For years the BBC has claimed that its propagandistic position of promoting the catastrophic global warming fraud, censoring the appearance of dissenters and even getting rid of anybody who refused to push the party line (e.g. Johnny Ball, Peter Sissons and the still very popular David Bellamy) was justified. The justification for this was that they claimed to have called, in 2006, a meeting of the country’s 28 “best scientific experts” who had unanimously told them that there was no scientific doubt that we were experiencing catastrophic warming.
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So who are Britain’s 28 “leading scientists”. There is a recently published list of Britain’s 100 leading scientists and none of them are on it. There is an MP, a Church of England devine, representatives of Greenpeace (2), Stop Climate Chaos, the US government, BP, a “renewables” company director, and other “environmental” activists. Of the very few of these “leading scientists” who have any claim to being scientists one is a gentleman who has gone on record as saying what he does (which he calls “post normal science”) is to tell those in power whatever they want to hear.
Incredible that the MSM has facilitated the economic rape of the entire free world. It will take decades to undo the brainwashing and we may never recover from the economic damage.
This sets me up well as the world’s preemminent Unicorn Fartologist…self identified.
This was one of my favorite comments.
“If that wasn’t weird enough for you, guess where the ex-executive of the BBC, Mark Thompson, is now the CEO…. come on guess…..
YUP ….THE NEW YORK TIMES.”
Obamas own mouthpiece. Who would have guessed ?
I wonder how many BBC people bought into the Carbon trading buisness on the ground floor?
Climate change was virtually absent during the presidential campaign until Hurricane Sandy hit the East Coast,
activists were elated when Obama mentioned the “destructive power of a warming planet” in his speech.
He hopes to begin his second term by opening a national “conversation” on climate change.
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First we need process all the downed trees so he can print more money..
Revnant Dream, all BBC employees have a big chunk of their pension fund invested in global warming. Hopefully it totally collapses on them, but it’s a great incentive to keep everyone blowing hot air.
Anthropogenic Global Warming: an invention of the Greedy, for promotion by the Lazy and Incurious, to be paid for by the Stupid.
The hysterically funny thing is, the BBC spent hundreds of thousands of dollars, to protect the list f names from the plebeians. It was still in court, when someone went on line, and found the info at the beebs on site.
Thank heavens we have the honest CBC here!
Andy you are obviously a racist, homophobic, islamophobic, heterophobic, mediaphobic jerk.
Welcome to the club!
Hey! I’m an expert too! Scientist or whatever.
I simply need the formula that determines the correct number of letters to put after my name so ‘journalists’ kiss my a$$? If anyone has a formula that includes numbers too – that would be totally awesome! Awaiting your reply, thanks!
It’s activists and rent-seekers all the way down. BTW, is anyone surprised to see the a CoE priest on the list? I think they had made some fairly big investments in Big Green, too.
The AGW scam is far from over. Obama will secretly impliment all sorts of economy destroying regulations through his front organization, the EPA or NASA. California is ready to implement carbon trading and other greenie/lefty states won’t be far behind. The European parliament and elite have to much invested to admit that not only are they wrong but that they lied and the whole thing was a scam. MSM promoters like the BBC or CBC are not going to disappear they’ve simply become too big and powerful.
This won’t end till the last lefty/greenie is removed from any position of power.
And they thought that giving Gore the reins of the US science bureaucracy would keep him quiet and from under foot.
Who would have know how much power there was in halls of academia?
What the BBC did something similar. Arbitrarily decide who is right, and fire anybody that dissagreed.
Gore’s strategy has cost at least a generation of time, 100’s of billions of taxes (in the US), and trillions in extra costs for fuels worldwide.
And they thought that giving Gore the reins of the US science bureaucracy would keep him quiet and from under foot.
Who would have know how much power there was in halls of academia?
What the BBC did something similar. Arbitrarily decide who is right, and fire anybody that dissagreed.
Gore’s strategy has cost at least a generation of time, 100’s of billions of taxes (in the US), and trillions in extra costs for fuels worldwide.
Obama’s war on affordable energy and blue-collar jobs is continuing:
http://www.sfgate.com/business/energy/article/Montana-s-Decker-coal-mine-to-lay-off-75-workers-4045318.php
The 28Gate story has more to it than simply using a biased set of “advisors”.
The reason why the BBC wanted to protect this list of names wasn’t so much because of the biased group, but because the meeting actually served another purpose entirely.
It was only when questions persisted about the BBC’s lack of impartiality that they had to come up with an excuse for the way thy had been behaving for years (contrary to the requirements of their charter). The more or less arbitrarily picked this seminar and proclaimed that it had been a meeting of experts to determine their policy on AGW.
In fact it was, but it had an entirely different purpose than to simply decide if “the science was settled”.
For a brief as I can make it overview of the issues here, see my blog entry:
http://thoughtsoftheguru.com/2012/11/understanding-the-bbc-2006-seminar-issue/
After a five year battle, a pensioner managed to get the BBC into court with a Freedom of Information suit to try to discover the names of the “experts.”
The pensioner’s “legal team” – himself and his wife.
The BBC was represented by SIX, count them, SIX lawyers!
There is a blog called USSNeverdock that ran a series of posts on bias and fraud at the BBC.
The blog is still there as are the archived posts. Even though there have been no new posts since March of this year, the archived material is worth looking over.
@ Philip at November 17, 2012 1:48 PM
Great article. Small wonder the UN wants to take over the internet. We know which side of the “settled science” they would fall on.
Some reports have stated that despite the contrary advice and opposition of their pension fund manager,
the BBC pension fund was directed by BBC management and union reps to put an overwhelming amount
of the contributions into risky wild pie in the sky greenie start ups and carbon credit scams.
Let’s just say the great amount of on air enthusiasm for fighting Globull Warming at the Beeb was not all just
because they were saints trying to save the world.
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http://www.deloitte.com/assets/Dcom-Australia/Local%20Assets/Documents/Services/Forensic/Carbon_credit_fraud.pdf
“In October 2009, it was reported that officials in five
European countries were investigating a carbon credit
scam considered to be worth more than $1.5 billion5.
In August 2009, UK authorities arrested nine people in
connection with a £38 million carbon credit scam”.
I don’t believe I have ever experienced the “schadenfreude” that came from reading of this, the fraudsters being defrauded by fraudsters. And the governments had the temerity to call THEM criminals!
I DO hope the scammers of the rest of that 1.5 billion Euro scam, got away scot free with the 1.462 billion Euros over and above the 38 million those nine unfortunates were arrested for.
I’ve said it before and I’ll continue to say it, the Biased Broadcasting Corporation is a parasitic plight on the face of the world, deny it traffic especially on the internet, its not just AGW and its other current scandals its much bigger and more pernicious than the NYT and CBC combined, its a mouthpiece for all thats evil in todays world.
Right now its continuing its “balanced” reporting on Israel.
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/11/15/BBC-Lies-About-Gaza-Victim
If you need to see the mouthpiece of extremist Socialism/Communism/Fascism and the moral decline of the west then find it all in the history and present of the BBC.
The science IS settled, you neanderthals are either just too dense to understand the science or too stubborn to accept it. Explain to me how you’d rather believe idiots like Palin or Limbaugh than the overwhelming majority of scientists. Why?? What is it about being so wrong about something that you find so attractive? Don’t you like/believe science? Were you picked on in science class? Are you one of these fundamentalist christians who won’t accept science or anything if it’s not in the bible? Do you just have an inherent hatred for educated/intelligent people? I’m just really curious why and how you can continue to deny factual information. Then again y’all denied the polls that said Obama was going to win! You were wrong about that and you’re wrong about this.
Tom, sorry, you just lost the argument, due to your Ad Hominem attack. Far be it from me to engage an obvious troll, but I can’t help this one. (Sorry, Kate.)
Science, by its very nature, is never settled. Science isn’t done by consensus. As such, dissenting opinions are necessary for the advancement of science. Therefore, a scientific echo chamber won’t ever get anywhere. And, FYI, there’s not even close to a consensus on this subject anyhow. I submit that, yes, the earth is warming, and I imagine most here would agree. By how much it’s warming and the cause of the warming, however, isn’t even close to known, and nor will it ever be. It’s not settled. I’ll explain below.
I’d rather believe my own eyes and scientific brain. I have studied this stuff and its related sciences deeply (not exactly a fundamentalist Christian who won’t accept science and who has an inherent hatred for intelligent/educated people) and let me tell you, this isn’t clear by a long shot.
1) The measurement methods and locations are highly suspect. The urban heat island effect has been fudge factored into calculations, which is always a red flag. Tree ring data are dependent on factors other than temperature.
2) If you study graphs of temperature and carbon dioxide, the CO2 rise actually follows temperature rise, rather than preceding it.
3) Computer modelling is a dartboard shot at best. Truncation errors come from the fact that computers use finite differences and finite summations to solve differentials and integrals, respectively. Over millions and billions of calculations, those tiny errors become huge errors. Ever wonder why weather forecasts can’t go beyond (at the longest) 10 days? There you go–truncation errors. (And don’t give me the BS about climate being different–climate is what you expect and weather is what you get, but more importantly, just like weather, climate is a nonlinear system, so the same principles apply.) There’s problem one. Problem two is that we don’t have a full grasp on the equations that govern the atmosphere anyhow–we have good guesses but even in the models now there are fudge factors and approximations thrown in. Further, in order to know the future state of the atmosphere, in addition to being able to know and solve all the equations as outlined above, we also have to be able to know the state of the atmosphere at every point at one time. And to do that, we’d have to measure on a scale never before seen. Which would, by the way, alter the state of the atmosphere itself anyhow. So good luck with that.
4) We have no way of knowing for sure how much effect increasing carbon dioxide (especially in the concentrations with which we’re currently working) has on temperature. We may model it but, as outlined above, that has many flaws. The only way we could know for sure is if we were to somehow have a parallel earth with exactly the same conditions to use as a base case in a parallel study. And I don’t see any other earths out there right now.
So no, we don’t buy the alarmist crap about how we have to destroy economies to take huge actions that may not even do anything.
Now of course don’t let this make you think that we hate the environment. Most conservatives I know (myself included) are tremendous stewards of the earth. We all cherish the air, water and land we have, and want to take real precautions to ensure it stays that way, not throwing money away on something that, even if it were an issue, would be better spent on adaptation than mitigation.
@ Johann
Well put but any logic generally bounces off brainwashed people like Tom. Doubt if he has even looked at the latest revelation regarding the BBC or how the “experts” at the ICCP have been completely discredited. Tom is simply a useful tool to perpetuate the greatest hoax in modern time although he would not understand that or what the meaning of “follow the money” means. Gore and Suzuki need people like Tom and they are certainly in good supply. Too many to waste your time and common sense on.
Should add that Tom is on a road well traveled.
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.global-warming/SEXT3vTBgys
Should have been IPCC,…..but you knew that:)