to screw the ROC in most elections. What better way than to drop the NDP and inflict another Trudeau on us.
Harper should use his time left to promote as much provincial autonomy as possible to make the Spawn’s goals of leviathan growth as difficult as possible.
I hope I’m wrong!
David, no one in MSM will ask Justin these questions other than Sun, and will disparage anyone who does ask those questions. Furthermore, as someone already commented, any Conservative ads questioning anything at all about Canada’s Obama will be derided as evil.
Let’s face it, the media has crowned JT as savior of Canada. In marc in calgary’s Reader Tips @ 1:16 am regarding Joe Dan Media’s “Intellectual Froglegs”. Joe Dan said Obama is just a symptom of the media. Justin is the symptom of the Canadian media and this time they mean to take back the government.
“…Justin is the symptom of the Canadian media…”
Absolutely, Ken. And, I’m afraid, an all-too accurate reflection of Western society in general. Self-obsessed, greedy, vacuous, and useless.
With apologies to McLuhan: “The Mediocrity is the message.”
Well, I dunno, Ken, you may well be right — I’m not at all persuaded, but I certainly respect your view, as you well know.
Apart from the, er, burgeoning list of national-dialogue-related questions for Mr. Trudeau, which is sure to expand, there are some little higgledy–piggledy things that cross my mind.
I’m curious, for instance, why the polls don’t quite line up for the Liberals. All current-scenario polls that I have seen (see Eric Grenier at http://www.threehundredeight.com) show an average six-point (mid-term) lead for Steve. Why, just this past week, I participated in an EKOS Research (horrors) robo-call (horrors) poll for iPolitics.com, which was out yesterday and which showed a four-point lead for Steve (34) over the NDP (30), with the Liberals at 21 percent or so, among likely voters. I’d note that there were only three names on the ballot on the call I received — Steve, Justin and Tom. To be fair, this particular poll is not included yet in Eric’s average.
And, if the assumption is that Justin is just going to switch seats with Tom in Quebec, why is EKOS reporting the Bloc at 30? And if Justin is the annointed one, why haven’t the current-scenario polls internalized that information already (efficient markets and all that)?
There have certainly been two or three polls showing Justin steaming ahead of Steve by ten points or so (I’ve seen at least one where they’re tied). Nevertheless, I can still recall John Crosbie saying in 1983, after he and Mulroney got into the race, when the Gallup, or something, showed the PCs with a 49 to 29 lead over the Liberals, led by Mr. Trudeau, Sr., that the PCs should have a different leader every week (this hard by his appearance on Barbara Frum’s old show, The Journal, saying that he would conduct his campaign as if “I was weened on a pickle” and that he would meet any criticism as if it were “water off a duck’s back”). That all ended with Mulroney at 50% and John Turner at 28%.
I can also recall that when Mulroney left office, he was at about 16%. Kim Campbell shot up to about 36% in the polls and then got clobbered with about 16% of the vote.
So, on the basis of mid-term polling, I’d say that Steve is pretty much certain of at least one more election win, if shy of a majority, at which point he can decide what he wants to do next. I, on the other hand, think he’s good for two more majorities. I, in the meanwhile, will continue working on his behalf…
P.S. I’m surprised at the defeatism around here today — not exactly what I would have expected from the Churchillians in my life. On the other hand, I have certainly been wrong in the past — and my wife certainly believes that I am always wrong.