As a union member, I hope these results hold up and the first thing the SaskParty does if they win is introduce right-to-work legislation and sever the collection of union dues from contracts. I am sick of the blatant politicization (sp?) by the unions and the spending of my union dues towards the NDP and their policies.
You’re absolutely right, Lance!
Rather than Obama, Brad Wall should have given the US ‘jobs speech’ yesterday! (However I think the Sask Party should pick up the pace with regards to cutting loose liquor stores..)
However: do not underestimate the NDP machine. They are ruthless, entitled droves of people keen on arrogating YOUR money. And the NDP have historically been very successful at buying votes. Do NOT NOT NOT take it for granted. Sask people need to work very dilligently to ensure the NDP lose more seats. Get out the vote — volunteer — we *MUST* stop the money-wasting NDP.
There is no reason why a sensible, honest conservative government
should not rule for ever.
Honest men and women will choose good candidates, even if they don’t much like their candidates.
Honest candidates when elected will implement an honest government.
With those numbers the NDP appears to be heading to oblivion. Dwain “The missing Link” Lingenfelter will hightail his butt back to Alberta approximatly 1 hour after the election results are posted.
From (a); However, there were 3,000 fewer people working in August than there were in July.
Hmmm, did the population decrease by 3,000?
maybe they moved to Quebec where a dipper can get some respect.
If only the Sask math worked in Ontario. Useless McSquinty should be polling
I have a good friend who works for Health Services in Saskatchewan. She’s not a big fan of Brad Wall and is pissed that her union is not getting their monetary demands met. I told her that while I have empathy for her & her family, there has to be limits to how much money is paid out to the public sector. Period. The fact that soooooo many people in the public sector are intellectually incapable of understanding this argument is something that is unlikely to ever change. But if a government follows fiscally responsible policies and the majority of the populous supports them, then who cares what the public sector workers think.
Or, possibly, being more ambitious than the rest of the Backward crowd, went to Alberta. Where there’s more work than we can do…
The words sensible & honest never last in government.
The words sensible & honest never last in government.
Posted by: the bear | September 9, 2011 1:18 PM
Case in point:Alberta.
The “Conservatives” have been ruling forever (at least in political time). Albertans have continued to elect them as the conservative choice. The PC left the “sensible” component behind, and are now facing some competition from a grassroots conservative newcomer.
Oh Oh Oh I know this one…..c= major migraine for the dippers. St Jack can’t help them now.
Kate’s dogs ate my homework. May I be excused?
Given the popularity of the Premier and the record of his government compared to the NDP’s dismal history and its idiot leader, one has to wonder where the 26% comes from. Even factoring in diehard union stooges and entitled public servants, this number seems high. Personally I won’t be entirely satisfied until the NDP holds zero seats in the legislature.
However, as Mike in Calgary rightly points out, the NDP election machine is ruthless, relentless and totally unprincipled. The 26% will undoubtedly rise somewhat when the NDP shift into high gear and utilize their tried and true tactic of frightening seniors. As we speak, the socialists are probably churning out thousands of pamphlets to be distributed in nursing homes warning of the “hidden agenda” and unfettered privatization of everything from provincial parks to highway maintenance.
Unfortunately I live in a riding where a large area is made up of those unwilling to work and counting on the government for cradle to grave nannying. I believe the current term for these types is “disenfranchised”. A strong and vibrant economy means absolutely nothing since they choose not to share in its benefits. This would explain why we continue to return an NDP MLA year after year.
lance, well summarized.
@ Robert, one of my daughters is a nurse here in Saskatchewan and while both she and her husband vote Sask Party, she is often conflicted in her mind as to union demands, but does think that the unions should not be involved in politics. I tell her and the others that unions are by nature extensions of Marxist political parties.
Don’t relax though, the NDP is a ‘get out the vote’ machine.
If we all think it’s in the bag and don’t bother voting we could get a very nasty surprise.
It doesn’t matter if you have 75% aproval rating, if your supporters don’t bother voting it means nothing.
Our biggest danger is simply over confidence right now.
Do the coffee shop and water cooler speeches and make sure we don’t flub this.
It aint over till it’s over.
Exactly Stan, contact your incumbant or challenger in your riding and volunteer some time.
John Lewis and Miles: The reason a sensible conservative party cannot rule forever lies in the fact that liberals and socialists, being first and foremost power hungry, insinuate themselves into the governing party and try to take it over, virus-like. Doing so is utterly unprincipled and anti-democratic but lib lefties never believed in truth in advertising or democracy in the first place. They just want power. The same happens with any legitimate NGO which lib-lefties believe they can co-opt for their political agenda. They insinuate themselves into it, turn its apparatus and resources to their political agenda, and then having destroyed its credibility and run it into the ground, move on to the next host/victim. The result is that conservatives have to repeatedly form new parties or organizations in order to leave behind the lib-left rot infesting the old ones.
I said years ago here that “what’s good for Saskatchewan is bad for the NDP”. Success on the provincial level is anathema to the Dippers.
Saskatchewan politics boils down to the percentage of public employee union members. The threshold is 35% to elect the NDP. As this number drops, with an increasing population, the Dippers become more and more irrelevant; because, that inward population influx is NOT of union workers. That’s the Key!
That is why successive NDP governments did absolutely nothing keep people my age from leaving for Alberta when we were ready to work. It was far more important to the NDP to keep the population under 1 million people, than to be a successful province, and keep young people home.
So long as people are moving to, and working in Saskatchewan, the NDP are dead in the water. The question is… at what point will the NDP re-evaluate their policy platforms and ideology, and at what time do they decide to, if ever, expand their tent to those outside union membership.
Personally, I couldn’t care less.
Go Wall Go! Eventually to the PMO BTW!
DrD, I agree with what you said. Leftists believe government is the solution to any problem, real or imagined. Right thinking people realize the folly in that view and are less inclined to devote much of their life to government.
robert W
you spend more time behind enemy lines than anyone I can think of.
Couple of things –
If the Sask Party gets anywhere close to the suggested numbers, they will win all but a couple of the most hard core NDP seats. Can the Saskatchewan press and the unions move some of the vote back to the NDP if Premier Wall hints at ending some Provincial monopolies during the campaign? Is it still too early in his government to do that?
Honest government and honest politicians stay that way if those who elect them take regular time away from Dancing With The Stars and the latest football game to keep up with what’s going on in the world. And let politicians know when they start to veer off course. As some other posters have already said, the socialists get control when they work for it and we don’t.
Other than the Sask Party not being NDP, what’s all that conservative about the Sask Party?
It’s mostly been business as usual in Saskatchewan since they won. I don’t see a lot of right wing initiatives.
However, not being NDP is maybe all it takes in Saskatchewan.
0 = bama
(Obama – COLB) = Palin
“Every Union that dies means more chickens in the pot”
Brad Wall is the best Priemier in the Nation.
All over the province at NDP committee rooms Ouija boards are waiting in vain for messages from St. Jack and Tommy…
NDP meet dustbin.
Looks like the media was right – Jack did unite Canada – under a Conservative banner. Thanks Jack!
Jeff @4:01 business as usual? Less than 5% unemployment and a have Province that is the first time in 70 years. Under the NDP we were a have not province, with no hope.
I think the NDP should remind people how great Tommy Douglas was and that Grant Devine ran a deficit. That’s gotta work. *sarcasm*
On a serious note, the NDP have been losing popularity in Saskatchewan for years. When you consider that Jack Layton was the most popular and successful leader the CCF/NDP has ever had and he couldn’t get a single MP elected in Saskatchewan in 4 elections that tells you they’re done.
I can list At least a dozen other indicators that tell me the NDP are done, but I hate long posts so I’ll leave it at that for now.
A= high commodity prices driving down unemployment.
B= a mediocre party whose policies are almost identical to the previous government’s, except with a dollop of BS resource nationalism screwing over Canadians everywhere.
C= conservative partisan idiots who don’t care about policy and just root for whatever team wears their colors and hates The Bad Guys.
Just tried to calculate SDA’s celebrated Vίtruvius Ve number. But with 13% undecided and 4% “other”:
63+26+13+4 = 106
so I think the poll may be messed up.
I did do the Vίtruvius exercise (which he has applied only to national elections, as far as I know) to post-1945 Ontario elections, and it works very well as a predictor on those.
http://business.financialpost.com/2011/09/07/its-brad-wall-vs-green-all-stars/
Instead of showing my work, I’ll show some of Claudia Cattaneo’s work.
I did post this last night on Reader Tips, but thought it fit here as well.
As a union member, I hope these results hold up and the first thing the SaskParty does if they win is introduce right-to-work legislation and sever the collection of union dues from contracts. I am sick of the blatant politicization (sp?) by the unions and the spending of my union dues towards the NDP and their policies.
You’re absolutely right, Lance!
Rather than Obama, Brad Wall should have given the US ‘jobs speech’ yesterday! (However I think the Sask Party should pick up the pace with regards to cutting loose liquor stores..)
However: do not underestimate the NDP machine. They are ruthless, entitled droves of people keen on arrogating YOUR money. And the NDP have historically been very successful at buying votes. Do NOT NOT NOT take it for granted. Sask people need to work very dilligently to ensure the NDP lose more seats. Get out the vote — volunteer — we *MUST* stop the money-wasting NDP.
There is no reason why a sensible, honest conservative government
should not rule for ever.
Honest men and women will choose good candidates, even if they don’t much like their candidates.
Honest candidates when elected will implement an honest government.
A couple of online Sask election polls:
http://saskpolitics1.blogspot.com/
http://www.620ckrm.com
Please vote.
With those numbers the NDP appears to be heading to oblivion. Dwain “The missing Link” Lingenfelter will hightail his butt back to Alberta approximatly 1 hour after the election results are posted.
From (a);
However, there were 3,000 fewer people working in August than there were in July.
Hmmm, did the population decrease by 3,000?
maybe they moved to Quebec where a dipper can get some respect.
If only the Sask math worked in Ontario. Useless McSquinty should be polling
I have a good friend who works for Health Services in Saskatchewan. She’s not a big fan of Brad Wall and is pissed that her union is not getting their monetary demands met. I told her that while I have empathy for her & her family, there has to be limits to how much money is paid out to the public sector. Period. The fact that soooooo many people in the public sector are intellectually incapable of understanding this argument is something that is unlikely to ever change. But if a government follows fiscally responsible policies and the majority of the populous supports them, then who cares what the public sector workers think.
Or, possibly, being more ambitious than the rest of the Backward crowd, went to Alberta. Where there’s more work than we can do…
The words sensible & honest never last in government.
The words sensible & honest never last in government.
Posted by: the bear | September 9, 2011 1:18 PM
Case in point:Alberta.
The “Conservatives” have been ruling forever (at least in political time). Albertans have continued to elect them as the conservative choice. The PC left the “sensible” component behind, and are now facing some competition from a grassroots conservative newcomer.
Oh Oh Oh I know this one…..c= major migraine for the dippers. St Jack can’t help them now.
Kate’s dogs ate my homework. May I be excused?
Given the popularity of the Premier and the record of his government compared to the NDP’s dismal history and its idiot leader, one has to wonder where the 26% comes from. Even factoring in diehard union stooges and entitled public servants, this number seems high. Personally I won’t be entirely satisfied until the NDP holds zero seats in the legislature.
However, as Mike in Calgary rightly points out, the NDP election machine is ruthless, relentless and totally unprincipled. The 26% will undoubtedly rise somewhat when the NDP shift into high gear and utilize their tried and true tactic of frightening seniors. As we speak, the socialists are probably churning out thousands of pamphlets to be distributed in nursing homes warning of the “hidden agenda” and unfettered privatization of everything from provincial parks to highway maintenance.
Unfortunately I live in a riding where a large area is made up of those unwilling to work and counting on the government for cradle to grave nannying. I believe the current term for these types is “disenfranchised”. A strong and vibrant economy means absolutely nothing since they choose not to share in its benefits. This would explain why we continue to return an NDP MLA year after year.
lance, well summarized.
@ Robert, one of my daughters is a nurse here in Saskatchewan and while both she and her husband vote Sask Party, she is often conflicted in her mind as to union demands, but does think that the unions should not be involved in politics. I tell her and the others that unions are by nature extensions of Marxist political parties.
Don’t relax though, the NDP is a ‘get out the vote’ machine.
If we all think it’s in the bag and don’t bother voting we could get a very nasty surprise.
It doesn’t matter if you have 75% aproval rating, if your supporters don’t bother voting it means nothing.
Our biggest danger is simply over confidence right now.
Do the coffee shop and water cooler speeches and make sure we don’t flub this.
It aint over till it’s over.
Exactly Stan, contact your incumbant or challenger in your riding and volunteer some time.
John Lewis and Miles: The reason a sensible conservative party cannot rule forever lies in the fact that liberals and socialists, being first and foremost power hungry, insinuate themselves into the governing party and try to take it over, virus-like. Doing so is utterly unprincipled and anti-democratic but lib lefties never believed in truth in advertising or democracy in the first place. They just want power. The same happens with any legitimate NGO which lib-lefties believe they can co-opt for their political agenda. They insinuate themselves into it, turn its apparatus and resources to their political agenda, and then having destroyed its credibility and run it into the ground, move on to the next host/victim. The result is that conservatives have to repeatedly form new parties or organizations in order to leave behind the lib-left rot infesting the old ones.
I said years ago here that “what’s good for Saskatchewan is bad for the NDP”. Success on the provincial level is anathema to the Dippers.
Saskatchewan politics boils down to the percentage of public employee union members. The threshold is 35% to elect the NDP. As this number drops, with an increasing population, the Dippers become more and more irrelevant; because, that inward population influx is NOT of union workers. That’s the Key!
That is why successive NDP governments did absolutely nothing keep people my age from leaving for Alberta when we were ready to work. It was far more important to the NDP to keep the population under 1 million people, than to be a successful province, and keep young people home.
So long as people are moving to, and working in Saskatchewan, the NDP are dead in the water. The question is… at what point will the NDP re-evaluate their policy platforms and ideology, and at what time do they decide to, if ever, expand their tent to those outside union membership.
Personally, I couldn’t care less.
Go Wall Go! Eventually to the PMO BTW!
DrD, I agree with what you said. Leftists believe government is the solution to any problem, real or imagined. Right thinking people realize the folly in that view and are less inclined to devote much of their life to government.
robert W
you spend more time behind enemy lines than anyone I can think of.
Couple of things –
If the Sask Party gets anywhere close to the suggested numbers, they will win all but a couple of the most hard core NDP seats. Can the Saskatchewan press and the unions move some of the vote back to the NDP if Premier Wall hints at ending some Provincial monopolies during the campaign? Is it still too early in his government to do that?
Honest government and honest politicians stay that way if those who elect them take regular time away from Dancing With The Stars and the latest football game to keep up with what’s going on in the world. And let politicians know when they start to veer off course. As some other posters have already said, the socialists get control when they work for it and we don’t.
Other than the Sask Party not being NDP, what’s all that conservative about the Sask Party?
It’s mostly been business as usual in Saskatchewan since they won. I don’t see a lot of right wing initiatives.
However, not being NDP is maybe all it takes in Saskatchewan.
0 = bama
(Obama – COLB) = Palin
“Every Union that dies means more chickens in the pot”
Brad Wall is the best Priemier in the Nation.
All over the province at NDP committee rooms Ouija boards are waiting in vain for messages from St. Jack and Tommy…
NDP meet dustbin.
Looks like the media was right – Jack did unite Canada – under a Conservative banner. Thanks Jack!
Jeff @4:01 business as usual? Less than 5% unemployment and a have Province that is the first time in 70 years. Under the NDP we were a have not province, with no hope.
I think the NDP should remind people how great Tommy Douglas was and that Grant Devine ran a deficit. That’s gotta work. *sarcasm*
On a serious note, the NDP have been losing popularity in Saskatchewan for years. When you consider that Jack Layton was the most popular and successful leader the CCF/NDP has ever had and he couldn’t get a single MP elected in Saskatchewan in 4 elections that tells you they’re done.
I can list At least a dozen other indicators that tell me the NDP are done, but I hate long posts so I’ll leave it at that for now.
A= high commodity prices driving down unemployment.
B= a mediocre party whose policies are almost identical to the previous government’s, except with a dollop of BS resource nationalism screwing over Canadians everywhere.
C= conservative partisan idiots who don’t care about policy and just root for whatever team wears their colors and hates The Bad Guys.
Just tried to calculate SDA’s celebrated Vίtruvius Ve number. But with 13% undecided and 4% “other”:
63+26+13+4 = 106
so I think the poll may be messed up.
I did do the Vίtruvius exercise (which he has applied only to national elections, as far as I know) to post-1945 Ontario elections, and it works very well as a predictor on those.