Find a nest of anti-Semites – Members of the United Church of Canada, the country’s largest Protestant denomination, voted Wednesday to affirm a controversial motion supporting a boycott of goods produced in Israeli settlements on the West Bank and in East Jerusalem.
Yes, exactly what you would expect from a group that opposes bottled water, nuclear power, fossil fuels, and repeatedly exposes pro union sentiment and endorses gay marriage. If anybody thinks the United Church hasn’t been hijacked by the leftist/gay movement , think again.
Though it seems to be working, their pews are full, coffers are overflowing and they continue to open new churches across the country (sic off).
Any word on any pending non-controversial motions supporting a boycott of goods produced by the bloodthirsty savages in Gaza – assuming they ever get around to producing goods?
United Church against pipeline
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/energy-resources/United+Church+moves+publicly+oppose+Northern/7092967/story.html
United church dwindling
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2012/08/11/20093181.html
No more Jesus in the United Church. It has been taken over by the enemy. Sad.
Three million Canadians identify themselves as members of the United Church,according to Statscan!
Better they should cut to the chase and just join the Communist Party of Canada,they’d save on the tithe.
dmorris….don’t believe Statscan.I can check off any stupid box.There are lies,damned lies,and statistics.I went to school with a gal who became a United minister.She left after the first gay vote succeeded.As she put it,this is not my church anymore,and it most definitely is not Jesus’.And who said commies didn’t like church?
Re: “the country’s largest Protestant denomination”
I’m not sure if this is true now (today’s National Post gives membership as 500,000) but I expect it won’t be for much longer.
This is a church after all where someone like Gretta Vosper is welcome notwithstanding her repudiation of core Christian beliefs:
“Ms. Vosper does not believe in the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, the miracles and the sacrament of baptism. Nor does she believe in the creeds, the presence of Christ in communion or that Jesus was the Son of God.”
“In With or Without God, her book that was formally launched this week, she writes that Jesus was a “Middle Eastern peasant with a few charismatic gifts and a great posthumous marketing team.”
“The Bible is used in her services, but it gets rewritten to be more contemporary and speak to more people. Even the Lord’s Prayer — also known as the Our Father — does not make the cut because it creates an image of a God who intervenes in human existence. And then there is the “Father” part that is not inclusive language and carries with it the notion of an overbearing tyrant who condemns people to hell.”
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/21365/christianity-without-christ
Now longer relevant.
And yet they continue down the road to oblivion.
It must hurt those true followers of Christ, in the United Church, to see where their leadership is taking them.
Hey, it’s a free society: if I want to refuse to buy & encourage others not to buy, from a source that I politically reject, am I not allowed?
I assume from comments around here that there are boycotts on all the time — banannas, CBC etc.
In this case the source is falsely stated to be Israeli, but is Occupied Territory which has been settled by the occupiers illegally under Occupation Law. The resolution states that this acts against internatinal agreements to eventualy attain a two-state solution. That is blatantly true.
As for the accusation of anti-Semitism, nowhere in the CIJA press release you presented, nor in any of the related links, is that accusation made. Some of these people presumably have experienced real anti-Semitism & want to preserve it’s meaning, rather than having it become a meaningless epithet.
From the linked article: “An online survey, commissioned by CIJA and Faithful Witness, an anti-boycott group led by a United Church pastor, found 78 per cent of church members believe the church should remain neutral on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.”
Well, there’s your problem right there, you damned (quite literally, in fact) fools. Any organization that claims to be Christian should most definitely not be neutral on the issue. Christians should be solidly behind Israel. The muslim claim to Jerusalem is based entirely upon a lie.
Time to change the name to the United Church of Satan.
I repeat my question: If Jerusalem is the capital of Israel then how come the Arabs living in East Jerusalem are not citizen of Israel?
Then take your dictionary and look at the definition of Apartheid.
Think people think. Connect the dots.
Is this a religion…..not a chance….gay marriage, gay ministers……supporting terrorists who are non-Christians….non – Jews….supporting Muslims who want to kill everyone….do you think that Satan has taken over these losers? Good time for anyone that is a Christian to leave this cult.
By embracing political activism and distancing itself from theological considerations, the United Church has become irrelevant as a religious institution.
Were it not for its remaining thin veneer of religion, the United Church’s Jew baiting and its mindless opposition to technological progress would make it anathema to decent people. Its ultimate disappearance from the public sphere cannot come soon enough. That’s too bad because the UC of C was once a charitable social force.
Quebecois NDP separatiste; Great. Let’s blend your logic into a situation closer to home, say in the Eastern Townships or the West Island.
// Quebecois NDP separatiste; Great. Let’s blend your logic into a situation closer to home, say in the Eastern Townships or the West Island.
Posted by: mike mccormick4 //
Mike. Are you saying that people in the Eastern townships can’t vote in the upcoming Quebec electin?
Remember what I wrote on the first post, earlier today:
Leftism is a religion unto itself. While a person might casually identify themselves as a “Leftist Christian” or a “Leftist Jew”, if the values of Leftism constantly overrule the tenets of the religious denomination, then is the person truly any longer a Christian or Jew respectively?
The United Church of Canada is one of most “progressive” (aka leftist) churches in Canada. So should anyone be surprised at their rampant anti-semitism? Of course not!
Quebecois NDP separatiste, actually you are wrong.
Palestinians living in “East” Jerusalem are considered “Israeli Arabs”. They have Israeli identity numbers, and can vote, and travel wherever they want, work in Israel and collect social benefits from Israel’s National Insurance Institute. They are like the “Israeli Arabs” in the Galilee, Jaffa, Ramla and other mixed cities, like Haifa. Get your facts straight. And actually, they use their Israeli IDs quite frequently to help their West Bank buddies carry out terror attacks within Israel.
By the way-are you equally concerned about minority rights in other Middle Eastern countries like Saudi Arabia, that’s real apartheid-dirty kufars aren’t even allowed in, and gender apartheid where women are treated worse than dogs? Or even about Palestinians in places other than Israel? Probably not.
Israel would not be an issue if there were no ‘Jews’ in Israel.
dizzy is in a tizzy
The occcccupayyyyyshun! Those uppity Jews occupying Palllysteeeeyn.
It was Jewish land long before there were “Palestinians”. I know it makes people like you really upset that Jews exist in their own country, but that’s too bad. Are some of your best friends Jews?
Quebecois NDP Stripatease & Laura:
East Jerusalem Palestinian Arabs were offered Israeli citizenship in 1967 but most turned it down, although there is currently a trend towards acquiring it. (The situation certainly beats the one in 1948 when the Jews were kicked out of the Jewish Quarter by the British led Arab Legion, doesn’t it QNS?)
Laura
// dizzy is in a tizzy
The occcccupayyyyyshun! Those uppity Jews occupying Palllysteeeeyn. //
Your response goes downhill from there.
More interesting is your response to Quebecois NDP separatiste.
Ingnoring his question, you rabbit on about identity numbers [a sign of freedom, right?] and the like.
So I ask with Quebecois “Are they citizens?”
I’m not convinced that wrong-headed and anti-Semitic are interchangeable. The fact is, these people are probably not anti-Semitic at all, just misinformed. But this is a quibble, from somebody who values precision in language. There is a movement out there to equate anti-Israeli with anti-Semitic, and that could blur important legal questions. On principle, it is not a good idea in Canadian law to make it illegal to criticize any government, especially one not elected here. On the other hand, it is equally a bad idea to blacklist those who support a foreign government unless that government is hostile to Canada (or NATO, for clarity). One thing that Israel is not, is hostile to Canada. They have enough enemies in their own back yard.
That was not worded as precisely as I would wish; let’s say it is not a good idea to have laws that forbid the criticism of any governments anywhere.
FrenchDip said: “Think people think. Connect the dots.”
I did. I connected all the dots on the map made by thousands of Palestinian rockets falling randomly in Israel, and I thought about what the residents of Quebec would do if half that many rockets got launched at Montreal from Oka. In a dispute over a golf course, perhaps.
I decided that kind of reaction was much too extreme for a good Scots boy from Ontario.
“Then take your dictionary and look at the definition of Apartheid.”
You Pur Laine are running your own version in Quebec against allophones and anglophones, so your one to be pointing fingers – in the mirror.
They obviously don’t read their Bible and prefer the theories of men which attempt to legitimize hatred for the Jews; citing their plot to take over the world and then there’s the Jews rule the world banking system and caused the 2008 collapse, plotted 911, and the war in Afghanistan. Lat but not least, the holocaust did not happen and was simply a plot by the Jews to gain sympathy.
Isaiah 52: 1-10
1 Awake, awake; put on thy strength, O Zion; put on thy beautiful garments, O Jerusalem, the holy city: for henceforth there shall no more come into thee the uncircumcised and the unclean.
2 Shake thyself from the dust; arise, and sit down, O Jerusalem: loose thyself from the bands of thy neck, O captive daughter of Zion.
3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall be redeemed without money.
4 For thus saith the Lord GOD, My people went down aforetime into Egypt to sojourn there; and the Assyrian oppressed them without cause.
5 Now therefore, what have I here, saith the LORD, that my people is taken away for nought? they that rule over them make them to howl, saith the LORD; and my name continually every day is blasphemed.
6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy God reigneth!
8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD shall bring again Zion.
9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.
10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our God.
The United Church is full of Deists. Weather to a god , human totem,or the Planet Earth. Christianity has long since left them. Its certainly not the Jesus of the bible (Who was a rabbi, hardly a peasant, though as all rabbis of the age, had a trade. His was carpentry which meant a great deal of difference than todays idea of one.)
This is not an unusual state for this age pf the Church of Ladocia. In fact its a prophecy. Bear in mind the last days started at Pentecost when the Spirit of God was sent by Joshua. Who real Christians affirm as God the Son, made Flesh upon the Earth to die for our sins.
Believe it or not, thats n0oraml doctrine for any Bible or traditional Church. Not so this one. Nor incrasingly the Anglican One. We call them Apostate Churchs, ones who turn there backs of the Messiah for Worldky beliefs.
For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions,
2Ti 4:4 and will turn away from listening to the truth and wander off into myths.
2Ti 4:5 As for you, always be sober-minded, endure suffering, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.
Unfortunately, the Anglican Church of Canada (ACC) is following the steeply down- and left-ward path of the United Church of Canada (UCC). These “churches” are full of left-wing, secular, well off “do-gooders”, dressed up—in the case of the ACC—in cassocks and surplices. Although there are still some—unhappy—true Christians in both of these apostate churches, they are few and far between and, as the older members die off, are going to be drastically fewer and farther between.
Reading about this latest scandal of the UCC, I feel the same kind of queasiness I felt during my last 20 years in the ACC—until I happily became a Roman Catholic. The hypocrisy, small mindedness, and, yes, stupidity of progressive Christians, who most certainly do not practise the tolerance, inclusiveness, and charity they claim to champion, finally drove me out. Family members still get Anglican publications: the only topics that make the cut are injustices against gays, feminists, and aboriginals. (Unborn children killed at the request of their mothers? State and other persecution of non-PC, law abiding citizens? Not a peep.) In both the ACC and UCC, the lack of intellectual and moral rigour and adherence to traditional Christianity—heck, Christianity, period!—is shocking and despicable.
Kate’s “Not Waiting for the Asteroid” designation most definitely fits the ACC and UCC. Kyrie eleison.
Boycott them and send an email demanding their charity status be pulled by RC.
Re: “the country’s largest Protestant denomination”
The United Church has not been in any way related to the Protestant movement since the 1960s (at least).
The United Church was coopted by commies and feminists and left any and all actual Christians out of the conversation.
No one with either intelligence or integrity remains in the United Church.
The United Church is a mockery of Christian Protestant belief and a disgrace.
OMMAG: what, pray tell, denomination passes your sniff test?
BTW: wait until you read about our new moderator!
dizzy “As for the accusation of anti-Semitism, nowhere in the CIJA press release you presented, nor in any of the related links, is that accusation made….”
Have you not noticed the double standards the United Church applies? It boycotts Israel not not any of the Muslim nations that systematically oppress non-Muslims, women, etc. Nor has it ever shown any interest in boycotting various communist regimes no matter how evil.
So yes, the United Church is anti-Semitic.
Get a clue.
It depends on how you define the “church”. There’s a lot of Christians who were born in the United Church and stay in it out of loyalty; they may indeed constitute the majority of the membership. But the clergy and church heirarchy are overwhelmingly non-Christian. To the extent you can characterize the Church today, it’s effectively Unitarian with a big slug of Marxist plus a generous helping of free-form idiocy.
“the report named the Israeli occupation of Palestinian territory as a major challenge to a two-state solution in the Middle East.”
I wonder if they considered that the Hamas determination to wipe Israel off the map as a challenged to a two state solution. Kinda difficult to have a two state solution when there’s only one left.
ebt: I can only speak for the United Churches in my area but the ones where I’ve been invited to preach, I’m expected to lead the prayers to God (in the form of the Trinity, including the Lord’s Prayer), proclaim the good news spread through Jesus and call upon the Holy Spirit to lead us out into the world as the body of Christ.
Granted it is a small sample (the United Church has more preaching points than there are Tim Horton’s in Canada) but in this area, the church hierarchy I meet believe in Jesus as God incarnate.
26 Years ago when I was an active member I was arguing at a meeting where I asked why the UCC was taking sides in the Gainers strike. After listening to all of the leftist crap I ended the conversation with, “When did the UCC become a division of the NDP? Are we now going to set up abortion clinics in the basement beside the Sunday School?” I left and never returned.
There are those in the United Church who think that one doesn’t have to believe in God or Christ to be a Christian.
I think that logical disconnect clears up a few things.
Mike T “the UCC was taking sides in the Gainers strike”
All the crap Pocklington took in the face of economic reality totally out of his control. There used to be 4 large packing plants in Edmonton. There are now none. The unions were broken in the US and Edmonton could only survive with wages halved. Ultimately the packing industry died. Today, the whole industry has gone to new plants in southern Alberta hiring third world immigrants or to the US.
Robert @ 1:55, exactly.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no one in any way deceive you, for it will not come unless the apostasy comes first, and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the son of destruction.
Left this lefty love in masquerading as a church 20 years ago and never looked back. Most of the sermons sounded like a cross between secular humaism and politically correct bat guano.
Not the environment you need to seek salvation – unless you consider being dumbed down and servile to a political cult to be your salvation.
The United Church: the Communist Party at prayer.
I too am awaiting their motion (since Jews are not allowed in that country) to boycott Saudi oil; or (since they are clearly up-to-date on current events) to denounce, say, Robert Mugabe.
Anything less would be hypocrisy, but hypocrisy is the left’s stock in trade. They are on a campaign to see how much “cognitive dissonance” they can get away with before the rest of us notice.
And it bears repeating:
The left’s anti-Israel campaign is not so much anti-Semitism as it is anti-capitalism and anti-democracy, and therefore anti-humanity.
nv53 “The left’s anti-Israel campaign is not so much anti-Semitism as it is anti-capitalism and anti-democracy…”
Yes. One reason that the Left turned against Israel was because Israelis abandoned the socialist kibbutz. The Left saw this as treason.
Another reason, of course, was that the Western Left was following Moscow’s lead in its program to use Arab/Muslim hatred of Israel to make trouble for the West.
Late to this, but Gretta Vosper was mentioned upthread. Happily, she has a website.
“Do you believe in God?”
“Wow! This is one of the biggies and I get asked it all the time. It has to do with the fact that I rarely use the word “god” but, because I’m a minister, people expect me to, and not just once in a while. For some, it would be okay if I used it in every sentence.
Now, people don’t really ask me if I believe in nematodes although the name of the teeny-tiny worm-things does not regularly enter my vocabulary either….
what do you mean when you ask me if I believe in god? Without knowing what you mean by that word, I simply can’t answer you.
I could say “no,” but I’d be guessing at what you mean.
I could say “yes,” but without explaining to you what I mean by god, my answer would mean nothing.”
B*tch, I’m an agnostic. That’s one of the many reasons I’m not a minister.
pst314
// dizzy […] Have you not noticed the double standards […]
So yes, the United Church is anti-Semitic. //
The United Church is not anti-Semitic.
Boycott is a technique, a strategy; not an attitude of mind.
It is applied in order to achieve a particular goal. It is applied to nations or people BY nations or people who might be influenced.
In other words, you don’t do it to enemies.
As for double standards, here’s one — Israeli officials who lament that the west is anti-Semitic in criticizing Israeli policies but who at the same time establish a partnership with the most anti-Semitic types on earth. That is; those Christians who have Jews slotted in as players in their End Times prophecies, in which Jews will have the choice of converting or burning. Classic medieval anti-Semitism.
I presume that the little sneer at the end is meant to distract from the banality of your post.
Canadian Kate, I certainly believe you, and I hope you won’t take my remarks as antagonistic. I myself know admirable Christian congregations in the UC. But they are underepresented to the point of exclusion in the central institutions of the Church, and they represent only one – perhaps not even the most important – element in the Church we know today.
That always reminds me of one of my favourite Steynisms: “Those dead-again Christians of the United Church”.
So the United Church supports Muslim vocal Muslim efforts to kill all the Jews of Israel. But apparently they are not anti-Semitic. If they are not anti-Semitic, they are collectively the stupidest @ssholes in the world.
Someone said that the United Church has three million members. That’s basically b.s. In terms of real worshipers and active members, the number is probably more in the area of about 100, 000. Seriously. Check it out for yourself. No one should take the U.C. seriously. Most of its leaders don’t believe the basic tenants of Christianity, e.g, the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Very simply put, it is a false church. It’s leaders are wolves in sheep’s clothing.
RAS, I fully agree with you. The UCC is, indeed, a “false church”, whose leadership, as far as I can see, is full of politically correct, deluded idiots, who not only have a very high opinion of themselves, but seem to think they have to let the rest of know (and know and know . . .) just how special and (self-) righteous they are. The UCC leaders need to read The Beatitudes. (But, with hearts and brains so full of themselves, I doubt they’d get the message.)
I notice that the Roman Catholic Church (I’m now a Catholic), a much more serious Christian enterprise, isn’t constantly butting into world affairs with pompous pronouncements: one can interpret its encyclicals in light of world events, but the RCC doesn’t make gratuitous political statements.
From Psalm 122:
“O pray for the peace of Jerusalem; they shall prosper that love thee./ Peace be within thy walls, and plenteousness within thy palaces./ For my brethren and companions’ sakes, I will wish thee prosperity./ Yea, because of the house of the Lord our God, I will seek to do thee good.” Amen, I say!
(P.S. The word you want is “tenets”: tenants live in rented spaces!)
A “Christian” is a follower of Christ. Nobody has to believe that Christ is God to be a “Christian” in that sense. Christ, of course, was not (and could not have been) a “Christian”. (None of these comments are intended as an an attack on anyone regardless of their beliefs. . .)
As far as they boycott is concerned, it is a boycott of products produce in land which was seized illegally under both the law of Israel and international law, settlements which undermine the safety of both Israelis and Palestinians. Why is this controversial?