For the crime of committing “prayer meeting”;
Saudi officials strip-searched all the women and subjected them to an abusive body-cavity search, and assaulted the men. In a remarkable prison interview with the Voice of America’s Amharic-language service, one of the women, who contracted an infection from the search, attested: “We are traumatized by the strip search. They treated us like dogs because of our Christian faith. While talking about me during a recent visit to the prison medical center, I overheard a nurse telling a doctor ‘if she dies, we will put her in a trash bin.’”
This has been going on under the nose of the media for a long time. It is not an isolated incident.
They would rather have their knickers in a knot about Khadr.
Voice of the Martyrs
http://www.persecution.net/
Westerners need to understand that Muslims are not swayed by the mewling of “infidels”.
It’s THEIR country, THEIR culture, THEIR religion, THEIR rules.
At some level do we not envy the strengths of their convictions?
Criticize a westerner by calling him a “racist”, “homophobe” or “anti-semite”, and he’ll crawl on his belly through sahrds of broken glass, pleading for forgiveness.
The sooner we realize that their convictions are as solid as an iron bar, while ours are strands of flaccid noodles, the sooner we will realize that we are about to be devoured.
Liberals will soon be defending this here. In many aspects they already are.
Dystopian Optimist at February 9, 2012 11:12 AM
Speak for yourself on this one.
“Our God tells us to love everyone”
Gee, I’m no theologian, but this seems kinda different from islam.
And yet liberals tell us that there’s simply no need for that new office of international religious freedom that Prime Minister Harper wants. In fact they say it’s a bad idea. Very, very bad and silly. And so like, totally unnecessary! Why, only a xenophobic Islamophobe would ever want to create such a thing, as it’s clearly intended just to stigmatize and persecute poor, helpless Muslims all around the world.
Etcetera, etcetera…
PP @t 11:28
“Speak for yourself on this one.”
I have.
Why not present your views?
Another headline you’ll never see at CBC: Over 100,000 Christians are murdered for their faith each year.
Conrad Black
http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/290498/global-persecution-christians-conrad-black
Dystopian Optimist >
Ya nailed it.
If “we” as a society were socially and morally strong with some basic common sense, we wouldn’t be importing Islam wholesale as we are.
How many riot’s, car-b-que’s and white female gang rapes across Europe will there be until we wake up? It seems like we never will, making you point of our eventual demise sadly even pathetically valid.
The truth of the matter is that the Saudi government really has no control of the Mutawwa’in and the religious courts.
Why do the Mutawwa’in and the religious courts do this….because they can. Power corrupts and…..
That Islam is not a religion but rather a political system devised by a bedouin brigand is not admitted by our hand-wringers. Islam conveniently allows honour killings, blood money to absolve murder, brigandage and slavery….IOW a Muslim male can do whatever he pleases…as long as he doesn’t offend some-one higher on the food chain.
It is your “Leadership”, enabled by your fine friends in “Law Enforcement”, who are making this happen. Will you ever have the courage to thank them appropriately?
and Allah help you if you don’t do and say everything in exactly the right way…
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/saudi-bloggers-tweets-about-prophet-muhammad-stir-islamists-to-call-for-his-execution/2012/02/09/gIQATqbc1Q_blog.html?tid=sm_twitter_washingtonpost
(WaPo) — Hamza Kashgari had no idea the firestorm sending out a few candid tweets about the prophet Muhammad would cause.
The Saudi blogger, reflecting last week on the upcoming anniversary of the prophet’s birth, wrote, in part: “On your birthday, I will say that I have loved the rebel in you, that you’ve always been a source of inspiration to me, and that I do not like the halos of divinity around you. I shall not pray for you.”
Fast forward one week, and Kashgari, 23, has deleted his Twitter account and been forced to fleet the country to Southeast Asia. Leading clerics are calling his for his execution. The king has issued a warrant for his arrest. Islamists continue to show up at his home address in Saudi Arabia, which was posted on YouTube, and at the mosque he attended. A Facebook group demanding Kashgari’s execution is more than 10,000 members strong.
“I’m afraid, and I don’t know where to go,” Kashgari told the Daily Beast.
Kashgari had also written: “I shall not kiss your hand. Rather, I shall shake it as equals do, and smile at you as you smile at me. I shall speak to you as a friend, no more.”
In a video posted to YouTube, Saudi Sheikh Nasser Al-Omar is shown weeping as he pleads with the king to execute Kashgari for writings he calls “shameful.”
Saudi Sheik Al-Qarni sent out a similar message, demanding revenge against Kashgari in another video that appeared on YouTube.
Where’s Charlie Wilson when we need him? Why don’t we look at supporting someone outside the Saud family to run the place? Why do these guys look more like the enemy than our enemies?
Dystopian Optimist at 11:12 am: “…their convictions are as solid as an iron bar, while ours are strands of flaccid noodles…”
Patsplace at 11:28 am: “Speak for yourself on this one.”
What Patsplace was getting at was SDAers tend to have convictions as solid as iron bars. Modern liberals are the ones with convictions as solid as flaccid noodles.
Scar at 1:28 pm: “Why don’t we look at supporting someone outside the Saud family to run the place?”
‘Cause it was the al-Saud family/clan that united numerous sheikdoms into SA in the first place. In Saudi, literally, “L’etat, c’est nous” – and without the al-Saudi family, the country would disintegrate back into the numerous sheikhdoms.
Not to mention “outrage” would ensue if the Yanks interfered with the governance of the “holy shrines of Mecca & Medina”.
More reason not to buy Saudi oil. Now if only the anti-oil sands morons would realize this we could stop funding islamic tyranny and build up our own country into an economic powerhouse and starve out the middle east.
The US puts up with a lot of crap to keep their Naval base in Bahrain, home of the 5th fleet. When it comes to Saudi Arabia the policy is hear no evil. see no evil etc. We saw that on 9/11. Christians are disposable when it comes to maintaining the status quo.The Saudies pretend they don’t hate Christians and the West pretends the Saudies are friends. The rest is just world politics.
Come now, Robert. The oil sands are a greater moral wrong than misogyny, racism, and general islamic tyranny. /sarc.
jwkozak91 “the al-Saud family/clan that united numerous sheikdoms into SA in the first place”
Didn’t they steal it from the Hashemi?
The ill treatment and abuse of these Christians is nothing new in world history. “Through many tribulations we will enter the Kingdom of God” was written long ago and still stands strong today.
Religion hates the freedom that relationship with Jesus brings.
Same old patterns to try and stop the Truth from being heard and embraced.
“The sooner we realize that their convictions are as solid as an iron bar, while ours are strands of flaccid noodles, the sooner we will realize that we are about to be devoured.
Posted by: Dystopian Optimist at February 9, 2012 11:12 AM”
The truth is that there are over 100,000 Muslims converting to Christianity each and every month, so I would agree that they are indeed in a religious prison, but the prisoners are being set free.
Truth always wins, takes a few hits, a few black eyes, a good *#it-kickin, but it still wins in the end. You should maybe change that moniker to more accurately reflect that real state of our world…;^)
Now if she were a Muslim and the abuser a Jew then we’d be listening to the leftard’s rally and rave and rant for months. Funny an abused Christian female never bothers them one wit.
“…one of the women, who contracted an infection from the search…”
Let that one sink in.
Dirty finger nails ?
Scar at 2:03 pm: “Didn’t they steal it from the Hashemi?”
Well, yes – in theory a Hashemite could become King of Arabia; however again, “Yankee interference in the governance of the holy shrines” – based on the Jordanian branch, I think the Wahhabi clerical establishment would consider the Hashemi “too Westernized” to rule.
What happened to our will, anyway?
Why did we apologise for having a civilisation that worked?
Maybe Iran should turn its anger towards Saudi Arabia? Let the sharks devour the sharks. We can watch the fireworks from here.
Liberals do already defend this here. Grannies get stripped in airports so that we don’t “profile” people. Wouldn’t want to offend anyone.
Say what you want about CBC – you can’t fault them for ignoring the cruel persecutions of religous minorities in this country.
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/ottawa/story/2012/01/02/gatineau-mosque-vandalism.html
So tell me again, why do we allow muslims into Canada?
a@c “So tell me again, why do we allow muslims into Canada?”
Because people perceive it as simply another religion like Christianity, Hinduism, or Budhism. It’s not. Whereas the others preach tolerance, it does not.
“”So tell me again, why do we allow muslims into Canada?”””
so we have import fewer hard working white, civilized, western folk
Black Mamba, exactly.
“so we have import fewer hard working white, civilized, western folk”
And where will they come from?
Its not that we don’t want to import them. Its more that they don’t want to come.
And who can blame them? Theres hardly any jobs here, and everything is becoming more expensive (partly due to exchange rates) in relative terms. Why would an Englishman come to Canada when his chances of getting a job are the same as they are in England, but he benefits from cheaper internet, cheaper airfares, better/cheaper connectivity to neighboring nations/rest of the world (its often cheaper to fly from London to NYC than it is from Toronto), and with the lowest taxrate extending to 38,000 GBP.
And if you’re skilled, then Canada’s an even worse bet. A country full of mediocre middle management (look at AIr Canada or Bell or Rogers – completely uncompetitive on a global scale as compared to say, Lufthansa, Deutche Telecom or Vodafone). We’ve traded ambition and hard work for comfort. Problem is, ambitious types aren’t interested in the Canadian dream (read overpriced house in the suburbs of towns).
I suppose you could say the same of any western country.
And to top it off – the high performing educated classes from China and India are also beginning to treat this place as a country of convenience (passport, real estate et al), simply because Canada has nothing to offer to them either (beyond the ‘no Canadian experience’/ we dont recognize your skills nonsense). Now we can’t even count on getting the best of the best from developing countries. Some might slip through, but for the most part, you re not getting the same quality of folks of the caliber who landed in the US in the 70s and 80s (I believe the Indians are the highest earning ethnic demographic, followed by Asians).
FWIW, I dont think you’ve considered the fact that the ones who leave these barbaric areas are the ones who dont like it there. They re not the ones trying to bring it here.
But by all means, if you can convince anyone you consider worthy of Canada to come to Canada, then I m all for it.
“so we have import fewer hard working white, civilized, western folk”
And where will they come from?
Its not that we don’t want to import them. Its more that they don’t want to come.
And who can blame them? Theres hardly any jobs here, and everything is becoming more expensive (partly due to exchange rates) in relative terms. Why would an Englishman come to Canada when his chances of getting a job are the same as they are in England, but he benefits from cheaper internet, cheaper airfares, better/cheaper connectivity to neighboring nations/rest of the world (its often cheaper to fly from London to NYC than it is from Toronto), and with the lowest taxrate extending to 38,000 GBP.
And if you’re skilled, then Canada’s an even worse bet. A country full of mediocre middle management (look at AIr Canada or Bell or Rogers – completely uncompetitive on a global scale as compared to say, Lufthansa, Deutche Telecom or Vodafone). We’ve traded ambition and hard work for comfort. Problem is, ambitious types aren’t interested in the Canadian dream (read overpriced house in the suburbs of towns).
I suppose you could say the same of any western country.
And to top it off – the high performing educated classes from China and India are also beginning to treat this place as a country of convenience (passport, real estate et al), simply because Canada has nothing to offer to them either (beyond the ‘no Canadian experience’/ we dont recognize your skills nonsense). Now we can’t even count on getting the best of the best from developing countries. Some might slip through, but for the most part, you re not getting the same quality of folks of the caliber who landed in the US in the 70s and 80s (I believe the Indians are the highest earning ethnic demographic, followed by Asians).
FWIW, I dont think you’ve considered the fact that the ones who leave these barbaric areas are the ones who dont like it there. They re not the ones trying to bring it here.
But by all means, if you can convince anyone you consider worthy of Canada to come to Canada, then I m all for it.
“so we have import fewer hard working white, civilized, western folk”
And where will they come from?
Its not that we don’t want to import them. Its more that they don’t want to come.
And who can blame them? Theres hardly any jobs here, and everything is becoming more expensive (partly due to exchange rates) in relative terms. Why would an Englishman come to Canada when his chances of getting a job are the same as they are in England, but he benefits from cheaper internet, cheaper airfares, better/cheaper connectivity to neighboring nations/rest of the world (its often cheaper to fly from London to NYC than it is from Toronto), and with the lowest taxrate extending to 38,000 GBP.
And if you’re skilled, then Canada’s an even worse bet. A country full of mediocre middle management (look at AIr Canada or Bell or Rogers – completely uncompetitive on a global scale as compared to say, Lufthansa, Deutche Telecom or Vodafone). We’ve traded ambition and hard work for comfort. Problem is, ambitious types aren’t interested in the Canadian dream (read overpriced house in the suburbs of towns).
I suppose you could say the same of any western country.
And to top it off – the high performing educated classes from China and India are also beginning to treat this place as a country of convenience (passport, real estate et al), simply because Canada has nothing to offer to them either (beyond the ‘no Canadian experience’/ we dont recognize your skills nonsense). Now we can’t even count on getting the best of the best from developing countries. Some might slip through, but for the most part, you re not getting the same quality of folks of the caliber who landed in the US in the 70s and 80s (I believe the Indians are the highest earning ethnic demographic, followed by Asians).
FWIW, I dont think you’ve considered the fact that the ones who leave these barbaric areas are the ones who dont like it there. They re not the ones trying to bring it here.
But by all means, if you can convince anyone you consider worthy of Canada to come to Canada, then I m all for it.
Apologies for the quadriple post. Internet error – every time I refreshed the Internet Explorer error page, it reposted
dloob776 at February 9, 2012 10:14 PM You don’t live in Canada do you? We have -5% unemployment. Very high paying jobs and a very bright future. Only one thing. The lazy need not apply.
“We have -5% unemployment. Very high paying jobs and a very bright future. Only one thing. The lazy need not apply.”
HA!
Most of the jobs being created are lower paying jobs.
-5% unemployment? Try +7.6 (Statcan, 3 days ago), not far off from the UK at +8.3. Factor in that Canadian experience nonsense, and western immigrants probably have less of a chance getting a job here. Introverted Canadians don’t know any schools outside of LSE, Oxford or Cambridge – and the lot that graduate from there can get whatever job they want in England or around the world. Why would they come here to cough up high taxes and work in an environment thats shown scant innovation (we are increasingly a resource-based economy).
High paying jobs? Ha! You can make a lot more money in the UK or London than you can here for just about any job. Of course, to succeed there, you have to be the best of the best.
Truth is, Canada isn’t bad if your only ambition is to buy a big house in the middle of nowhere. But if you want to make serious money, or have serious ambition, Canada won’t cut it.
Do I live in Canada? Well, if I lived in Europe, it would be 4 or 5am now. How would I go to work the next AM and perform to the ebst of my abilities?
I know 22 year olds with gr. 12 that make 32 per hour. Is that good? I think so. And there is a real shortage of workers here. Like I said the only ones not working here are the lazy.
I think that muslims in Canada should be treated identically to Christians in Saudi Arabia. This would result in far fewer primitive 7th century followers of an epileptic pedophile coming to this country. Hopefully it would result in a lot of them leaving. (I can dream).
Having had dealings with Saudi medical residents and “students” in Canada, I don’t think I’ve ever met a more misogynist group of individuals. They are under the impression that oil money will result in immediate obedience of kaffirs and don’t handle rejection well. The dhimmitude of Canadian universities in accepting “students” from Saudi Arabia is sickening to see.
dloob, have fun in disarmed Britain where the chances of surviving a SHTF scenario is close to 0. I have no interest in living anywhere that I can’t walk around armed and have the freedom to shoot in the countryside. Being in a lightly populated backwater with lots of armed neighbors is where I chose to be right now.
loki, “Being in a lightly populated backwater with lots of armed neighbors is where I chose to be right now.”…
There’s security in recognized toughness and equalizers.
Liki, maybe that was you that I heard shooting the other day. I too prefer a lightly populated backwater.
When the encompassing term “our” is used to define my convictions as “while ours are strands of flaccid noodles” as hokey as that sounds, I say, speak for yourself.
No reply needed or asked for.
Obama says “respect it”
“Having had dealings with Saudi medical residents and “students” in Canada, I don’t think I’ve ever met a more misogynist group of individuals… The dhimmitude of Canadian universities in accepting “students” from Saudi Arabia is sickening to see.”
Saudi students in Nova Scotia are notorious for hanging out in big groups and chatting at the top of their lungs in the university hallways. Female professors trying to teach classes – I’ve heard this first hand – need to find male colleagues to tell them to push off; they simply ignore women.
They are also notorious for cheating. Drives the profs bonkers (the ones who care). I suppose I should be more culturally sensitive.
If they had no oil, the Saudis would be North Korea with better weather.
Black Mamba >
“Saudi students in Nova Scotia are notorious for hanging out in big groups and chatting at the top of their lungs in the university hallways”
Muslim youth are notorious for handing out on Australian beaches in gangs and beating the crap out of white people that stumble on “their turf”.